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Started by elsmere241, October 13, 2022, 03:36:57 PM

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Shaw's has a union. Would this change? I seem to remember that Kroger also has one, but I'm not sure.
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Quote from: 1 on February 27, 2024, 06:46:26 PM
Shaw's has a union. Would this change? I seem to remember that Kroger also has one, but I'm not sure.

In the Northwest, all Kroger (Fred Meyer/QFC) and Albertsons (Albertsons/Safeway) are union. The national UFCW opposes the merger but the Local 555 in Oregon/SW Washington endorsed it for some odd reason.
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Quote from: 1 on February 27, 2024, 06:46:26 PM
Shaw's has a union. Would this change? I seem to remember that Kroger also has one, but I'm not sure.

Depends on where you are as to if they are union or not.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2024, 06:41:06 PM

Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2024, 01:30:48 PM
I'm not many people.  I'm not most people.  I am Kyle, and I am a typical American consumer in Wichita.

You said this wouldn't be good for the typical American consumer anywhere in the country.  Please explain how it will be bad for me.

Wouldn't we need your entire grocery list and bank account balances to do that?

Apparently, |ClassicHasClass| doesn't think so.  He already knows it won't be good for me.

But also, how would that help you determine the answer?  We shop at Aldi and the local Kroger variant.  Would Kroger's acquisition of Albertsons negatively affect the price of the items sold here?
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Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2024, 01:30:48 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 26, 2024, 03:46:18 PM
... it's not going to be good for the typical American consumer, anywhere in the country.

Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2024, 04:21:15 PM
I'm a typical American consumer, somewhere in the country.  How will this be bad for me?

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 26, 2024, 10:36:05 PM
Odds are for many, even most people that they've just reduced the number of grocery companies serving their local area to one (regardless of what the marquee out front says). You'll have the regional chains still around but this makes it much easier to outlast them with loss leaders and the like. I'm not sure how one could regard this as a neutral development, let alone a positive one.

I'm not many people.  I'm not most people.  I am Kyle, and I am a typical American consumer in Wichita.

You said this wouldn't be good for the typical American consumer anywhere in the country.  Please explain how it will be bad for me.

I did. You disagree that it will be bad, obviously, so I hope it works out for you. I don't think it will and I stand by that.

kphoger

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 28, 2024, 10:55:34 AM

Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2024, 01:30:48 PM
Please explain how it will be bad for me.

I did. You disagree that it will be bad, obviously, so I hope it works out for you. I don't think it will and I stand by that.

1.  I'm still trying to figure out where you explained how this will be bad for me and my wife here in Wichita.  Can you please point me to the post where you explained it?

2.  I neither agree nor disagree with you.  What I want is an explanation of how it will be bad for me.  If you can convince me, then I'll be convinced.  I honestly want to know.
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Brandon

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 28, 2024, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2024, 01:30:48 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 26, 2024, 03:46:18 PM
... it's not going to be good for the typical American consumer, anywhere in the country.

Quote from: kphoger on February 26, 2024, 04:21:15 PM
I'm a typical American consumer, somewhere in the country.  How will this be bad for me?

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on February 26, 2024, 10:36:05 PM
Odds are for many, even most people that they've just reduced the number of grocery companies serving their local area to one (regardless of what the marquee out front says). You'll have the regional chains still around but this makes it much easier to outlast them with loss leaders and the like. I'm not sure how one could regard this as a neutral development, let alone a positive one.

I'm not many people.  I'm not most people.  I am Kyle, and I am a typical American consumer in Wichita.

You said this wouldn't be good for the typical American consumer anywhere in the country.  Please explain how it will be bad for me.

I did. You disagree that it will be bad, obviously, so I hope it works out for you. I don't think it will and I stand by that.

How would it be bad for kphoger?  Check the map I posted yesterday; there's no Albertsons stores anywhere near him.  Thus, he'd see no stores being sold off or changing hands.  As for me, I'm a bit concerned as we have both Jewel (Albertsons) and Mariano's (Kroger) in the market  I highly doubt there'd be any price increases as there is plenty of other competition in the area.  My concern is about losing what's become a really decent store, Mariano's, after the demise of Dominick's at the hands of Safeway.
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kphoger

Quote from: Brandon on February 28, 2024, 11:32:00 AM
How would it be bad for kphoger?  Check the map I posted yesterday; there's no Albertsons stores anywhere near him.  Thus, he'd see no stores being sold off or changing hands.  As for me, I'm a bit concerned as we have both Jewel (Albertsons) and Mariano's (Kroger) in the market  I highly doubt there'd be any price increases as there is plenty of other competition in the area.  My concern is about losing what's become a really decent store, Mariano's, after the demise of Dominick's at the hands of Safeway.

FWIW, I have no experience with Mariano's in the Chicago area, because I left the area before the demise of Dominick's.  When I did live there, I did all my shopping at Jewel.
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Brandon

Quote from: kphoger on February 28, 2024, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 28, 2024, 11:32:00 AM
How would it be bad for kphoger?  Check the map I posted yesterday; there's no Albertsons stores anywhere near him.  Thus, he'd see no stores being sold off or changing hands.  As for me, I'm a bit concerned as we have both Jewel (Albertsons) and Mariano's (Kroger) in the market  I highly doubt there'd be any price increases as there is plenty of other competition in the area.  My concern is about losing what's become a really decent store, Mariano's, after the demise of Dominick's at the hands of Safeway.

