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Title: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 08, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Prince William County, a suburban county south of the Washington Metropolitan Area, is going to be receiving a lot of new major road improvements in the coming years, including new interchanges and intersection improvements along Prince William Parkway (VA 234/294) and miscellaneous improvements to I-95, such as a new southbound auxiliary lane to hopefully speed up the nightly slowdown across the Occoquan River as well as new southbound HOT lane ramps at Opitz Boulevard to provide better access to a new PRTC commuter garage.

The most notable of these upcoming changes just recently broke ground in March. This is the new complex interchange for Prince William Parkway, Dumfries Road, and Brentsville Road, also simply known as the Brentsville Interchange project. Currently, there are two signalized interchanges, met at by four different highways: VA 234, VA 234 BUS, VA 294, and SR 649. With all these high-traffic commuter routes, most of them high-speed, meeting at two close-together signalized intersections, this is a very accident-prone area and is unsafe to other cross-traffic, pedestrians, and cyclists. Here is what it currently looks like:

(https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/interchangearea.jpg)

Initially, VDOT considered using a double diamond interchange, like the ones seen along Fairfax County Parkway, which would have the road alignment look similar to this:

(https://potomaclocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Recommended-Route-234-Bypass-at-Dumfries-PWP-Brentsville-Rd-Interchange-1.png)

Instead, they came up with a half-interchange, half-intersection design, which looked like this:

(https://www.potomaclocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Brentsville-1-e1529858371361.jpg)

The intersection, which would be a 4-way intersection paired with a half-trumpet ramp connection between VA 234 South and VA 294, was replaced with a fully grade-separated interchange design, retaining the half-trumpet but adding more ramps and replacing the intersection with an overpass:

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/insidenova.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c8/3c83c528-5f4b-11ec-b3db-6b17e0f9a01a/61bca8006780d.image.jpg?crop=1522%2C799%2C0%2C281&resize=1200%2C630&order=crop%2Cresize)

For a second time, they once again redesigned the proposed interchange, with the final product going to be the second interchange design, just more condensed:

(https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/projectroutes.jpg)

This is just one of the new highway projects along Prince William Parkway. The diverging diamond interchange at Balls Ford Road is about halfway complete, and there are several other proposed projects too, including a single-point urban interchange at Sudley Manor Road (which includes an overpass for Wellington Road), a quadrant intersection at University Boulevard which will extend Discover Boulevard to PWP, a dumbbell intersection at Clover Hill Road, which uses roundabout to make left turns between the intersecting roads, and a single-point urban interchange at Minnieville Road to go along with the new Quartz District mixed-use neighborhood development project.

To give my opinion, I'm hoping that VA 234 around Manassas is fully-upgraded to a freeway rather than having its at-grade intersections improved. This road gets backed up for miles and has constant collisions due to the signalized intersections and investing in SPUIs for University Boulevard and Clover Hill Road sounds better in my opinion, but it seems this all has to do with costs. Maybe for another time in the future.

All that aside, I'm interested to see how this new interchange will turn out, and perhaps these new road projects, particularly the ones around Manassas, open a window for more frequent bus service between Manassas and the Dumfries/Woodbridge area, as well as an extended shared-use path along VA 234, both offering easier commutes for people who don't own cars.

What do you all think of the new interchange (and other projects)?
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: bluecountry on June 08, 2022, 07:05:19 PM
Do you work for PWC?
I read that intersection had complaints about the interchange being woefully inadequate for cyclists and pedestrians, has that been corrected?

Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 08, 2022, 07:58:44 PM
Virginia is getting closer and closer to having an Outer Beltway. If nothing else, I imagine this could draw traffic off of 95 north of Dumfries.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Mapmikey on June 09, 2022, 06:53:55 AM
Virginia is getting closer and closer to having an Outer Beltway. If nothing else, I imagine this could draw traffic off of 95 north of Dumfries.

To go where?  Making the Manassas Bypass a few minutes faster than it currently is would draw additional I-95 NB traffic how?

Envisioning VA 234 as the outer beltway is a stretch.  There are at least 13 stop lights between I-95 and the VA 294/SR 649 interchange location.  Also numerous other at grade intersections.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: bluecountry on June 09, 2022, 06:57:47 AM
If I knew how to I would create a map in google kmz/mnl that showed my proposal for the outer beltway going clockwise:

-'ICC extension' from the current ICC terminus at I-95 in Laurel to Rt 50, 6 lanes
-'Brandywine bypass' from Rt 50 to Rt 301 by Brandywine, 4 lanes
-'Potomac expressway' from Brandy in an arc to the Potomac straight across from the southern end of Quantico MB, 4 lanes until at the new bridge, which is 6 lanes
-'Quantico expressway' from the Potomac along the perimeter of the Quantico MB, up to PW PKWY, 4 lanes
-'PW expressway' where the PW Pkwy would be upgraded to a full interstate with 6 to 8 lanes to I-66
-'Bi County expressway' from PW Pkwy and I-66 going north but more on the tai-county NOT bi county route to intersect with 50 and Rt 606 in Loudoun, 4 lanes
-'Dulles Expressway' from Rt 50 on Rt 606 crossing the Greenway with a new west exit to Dulles Airport and then going straight north  over the Loudoun County Parkway to Rt 7, 6 lanes
-'Techway' from Rt 7 across to the ICC, 6 lanes until over the Potomac Bridge, then 4 lanes

All segments tolled except for the PW Expressway.
Minimal exits to prevent sprawl and keep this as intended-a bypass for 95 to Baltimore/NY traffic, 95 to Dulles/PA Turnpike traffic
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Rothman on June 09, 2022, 06:59:09 AM
Creating a map in kilohertz...? :D
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1 on June 09, 2022, 07:14:30 AM
Creating a map in kilohertz...? :D

