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Started by LM117, September 30, 2024, 08:35:48 AM

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mgk920

Am I not alone here in my belief that there will someday (soon, likely) be a real, serious rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright'?  This including every aspect of it, such as what one can do with material, how it can be used and distributed and the lengths of protection terms, as far as including the aspect of its overall effect on the culture and history.  Disney keeping 'Song of the South' bottled up bottled up, even though it has been so long since it was made or the original news reports of the 2001-09-11 attacks are glaring examples.  OTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Mike


Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

ZLoth

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 12:37:49 PMOTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Which version?
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mgk920

Quote from: ZLoth on October 04, 2024, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 12:37:49 PMOTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Which version?

the version that Woodrow Wilson considered to be his favorite film.

Mike

ZLoth

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 06:50:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 04, 2024, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 12:37:49 PMOTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Which version?

the version that Woodrow Wilson considered to be his favorite film.

There is the 1993 restoration, the 2011 restoration, and the public domain version.
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vdeane

Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 12:37:49 PMAm I not alone here in my belief that there will someday (soon, likely) be a real, serious rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright'?  This including every aspect of it, such as what one can do with material, how it can be used and distributed and the lengths of protection terms, as far as including the aspect of its overall effect on the culture and history.  Disney keeping 'Song of the South' bottled up bottled up, even though it has been so long since it was made or the original news reports of the 2001-09-11 attacks are glaring examples.  OTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Mike
One can only hope, but I'm not sure how likely it is given the power of corporate lobbyists.  Note how Micky Mouse almost entered public domain several times, but Disney kept intervening to get copyright protection extended.  I'm actually shocked that it was ever allowed to happen.

At this point, copyright is actually working against it originally intended purpose of facilitating the expansion of the body of artistic work.  It takes so long for things to go public domain that all but the timeless classics will be too old for anyone to care about them by the time that happens.  And for digitally produced works (like just about anything modern), they probably won't even exist by then!  And publishers shoving works in a vault and using copyright to prevent their distribution is entirely against the reason copyright law exists in the first place.  What needs to happen is for the term to be shortened drastically, and for copyright filers to be required to give a complete and unaltered copy of the work to the Library of Congress immediately when its finished so that it can distribute the work once it goes public domain.  We don't need more works to end up like Batgirl or Song of the South.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Scott5114

Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2024, 07:49:34 AMI am of the viewpoint that the only way to TRULY cord-cut is to stop watching shows and movies.  You're either paying through the nose for cable, paying through the nose for satellite, or paying through the nose for both streaming services AND the Internet to use them.

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mgk920

#57
Quote from: vdeane on October 04, 2024, 10:10:16 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 04, 2024, 12:37:49 PMAm I not alone here in my belief that there will someday (soon, likely) be a real, serious rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright'?  This including every aspect of it, such as what one can do with material, how it can be used and distributed and the lengths of protection terms, as far as including the aspect of its overall effect on the culture and history.  Disney keeping 'Song of the South' bottled up bottled up, even though it has been so long since it was made or the original news reports of the 2001-09-11 attacks are glaring examples.  OTOH, has anyone in here seen 'Birth of a Nation', even though it is now public domain due to its age?

Mike
One can only hope, but I'm not sure how likely it is given the power of corporate lobbyists.  Note how Micky Mouse almost entered public domain several times, but Disney kept intervening to get copyright protection extended.  I'm actually shocked that it was ever allowed to happen.

At this point, copyright is actually working against it originally intended purpose of facilitating the expansion of the body of artistic work.  It takes so long for things to go public domain that all but the timeless classics will be too old for anyone to care about them by the time that happens.  And for digitally produced works (like just about anything modern), they probably won't even exist by then!  And publishers shoving works in a vault and using copyright to prevent their distribution is entirely against the reason copyright law exists in the first place.  What needs to happen is for the term to be shortened drastically, and for copyright filers to be required to give a complete and unaltered copy of the work to the Library of Congress immediately when its finished so that it can distribute the work once it goes public domain.  We don't need more works to end up like Batgirl or Song of the South.

In fact, that spirit of that law is in the main body of the US Constitution,
Article. I.  Section. 8. reads . . . "The Congress shall have Power . . . (pp 7) To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts . . ."

