State route BGS shields that don't match standalone shields

[ekt8750]

Jersey puts all of its BGS shields on backdrops (except interstates) and that includes county roads which are on gold backdrops. Standalones are of the cutout variety.

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I live though. I mentioned backgrounds being added where there aren't usually backgrounds

[DaBigE]

Wisconsin's STH BGS shield is different then the standalone version, it is more rounded and has slightly different aspect ratio.

The BGS shield is also the only place you'll find the shape change (widen) for a three-digit highway in Wisconsin.

[Kacie Jane]

Jersey puts all of its BGS shields on backdrops (except interstates) and that includes county roads which are on gold backdrops. Standalones are of the cutout variety.

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I live though. I mentioned backgrounds being added where there aren't usually backgrounds

To be fair, I think New Jersey is a different animal. NE2's comment was about using cutouts on the BGS and black square backgrounds for independent mounts, which basically all 49 other states do.  Ekt is posting about NJ doing the opposite for county routes, using cutouts for independent mounts, but including a yellow square on BGSs.

That said, if memory serves, this practice is inconsistent at best.

[odditude]

Jersey puts all of its BGS shields on backdrops (except interstates) and that includes county roads which are on gold backdrops. Standalones are of the cutout variety.

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I live though. I mentioned backgrounds being added where there aren't usually backgrounds

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Tempting fate here, but NJ does something interesting with county routes. It's been beaten to death that NJ doesn't (usually) use cutouts for state or US routes, but they also *add* a yellow-orange background to the county route shield.

...so that was already covered a week ago, too.

[roadman65]

Of course there is Texas with totally different shields on BGSes than on stand alone shields for TX FM routes.  The freeway signs get a square while the stand alone signs get a Texas outline.

[NE2]

Of course there is Texas with totally different shields on BGSes than on stand alone shields for TX FM routes.  The freeway signs get a square

Not usually, unless the number is the perfect width.

[roadman65]

Of course there is Texas with totally different shields on BGSes than on stand alone shields for TX FM routes.  The freeway signs get a square

Not usually, unless the number is the perfect width.

Yes, I stand corrected some of those 3 digits and especially the 4 digit routes do get the rectangle just like in NJ, DE, and KY where anything more than 2 digits gets an oval instead of the circle.

Anyway, the guide signs do not even come close to the actual shield design itself.  At least with neutered or non neutered shields at least keeps the same design, which is the difference, in lets say RI and MD, between the stand alone shields and the BGS shields.

[thenetwork]

I know it has been mentioned, but Ontario has probably the most dramatic difference between route route shields on BGS vs standalone shields:

Not to mention, Trailblazer shields for at least the 400-series freeways are white-on-green shields :



I am also surprised that no one has yet to mention California's BGSs which usually use a neutered outline of the California spade, while the ground-mounted shields are white-on-green and state named.

[roadman65]

I never understood the difference of the crowns on Ontario's highways.  It is just like Puerto Rico and the the different colors of their shields on the one's that would be state highways if it were a state.  Some are black on white and some are white on blue.  I know there the circle gets used for secondary roads and the county like gold on blue shields are regional roads on that island.  However, I do not know what each means in Ontario.

[Pink Jazz]

I never understood the difference of the crowns on Ontario's highways.  It is just like Puerto Rico and the the different colors of their shields on the one's that would be state highways if it were a state.  Some are black on white and some are white on blue.  I know there the circle gets used for secondary roads and the county like gold on blue shields are regional roads on that island.  However, I do not know what each means in Ontario.

Puerto Rico used to use semicircular signs with a silhouette of the island on standalone shields, while BGS shields were circular.  With the 1999 shield redesign indicating the class of route (primary, urban primary, secondary, and tertiary), newer BGS now typically have the same type of shields as standalone shields, although there still exists some older signage with circular shields on BGS for primary, urban primary, and secondary routes.

And actually, the county style pentagon shields are used for secondary routes while circular shields are used for tertiary routes.  Seems counterintuitive for statesiders, but that is actually the way it is in Puerto Rico.  White on blue shields are primary highways, while the same design except in black on white are urban primary routes and are typically mostly found in the urban areas of the island (San Juan metro area, Ponce, Mayaguez, Arecibo, and Aguadilla).

[roadman65]

I remember back in 1976 when I was there as a kid the circle was used for all highways even PR 26 which was an arterial back then known as Baldiority de Castro Avenue and not Expressway as it is now.  Then again that was when Puerto Rico used NJ style signal practices at intersections with the back to back signal heads on two separate mast arms.  Now they seemed to adopted Florida's practice of all black signal heads 12-12-12 where they used to be yellow 12-8-8 or green signal heads.   The island seemed to have done a major shield and signal change since then.

[bulldog1979]

A couple of comments related to other things said earlier:

Wisconsin's county markers are different between independent mount and BGS usage. The BGS version lacks the word "County" and the distinctive black border. Instead, it's just a square with the letters.

Michigan also uses the gold background behind pentagons on BGS. I seem to recall seeing a white background behind off-Interstate business route markers as well, but I think it was only in one location.

[jbnv]

I'm surprised that the Louisiana people completely missed the main difference between BGS shields and standalone shields. Newer standalone shields have a properly-proportioned outline of the state. BGSs have a distorted outline of the state with a flatter coastline. Personally, I think they should just make a standard cutout with a flat coastline for the BGSs. (Thought I had a mockup saved but apparently not.)

[SignGeek101]

I never understood the difference of the crowns on Ontario's highways.  I do not know what each means in Ontario.

Well, as far as I know there are non-cut outs and cutouts, but they mean the same thing. The non-cut outs seem to be mostly at junctions:

http://goo.gl/maps/clt4a (this one is a classic, old Ontario font)

http://goo.gl/maps/Y1Ima (again, an old shield, next to an Ontario Secondary route shield.