Looks like autocorrect to me. Maybe it was supposed to be a .kmz file?
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 09, 2022, 07:16:24 AM
If I knew how to I would create a map in google kHz that showed my proposal for the outer beltway going clockwise:

-'ICC extension' from the current ICC terminus at I-95 in Laurel to Rt 50, 6 lanes
-'Brandywine bypass' from Rt 50 to Rt 301 by Brandywine, 4 lanes
-'Potomac expressway' from Brandy in an arc to the Potomac straight across from the southern end of Quantico MB, 4 lanes until at the new bridge, which is 6 lanes
-'Quantico expressway' from the Potomac along the perimeter of the Quantico MB, up to PW PKWY, 4 lanes
-'PW expressway' where the PW Pkwy would be upgraded to a full interstate with 6 to 8 lanes to I-66
-'Bi County expressway' from PW Pkwy and I-66 going north but more on the tai-county NOT bi county route to intersect with 50 and Rt 606 in Loudoun, 4 lanes
-'Dulles Expressway' from Rt 50 on Rt 606 crossing the Greenway with a new west exit to Dulles Airport and then going straight north  over the Loudoun County Parkway to Rt 7, 6 lanes
-'Techway' from Rt 7 across to the ICC, 6 lanes until over the Potomac Bridge, then 4 lanes

All segments tolled except for the PW Expressway.
Minimal exits to prevent sprawl and keep this as intended-a bypass for 95 to Baltimore/NY traffic, 95 to Dulles/PA Turnpike traffic

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1EG7qT3s-eWf2fs3ilt-tMhhy9VGwksA-&usp=sharing

Mine uses VA 28, VA 234, I-370, US 301, and MD 210.

I think upgrading existing roads is a more elegant solution.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Rothman on June 09, 2022, 07:17:47 AM
Creating a map in kilohertz...? :D

Looks like autocorrect to me. Maybe it was supposed to be a .kmz file?
More than likely, but autocorrect even capitalized the H. :D
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 09, 2022, 12:38:40 PM
Do you work for PWC?
I read that intersection had complaints about the interchange being woefully inadequate for cyclists and pedestrians, has that been corrected?

No, I just live here. I can't really tell but it looks like in the 3rd design images that the paths will cross over the ramps and at-grade intersections with crosswalks. It appears to be the most basic of pedestrian/cyclist infrastructure at a glance but maybe they will make improvements later on or there are some safety features I don't see.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 09, 2022, 12:53:14 PM
Virginia is getting closer and closer to having an Outer Beltway. If nothing else, I imagine this could draw traffic off of 95 north of Dumfries.

If the Bi-County Parkway is built, then yeah, a new half-beltway for people who want to basically avoid Nova. It's an interesting idea on paper and I would love an easier way to get up past Leesburg from where I am in southern PWC. However, I really don't think they should create an outer beltway. Dumfries Road is already jam-packed with trucks and commuters every evening and with all the new development happening along the southern corridor in Dumfries, to have an Interstate's amount of traffic, stop and go at every light and yielding for the pedestrians, horrifies me. They would have to either widen VA 234 or upgrade it to a freeway, both of with are practically impossible and would tear up the newer frontage roads, driveways, and sidepaths.

I think they should just make dual-carriageway EZ-Pass lanes along I-95 and think of extending the Metro to Quantico.

To add on, making an outer beltway would undoubtedly just create more sprawl, turning Manassas into a Fairfax and Warrenton into a Manassas.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: sprjus4 on June 10, 2022, 12:23:02 AM
Any effective outer bypass needs to be built on new location and be designed to limit local traffic by spacing interchanges far apart only at major junctions.

An eastern bypass along US-301 would be the way to go, IMO.

However, for the sake of local traffic flow alone, one or both of the parkways to the west of I-95 going to I-66, whether it be VA-234 or VA-286, need to be upgraded to freeway standards. They already carry freeway levels of traffic and mixed with intersections does not create a safe driving environment.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 10, 2022, 02:20:28 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 10, 2022, 07:17:13 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1995hoo on June 10, 2022, 09:16:43 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.

How does that in any way respond to what Joseph R P said?



The timing of Joseph R P's comment is amusing to me because yesterday afternoon my mom stopped by our place to pick something up that I'd ordered for her. She was coming from Centreville and she took Braddock Road to the southbound Fairfax County Parkway. She grumbled about how it took forever to get from Braddock through the light at Popes Head Road a short distance away but that it then opened up such that it took her about 40 minutes total to make the trip (which is not bad for a trip starting at 3:40 PM). I was rather amused by that given that the Popes Head light is slated for removal when an interchange is constructed there.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 10, 2022, 09:59:33 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.

How does that in any way respond to what Joseph R P said?



The timing of Joseph R P's comment is amusing to me because yesterday afternoon my mom stopped by our place to pick something up that I'd ordered for her. She was coming from Centreville and she took Braddock Road to the southbound Fairfax County Parkway. She grumbled about how it took forever to get from Braddock through the light at Popes Head Road a short distance away but that it then opened up such that it took her about 40 minutes total to make the trip (which is not bad for a trip starting at 3:40 PM). I was rather amused by that given that the Popes Head light is slated for removal when an interchange is constructed there.

It matters because the route that serves Dulles will be used more and therefore be a more profitable investment
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1995hoo on June 10, 2022, 10:11:59 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.

How does that in any way respond to what Joseph R P said?



The timing of Joseph R P's comment is amusing to me because yesterday afternoon my mom stopped by our place to pick something up that I'd ordered for her. She was coming from Centreville and she took Braddock Road to the southbound Fairfax County Parkway. She grumbled about how it took forever to get from Braddock through the light at Popes Head Road a short distance away but that it then opened up such that it took her about 40 minutes total to make the trip (which is not bad for a trip starting at 3:40 PM). I was rather amused by that given that the Popes Head light is slated for removal when an interchange is constructed there.

