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TV Shows With Great Ratings That Dropped

Started by roadman65, October 06, 2024, 09:13:15 PM

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JayhawkCO

Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2024, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 07, 2024, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 11:28:48 AMPrison Break. I will go on record saying the first season is one of the best in TV history, but they escaped at the end of the first season so how do you proceed with the show? Have them escape to Panama and then get caught and go to prison there? Lame. But, first season, amazing.

The show was called Prison Break, at some point the point was to break out.

The Panama season was lame, but the second season before that and fourth after it were both pretty good.

I mean, did Gilligan and the Skipper ever get off the island?

Yes.

After a reunion show, eleven years later. Not during the run of the sitcom.


Rothman

Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2024, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 07, 2024, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 11:28:48 AMPrison Break. I will go on record saying the first season is one of the best in TV history, but they escaped at the end of the first season so how do you proceed with the show? Have them escape to Panama and then get caught and go to prison there? Lame. But, first season, amazing.

The show was called Prison Break, at some point the point was to break out.

The Panama season was lame, but the second season before that and fourth after it were both pretty good.

I mean, did Gilligan and the Skipper ever get off the island?

Yes.

After a reunion show, eleven years later. Not during the run of the sitcom.

Whatever.  I just remember the Skipper bemoaning their missing of mini-skirts and Ginger rejecting sleazy movie producers and that's about it. :D
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SectorZ

Quote from: Rothman on October 07, 2024, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 07, 2024, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 11:28:48 AMPrison Break. I will go on record saying the first season is one of the best in TV history, but they escaped at the end of the first season so how do you proceed with the show? Have them escape to Panama and then get caught and go to prison there? Lame. But, first season, amazing.

The show was called Prison Break, at some point the point was to break out.

The Panama season was lame, but the second season before that and fourth after it were both pretty good.

I mean, did Gilligan and the Skipper ever get off the island?

Yes.

That and the title of Gilligan's Island didn't leave the uninitiated to think that they were stranded on it and wanted to leave. Prison Break kind of does.

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Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 07, 2024, 01:57:32 PMI mean, did Gilligan and the Skipper ever get off the island?

Funny... I just received that series today. I haven't watched that show since I was a young kid and it aired at 4 or 4:30 PM.
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mgk920

#30
I don't know if it was even a 'top rated' show, but after Gene Roddenberry died, Star TrekTNG) had a bad 'Jump the Shark' moment when envirowhackos got into the writers' room and imposed their cosmic 'speed limit' on the ship.  ( GggRRrrrr . . . )

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on October 07, 2024, 04:23:58 PMI don't know if it was even a 'top rated' show, but after Gene Roddenberry died, Star TrekTNG) had a bad 'Jump the Shark' moment when envirowhackos got into the writers' room and imposed their cosmic 'speed limit' on the ship.  ( GggRRrrrr . . . )

Mike

I don't know if that was a jump the shark episode. I think it was just a crappy episode - especially since the "speed limit" was completely ignored later that season.

tigerwings

"Without a trace" was in the top 20 when cancelled by CBS, due to cost.

"Blue Bloods" gets the same this season.

SectorZ

Quote from: tigerwings on October 07, 2024, 05:04:19 PM"Without a trace" was in the top 20 when cancelled by CBS, due to cost.

"Blue Bloods" gets the same this season.

Blue Bloods though I fear half their "viewers" are watching the back of their eyelids given the air time and demographics watching it.

vdeane

Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 07, 2024, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 07, 2024, 04:23:58 PMI don't know if it was even a 'top rated' show, but after Gene Roddenberry died, Star TrekTNG) had a bad 'Jump the Shark' moment when envirowhackos got into the writers' room and imposed their cosmic 'speed limit' on the ship.  ( GggRRrrrr . . . )

Mike

I don't know if that was a jump the shark episode. I think it was just a crappy episode - especially since the "speed limit" was completely ignored later that season.
They had a mention or two (always in the context of ignoring it), before just forgetting about it.  Deep Space Nine and Voyager never mentioned it at all, although Word of God is that the problem was eventually fixed and that this is why Voyager's nacelles move.  And doubly not an example for this thread because TNG was already planned to end after seven seasons when that episode aired (and work on Generations had already started).