Then... there's this. Don't really know what to think. Clearview, a non-cut out, cutout shield... the city of Sault Ste Marie.

http://goo.gl/maps/ishHa

But cutouts are standard and trailblazer signs posted along a highway:

http://goo.gl/maps/ZNAro

http://goo.gl/maps/ikQGM

Green shields are for TO routes, though I'm not a fan because the word TO is difficult to read.

http://goo.gl/maps/Osdt5 (very old non-cut out with old Ontario font, but cut-outs exist I believe).

On a BGS: http://goo.gl/maps/Y9Kp5

For BGSes, the standard is "the wide crown".

[cjk374]

I'm surprised that the Louisiana people completely missed the main difference between BGS shields and standalone shields. Newer standalone shields have a properly-proportioned outline of the state. BGSs have a distorted outline of the state with a flatter coastline. Personally, I think they should just make a standard cutout with a flat coastline for the BGSs. (Thought I had a mockup saved but apparently not.)

Some of our BGSs have some fairly decent shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.547949,-92.776554,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQh9aSf6H5fBz7A2shnIvbw!2e0

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.34962,-89.91523,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdVDyqKQBG3ZuCjhDyu7k0A!2e0

And then we have our not-so-great shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.566689,-92.92513,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDkSL8lXbc-7L298afLDZ7A!2e0

[bassoon1986]

I'm surprised that the Louisiana people completely missed the main difference between BGS shields and standalone shields. Newer standalone shields have a properly-proportioned outline of the state. BGSs have a distorted outline of the state with a flatter coastline. Personally, I think they should just make a standard cutout with a flat coastline for the BGSs. (Thought I had a mockup saved but apparently not.)

Some of our BGSs have some fairly decent shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.547949,-92.776554,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQh9aSf6H5fBz7A2shnIvbw!2e0

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.34962,-89.91523,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdVDyqKQBG3ZuCjhDyu7k0A!2e0

And then we have our not-so-great shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.566689,-92.92513,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDkSL8lXbc-7L298afLDZ7A!2e0

There are a couple of really old-style Louisiana shields on BGS's on I-10 near Gonzales:
https://goo.gl/maps/pOKHX

They're very narrow

[bzakharin]

Jersey puts all of its BGS shields on backdrops (except interstates) and that includes county roads which are on gold backdrops. Standalones are of the cutout variety.

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I live though. I mentioned backgrounds being added where there aren't usually backgrounds

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

Tempting fate here, but NJ does something interesting with county routes. It's been beaten to death that NJ doesn't (usually) use cutouts for state or US routes, but they also *add* a yellow-orange background to the county route shield.

...so that was already covered a week ago, too.

What nobody mentioned is that county names are not included on BGSs, which is significant for the 600+ series which can repeat from county to county sometimes not far from each other (see CR 644 in Gloucester County vs CR 644 in Camden County).

[kphoger]

Of course there is Texas with totally different shields on BGSes than on stand alone shields for TX FM routes.  The freeway signs get a square

Not usually, unless the number is the perfect width.

Yes, I stand corrected some of those 3 digits and especially the 4 digit routes do get the rectangle just like in NJ, DE, and KY where anything more than 2 digits gets an oval instead of the circle.

Anyway, the guide signs do not even come close to the actual shield design itself.  At least with neutered or non neutered shields at least keeps the same design, which is the difference, in lets say RI and MD, between the stand alone shields and the BGS shields.

I've seen a rectangular blank used on an overhead BGS for a two-digit FM number before, though I can't remember precisely where. Somewhere on I-35 southbound north of Hillsboro, I'm pretty sure. I don't think I've ever seen it for a 1dsr, though.

[cjk374]

I'm surprised that the Louisiana people completely missed the main difference between BGS shields and standalone shields. Newer standalone shields have a properly-proportioned outline of the state. BGSs have a distorted outline of the state with a flatter coastline. Personally, I think they should just make a standard cutout with a flat coastline for the BGSs. (Thought I had a mockup saved but apparently not.)

Some of our BGSs have some fairly decent shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.547949,-92.776554,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQh9aSf6H5fBz7A2shnIvbw!2e0

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.34962,-89.91523,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdVDyqKQBG3ZuCjhDyu7k0A!2e0

And then we have our not-so-great shields:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.566689,-92.92513,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDkSL8lXbc-7L298afLDZ7A!2e0

There are a couple of really old-style Louisiana shields on BGS's on I-10 near Gonzales:
https://goo.gl/maps/pOKHX

They're very narrow

But then you have one of 5 of these classics left in the entire field known as Louisiana...specifically northwest LA:  http://www.instantstreetview.com/@32.519841,-93.708079,-148.9h,-3.4p,1z

Links to the other 4 can be found here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.msg2035505#msg2035505

[TEG24601]

The only real difference in Washington, that I recall, is that on the BGSes, the route shield is a cut out, but is on a black background when stand alone...

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

I'll just leave this here.

It was more of a test... plus, it was really the font inconsistencies that were my point, but too lengthy to say here.


Also, I do recall seeing the name on Indiana's BGSs but that seems relatively new, like since the new speed limits too hold.

[Brandon]

The only real difference in Washington, that I recall, is that on the BGSes, the route shield is a cut out, but is on a black background when stand alone...

I'll shoot anyone who mentions the background being removed on guide signs.

I'll just leave this here.

It was more of a test... plus, it was really the font inconsistencies that were my point, but too lengthy to say here.


Also, I do recall seeing the name on Indiana's BGSs but that seems relatively new, like since the new speed limits too hold.

Indiana, like Illinois, uses the state name on the state route bgs shields 99.99% of the time, and has for decades.