Department of Redundancy Department

[CNGL-Leudimin]

One from Spain. Two arrows and a big white sign, and if even then you don't know how to get to Ihabar... pic from Street View

Your funny typo reminds me of this:

I've always wondered where that happened.

[jeffandnicole]

Your funny typo reminds me of this:

I've always wondered where that happened.

On someone's computer via photo-modification software.

[MNHighwayMan]

I've always wondered where that happened.

On someone's computer via photo-modification software.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was originally just the two no left/right turn signs (something I can imagine a real, but lazy contractor actually doing!), then someone decided to photoshop in the straight arrow signs. Notice how the bolt heads holding those signs don't line up with the slight left-leaning angle of the post.

[hotdogPi]

To I-85 and redundant "do not block intersection", Atlanta by <name removed>, on Flickr

"Don't block the box" and "Do not block intersection" mean the same thing.

[formulanone]

To I-85 and redundant "do not block intersection", Atlanta by <name removed>, on Flickr

"Don't block the box" and "Do not block intersection" mean the same thing.

There are a lot of places where the box (or other pattern) isn't painted on the road, so I suppose they used it to illustrate where not to stop.

I think the various "don't block the box" signs are not MUTCD-compliant, since I've seen a fair bit of variation on the idea.

[roadfro]

I think the various "don't block the box" signs are not MUTCD-compliant, since I've seen a fair bit of variation on the idea.

"Don't block the box" are not in the MUTCD at all. If such signs have anything more than a word message, then they're technically not MUTCD compliant.

[jeffandnicole]

I think the various "don't block the box" signs are not MUTCD-compliant, since I've seen a fair bit of variation on the idea.

"Don't block the box" are not in the MUTCD at all. If such signs have anything more than a word message, then they're technically not MUTCD compliant.

How is that different than a "No Turn on Red (Japan)" sign (R10-11), "Left Turn Yield On Green (Green dot)" (R10-12), Turning Vehicles (Yield) to (Pedestrian) (R10-15), among others, which incorporates both words and symbol, and are contained within the MUTCD?

[roadfro]

I think the various "don't block the box" signs are not MUTCD-compliant, since I've seen a fair bit of variation on the idea.

"Don't block the box" are not in the MUTCD at all. If such signs have anything more than a word message, then they're technically not MUTCD compliant.

How is that different than a "No Turn on Red (Japan)" sign (R10-11), "Left Turn Yield On Green (Green dot)" (R10-12), Turning Vehicles (Yield) to (Pedestrian) (R10-15), among others, which incorporates both words and symbol, and are contained within the MUTCD?

All the signs you mention are standard signs found in the MUTCD that combine text and standard symbol(s). MUTCD 2A.06 allows the use non-standard word message signs for situations that are not already covered by a standard sign–however, symbols or images not already found within the manual cannot be used unless the agency is undergoing the official experimentation process.

So the image of the intersection with box in the "don't block the box" example originally quoted is not MUTCD compliant on the grounds that "do not block intersection" is already an MUTCD standard sign that conveys the same message. In the context of this conversation, the "don't block the box" sign also fails MUTCD compliance because it uses a symbol/image not found in the MUTCD (unless an official experimentation is in effect for that sign and graphic).

[jakeroot]

Just west of Roosevelt, UT.

I thought this was pretty normal in Washington, but from looking over Google Maps, all I can find is one of four things:

- Street name instead of highway shield or number: http://bit.ly/2GCYj6p
- Highway shield with or without cardinal directions: http://bit.ly/2ItW71H -- & -- http://bit.ly/2GEABXM
- Highway number written out: http://bit.ly/2GCYj6p

But I can't find any examples of both being written out. So nice find!

EDIT: links were broken by Google...dickheads...

[US 89]

I thought this was pretty normal in Washington, but from looking over Google Maps, all I can find is one of four things:

- Street name instead of highway shield or number: https://goo.gl/PhHhnc
- Highway shield with or without cardinal directions: https://goo.gl/53BnPH -- & -- https://goo.gl/tDRpZf
- Highway number written out: https://goo.gl/9vqmxp

But I can't find any examples of both being written out. So nice find!

FYI, Google says they disabled your links because they violated the terms of service...

Utah mostly follows your examples above, although I've never seen a route shield by itself without a street name or cardinal direction, and if there's a street name the most common thing is to put both the highway shield and street name on the sign.

That said, here's another one on US-6 in Spanish Fork. I've also seen it done in New Mexico, as this picture from Bernalillo shows:

[jakeroot]

I thought this was pretty normal in Washington, but from looking over Google Maps, all I can find is one of four things:

- Street name instead of highway shield or number: https://goo.gl/PhHhnc
- Highway shield with or without cardinal directions: https://goo.gl/53BnPH -- & -- https://goo.gl/tDRpZf
- Highway number written out: https://goo.gl/9vqmxp

But I can't find any examples of both being written out. So nice find!

FYI, Google says they disabled your links because they violated the terms of service...

That's odd. I've shortened almost 900 links with goo.gl. No idea why they'd suddenly pull this crap. I've submitted the links for review.

In the mean time, here's some new links (in the order originally listed):

http://bit.ly/2GCYj6p
http://bit.ly/2ItW71H
http://bit.ly/2GEABXM
http://bit.ly/2GCYj6p

Utah mostly follows your examples above, although I've never seen a route shield by itself without a street name or cardinal direction, and if there's a street name the most common thing is to put both the highway shield and street name on the sign.