It matters because the route that serves Dulles will be used more and therefore be a more profitable investment

Perhaps unsurprisingly, you continue to fail to respond to his comment, which says (in relevant part) as follows and which has nothing whatsoever to do with Dulles Airport—but, even then, VA-286 serves Dulles via a very direct connection using the Dulles Access Road (it's one of the two most direct ways to Dulles Airport from where I live, for example, the other being the Beltway to the Access Road).

"VA-286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway .... VA-294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA-234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult."

But I know that comment doesn't say what you want to hear, so you'll automatically dismiss it as invalid.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 10, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.

How does that in any way respond to what Joseph R P said?



The timing of Joseph R P's comment is amusing to me because yesterday afternoon my mom stopped by our place to pick something up that I'd ordered for her. She was coming from Centreville and she took Braddock Road to the southbound Fairfax County Parkway. She grumbled about how it took forever to get from Braddock through the light at Popes Head Road a short distance away but that it then opened up such that it took her about 40 minutes total to make the trip (which is not bad for a trip starting at 3:40 PM). I was rather amused by that given that the Popes Head light is slated for removal when an interchange is constructed there.

It matters because the route that serves Dulles will be used more and therefore be a more profitable investment

Perhaps unsurprisingly, you continue to fail to respond to his comment, which says (in relevant part) as follows and which has nothing whatsoever to do with Dulles Airport—but, even then, VA-286 serves Dulles via a very direct connection using the Dulles Access Road (it's one of the two most direct ways to Dulles Airport from where I live, for example, the other being the Beltway to the Access Road).

"VA-286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway .... VA-294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA-234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult."

But I know that comment doesn't say what you want to hear, so you'll automatically dismiss it as invalid.

Thanks for reminding me why you're on my "ignore" list
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: sprjus4 on June 10, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
So… a poster brings up a valid argument and because it doesn’t meet your narrative, you dismiss it? Makes a lot of sense why most users don’t take your arguments seriously half the time.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 10, 2022, 11:06:00 AM
So… a poster brings up a valid argument and because it doesn’t meet your narrative, you dismiss it? Makes a lot of sense why most users don’t take your arguments seriously half the time.

He made an argument in favor of one route, I made an argument in favor of another. That's how a debate works
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1995hoo on June 10, 2022, 11:06:40 AM
Thanks for reminding me why you're on my "ignore" list

Evidently, you must really adhere to that "ignore" list too, seeing as how you've just read and responded to my comments multiple times without having seen them by virtue of someone else quoting them (that is, you yourself obviously clicked on them to display the comments).

If you can't deal with opinions that disagree with yours, or with people who question your credibility when you quote a post and then fail to respond to anything it says, then you're probably too thin-skinned or too poorly-educated to be posting on a forum of this sort. But, hey, you're welcome to continue to destroy whatever credibility you may have had.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: froggie on June 10, 2022, 10:21:52 PM
So… a poster brings up a valid argument and because it doesn’t meet your narrative, you dismiss it? Makes a lot of sense why most users don’t take your arguments seriously half the time.

He made an argument in favor of one route, I made an argument in favor of another. That's how a debate works

Okay.  So here's another argument against your route:  you seem to forget or ignore that, while 234 DOES intersect 28, it does so on the south side of Manassas.  Which means one would have to travel through Manassas to access Dulles.  Improving 28 south of Bull Run (or "cutting the corner" via Liberia Ave) would run into the same adjacent private property argument Joseph R P made regarding 234 but with several more orders of magnitude.  Using 234 to 66 adds significant distance...bout 17 miles between 234/294 and 66/28.  And before you bring up the Bi-County Parkway, that would put people on the BACK side of Dulles, not the side where the terminal is.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 11, 2022, 04:04:46 PM
VA 286 would be a much easier upgrade to a freeway considering the section between I 95 and VA 289 and the one between Popes Head Road and US 50 are already at freeway standards with more interchanges planned to be built between them. VA 294 and the Dumfries Road section of VA 234 have a lot of private properties along them so upgrading them to freeways would be much more difficult.

But VA 234 intersects with VA 28 which runs by Dulles Airport.

VA 234 does intersect with VA 28, but getting through Manassas from the Manassas area to the airport without the bypass existing yet is a nightmare. You can take VA 294 to Liberia Avenue and follow 28 up to where it becomes a freeway, but through Manassas and Centreville, 28 is as bad as US 1 in Woodbridge pre-widening, and isn't built up to as much traffic as it can handle and has a billion stoplights along it. Alternatively, you could follow 234 to 66 to 28, but that's an unnecessarily long acute-angled circumnavigation of Manassas.

So, if you're in Manassas, it sucks getting through Manassas, meaning that it's even worse getting through the city when you live outside of it, like in, for example, Dumfries. If you're in Dumfries, it's better to just take 123 to 286 and follow that to 66, which will almost instantly connect to the VA 28 freeway. This way, you'll be on a fully-expressway/freeway route without having to go through messy stroad thoroughfares that takes you in the longer route to your destination anyway.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: bluecountry on June 11, 2022, 05:45:06 PM
I wonder if the Washington Commanders being in PWC MIGHT be the impetus needed to get I-95 in NOVA to become 12/14 lanes like the NJTP?
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: kernals12 on June 11, 2022, 05:52:18 PM
I wonder if the Washington Commanders being in PWC MIGHT be the impetus needed to get I-95 in NOVA to become 12/14 lanes like the NJTP?

I thought VDOT concluded that it would not be cost effective?
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1995hoo on June 11, 2022, 06:19:39 PM
I wonder if the Washington Commanders being in PWC MIGHT be the impetus needed to get I-95 in NOVA to become 12/14 lanes like the NJTP?

