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Started by ZLoth, November 12, 2024, 06:02:17 PM

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ZLoth

Just for fun... what modern cars or car brands won't you touch even if you could afford them. By "modern", I'm defining it as "current or past four model years", and include a reason.

For starters, here is my list:

  • Tesla - There are multiple obvious reasons, including the escapee from a 1990s video game called a Cybertruck
  • Any vehicle that lacks Android Auto. If I used a IPhone, any vehicle that lacks Car Play
  • Hyandai/Kia - Vehicle theft issues that could cause higher than expected insurance costs
  • Any electric car
  • Any German car due to maintenance issues

Thanks, but I prefer my dullmobiles.
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Takumi

Honestly, pretty much all of them. Everything I've been interested in that's been put out in the past few years is either uninteresting, out of my budget (the dichotomy of Toyota, with anything of theirs that interests me starting at 45 grand and up), showing reliability issues with age (looking at you, Honda, with your revolving door of recalls), or on an ancient chassis (the bones of the Lexus IS date back to 2005). I have no problem with electric vehicles and would consider the upcoming Honda Prelude if the other hybrid Hondas didn't have current recalls out for faulty fuel pumps.

The Mazda 3 is on my list of potential buys though.
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Scott5114

Mine is similar to the list in the OP, except that I'd definitely jump on an EV if I could afford it, and I couldn't give two shits about having a Auto Play Car Android or whatever since we have a perfectly good radio station in Las Vegas. Hyundai/Kia being a Big No is probably higher on the list, though, since Las Vegas is a high-crime city and Hyundai/Kia vulnerabilities are well known to the local thieves.
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SectorZ

Quote from: Takumi on November 12, 2024, 06:56:30 PMThe Mazda 3 is on my list of potential buys though.

You get a recommend from me at least. Love my 2016. Not sure how the current (2019-2025) generation is compared to mine, but I've had 8 years/98K miles of trouble free existence with it. Love the gas mileage and the back roads handling of it. I can even cram my road bicycle in whole with the seat down with the hatchback.

ZLoth- I am almost entirely with you on your five. Even if I had unlimited money I wouldn't buy any car that involves too much money to maintain just because of the pain involved.

Max Rockatansky

Anything from GM.  The 2010 Camaro SS and 2014 Sonic LT turbo were complete trash.  The build quality by far was the worst on those two cars over anything else I owned.  GM moving towards being an EV CUV company just adds to my lack of desire to buy another of their products. 

I don't see myself as Tesla guy, gadgets and smug car lack of charm don't do it for me. 

SectorZ

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2024, 07:44:51 PMAnything from GM.  The 2010 Camaro SS and 2014 Sonic LT turbo were complete trash.  The build quality by far was the worst on those two cars over anything else I owned.  GM moving towards being an EV CUV company just adds to my lack of desire to buy another of their products. 

I will add the only non-Nissan Japanese car I'd never consider is the Honda Prologue, given it's just a Chevy Blazer EV with Apple Carplay.

hbelkins

Anybody who took a bailout back several years ago. That rules out any GM brand, for starters -- which sucks because in my life I've owned an Oldsmobile, two Chevys, and two Saturns, and am now driving an old Chevy pickup. No more Government Motors.
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: SectorZ on November 12, 2024, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 12, 2024, 07:44:51 PMAnything from GM.  The 2010 Camaro SS and 2014 Sonic LT turbo were complete trash.  The build quality by far was the worst on those two cars over anything else I owned.  GM moving towards being an EV CUV company just adds to my lack of desire to buy another of their products. 

I will add the only non-Nissan Japanese car I'd never consider is the Honda Prologue, given it's just a Chevy Blazer EV with Apple Carplay.

Nissan might be a tough sell for me also.  Big Altima Energy has buried the Nissan brand reputation.

jeffandnicole

I've been partial to Japanese vehicles.  Owned a Nissan, then a Toyota, then since 2003 numerous Hondas.
 
What I won't purchase unless I absolutely had to - many American cars - Fords, Chevys, etc.

Takumi

Quote from: SectorZ on November 12, 2024, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 12, 2024, 06:56:30 PMThe Mazda 3 is on my list of potential buys though.

You get a recommend from me at least. Love my 2016. Not sure how the current (2019-2025) generation is compared to mine, but I've had 8 years/98K miles of trouble free existence with it. Love the gas mileage and the back roads handling of it. I can even cram my road bicycle in whole with the seat down with the hatchback.

I don't like the styling of the current gen 3 hatch, but it does look like a compelling package. I'd get a 2022 or newer turbo sedan; I say 2022 because that was the year Mazda finally got the turbo engine sorted. I like the 6 better, as it has better suspension and a nicer interior, but it was discontinued in the US after 2021. Before 2021, the 2.5T had cylinder head cooling issues that led to the head cracking, and in 2021 it had pandemic-affected cheaper valve seals that led to oil consumption. The latter is an easier fix so I would consider a 2021 6.