FWIW, I have no experience with Mariano's in the Chicago area, because I left the area before the demise of Dominick's.  When I did live there, I did all my shopping at Jewel.

Mariano's was originally founded by one of the guys (Bob Mariano) who headed Dominick's just before it was sold to Safeway.  Mariano was working for Roundy's at the time and fashioned his store after what he though Dominick's should be, better produce selections, some high-end products, while also still being competitive with Jewel.  They became a part of Kroger when Roundy's was bought out by Kroger.
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#259
As the possible merger limps along through the courts, this article really messes the Kroger/Safeway-Albertson's "merger" -- at least in Colorado...

https://kdvr.com/news/colorado/could-your-safeway-be-sold-soon-see-89-colorado-stores-on-planned-sale-list/?ipid=promo-link-block1

This would mean that most of the current Safeway stores will be spun-off to another grocery group, BUT those stores would keep the Safeway branding!!!

So it's more of a merger AND a Non-Merger at the same time as Safeway could live on!

Confused? You won't be after this episode of...Soap!

kkt

Quote from: thenetwork on July 14, 2024, 09:36:39 PMAs the possible merger limps along through the courts, this article really messes the Kroger/Safeway-Albertson's "merger" -- at least in Colorado...

https://kdvr.com/news/colorado/could-your-safeway-be-sold-soon-see-89-colorado-stores-on-planned-sale-list/?ipid=promo-link-block1

This would mean that most of the current Safeway stores will be spun-off to another grocery group, BUT those stores would keep the Safeway branding!!!

So it's more of a merger AND a Non-Merger at the same time as Safeway could live on!

Confused? You won't be after this episode of...Soap!

Safeway would really like to have a bunch of non-Safeway stores out there using their brand and their trademarks?  Crazy.

TheStranger

Quote from: kkt on July 14, 2024, 11:36:57 PMSafeway would really like to have a bunch of non-Safeway stores out there using their brand and their trademarks?  Crazy.


I recall that's the arrangement they currently have in Canada already, after pre-Albertsons Safeway sold off their Canada division tO Sobeys.  Sobey's has continued use of the Safeway name for about a decade now.
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The question now is, can Kroger and Albertsons survive on their own?

Rothman

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on December 16, 2024, 05:21:21 AMThe question now is, can Kroger and Albertsons survive on their own?

Why couldn't they?  Is it because separately they don't have enough leverage with suppliers?
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thenetwork

Albertsons is pretty much Safeway, at least in my neck of the woods, as their weekly savings circulars are exactly the same.  Personally, the stores under the Albertsons name seems to have nicer employees and feel more inviting than Safeways.

Kroger will continue to survive on their own while Albertons will continue to ride Safeway's coattails.

elsmere241

Quote from: thenetwork on December 16, 2024, 09:21:09 AMAlbertsons is pretty much Safeway, at least in my neck of the woods, as their weekly savings circulars are exactly the same.  Personally, the stores under the Albertsons name seems to have nicer employees and feel more inviting than Safeways.

Kroger will continue to survive on their own while Albertons will continue to ride Safeway's coattails.

Around here, we have both Acme and Safeway, both owned by Albertsons.  Before Albertsons bought Safeway, Safeway (around 2002) bought a regional chain called Genuardi's.  They tried to keep the Genuardi's name (though not in Delaware) and Safeway-ize the stores.  (I helped do that for a few nights that year.)  It flopped.  They had to fix things, with an ad campaign called "Genuardi's is back" but ultimately sold a lot of the stores that they'd acquired.

Scott5114

A lot of people here in Las Vegas are happy the merger is called off. Albertsons and Kroger are the two biggest players in the grocery market here.

Personally, I don't get the appeal either of them have. The Albertsons nearest to me is sort of small and has a limited selection, and their prices are high. I've only been in to a Smith's (Kroger) once, to grab a twelve-pack of soda, and they charged me $10 for it (price I was accustomed to in Oklahoma was $4.63, and WinCo usually has it for like $7 if it's not on sale). I don't see how either of them have enough customers to stay in business, myself.
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bandit957

Everyone around here is glad the merger is canceled, with the possible exception of the Cincinnati Enquirer, which kept running its yip about how great the merger would be.
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kkt

Many of the Kroger chains are pretty different from each other.  QFC having more upmarket grocers.  Fred Meyer trying to be a junior big box store.

Ted$8roadFan

I think Shaws/Star, our local Albertsons-owned chain, would have benefited from the merger. Now they will continue to fall behind their competitors.

thenetwork

Quote from: kkt on December 17, 2024, 09:30:39 PMMany of the Kroger chains are pretty different from each other.  QFC having more upmarket grocers.  Fred Meyer trying to be a junior big box store.


Fred Meyer is an interesting Kroger chain -- more like a smaller Super Walmart.  And they have/had a chain of jewelry stores in the malls as well.



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