Looking at the franchise as a whole, moving away from Picard and crew might be the point, or when they decided to use a pop song as a theme song.

It's too bad we don't have ratings data for Star Trek: Discovery.  The move to the 32nd Century was very controversial, with some saying it ruined the show and others saying it saved it.  I'm curious how the numbers actually shake out, but we don't have them.

Speaking of ratings, I looked at a couple other shows and noticed that Young Sheldon saw a noticeable drop when Sheldon graduated high school and went to college.  Once Upon a Time is interesting because it does this several times (warning: massive spoilers for multiple seasons in the rest of this post), first when it switches to half-season stories focused on specific guest characters, then again when Emma becomes the Dark One, then again when Robin Hood dies, and finally when it decides to continue past what essentially was the series finale and swap out most of the cast while doing a soft reboot on the setting and plot (I'm pretty sure the only reason we started to see other universes that were similar to the Enchanted Forest is because the producers wanted to do Cinderella even though they already did, and also because they couldn't get the actress who played Emma to come back as a regular so they needed an excuse for why Hook was there but not her).
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Henry

Quote from: roadman65 on October 07, 2024, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 07, 2024, 11:52:06 AMNewhart was a top show for many years, but fell off in its last two seasons.

It had the most unusual opening song for a sitcom.


They made a correction though after Season Two by firing Steven Kampman as Kirk.  Producers saw his storyline was one dimensional and that's when Peter Scolari was introduced as the adviser to Dick when he was on TV.  They kept it going after that, but it ran is course and lost more ideas to save it.

BTW that surprise ending was ingenious . Telling folks he died and instead waking up as Dr. Bob Hartley in the bed he slept in on his previous sitcom making Newhart a dream of his previous character. That was a great way to end the show.

Dallas did some influence on that show that paid off.
And there were some of other shows that mimicked the Newhart ending, such as The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson and Breaking Bad.

Two and a Half Men fell apart after Charlie Sheen got kicked off. Nothing against Ashton Kutcher, who did a fine job in its last four years, but it was Charlie who really carried the show.

Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer (the 80s TV series) had production interrupted when Stacy Keach got arrested, and when it got restarted as The New Mike Hammer, it tried a sexier approach, but unfortunately, it lost so much of its earlier edginess that led to its cancellation. One thing I remember most about that version was the brassier, more contemporary opening theme that replaced the slow, sultry number from before the arrest:

Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

Scott5114

Quote from: vdeane on October 07, 2024, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 07, 2024, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on October 07, 2024, 04:23:58 PMI don't know if it was even a 'top rated' show, but after Gene Roddenberry died, Star TrekTNG) had a bad 'Jump the Shark' moment when envirowhackos got into the writers' room and imposed their cosmic 'speed limit' on the ship.  ( GggRRrrrr . . . )

Mike

I don't know if that was a jump the shark episode. I think it was just a crappy episode - especially since the "speed limit" was completely ignored later that season.
They had a mention or two (always in the context of ignoring it), before just forgetting about it.  Deep Space Nine and Voyager never mentioned it at all, although Word of God is that the problem was eventually fixed and that this is why Voyager's nacelles move.  And doubly not an example for this thread because TNG was already planned to end after seven seasons when that episode aired (and work on Generations had already started).

Basically what happened here was they were trying to do a typical Star Trek roman a clef type thing, but once they did realize what a mistake they had made, since they'd basically written themselves into a corner. So they had to back the change out somehow, so sure, let's make Voyager wave its nacelles around and call it good.
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TheHighwayMan3561

#37
TNG's Season 7 highs were pretty high, but the lows of season 7 were probably generally the worst run since about season 2 with laughers like "Masks" and "Attached", and what is often considered the worst post-Season 1 episode in "Sub Rosa". Poor Dr. Crusher getting a rare featired episode for her character in that last one.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 07, 2024, 11:59:14 PMTNG's Season 7 highs were pretty high, but the lows of season 7 were probably generally the worst run since about season 2 with laughers like "Masks" and "Attached", and what is often considered the worst post-Season 1 episode in "Sub Rosa". Poor Dr. Crusher getting a rare featired episode for her character in that last one.

