Route 86S and Route 195 statuses

TheStranger · March 09, 2012, 10:43:23 PM

After posting some photos from today at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6302.0 -

I remember reading at CAHighways that Route 195 was to be decommissioned once the Route 86S expressway was finished. Yet, off of 86S, is this:

Does this mean that 195 will continue to be signed (status quo) for the immediate future? Also, I wonder when/if 86 will be moved off of old US 99 between Indio and Thermal and onto the 86S expressway, I had also thought that was the original plan.

agentsteel53 · March 09, 2012, 11:02:08 PM

that might be the only 195 shield. I had remembered maybe two surviving paddles as of 2007.

I think it is a fluke, like the 114 signing on 101 in the bay area.

Takumi · March 09, 2012, 11:05:38 PM

And the VA 305 shields in Virginia Beach, which haven't been accurate since 1960.

TheStranger · March 10, 2012, 12:38:24 AM

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 09, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
that might be the only 195 shield. I had remembered maybe two surviving paddles as of 2007.

I think it is a fluke, like the 114 signing on 101 in the bay area.

Hmm. Normally I'd agree, but the recent expansion (over a 10 year period) of Route 262 signage intrigues me - that went from being a completely unsigned route to mentioned off of 680's ramps ca. 2001 or so, then now prominently noted on the 680 toll/carpool lanes.

I also recall Route 77 got some signage recently too.

Quillz · March 11, 2012, 09:25:42 PM

CA-42 is still pretty well signed despite it being deleted long ago.

TheStranger · March 12, 2012, 11:09:58 AM

Here's another example of a route prominently mentioned on newer signage that I thought had been decommissioned entirely: Route 91 west of I-110.

DSC_5969 by csampang, on Flickr

The High Plains Traveler · March 12, 2012, 10:46:47 PM

The left-hand exit from I-5 to Firestone Blvd. was posted as 42 when I went by there in 2010. I figured that was a remnant sign, but is it still signed elsewhere?

TheStranger · March 12, 2012, 11:27:46 PM

Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on March 12, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
The left-hand exit from I-5 to Firestone Blvd. was posted as 42 when I went by there in 2010. I figured that was a remnant sign, but is it still signed elsewhere?

agentsteel53 · March 13, 2012, 10:21:02 AM

TheStranger seems to have covered it pretty well. there is also one surface-level JCT 42 assembly left: San Pedro Rd. southbound at Manchester Blvd (CA-42).

go ahead and steal the sign; it's not in very good condition.

kurumi · March 13, 2012, 11:23:02 AM

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
go ahead and steal the sign; it's not in very good condition.

agentsteel53 · March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM

I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

kurumi · March 13, 2012, 12:56:43 PM

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

Good point :-)

Quillz · March 13, 2012, 02:56:49 PM

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

"What are you in for? Murder?"
"Stealing a 42."

agentsteel53 · March 13, 2012, 03:04:01 PM

Quote from: Quillz on March 13, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.
"What are you in for? Murder?"
"Stealing a 42."

"man, that was the last 42. bend over."

legal disclaimer: prison sex is bad, mmkay?

jrouse · March 15, 2012, 10:52:08 AM

Quote from: TheStranger on March 09, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After posting some photos from today at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6302.0 -

I remember reading at CAHighways that Route 195 was to be decommissioned once the Route 86S expressway was finished. Yet, off of 86S, is this:

Does this mean that 195 will continue to be signed (status quo) for the immediate future? Also, I wonder when/if 86 will be moved off of old US 99 between Indio and Thermal and onto the 86S expressway, I had also thought that was the original plan.

Route 86S is going to be renumbered to Route 86. The old highway has been relinquished, and Caltrans District 8 has ordered the new signs reflecting the changes. Some internal documentation and public outreach needs to be completed but the changes will be happening out there soon. I heard this directly from a colleague in District 8 when I was visiting there yesterday.

Joe
(Please note that I work for Caltrans but do not directly speak for them in this forum)

TheStranger · March 15, 2012, 11:52:19 AM

Quote from: jrouse on March 15, 2012, 10:52:08 AM

Route 86S is going to be renumbered to Route 86. The old highway has been relinquished, and Caltrans District 8 has ordered the new signs reflecting the changes. Some internal documentation and public outreach needs to be completed but the changes will be happening out there soon. I heard this directly from a colleague in District 8 when I was visiting there yesterday.

Thanks for the update! Does this mean 195 will be gone soon as well?

I find the newer 91 signage at 405 much more baffling - I don't think 91 has been signed west of 110 for years, yet the signs put up look to be less than 3-4 years old (after the relinquishment was made final!).

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And for posterity's sake, here's the current 86/86S junction as of last week, which looks to be a vestige of the past soon enough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/6968365693/in/set-72157629185945410/

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Route 86S and Route 195 statuses