Current USA copyright law has strayed far from that ideal and a few years ago, Congress had no further appetite for any more protection term extensions.  (Hey, at least it's a start.)

Mike

froggie

Quote from: vdeane on October 03, 2024, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2024, 07:49:34 AMI am of the viewpoint that the only way to TRULY cord-cut is to stop watching shows and movies.  You're either paying through the nose for cable, paying through the nose for satellite, or paying through the nose for both streaming services AND the Internet to use them.
I feel like lumping internet costs in is a niche situation.  Internet service is practically a utility at this point, on par with electricity or phone/cell service, and outside of mobile hot spots, it costs the same whether you stream a little, a lot, or not at all.

Yes, Internet is essentially a utility.  But I would disagree that lumping Internet costs in is "niche".  Streaming is bandwidth-intensive, and many of us in rural areas either don't have that level of bandwidth available, or are paying much more for it than for a basic Internet package.

vdeane

Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 03, 2024, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2024, 07:49:34 AMI am of the viewpoint that the only way to TRULY cord-cut is to stop watching shows and movies.  You're either paying through the nose for cable, paying through the nose for satellite, or paying through the nose for both streaming services AND the Internet to use them.
I feel like lumping internet costs in is a niche situation.  Internet service is practically a utility at this point, on par with electricity or phone/cell service, and outside of mobile hot spots, it costs the same whether you stream a little, a lot, or not at all.

Yes, Internet is essentially a utility.  But I would disagree that lumping Internet costs in is "niche".  Streaming is bandwidth-intensive, and many of us in rural areas either don't have that level of bandwidth available, or are paying much more for it than for a basic Internet package.
Meanwhile, in the urban/suburban areas, a internet service with that level of bandwidth IS the basic Internet package.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

froggie

^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

Rothman

Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...


I'm able to stream HD video just fine with my basic Internet through Verizon FiOS.
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vdeane

Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Rothman

Quote from: vdeane on October 13, 2024, 07:15:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.

I think he was trying to refer to speed rather than data.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

mgk920

Quote from: vdeane on October 12, 2024, 08:42:16 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 03, 2024, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 03, 2024, 07:49:34 AMI am of the viewpoint that the only way to TRULY cord-cut is to stop watching shows and movies.  You're either paying through the nose for cable, paying through the nose for satellite, or paying through the nose for both streaming services AND the Internet to use them.
I feel like lumping internet costs in is a niche situation.  Internet service is practically a utility at this point, on par with electricity or phone/cell service, and outside of mobile hot spots, it costs the same whether you stream a little, a lot, or not at all.

Yes, Internet is essentially a utility.  But I would disagree that lumping Internet costs in is "niche".  Streaming is bandwidth-intensive, and many of us in rural areas either don't have that level of bandwidth available, or are paying much more for it than for a basic Internet package.
Meanwhile, in the urban/suburban areas, a internet service with that level of bandwidth IS the basic Internet package.

Ahhh, the joys of suburban, exurban or rural living!   :cool:

Mike

ZLoth

The availability of high-speed Internet was a major factor in selecting my home over five years ago. At that time, AT&T was still putting down the fiber in the neighborhood, but the cable broadband connectivity meant that the upload speed of my gigabit internet (35Mbps) was higher than my download speed of my ADSL connection (15-20Mbps). With fiber, I have almost gigabit upload and download speeds which allows me to stream from my own media server with no data caps.
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bm7

Quote from: vdeane on October 13, 2024, 07:15:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.

At least where I live, Mediacom has data limits on all but their most expensive plan.

SectorZ

Quote from: bm7 on October 13, 2024, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 13, 2024, 07:15:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.

At least where I live, Mediacom has data limits on all but their most expensive plan.

I think people already forgot that Comcast did, starting around 2010-2011 and it was 250 GB on the plan I had. Looks like it's 1.2 TB now.

They also apparently don't enforce it where Fios is competition.

ZLoth

I checked my usage for my network for the month of September:
  • Total data: 2,296 GB used
  • Download data: 855.61 GB used
  • Upload data: 1,440.86 GB used
Yes, it's a unlimited plan.
Don't Drive Distrac... SQUIRREL!

vdeane

Quote from: SectorZ on October 14, 2024, 09:03:49 AM
Quote from: bm7 on October 13, 2024, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on October 13, 2024, 07:15:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.