That makes a pretty big assumption that, at least as of the past few days' developments, is unwarranted.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 13, 2022, 06:24:55 PM
US 1 (Fraley Boulevard/Main Street) widening through Dumfries to begin soon: https://princewilliamliving.com/widening-fraley-boulevard-route-1-through-dumfries-on-pace-to-begin/

This project that will go on until 2027 is nearing its groundbreaking, which will replace a both 2-3 lane one-way (Fraley Boulevard) and semi-two directional (Main Street) pair of roads, into a six-lane thoroughfare and a two-lane local road (which may possibly become a business route). Currently, both are mostly lacking in pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, but dead-end sidewalks are planned to be extended and connected to each other and the Route 1 Sidepath, discontinuously appearing throughout the left side of US 1, will be expanded to follow along Fraley Boulevard.

This project will help ease traffic and keep the historic Dumfries area more peaceful from through traffic while also better-connecting cyclists and pedestrians to their destinations in one of Prince William County's more populous and fastest-growing areas.

Here's what the current situation looks like: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/38.5621/-77.3299
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: 1995hoo on June 13, 2022, 07:04:25 PM
Thanks for that. I didn’t know that was in the cards. I haven’t driven south all that much in the past couple of years, and the southern extension of the I-95 express lanes has reduced the need to bail out to US-1. Be interesting to see that segment when it’s done.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Mapmikey on June 13, 2022, 08:16:34 PM
It will match up with the modern 6-lane routing already built through Triangle, which removed every business on US 1 in Triangle.

It looks like it is possible this Dumfries project will have to take out at least some businesses but wouldn't have to be the scorched earth widening Triangle was.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on June 14, 2022, 12:55:09 AM
It will match up with the modern 6-lane routing already built through Triangle, which removed every business on US 1 in Triangle.

It looks like it is possible this Dumfries project will have to take out at least some businesses but wouldn't have to be the scorched earth widening Triangle was.

This similarly happened along US 1 in "Downtown" Woodbridge, some of the small businesses were relocated to newer buildings built on top of empty parking lot space on the other side of the highway. Thankfully, a six-lane US 1 between Quantico and the Occoquan River is nearing completion, so not much more damage can be done (but unfortunately I happen to live along one of the final stretches of four-lane US 1- between Cardinal Drive/Neabsco Road and Dumfries Road- so years of construction right outside my neighborhood is going to be real fun).
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 17, 2022, 08:10:26 PM
US 1 (Fraley Boulevard/Main Street) widening through Dumfries to begin soon: https://princewilliamliving.com/widening-fraley-boulevard-route-1-through-dumfries-on-pace-to-begin/

This project that will go on until 2027 is nearing its groundbreaking, which will replace a both 2-3 lane one-way (Fraley Boulevard) and semi-two directional (Main Street) pair of roads, into a six-lane thoroughfare and a two-lane local road (which may possibly become a business route). Currently, both are mostly lacking in pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, but dead-end sidewalks are planned to be extended and connected to each other and the Route 1 Sidepath, discontinuously appearing throughout the left side of US 1, will be expanded to follow along Fraley Boulevard.

This project will help ease traffic and keep the historic Dumfries area more peaceful from through traffic while also better-connecting cyclists and pedestrians to their destinations in one of Prince William County's more populous and fastest-growing areas.

Here's what the current situation looks like: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/38.5621/-77.3299
Okay, why is there even a two-way portion along the southbound lanes now? Is there any reason they just can't convert the existing one-way pair of Main Street and Fraley Boulevard into six lanes and still add the pedestrian and bicycle friendly features they want?


Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Mapmikey on June 17, 2022, 10:26:13 PM
US 1 (Fraley Boulevard/Main Street) widening through Dumfries to begin soon: https://princewilliamliving.com/widening-fraley-boulevard-route-1-through-dumfries-on-pace-to-begin/

This project that will go on until 2027 is nearing its groundbreaking, which will replace a both 2-3 lane one-way (Fraley Boulevard) and semi-two directional (Main Street) pair of roads, into a six-lane thoroughfare and a two-lane local road (which may possibly become a business route). Currently, both are mostly lacking in pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, but dead-end sidewalks are planned to be extended and connected to each other and the Route 1 Sidepath, discontinuously appearing throughout the left side of US 1, will be expanded to follow along Fraley Boulevard.

This project will help ease traffic and keep the historic Dumfries area more peaceful from through traffic while also better-connecting cyclists and pedestrians to their destinations in one of Prince William County's more populous and fastest-growing areas.

Here's what the current situation looks like: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/38.5621/-77.3299
Okay, why is there even a two-way portion along the southbound lanes now? Is there any reason they just can't convert the existing one-way pair of Main Street and Fraley Boulevard into six lanes and still add the pedestrian and bicycle friendly features they want?




Because 90% of Dumfries would not be reachable from US 1 NB without going past Dumfries and turning around. There are zero roads between the alignments other than one near the south end of the split.

When I lived in Dumfries in 1995 the southbound alignment didn’t even have 2 lanes all the way through town, causing big backups during the afternoons.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 02, 2022, 08:13:15 AM
Thankfully, a six-lane US 1 between Quantico and the Occoquan River is nearing completion, so not much more damage can be done (but unfortunately I happen to live along one of the final stretches of four-lane US 1- between Cardinal Drive/Neabsco Road and Dumfries Road- so years of construction right outside my neighborhood is going to be real fun).
Is there a timetable yet for when that final stretch will actually be constructed? Have not seen or heard anything.

