Department of Redundancy Department

[jeffandnicole]

Did someone say Turnpike? This is I-40 East in Yukon, OK. Just found this browsing Oklahoma Street View, where you're almost guaranteed to find hot garbage.



Street View link.

The text in yellow would better read "Toll Road" to specify it's a toll road. There are numerous "Turnpikes" around the country that are not tolled.

Well, hopefully the ground-mounted sign before this clarifies this for you.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HnqAT1N8xx1BbFUv7

[STLmapboy]

Did someone say Turnpike? This is I-40 East in Yukon, OK. Just found this browsing Oklahoma Street View, where you're almost guaranteed to find hot garbage.



Street View link.

The text in yellow would better read "Toll Road" to specify it's a toll road. There are numerous "Turnpikes" around the country that are not tolled.

Well, hopefully the ground-mounted sign before this clarifies this for you.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HnqAT1N8xx1BbFUv7

I've seen some newer OK installs that specify "TOLL" instead of turnpike, but sprjus4 is right in that turnpikes can be untolled.

On another note, you could go full New Hampshire with the signage. "A toll road."

[JoePCool14]

I've seen some newer OK installs that specify "TOLL" instead of turnpike, but sprjus4 is right in that turnpikes can be untolled.

On another note, you could go full New Hampshire with the signage. "A toll road."

Is the leading "A" really necessary?

[ErmineNotyours]

Seein' double Dunkin.  Maybe the one without a drive-thru wanted an additional sign, or no one wanted to remove the faded sign.

[rte66man]

I've seen some newer OK installs that specify "TOLL" instead of turnpike, but sprjus4 is right in that turnpikes can be untolled.

Not in Oklahoma. We've never had 'turnpikes' that weren't tolled like the states east of the Mississippi River.  I suspect OTA is finally trying to get with the program by switching to 'TOLL' instead of 'TURNPIKE' as out-of-state drivers were getting confused.

[CoreySamson]

What about a shield that is redundant with itself?

SH BUSINESS 288 B!

Business 288 is actually called that everywhere in the area, strangely enough. Even all the street blades say Business 288 B.

[STLmapboy]

What about a shield that is redundant with itself?

SH BUSINESS 288 B!

Business 288 is actually called that everywhere in the area, strangely enough. Even all the street blades say Business 288 B.

You may have the wrong GSV. I can't see a shield.

[CoreySamson]

What about a shield that is redundant with itself?

SH BUSINESS 288 B!

Business 288 is actually called that everywhere in the area, strangely enough. Even all the street blades say Business 288 B.

You may have the wrong GSV. I can't see a shield.

Fixed.

[Scott5114]

That's not actually redundant–the "B" there is not short for "Business", as it would be in Arkansas, but is an internal designator attached to that business highway. If there were another Business 288 somewhere, that one would have a different letter at the bottom of the shield.

I am guessing that the letters are assigned off of the TxDOT internal reference system somehow, since Texas 6 has a Business 6-N in the central part of the state, then P, R, and S as it gets closer to its southern terminus.

[Ben114]

That's not actually redundant–the "B" there is not short for "Business", as it would be in Arkansas, but is an internal designator attached to that business highway. If there were another Business 288 somewhere, that one would have a different letter at the bottom of the shield.

I am guessing that the letters are assigned off of the TxDOT internal reference system somehow, since Texas 6 has a Business 6-N in the central part of the state, then P, R, and S as it gets closer to its southern terminus.

That's how I think it is, similar to how NH suffixes routes. i.e. 11A, 11B, 11C, 11D. There could possibly be a Business 288 A somewhere.

[Scott5114]

There could possibly be a Business 288 A somewhere.

That was my first thought, and I checked; there isn't. Likewise, with Business 6, the lowest letter used is N.

[CoreySamson]

Unless there's a Loop 288 A up in Denton, I'm 99.9% sure that there never was or is a Business 288A along TX 288's route.

Looking at TX-288's Wikipedia page indicates that there never was a Business 288A, but that instead, the current SH Business 288B was once part of Spur 300, and a state highway, TX 227 (which was only designated for about 4 years).

I think Scott's assumption that the extraneous "B" is probably an internal designation is probably correct, now that I think about it.