At least where I live, Mediacom has data limits on all but their most expensive plan.

I think people already forgot that Comcast did, starting around 2010-2011 and it was 250 GB on the plan I had. Looks like it's 1.2 TB now.

They also apparently don't enforce it where Fios is competition.
I thought they were forced to abandon that?

I remember Charter trying as well.

Incidentally, one reason why I have Verizon FiOS is because, when I moved here, there were rumors Comcast might buy Time Warner, and I didn't want anything to do with them.  Time Warner was since bought by Charter and turned into Spectrum.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: ZLoth on October 14, 2024, 11:53:58 AMI checked my usage for my network for the month of September:
  • Total data: 2,296 GB used
  • Download data: 855.61 GB used
  • Upload data: 1,440.86 GB used
Yes, it's a unlimited plan.

Just curious, why is your upload quantity nearly twice your download? Big torrent seeder? :)

ZLoth

Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 14, 2024, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 14, 2024, 11:53:58 AMI checked my usage for my network for the month of September:
  • Total data: 2,296 GB used
  • Download data: 855.61 GB used
  • Upload data: 1,440.86 GB used
Yes, it's a unlimited plan.

Just curious, why is your upload quantity nearly twice your download? Big torrent seeder? :)

Besides working from home, I have set up a NAS server that serves several purposes. The primary reason is to store backups from two computers which have a backup job running at around midnight which, in turn gets backed up to a offsite cloud provider along with backups of several shared directories. That's the major chunk of that difference., Another minor part is streaming media (mostly music and audiobooks) from that server when I'm out and about.
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: ZLoth on October 14, 2024, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 14, 2024, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 14, 2024, 11:53:58 AMI checked my usage for my network for the month of September:
  • Total data: 2,296 GB used
  • Download data: 855.61 GB used
  • Upload data: 1,440.86 GB used
Yes, it's a unlimited plan.

Just curious, why is your upload quantity nearly twice your download? Big torrent seeder? :)

Besides working from home, I have set up a NAS server that serves several purposes. The primary reason is to store backups from two computers which have a backup job running at around midnight which, in turn gets backed up to a offsite cloud provider along with backups of several shared directories. That's the major chunk of that difference., Another minor part is streaming media (mostly music and audiobooks) from that server when I'm out and about.

Tell me to piss off if I'm being too personal, but why the need for nightly backups? I manage very large companies' databases and we only do backups once daily. These are 60 TB databases.

ZLoth

#73
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 14, 2024, 07:24:35 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 14, 2024, 06:43:53 PMBesides working from home, I have set up a NAS server that serves several purposes. The primary reason is to store backups from two computers which have a backup job running at around midnight which, in turn gets backed up to a offsite cloud provider along with backups of several shared directories. That's the major chunk of that difference., Another minor part is streaming media (mostly music and audiobooks) from that server when I'm out and about.

Tell me to piss off if I'm being too personal, but why the need for nightly backups? I manage very large companies' databases and we only do backups once daily. These are 60 TB databases.

Because I can. :) Also, I don't want to spend a excessive amount of time restoring my computer.

My backup scheme, as currently set, is that I do a nightly full backup followed by ten smaller incremental every night at 11:45 PM. I also do a regular backup of my work (scratch) drive (which includes my virtual machine drive), but those don't get a secondary backup. There is also plenty of items (including my media collection) where just backing them up to a external drive will do just fine. The cost of the offsite storage at Backblaze is less than $5 per month., although there is a cost of restoring the data from the online backups which would be cheaper than recreating the data.
Don't Drive Distrac... SQUIRREL!

froggie

Quote from: Rothman on October 13, 2024, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: vdeane on October 13, 2024, 07:15:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 12, 2024, 11:31:10 PM^ So what you're saying is you get 500+GB/mo as "basic"...

I've never even heard of data caps actually being implemented on residential internet plans.  A couple ISPs from other parts of the country made the news for attempting it, but never actually implemented it thanks to intense push-back.  So yes, unlimited data on wired internet is "basic" where I live.  I don't even have the slightest clue how much data I use each month.

I think he was trying to refer to speed rather than data.

No, I really was referring to data.  We're not cut off entirely when we reach our monthly quota, but additional bandwidth beyond costs extra.



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