Moving forward road project wise, I would like to see Prince William prioritize funding the following projects next:
1. Van Buren Road Extension
2. Finishing the six-laning of US-1
3. Building an interchange at VA-234/Sudley Manor Drive (with a Wellington Road overpass)
4. Adding a designated right turn lane at VA-55/Catharpin Road

The NVTA and perhaps the next county road bond would probably be the most likely funding sources. While the US-15 two lane choke at the grade separated railroad crossing in Haymarket is certainly annoying, it is still not as needed imo as the projects above.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on July 02, 2022, 08:11:55 PM
Thankfully, a six-lane US 1 between Quantico and the Occoquan River is nearing completion, so not much more damage can be done (but unfortunately I happen to live along one of the final stretches of four-lane US 1- between Cardinal Drive/Neabsco Road and Dumfries Road- so years of construction right outside my neighborhood is going to be real fun).
Is there a timetable yet for when that final stretch will actually be constructed? Have not seen or heard anything.

Moving forward road project wise, I would like to see Prince William prioritize funding the following projects next:
1. Van Buren Road Extension
2. Finishing the six-laning of US-1
3. Building an interchange at VA-234/Sudley Manor Drive (with a Wellington Road overpass)
4. Adding a designated right turn lane at VA-55/Catharpin Road

The NVTA and perhaps the next county road bond would probably be the most likely funding sources. While the US-15 two lane choke at the grade separated railroad crossing in Haymarket is certainly annoying, it is still not as needed imo as the projects above.

I'm not sure when the final stretch will be completed, but probably soon after the Dumfries and Woodbridge widening projects are completed.

Also, I'd love for the Van Buren Road extension to see the light of day. It would take so much traffic off of US 1 around Dumfries, but I feel like NIMBYs are going to stop it. I would also love to see either Van Buren or Gideon be extended to bypass Benita Fitzgerald and Dale to make driving between Dumfries and Potomac Mills a quick straight shot, but I think there's some museum being build near Dale and Gideon that would interfere with the right-of-way.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 02, 2022, 11:07:25 PM
Thankfully, a six-lane US 1 between Quantico and the Occoquan River is nearing completion, so not much more damage can be done (but unfortunately I happen to live along one of the final stretches of four-lane US 1- between Cardinal Drive/Neabsco Road and Dumfries Road- so years of construction right outside my neighborhood is going to be real fun).
Is there a timetable yet for when that final stretch will actually be constructed? Have not seen or heard anything.

Moving forward road project wise, I would like to see Prince William prioritize funding the following projects next:
1. Van Buren Road Extension
2. Finishing the six-laning of US-1
3. Building an interchange at VA-234/Sudley Manor Drive (with a Wellington Road overpass)
4. Adding a designated right turn lane at VA-55/Catharpin Road

The NVTA and perhaps the next county road bond would probably be the most likely funding sources. While the US-15 two lane choke at the grade separated railroad crossing in Haymarket is certainly annoying, it is still not as needed imo as the projects above.

I'm not sure when the final stretch will be completed, but probably soon after the Dumfries and Woodbridge widening projects are completed.

Also, I'd love for the Van Buren Road extension to see the light of day. It would take so much traffic off of US 1 around Dumfries, but I feel like NIMBYs are going to stop it. I would also love to see either Van Buren or Gideon be extended to bypass Benita Fitzgerald and Dale to make driving between Dumfries and Potomac Mills a quick straight shot, but I think there's some museum being build near Dale and Gideon that would interfere with the right-of-way.
https://thenovaauthority.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/NVTA-FY2022-2027-SYP-PPC-Recommendations.pdf
While the Van Buren Road extension is indeed controversial, a vast majority of that opposition is coming from the Four Seasons retirement community that would lose their wooded buffer from I-95. Regardless, it appears that Prince William is still moving forward with the project as not only is the county currently undertaking an environmental impact study for it, but they also recently requested and received partial funding for its eventual construction from the NVTA. Ultimately, I'm glad that the county seems to understand that adding more capacity and local alternatives to the I-95 corridor is essential.

Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 15, 2022, 03:08:17 PM
Here are the projects in PWC and Manassas that will either be fully or partially funded by the NVTA in the coming years (2022-2027):
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/northern-virginia-transportation-authority-to-finalize-6-year-program/article_487748fa-039c-11ed-9b06-93df251a0c87.html
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The Northern Virginia Transportation Authority is considering funding 20 projects for its 2022-2027 six-year program update while leaving six candidate projects unfunded, four of which were submitted by Prince William County.

For Prince William County, NVTA staff is recommending the full $53 million requested to extend the four-lane University Boulevard from Devlin to Wellington Road. The county already has additional Virginia Department of Transportation money and federal funding lined up to pay for the project.

“This is the last piece of University Boulevard in the [Comprehensive] Plan, and once this is completed we’ll have a full University Boulevard from Route 29 all the way to Godwin Drive,” County Planning Manager Paolo Belita told InsideNoVa. “It’s a new facility, and there’s a lot going on in that side of the county.”

The recommendation is also to approve the full $25 million requested by the county to widen Old Bridge Road from Colby Drive to Minnieville Road. Staff is also recommending the partial approval of two funding requests: $8 of the $80 million requested to extend Van Buren Road from Route 234 to Cardinal Drive and $3 of the $61.2 million requested for a new interchange at U.S. 1 and Route 123.

At the 1-123 interchange, the county is looking to construct a new four-lane overpass that would carry 123 over U.S. 1 in Woodbridge to replace the regularly-congested, at-grade traffic signal intersection. Belita said the project has some federal funding lined up to begin the preliminary engineering for the interchange and that the county would be submitting for VDOT funding.

“We’re trying to leverage it with other sources of funding,” he told InsideNoVa.

In Manassas, NVTA staff is recommending approval for the full $8.8 million requested to add a third eastbound lane to Liberia Avenue from Route 28 to Euclid Avenue. That was the only project submitted by the city this round.