They're pretty rare, to be honest. The example above is from Spokane, and I think another example exists somewhere northeast of Seattle along Hwy 9, but I can't remember where.

[jakeroot]

I saw this sign from Australia while watching a vehicle review. Seems awfully redundant...


image from hobbiesplus.com.au

[index]

I'll leave this here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117225,-80.1392297,3a,37y,267.97h,90.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLeKU0fPFQGuvxEiLfsocXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117025,-80.1397938,3a,90y,268.22h,91.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSPDmoCV-a6aO9Iwso847Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

17 individual indications that a sharp 90 degree turn is ahead (one of them being some of those thin plastic bollard thingies that get knocked over all the time). 7 of them are diamond warning signs, and two have beacons. Looking back at historic street view, they increased in numbers over the years. Did people keep crashing or something??

[jakeroot]

I'll leave this here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117225,-80.1392297,3a,37y,267.97h,90.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLeKU0fPFQGuvxEiLfsocXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117025,-80.1397938,3a,90y,268.22h,91.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSPDmoCV-a6aO9Iwso847Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

17 individual indications that a sharp 90 degree turn is ahead (one of them being some of those thin plastic bollard thingies that get knocked over all the time). 7 of them are diamond warning signs, and two have beacons. Looking back at historic street view, they increased in numbers over the years. Did people keep crashing or something??

Jesus! They ought to consider more than just signs, like maybe some rumble strips. I have definitely never seen an approach to a sharp turn with that many warning signs. I don't even think a sharp turn on a freeway would have that many.

Now, if we're talking about the W1-8 signs (the chevrons), it's quite common for those to be used every meter or two. They are meant to indicate roadway alignment, hence the name "roadway alignment chevron" (or something along those lines).

[cjk374]

I'll leave this here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117225,-80.1392297,3a,37y,267.97h,90.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLeKU0fPFQGuvxEiLfsocXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0117025,-80.1397938,3a,90y,268.22h,91.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSPDmoCV-a6aO9Iwso847Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

17 individual indications that a sharp 90 degree turn is ahead (one of them being some of those thin plastic bollard thingies that get knocked over all the time). 7 of them are diamond warning signs, and two have beacons. Looking back at historic street view, they increased in numbers over the years. Did people keep crashing or something??

Jesus! They ought to consider more than just signs, like maybe some rumble strips. I have definitely never seen an approach to a sharp turn with that many warning signs. I don't even think a sharp turn on a freeway would have that many.

Now, if we're talking about the W1-8 signs (the chevrons), it's quite common for those to be used every meter or two. They are meant to indicate roadway alignment, hence the name "roadway alignment chevron" (or something along those lines).

Maybe the signs were on sale?   

[webny99]

They ought to consider more than just signs, like maybe some rumble strips. I have definitely never seen an approach to a sharp turn with that many warning signs. I don't even think a sharp turn on a freeway would have that many.

That may be true, but all 17 could easily fit inside this monstrosity 

[hotdogPi]

Methuen, MA

[MCRoads]

They ought to consider more than just signs, like maybe some rumble strips. I have definitely never seen an approach to a sharp turn with that many warning signs. I don't even think a sharp turn on a freeway would have that many.

That may be true, but all 17 could easily fit inside this monstrosity 

There are several of these in cleavland, but... my eyes... so big, and yellow, and that arrow is ugly... it looks like it was drawn on MS paint! I drew signs on MS Paint and they weren't that bad!

[jflick99]

Riverside, MO

[SectorZ]

Methuen, MA

Walmart. Nuff said.

[ErmineNotyours]

It's a pedestrian sign at Coleman ferry dock in Seattle, but the ferries are operated by the Washington State Department of Transportation, so it's sort-of road related.

Department of Redundancy Department by Arthur Allen, on Flickr

[akotchi]

From Lawrenceville, NJ, comes this one.

Princeton Pike southbound at the ramp to I-295 SB (Exit 68).  The route marker in the background is the new change reflecting I-295 now replacing I-95 to the Delaware River -- it was I-95 NB, at least for one more exit to the east.  The route marker in the foreground is left over from the former signing to reflect that I-295 SB had started not far from this location.  It was supposed to be removed, but its continued presence is not an issue.

[thefraze_1020]

I thought this was pretty normal in Washington, but from looking over Google Maps, all I can find is one of four things:

- Street name instead of highway shield or number: https://goo.gl/PhHhnc
- Highway shield with or without cardinal directions: https://goo.gl/53BnPH -- & -- https://goo.gl/tDRpZf
- Highway number written out: https://goo.gl/9vqmxp

But I can't find any examples of both being written out. So nice find!

FYI, Google says they disabled your links because they violated the terms of service...

Utah mostly follows your examples above, although I've never seen a route shield by itself without a street name or cardinal direction, and if there's a street name the most common thing is to put both the highway shield and street name on the sign.

That said, here's another one on US-6 in Spanish Fork. I've also seen it done in New Mexico, as this picture from Bernalillo shows:

Another example of this. In Toppenish, WA.

IMG_8883 by Cameron Frazer, on Flickr

[sbeaver44]

Ah yes. the venerable towns of West and East.

Nexus 6P

[wanderer2575]

This one's long gone, as there no longer is a BL US-12 in Niles.