[formulanone]

Unless there's a Loop 288 A up in Denton, I'm 99.9% sure that there never was or is a Business 288A along TX 288's route.

Looking at TX-288's Wikipedia page indicates that there never was a Business 288A, but that instead, the current SH Business 288B was once part of Spur 300, and a state highway, TX 227 (which was only designated for about 4 years).

I think Scott's assumption that the extraneous "B" is probably an internal designation is probably correct, now that I think about it.

Texas puts a tiny letter at the bottom of Business Route shields. Usually the first one is "A", but I've seen other letters for longer routes.



Here's a Business US 281 shield with a T (under the "2"), in Falfurrias:



Business US 77 in Brownsville, with a "Z"; presumably because US 77 terminates shortly after the Business loop ends:



I have seen it in a few state highways, but sometimes you can't tell if it's just part of the mounting.

[ethanhopkin14]

Unless there's a Loop 288 A up in Denton, I'm 99.9% sure that there never was or is a Business 288A along TX 288's route.

Looking at TX-288's Wikipedia page indicates that there never was a Business 288A, but that instead, the current SH Business 288B was once part of Spur 300, and a state highway, TX 227 (which was only designated for about 4 years).

I think Scott's assumption that the extraneous "B" is probably an internal designation is probably correct, now that I think about it.

Texas puts a tiny letter at the bottom of Business Route shields. Usually the first one is "A", but I've seen other letters for longer routes.



Here's a Business US 281 shield with a T (under the "2"), in Falfurrias:



Business US 77 in Brownsville, with a "Z"; presumably because US 77 terminates shortly after the Business loop ends:



I have seen it in a few state highways, but sometimes you can't tell if it's just part of the mounting.

They do it with business loop interstates as well.  They skip several letters (they don't go A, B) for future expansion of business highways.  It is more for internal logging then for it to be visible to the motorist, so when they say Business US 59, they can know which version of Business US 59 they are talking about since there are several iterations. 

[roadfro]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

[jakeroot]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

Jesus!!! That's not standard for Nevada California, is it?

[sprjus4]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

Jesus!!! That's not standard for Nevada, is it?

Might not be standard in Nevada, but that's in California.

[jakeroot]

Might not be standard in Nevada, but that's in California.

Right, California. Still thinking that's not normal.

[noelbotevera]

Guys, I don't think this is I-70 West...

[JoePCool14]

Guys, I don't think this is I-70 West...

Considering the town this is in, I think they get a pass for redundant signage. Just to really hammer in the fact that an Interstate Highway passes by a few gas stations and restaurants. 

[roadfro]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

Jesus!!! That's not standard for Nevada, is it?

Might not be standard in Nevada, but that's in California.

Right, California. Still thinking that's not normal.

Oh no, not a standard at all. Just a few miles upstream in CA, there's a more normal installation. I think there's been some previous incidents at this location. It's not very far from the Bordertown casino on the Nevada side and that roadway is also served by this access point–interestingly there isn't a crossover to make the left turn to US 395 north from this location, which probably has contributed to some potential wrong way movements here and the need for the abundant and oversized signage.

[ErmineNotyours]

Actual city limits may appear and reappear across a freeway, but it's less confusing to only sign one of them.  Interstate 205, Entering Portland (button copy)  Then Entering Maywood Park (no local exits).  (Two tenths of a mile away, while still in Maywood Park) Entering Portland again.  I guess Maywood Park wanted their name on a freeway sign.  The city was created to stop construction of I-205.

[Scott5114]

I don't see what's redundant or confusing about that. You leave Portland and enter Maywood Park. Then you leave Maywood Park and enter Portland again. It's useful to know where the city limits are in case there are different ordinances that need to be observed.

[empirestate]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

Maybe they're just testing out three different layouts for the WRONG WAY panel.

[GenExpwy]

I think you're going the wrong way...

Looking backwards on US 395 southbound just before the Nevada state line at Long Valley Road turnoff

Jesus!!! That's not standard for Nevada, is it?

Might not be standard in Nevada, but that's in California.

And there's weirdness in the other direction, too. Heading southbound in the northbound lanes there are no WRONG WAY signs, but instead a pair of icy road warning signs. If you are reading those signs, ice might not be your biggest problem.