Of the six candidate projects that go unfunded by staff's recommended plan, four come from Prince William. Among those requests are the county's $96 million project to widen Old Centreville Road from the Fairfax County line to Route 28, $67.5 million for a new interchange at Prince William Parkway and Minnieville Road, $35 million to widen Devlin Road from Linton Hall to University Boulevard and $26.5 million to widen Neabsco Road from Route 1 to Daniel Ludwig Drive.Belita said the county plans to submit projects that received partial funding for VDOT SMART SCALE funding and will likely re-submit projects in the coming years. Primarily, he said, the chances of any one project are based on how the NVTA scores it and what other jurisdictions submit.

“It’s all relative to what other jurisdictions are submitting. All our projects have some significant needs … and it all depends on what projects are submitted and how much we ask,” Belita said. “We’ll look at other funding opportunities, we’ll circle back to see if we need to look at our estimates again, do some more coordination.”

And for anyone interested in the recommended NVTA 2022-2027 funding scenario for the entire region: https://thenovaauthority.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/NVTA-FY2022-2027-SYP-PPC-Recommendations.pdf
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on July 15, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
I wonder if they'll work on widening the section of Telegraph Road between Prince William Parkway and Opitz Boulevard or Neabsco Mills Road before they do anything with Neabsco Road. Telegraph and Neabsco Mills are both important through roads that get so congested around rush hour while Neabsco Road is a dead end road with some neighborhoods and recreational areas along it. But I'm assuming a Widened Neabsco Road would make it easier and safer to walk/bike to Leesylvania State Park, Neabsco Eagles Park, and the Neabsco Creek Boardwalk as well as to the school and neighborhoods along it.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 15, 2022, 10:50:34 PM
I wonder if they'll work on widening the section of Telegraph Road between Prince William Parkway and Opitz Boulevard or Neabsco Mills Road before they do anything with Neabsco Road. Telegraph and Neabsco Mills are both important through roads that get so congested around rush hour while Neabsco Road is a dead end road with some neighborhoods and recreational areas along it. But I'm assuming a Widened Neabsco Road would make it easier and safer to walk/bike to Leesylvania State Park, Neabsco Eagles Park, and the Neabsco Creek Boardwalk as well as to the school and neighborhoods along it.

Haven't heard anything regarding Telegraph Road, but Neabsco Mills Road is currently being widened to US-1:
https://www.pwcva.gov/assets/documents/transportation/Neabsco%20Roll%20Out%20Plot%202%2013%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on July 16, 2022, 09:10:21 PM
I wonder if they'll work on widening the section of Telegraph Road between Prince William Parkway and Opitz Boulevard or Neabsco Mills Road before they do anything with Neabsco Road. Telegraph and Neabsco Mills are both important through roads that get so congested around rush hour while Neabsco Road is a dead end road with some neighborhoods and recreational areas along it. But I'm assuming a Widened Neabsco Road would make it easier and safer to walk/bike to Leesylvania State Park, Neabsco Eagles Park, and the Neabsco Creek Boardwalk as well as to the school and neighborhoods along it.

Haven't heard anything regarding Telegraph Road, but Neabsco Mills Road is currently being widened to US-1:
https://www.pwcva.gov/assets/documents/transportation/Neabsco%20Roll%20Out%20Plot%202%2013%202020.pdf

If I recall correctly, the Neabsco Mills Road widening was slated to being in 2021 (or maybe early 2022), but I drove on it a couple days ago and nothing has started on it yet. Maybe the news source I read it from misunderstood the date they hoped to begin the project as when it will actually happen (alas the article was from a couple years ago). I do hope it starts soon though, I'd love the elimination of the cars that try to squeeze out of the right-turn-only lane at College Drive and cut off everyone that understands what "right lane must turn" means.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on July 18, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
I wonder if they'll work on widening the section of Telegraph Road between Prince William Parkway and Opitz Boulevard or Neabsco Mills Road before they do anything with Neabsco Road. Telegraph and Neabsco Mills are both important through roads that get so congested around rush hour while Neabsco Road is a dead end road with some neighborhoods and recreational areas along it. But I'm assuming a Widened Neabsco Road would make it easier and safer to walk/bike to Leesylvania State Park, Neabsco Eagles Park, and the Neabsco Creek Boardwalk as well as to the school and neighborhoods along it.

Haven't heard anything regarding Telegraph Road, but Neabsco Mills Road is currently being widened to US-1:
https://www.pwcva.gov/assets/documents/transportation/Neabsco%20Roll%20Out%20Plot%202%2013%202020.pdf

If I recall correctly, the Neabsco Mills Road widening was slated to being in 2021 (or maybe early 2022), but I drove on it a couple days ago and nothing has started on it yet. Maybe the news source I read it from misunderstood the date they hoped to begin the project as when it will actually happen (alas the article was from a couple years ago). I do hope it starts soon though, I'd love the elimination of the cars that try to squeeze out of the right-turn-only lane at College Drive and cut off everyone that understands what "right lane must turn" means.

A similar situation is happening with the VA-234/University Blvd intersection improvement project. Was originally suppose to begin in 2020 and then after being delayed for unclear (maybe covid?) reasons, again during this summer. However as far as I can tell from driving through the other day nothing started on it yet either. My very far fetched hope is that the county is reconsidering the project given the other interchanges being built/planned on VA-234 and the massive new mixed use development that was recently approved northeast of the intersection near the Hylton Performing Arts Center. Additionally, having IMO less needed interchanges planned at VA-234/Minnieville Road and US-1/VA-123 but not here never made sense to me. A pedestrian bridge is now needed on top of the planned intersection improvement project. Why not just knock out two birds with one stone Prince William? 