I think that was something that plagued a lot of the Star Trek series as they were wrapping them up.

"Hey, let's do a two-part DS9 episode that shows the horrors of war with them barely hanging on against the Dominion, followed up with a jaunty episode about Quark's mom making the Ferengi less ruthless."

"Hey, Seven of Nine has become almost fully human at this point, but she hasn't had sex yet. Let's pair her up with <spins wheel> Chakotay!"

vdeane

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 07, 2024, 11:59:14 PMTNG's Season 7 highs were pretty high, but the lows of season 7 were probably generally the worst run since about season 2 with laughers like "Masks" and "Attached", and what is often considered the worst post-Season 1 episode in "Sub Rosa". Poor Dr. Crusher getting a rare featired episode for her character in that last one.
Am I the only person who actually likes "Masks"?
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Rothman

The more I hear about Star Trek, the more glad I am I didn't get fully sucked down that rabbit hole.

Doctor Who's quite enough.
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Stephane Dumas

Besides casts changing who was a factor in decline, some shows changed networks. After 4 seasons on NBC, Get Smart switched to CBS who only lasted one season on CBS.  After being married Max and 99 got twins and I think it might have hurt the ratings. Still, the tv-movie reunion Get Smart Again aired on ABC and the short 1995 revival on Fox.

Jag got more lucky with the switch to CBS and got even a spin-off series named NCIS and some NBC executives still have regrets for cancelling Baywatch once it reached a bigger popularity in syndication. My Three Sons switched from ABC to CBS because CBS beginned to air in color and menaged to have new episodes until 1972.


KeithE4Phx

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 12, 2024, 01:27:24 PMBesides casts changing who was a factor in decline...

Speaking of cast changes, or in this case, additions, there was the poster child for jumping the shark, Ted McGinley.  Not only was he the 2nd JTS factor on Happy Days, there was also The Love Boat, Dynasty, and Married With Children, among others.  Not that McGinley's such an awful actor; it's just that he was brought in toward the end of some of these series and got a lot of good-natured grief for his shows' failing.  I'm sure he cried all the way to the bank.  :biggrin:
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Stephane Dumas

Quote from: KeithE4Phx on October 12, 2024, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 12, 2024, 01:27:24 PMBesides casts changing who was a factor in decline...

Speaking of cast changes, or in this case, additions, there was the poster child for jumping the shark, Ted McGinley.  Not only was he the 2nd JTS factor on Happy Days, there was also The Love Boat, Dynasty, and Married With Children, among others.  Not that McGinley's such an awful actor; it's just that he was brought in toward the end of some of these series and got a lot of good-natured grief for his shows' failing.  I'm sure he cried all the way to the bank.  :biggrin:

In the case of Happy Days, if it wasn't a 2nd JTS, it might be a nuke the fridge moment. Besides Ted McGinley, there was also producer and director Fred Fredburger, who directed the last season of Star Trek and the 2nd season of Space 1999 got the reputation of being a "show killer". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Freiberger#Negative_reputation_in_science_fiction_fandom

TheHighwayMan3561

#44
NBC wanted to axe Trek after season 2, but due in part to a famous letter writing campaign the show was spared. The network subsequently further cut the show's already infamously low budget and moved it to the Friday night death slot, which is much more why Season 3 is less well regarded.
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akotchi

Quote from: vdeane on October 08, 2024, 12:53:27 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 07, 2024, 11:59:14 PMTNG's Season 7 highs were pretty high, but the lows of season 7 were probably generally the worst run since about season 2 with laughers like "Masks" and "Attached", and what is often considered the worst post-Season 1 episode in "Sub Rosa". Poor Dr. Crusher getting a rare featired episode for her character in that last one.
Am I the only person who actually likes "Masks"?
No, you are not. I thought it was a pretty decent episode.
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Stephane Dumas

Batman '66 started strong but ratings was falling ratings and even the introduction of Batgirl didn't helped and there was also budget cuts then ABC cancelled Batman but there was once some plans for a season 4 when NBC showed some interest but they dropped once they learned then the show sets was already destroyed. https://bamsmackpow.com/posts/why-batman-1966-tv-show-was-cancelled-why-season-4-didnt-happen



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