Solving a ROR traffic conflict

[Scott5114]

[michravera]

IMHO, a red light does the job just fine.  If people don't yield when facing a red light, then they're not going to yield when facing that sign either.

I'll have to agree. When such a sign would be necessary, it would be insufficient. If there isn't space for two lanes, the right on red must yield. If there is space for two lanes, a few wedges to encourage people to stay in their lanes for 10 or 20 meters would be well placed.

[pderocco]

I feel the sign is too wordy. So, I offer this marginally better alternative:

Too easily interpreted as No Right Turn at all.

(Edited because I failed directions in Kindergarden)

It's amazing how often at this intersection:

https://goo.gl/maps/Qrs6aoEbspB2eXcYA

people sit there for the duration of a very long red light, annoyed by the honking, because they don't notice the TO PCH (Pacific Coast Highway) tag.

[tradephoric]

How do you address the scenario where a driver is turning right on a green arrow and the opposing traffic is turning left on a green ball?  I come across this scenario in a few locations and it's not very intuitive on what to do.  Drivers just kind of pull off a "zipper" merge and look for a gap when it presents itself.  Here's a streetview example.  If you turn the camera 180 degrees you see the opposing direction has a green ball to turn left. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5822038,-83.243674,3a,60y,238.62h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stXC7tSD9s_uqJ4bc6tjvLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

EDIT:  There are much busier locations where this happens, but this is an example where you can see that both sides have a green.

[wanderer2575]

How do you address the scenario where a driver is turning right on a green arrow and the opposing traffic is turning left on a green ball?  I come across this scenario in a few locations and it's not very intuitive on what to do.  Drivers just kind of pull off a "zipper" merge and look for a gap when it presents itself.  Here's a streetview example.  If you turn the camera 180 degrees you see the opposing direction has a green ball to turn left. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5822038,-83.243674,3a,60y,238.62h,98.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stXC7tSD9s_uqJ4bc6tjvLw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

EDIT:  There are much busier locations where this happens, but this is an example where you can see that both sides have a green.

Both directions have a green light, so the left turn yields to the right turn.  That the green in one direction is an arrow is irrelevant; the arrow means only that you must turn and cannot proceed straight ahead.

[tradephoric]

^It just feels awkward sometimes as the left turning traffic is the heavier movement... yet the dual-lane left turning traffic has to yield to the stragglers exiting the single-lane side-street.

[wanderer2575]

^  Here's a real hoot near both of us.  I call it the Horn Honk Ballet, especially during rush hours.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mn2V41T15uvEuWzD8

[webny99]

^  Here's a real hoot near both of us.  I call it the Horn Honk Ballet, especially during rush hours.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mn2V41T15uvEuWzD8

Why does everyone seem to be avoiding the right lane(s)? If I was the Glassman minivan I'd just pick an open lane and figure it out after completing the turn.

[wanderer2575]

^  Here's a real hoot near both of us.  I call it the Horn Honk Ballet, especially during rush hours.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mn2V41T15uvEuWzD8

Why does everyone seem to be avoiding the right lane(s)? If I was the Glassman minivan I'd just pick an open lane and figure it out after completing the turn.

Not if you want to make a U-turn to southbound US-24.

[interstatefan990]

^  Here's a real hoot near both of us.  I call it the Horn Honk Ballet, especially during rush hours.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mn2V41T15uvEuWzD8

That intersection is in some serious need of painted stop lines. Also, "Turn Right Only"? And I'm not familiar with the law in Michigan, but would this qualify for Left Turn on Red? Since it technically could be considered a one way street turning onto a one way street. That's just a whole other deal that further complicates things.

[1995hoo]

This thread prompts me to think of the "Right Turn on Red Must Yield to U-Turn" sign seen in the Street View link below. That would be the rule anyway, of course, because the U-turn traffic has a green arrow while the right-on-red traffic has a red light, but I guess there have been enough problems that VDOT felt the need to reinforce it. That intersection has more U-turns than the typical one because of the neighborhood visible in the background in the Street View image across Telegraph Road. A median barrier on Telegraph prevents them from turning left out of their neighborhood, so they have to go right and then make a U-turn (the neighborhood has only that one entrance/exit).

https://goo.gl/maps/j6VYyV4BYLW9ugtR7

[GaryV]

^  Here's a real hoot near both of us.  I call it the Horn Honk Ballet, especially during rush hours.
https://goo.gl/maps/Mn2V41T15uvEuWzD8

That intersection is in some serious need of painted stop lines.

Ehh, they just wore away and didn't get repainted. Happens in a lot of places.

Also, "Turn Right Only"?

Yes, because you can't go straight through into the Michigan Left crossover.

And I'm not familiar with the law in Michigan, but would this qualify for Left Turn on Red? Since it technically could be considered a one way street turning onto a one way street. That's just a whole other deal that further complicates things.

Yes, it qualifies for LTOR, as do most Michigan Left crossovers.

[interstatefan990]

Ehh, they just wore away and didn't get repainted. Happens in a lot of places.

True, but if I had to pick an intersection which deserves a repainting, it would be this one.

Yes, because you can't go straight through into the Michigan Left crossover.

I was referring to the sign itself. I'm used to seeing "RIGHT TURN ONLY", not "TURN RIGHT ONLY".