Ideally, VA-234 would be a freeway from I-66 all the way to Lake Jackson Drive and be getting the same gradual light removal approach that VA-28, VA-7 and now maybe soon even US-50 (in Loudoun) will get. From there to I-95, while improvements could be made I don't think interchanges are nearly as feasible.

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2022/07/cash-infusion-moves-loudoun-co-closer-to-removing-stop-lights-on-us-50/
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 08, 2022, 12:26:13 PM
Here's what's being planned at the VA-234/Clover Hill Road intersection:
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/bowtie-intersection-planned-for-busy-manassas-corridor/article_6e69d486-2db5-11ed-bf79-fb678c107b39.html

Hopefully the design is flexible enough where if PWC wanted to convert it to an interchange down the road they could. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the public comment process plays out.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on September 09, 2022, 01:40:40 AM
Ideally, VA-234 would be a freeway from I-66 all the way to Lake Jackson Drive and be getting the same gradual light removal approach that VA-28, VA-7 and now maybe soon even US-50 (in Loudoun) will get. From there to I-95, while improvements could be made I don't think interchanges are nearly as feasible.

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2022/07/cash-infusion-moves-loudoun-co-closer-to-removing-stop-lights-on-us-50/

I think they can squeeze in interchanges where the road travels alongside the PW Forest Park, but overall, it just feels a bit off making urban-style interchanges on a more rural road.

Here's what's being planned at the VA-234/Clover Hill Road intersection:
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/bowtie-intersection-planned-for-busy-manassas-corridor/article_6e69d486-2db5-11ed-bf79-fb678c107b39.html

Hopefully the design is flexible enough where if PWC wanted to convert it to an interchange down the road they could. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the public comment process plays out.

Is it efficient to build a fix that can be upgraded to an interchange though? Or should they hold out until such is in motion?
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 09, 2022, 04:30:51 PM
Ideally, VA-234 would be a freeway from I-66 all the way to Lake Jackson Drive and be getting the same gradual light removal approach that VA-28, VA-7 and now maybe soon even US-50 (in Loudoun) will get. From there to I-95, while improvements could be made I don't think interchanges are nearly as feasible.

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2022/07/cash-infusion-moves-loudoun-co-closer-to-removing-stop-lights-on-us-50/

I think they can squeeze in interchanges where the road travels alongside the PW Forest Park, but overall, it just feels a bit off making urban-style interchanges on a more rural road.

Here's what's being planned at the VA-234/Clover Hill Road intersection:
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/bowtie-intersection-planned-for-busy-manassas-corridor/article_6e69d486-2db5-11ed-bf79-fb678c107b39.html

Hopefully the design is flexible enough where if PWC wanted to convert it to an interchange down the road they could. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the public comment process plays out.

Is it efficient to build a fix that can be upgraded to an interchange though? Or should they hold out until such is in motion?

I would have held out until there was enough funding to build an interchange. Yes it would've taken much longer but as Loudoun has shown with VA-28 and VA-7 (it appears US-15 and US-50 are next), patience and probably better strategies to obtain funding, pays off.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on September 09, 2022, 05:58:47 PM
I would have held out until there was enough funding to build an interchange. Yes it would've taken much longer but as Loudoun has shown with VA-28 and VA-7 (it appears US-15 and US-50 are next), patience and probably better strategies to obtain funding, pays off.

Good point. I do wonder how US 15 is supposed to become a freeway; it sounds like even more of a challenge than any part of 50 from Fairfax to Aldie.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on September 09, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
I would have held out until there was enough funding to build an interchange. Yes it would've taken much longer but as Loudoun has shown with VA-28 and VA-7 (it appears US-15 and US-50 are next), patience and probably better strategies to obtain funding, pays off.

Good point. I do wonder how US 15 is supposed to become a freeway; it sounds like even more of a challenge than any part of 50 from Fairfax to Aldie.

Just the Leesburg Bypass part. While US-15 north of Leesburg will be widened to four lanes, it will not be turned into a freeway.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on September 09, 2022, 10:26:40 PM
I would have held out until there was enough funding to build an interchange. Yes it would've taken much longer but as Loudoun has shown with VA-28 and VA-7 (it appears US-15 and US-50 are next), patience and probably better strategies to obtain funding, pays off.

Good point. I do wonder how US 15 is supposed to become a freeway; it sounds like even more of a challenge than any part of 50 from Fairfax to Aldie.

Just the Leesburg Bypass part. While US-15 north of Leesburg will be widened to four lanes, it will not be turned into a freeway.

Now that makes sense, but 15 being dualized out there is going to really change the landscape. It might still be useful considering all the traffic crossing the Potomac, though.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Roadsguy on September 10, 2022, 09:41:52 AM
Here's what's being planned at the VA-234/Clover Hill Road intersection:
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/bowtie-intersection-planned-for-busy-manassas-corridor/article_6e69d486-2db5-11ed-bf79-fb678c107b39.html

Hopefully the design is flexible enough where if PWC wanted to convert it to an interchange down the road they could. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the public comment process plays out.

The right-of-way does seem to be the right shape for a parclo, with both loops to the south. Plus, the bend in Clover Hill Road seems to be to allow the bridge over the Parkway to be built more easily.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on September 11, 2022, 02:56:42 PM
Here's what's being planned at the VA-234/Clover Hill Road intersection:
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/bowtie-intersection-planned-for-busy-manassas-corridor/article_6e69d486-2db5-11ed-bf79-fb678c107b39.html

Hopefully the design is flexible enough where if PWC wanted to convert it to an interchange down the road they could. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the public comment process plays out.

The right-of-way does seem to be the right shape for a parclo, with both loops to the south. Plus, the bend in Clover Hill Road seems to be to allow the bridge over the Parkway to be built more easily.

