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I-49 Inner-city Connector(Shreveport)

Started by Plutonic Panda, September 23, 2021, 04:42:16 PM

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bwana39

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Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 21, 2025, 11:34:17 AMI don't see the ICC beginning construction until at least 2030. That is, if the locals will allow it. Once it is completed, I expect it to be a crucial link in Shreveport's freeway system.

The locals that oppose it are two small, but very vocal groups. The total number is probably less than 100 people total (in a city of 175,000). Some of them do not even reside in SBC.

The first are residents of a group of houses the Fuller Center built seemingly in the middle of the ROW. Most of, if not all of them are Katrina Refugees.

The other group are the againers. Few of them are from between I-20 and Cross Bayou. They are "again(st)" everything that does not directly fund the needs they perceive the community needs. I agree with them seeing the needs. The problem is that the way Federal Funds work, they cannot be diverted to non-highway projects.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.


vdeane

Quote from: bwana39 on January 21, 2025, 09:58:59 PMThe problem is that the way Federal Funds work, they cannot be diverted to non-highway projects.
This is something I wish more people understood.  There's always the thought "we shouldn't be funding the highway, we should fund [x, y, z] instead".  In reality, if the highway doesn't get funded, some other highway will.  The funds go by purpose and then get allocated to communities - not the other way around.
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silverback1065

Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2025, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on January 21, 2025, 09:58:59 PMThe problem is that the way Federal Funds work, they cannot be diverted to non-highway projects.
This is something I wish more people understood.  There's always the thought "we shouldn't be funding the highway, we should fund [x, y, z] instead".  In reality, if the highway doesn't get funded, some other highway will.  The funds go by purpose and then get allocated to communities - not the other way around.

I think very very very few people know this. hell, I will admit I didn't fully appreciate this fact!

vdeane

Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2025, 06:08:04 PMI think very very very few people know this. hell, I will admit I didn't fully appreciate this fact!
Even within highway money it gets subdivided further, so even moving from one road to another can have issues.  The phrase "different colors of money" gets thrown around a lot at NYSDOT, and they're not talking about Canadian currency.
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Rothman

Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2025, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2025, 06:08:04 PMI think very very very few people know this. hell, I will admit I didn't fully appreciate this fact!
Even within highway money it gets subdivided further, so even moving from one road to another can have issues.  The phrase "different colors of money" gets thrown around a lot at NYSDOT, and they're not talking about Canadian currency.

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abqtraveler

Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2025, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2025, 06:08:04 PMI think very very very few people know this. hell, I will admit I didn't fully appreciate this fact!
Even within highway money it gets subdivided further, so even moving from one road to another can have issues.  The phrase "different colors of money" gets thrown around a lot at NYSDOT, and they're not talking about Canadian currency.
And if you run out of one "color of money" to fund something, it is possible to re-program money from another pot. If the amount to be reprogrammed is small, it can be done through Below Threshold Reprogramming (BTR), which doesn't require congressional approval, and can be done fairly quickly with agency approval and congressional notification. However, congressional approval is required if the amount to be re-programmed is above a certain dollar amount. As you can imagine, that's called Above Threshold Reprogramming (ATR). I don't know how long the ATR process is for highways, but for Department of Defense military construction, it's a 6 to 9 month process.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

Rothman

Quote from: abqtraveler on January 22, 2025, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 22, 2025, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 22, 2025, 06:08:04 PMI think very very very few people know this. hell, I will admit I didn't fully appreciate this fact!
Even within highway money it gets subdivided further, so even moving from one road to another can have issues.  The phrase "different colors of money" gets thrown around a lot at NYSDOT, and they're not talking about Canadian currency.
And if you run out of one "color of money" to fund something, it is possible to re-program money from another pot. If the amount to be reprogrammed is small, it can be done through Below Threshold Reprogramming (BTR), which doesn't require congressional approval, and can be done fairly quickly with agency approval and congressional notification. However, congressional approval is required if the amount to be re-programmed is above a certain dollar amount. As you can imagine, that's called Above Threshold Reprogramming (ATR). I don't know how long the ATR process is for highways, but for Department of Defense military construction, it's a 6 to 9 month process.

Over the course of my career, I have never heard these terms applied to transportation funding.

Transfers between fund sources in transportation funding definitely does not require congressional approval.  Transportation funding is handled through framework by its own titles in federal law (e.g., Title 23)

Sounds like you're taking a process from defense spending and applying it inappropriately to transportation funding.

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