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US Routes Old alignment far from New Alignment

Started by Avalanchez71, May 07, 2019, 03:18:21 PM

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Avalanchez71

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.

I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?


Mapmikey

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Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 15, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.

I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?


Not technically.  Route designation ends a half mile before the road ends at a former bridge location over a creek (which US 70 used to cross before ending at another street).

https://goo.gl/maps/sLh4fDte9bfCHBnc8

US 1 and US 80 technically don't dead end (though US 80 may have in the far past).

US 64 east end used to be a true dead end.  US 21 south used to end at a parking area at the beach.

US 74, US 76, and US 421 endpoints in North Carolina are all dead ends.

Flint1979

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 15, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.

I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?
Do these actually dead end with no outlet other than US-41? I know where US-41's northern terminus is at.

hotdogPi

US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus
US 13, 44, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 117, 119, 126, 141, 159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25

dfilpus

Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.

TheHighwayMan3561

I am certainly aware of 1 not being a true dead end, but it's the same principle as a Long Island route would be.
self-certified as the dumbest person on this board for 5 years running

Flint1979

Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
Looking at the southern terminus I would indeed call that a dead end. US-421 doesn't pick up on the other side of the ferry and looks like it just dead ends in a parking area for the ferry. I was looking for a BEGIN US-421 sign and found it. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9595838,-77.9408105,3a,15y,115.66h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6OYStPsWXU-mKU9T1gxgvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And it's right across the street from this sign
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9596202,-77.9406727,3a,19.7y,299.82h,82.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKIPuf9kpmZKnlRX13vi_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

So yep US-421 dead ends.

Flint1979

Quote from: dfilpus on May 15, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.
So NC-211 crosses on the ferry and then ends at US-421? That's how I'm gathering it.

dfilpus

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 15, 2019, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on May 15, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.
So NC-211 crosses on the ferry and then ends at US-421? That's how I'm gathering it.
The extension of NC 211 across the ferry happened in 2013. AFAIK, it is not signed past the gate to the ferry terminal on the Southport side or on the Fort Fisher side. https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2013_06_06.pdf

webny99

Quote from: 1 on May 12, 2019, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
New York definitely is hostile to US routes. Compare it to any other state of similar size (suggested: IL, OH, PA). The only long US routes in New York are the three you mentioned and arguably 9W.

Uh, yeah, agreed. New York and PA are night and day in this regard.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 12, 2019, 10:14:29 AM
Did NY even have that many to begin with? The only one I can think of that they actually made an effort to remove was US 15. Certainly not like the states west of the Mississippi that relocated/eliminated aggressively.
EDIT: US 220 does not count.

Don't forget US 104.

Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.

hotdogPi

Quote from: webny99 on May 15, 2019, 09:34:26 PM
Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.

Given that U.S. Route 404 on Wikipedia is a red link (not even a redirect), it almost certainly never existed.
Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus
US 13, 44, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 117, 119, 126, 141, 159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25

webny99

Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 15, 2019, 09:34:26 PM
Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.
Given that U.S. Route 404 on Wikipedia is a red link (not even a redirect), it almost certainly never existed.

You'd think it existed now if you drove the length of NY 404. Some of the US shields have been replaced, but there are still a number of them.

Flint1979

Use to be part of US-104 not 404 and it never connected to US-4.



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