That's exactly what I was thinking, too. I also thought that a SPUI could be squeezed in instead if that new warehouse isn't too close.

Instead of building an expensive intersection here they should just go ahead with an interchange at Clover Hill, same with the University Boulevard intersection, as well as move ahead with the proposed Sudley Manor SPUI/Wellington overpass. The 234-signed section of Prince William Parkway is not fit be a 4-lane stop-and-go expressway, considering it handles both the traffic coming from both PWP/294 and Dumfries Road/234, a lot of which is trucks.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on November 02, 2022, 01:01:16 PM
Construction of the quadrant intersection has recently begun at Prince William Parkway and University Boulevard:

https://www.potomaclocal.com/2022/09/22/24-million-quadrant-intersection-work-to-begin-at-parkway-university/
https://www.potomaclocal.com/2022/09/29/prince-william-regional-officials-break-ground-on-jug-handle-intersection/

(https://www.potomaclocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/quadrant-intersection-university-blvd--600x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on November 02, 2022, 03:58:11 PM
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
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Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Joseph R P on November 04, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
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Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.

In my opinion, it would be better to have the VA 28 Bypass in Manassas built to provide a better connection from VA 234 to 28 towards Dulles, since a Bi-County Parkway would only take traffic directly to South Riding and require anyone heading to Dulles to make a long and sharp diversion off the parkway along US 50 to VA 28 to get into the airport. The Bi-County Parkway might be good for providing a more-direct route between Manassas and the Leesburg suburbs (but not really Dulles) and could relieve some VA 28 traffic (however the freeway section of 28 has never been badly congested that times I've been on it except for in the I 66 interchange construction site). All-in-all I think it would be better for PWC and Loudoun to work with what they have rather than make something new, especially with how controversial the Bi-County Parkway is.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: Jmiles32 on November 04, 2022, 05:36:53 PM
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
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Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.

In my opinion, it would be better to have the VA 28 Bypass in Manassas built to provide a better connection from VA 234 to 28 towards Dulles, since a Bi-County Parkway would only take traffic directly to South Riding and require anyone heading to Dulles to make a long and sharp diversion off the parkway along US 50 to VA 28 to get into the airport. The Bi-County Parkway might be good for providing a more-direct route between Manassas and the Leesburg suburbs (but not really Dulles) and could relieve some VA 28 traffic (however the freeway section of 28 has never been badly congested that times I've been on it except for in the I 66 interchange construction site). All-in-all I think it would be better for PWC and Loudoun to work with what they have rather than make something new, especially with how controversial the Bi-County Parkway is.

I agree with your notion about the VA-28 Bypass being a better route to Dulles from VA-234. However, what I think is underestimated is amount of trips currently from Gainesville to the South Riding area and vice versa. If the entirely of Pageland Lane is widened, along with parts of US-29 and Sudley Road (west of the battlefield), these trips will increase regardless if roundabouts or a slow speed limit is put on Pageland. Gum Spring Road and Sanders Lane will become bottlenecks and there will be pressure to widen these roads too. I guess I just don't get the half ass-ery per say. The area is ruined and no longer rural, the main opponents of a Bi-County Parkway have sold their land. Might as well build it while you can get a good deal and avoid more problems in the future. 
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: MillTheRoadgeek on November 06, 2022, 01:20:20 AM
In my opinion, it would be better to have the VA 28 Bypass in Manassas built to provide a better connection from VA 234 to 28 towards Dulles, since a Bi-County Parkway would only take traffic directly to South Riding and require anyone heading to Dulles to make a long and sharp diversion off the parkway along US 50 to VA 28 to get into the airport. The Bi-County Parkway might be good for providing a more-direct route between Manassas and the Leesburg suburbs (but not really Dulles) and could relieve some VA 28 traffic (however the freeway section of 28 has never been badly congested that times I've been on it except for in the I 66 interchange construction site). All-in-all I think it would be better for PWC and Loudoun to work with what they have rather than make something new, especially with how controversial the Bi-County Parkway is.

Well, with the aforementioned proposals to create the western Dulles connector, that would go well with the Bi-County Parkway. Additionally, it still serves a good purpose to northern Loudoun given its connection to Northstar/Belmont Ridge.

All in all I'm still staunchly opposed to the 28 bypass, though I might like it a tad better than the BCP. Same goes for the Digital Gateway while I'm at it.
Title: Re: Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Post by: bluecountry on November 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
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Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
Many things:

1.  BOCS may have approved but this has got to have another hurdle.  Lawsuits/appeals, etc.  this is hardly a done deal.  It is the 1st inning.
2.  BOCS made a provision that Pageland would NOT connect to 66, and I believe only limited portions at most would be four lanes.

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In my opinion, it would be better to have the VA 28 Bypass in Manassas built to provide a better connection from VA 234 to 28 towards Dulles, since a Bi-County Parkway would only take traffic directly to South Riding and require anyone heading to Dulles to make a long and sharp diversion off the parkway along US 50 to VA 28 to get into the airport. The Bi-County Parkway might be good for providing a more-direct route between Manassas and the Leesburg suburbs (but not really Dulles) and could relieve some VA 28 traffic (however the freeway section of 28 has never been badly congested that times I've been on it except for in the I 66 interchange construction site). All-in-all I think it would be better for PWC and Loudoun to work with what they have rather than make something new, especially with how controversial the Bi-County Parkway is.
I was a Transportation Planner with PWC at the time RT 28 alternate study was finishing.
They explored several options, one of which was the more Northeast alignment closer to 66 and Loudoun.  No chance that would ever happen, you can forget about it.  Reason?  That route goes through Bull Run Park and Ocoquoan water quality areas that needs an Army CORPS approval which will not happen.

Frankly, the bi-county parkway is an awful idea.  The one idea I liked was the long demised tri-county parkway but that ship has sailed.