Interstate 22

[froggie]

Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Could you post the E-mail here?

[TrevorB]

It's a FB message, but not that it makes a difference:

[msunat97]

Any new updates on the I-22 construction around Jasper or at Coalburg Road?

[codyg1985]

The construction around Jasper is complete now. Coalburg Road is back open now, but the project to widen the road is not finished.

[barcncpt44]

Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river

[cjk374]

Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river

Sounds like they will have almost built that for Alabama for free.

[DeaconG]

Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river

Well, how else can you get their attention unless you hit them in the pocketbook? Time to get off the dime, fellas!

[codyg1985]

Even with that penalty if it is done in August 2015 it will only amount to $608,000, which is about 3.6% of the contract value. With the claims that Archer Western has filed, if they succeed they may still break even, at least.

[SSF]

the thought that Archer Western doesn't have good counsel that will get the liquidated damages down to zero is laughable.

[Henry]

It's a FB message, but not that it makes a difference:

Well, at least we got our answer. I would've ended it concurrent with I-269 where it meets I-55 and I-269, but this message means that I-22 will share something in common with I-49 in Kansas City and I-70 in Baltimore: a crazy ending at a 3di. And it also means that TN just missed out on getting I-22, but there's always hope for that much dreamed-about Memphis-Atlanta Interstate that's at least a few decades into the future.

[MikeTheActuary]

I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26

[NE2]

I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26

Check again. I-26 ends at US 11W. And FHWA made them start exit numbering there.

[adventurernumber1]

I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26

Check again. I-26 ends at US 11W. And FHWA made them start exit numbering there.

NE2 is right, from what I've seen on Google Maps. But U.S. 23 continues north as a limited-access road briefly, and literally right at the Virginia line becomes nonlimited-access. But to save the thread from going off-topic, I personally have always thought I-22 would continue on US 78 into TN towards I-240. This is a bit of a surprise to me.

[codyg1985]

So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away? 

[froggie]

But to save the thread from going off-topic, I personally have always thought I-22 would continue on US 78 into TN towards I-240. This is a bit of a surprise to me.

I'm not surprised.  Except for a little bit near the Raines Rd interchange 78/Lamar Ave has zero access control from Holmes Rd (barely 1/2 mile from the MS line) to I-240.  That's 6.5 miles of what is basically an arterial and not an expressway (let alone freeway).  It would be a massive and expensive undertaking.

Regarding the terminus, MDOT didn't have to request termination at I-269...as others have noted, it could have followed I-269 to end at I-55, or go the other direction on 269 up to I-40.  Given precedent and FHWA policy, they also could have extended it inside I-269 up to MS 302.  But the only way it could continue on US 78 into Tennessee is if Tennessee rebuilt 78 all the way to 240 as a freeway.  For reasons cited earlier in the thread, that's looking highly unlikely.

[I94RoadRunner]

Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Interesting. I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69 ..... Guess it is not really needed though as long as there are 'to I-22' signs at the junction of I-55/69/269 ..... Got to keep all of the 'tourons' from getting lost!

[lordsutch]

Honestly it's probably the best solution, since continuing the I-22 designation to the state line would probably attract some incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor that would be better served following I-55 or TN 385 into Memphis proper. There's no reason to schlep up Lamar unless you're going somewhere near it (and most out-of-towners aren't, unless they're going to the airport; even the airport terminal isn't that convenient from Lamar).

[Grzrd]

So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away? 

Honestly it's probably the best solution, since continuing the I-22 designation to the state line would probably attract some incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor that would be better served following I-55 or TN 385 into Memphis proper. There's no reason to schlep up Lamar unless you're going somewhere near it (and most out-of-towners aren't, unless they're going to the airport; even the airport terminal isn't that convenient from Lamar).

Having a terminus at I-269 is a common sense solution. With this in mind, I wonder if MDOT would borrow a page from TxDOT's I-369 and I-69W deviations from federal statutory language and seek an I-x22 "spur" designation along US 78 from I-269 to the state line.  In theory, this would minimize the incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor and provide businesses along that section of US 78 with an interstate shield that would essentially comply with the statutory language.

[codyg1985]

Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Interesting. I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69 ..... Guess it is not really needed though as long as there are 'to I-22' signs at the junction of I-55/69/269 ..... Got to keep all of the 'tourons' from getting lost!

I would think that TDOT may post TO I-22 shields at the I-55/I-240 interchange as well, similar to what they do with I-59 in Chattanooga at the I-24/75 interchange.

[I94RoadRunner]

Yes, exactly.

[froggie]

I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69

I don't think this was ever conclusively determined.  Was more a "running theory" than anything else.

[I94RoadRunner]

I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69

I don't think this was ever conclusively determined.  Was more a "running theory" than anything else.

It really only makes sense to end I-22 at I-55/69 in Hernando if you think about it .....

[NE2]

I thought about it and it makes sense to end it at I-269.

[froggie]

It really only makes sense to end I-22 at I-55/69 in Hernando if you think about it

Not necessarily.  An argument could also be made for shifting it north into Tennessee to either I-240 (via TN 385) or I-40.  There's also precedent elsewhere for 2-digit routes ending at a 3-digit route, such as I-4 at I-275, I-69 (for now) at I-465, and I-70 at I-695 for examples.

[NE2]

There's also precedent elsewhere for 2-digit routes ending at a 3-digit route, such as I-4 at I-275, I-69 (for now) at I-465, and I-70 at I-695 for examples.

Since all of those came about long after the original system was laid out, I-76 at I-295 may be a better example of how the Interstate system has always had 2DIs ending at 3DIs (once the 3DI numbering was finalized - initially Philly-295 would have been a 3DI). On the other hand, some choices were made to deliberately end 2DIs at other 2DIs, such as I-179 north of I-90.

There was also 93 at 695, but the latter was never completed.