If not for Honda's current woes I would get a 2023+ Accord hybrid. But I don't want my car randomly catching on fire because the fuel pump broke.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

wriddle082

It would be a much shorter list if I just went by what I would purchase and why:

* Honda, because over the years they seem to really get what is practical to consumers.  The last one I ever drove was actually a rental (I know, this is rare) CRV a couple of years ago.  The Apple CarPlay was flawless, the other misc. infotainment and other dashboard setting options seemed logical and useful, the automated cruise control seemed to function flawlessly, and the same reliable Honda driving experience seemed to still be there, based on my experience owning an Element bought new from 2004 to 2007.

* Jeep, mostly for nostalgia.  Had an XJ Cherokee for several years and enjoyed it immensely, especially the 4.0L inline 6, but of course they don't make those anymore.  But on two different occasions this year I have rented Wrangler 4XE's, which are the plug in hybrid four door models.  I really enjoyed driving them, and their infotainment systems seemed to work well.

* Toyota, but only as a last resort.  They're quite dull, but reliable.  I had two of them when I was younger, and grew bored of them even back then.

* Subaru, because the concept is appealing and practical.  Though the head gasket issue does concern me a bit, I think they have been trying to alleviate that issue over the past few years.

I would also consider Acura or Lexus as they are the luxury marques of two of the makes mentioned above, though they are out of my price range.  Just about any other brand not mentioned above, I have issues with and likely would not consider.

Max Rockatansky

FWIW my wife and I are both approaching 200,000 on our Subarus.  Neither has shown indications of a head gasket leak. 

The bigger problem I've found with Subaru is outrageously high labor costs for service.  The dealer in Fresno wanted $900 in labor to change my four plugs.  Instead I have changed them myself with the assistance of my bother in law on both vehicles.  I don't know how many people would be willing to go that far to change plugs or know someone with enough mechanical know how to help with the change.

vdeane

Quote from: Takumi on November 12, 2024, 06:56:30 PMshowing reliability issues with age (looking at you, Honda, with your revolving door of recalls)
Interestingly, my 2014 Civic has avoided all of that.  Aside from tire issues, the only non-routine repair it's needed is to replace a wheel bearing a year or two ago.  I wonder what happened to the company.
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Takumi

Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 12, 2024, 06:56:30 PMshowing reliability issues with age (looking at you, Honda, with your revolving door of recalls)
Interestingly, my 2014 Civic has avoided all of that.  Aside from tire issues, the only non-routine repair it's needed is to replace a wheel bearing a year or two ago.  I wonder what happened to the company.

The issues started with the next generation. 2016-2021 Civics had issues with the AC weakening prematurely, and the 1.5L turbo engine is...well, I'll be charitable and call it undercooked, with oil dilution issues in its early years and head gasket issues in recent years.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

Rothman

After owning my 2020 Nissan Rogue, I might not own a Nissan again.  I like some of its features, like the auto-stick and decent clearance, but maintenance issues have been a big concern and it has less than 100,000 miles on it.
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Henry

Quote from: hbelkins on November 12, 2024, 07:47:47 PMAnybody who took a bailout back several years ago. That rules out any GM brand, for starters -- which sucks because in my life I've owned an Oldsmobile, two Chevys, and two Saturns, and am now driving an old Chevy pickup. No more Government Motors.
Including me, my family has owned the first two makes that you mentioned, plus a couple of Cadillacs. But with the bailout thing and the push to become fully electric in 10 years, my current vehicle will likely be the last one I ever own from them. Stellantis is complete trash, and I refuse to own a Ford again, after my bad experience with the only one I ever had.

As for my next car, I'm gravitating towards either Honda or Toyota, as their quality is top-notch.
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kalvado

I would not touch Toyota with a 10' pole. They could cover up their unintended acceleration cluster foxtrot... But looks like things were business as usual for them.

wriddle082

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Quote from: Rothman on November 12, 2024, 09:39:36 PMAfter owning my 2020 Nissan Rogue, I might not own a Nissan again.  I like some of its features, like the auto-stick and decent clearance, but maintenance issues have been a big concern and it has less than 100,000 miles on it.

The JATCO CVT transmissions that Nissan has had a love affair with for the past ~15 years are complete and utter junk.  They have essentially ruined what Nissan may have had left of its less than sterling reputation which was already tarnished by BAE (Big Altima Energy), questionable lending practices, and Renault Nissan's former CEO being a fugitive of justice in Japan.

Quote from: kalvado on November 12, 2024, 10:00:34 PMI would not touch Toyota with a 10' pole. They could cover up their unintended acceleration cluster foxtrot... But looks like things were business as usual for them.

One could almost forgive Toyota for that blunder due to the fact that they had little to no experience with major safety recall campaigns because they have traditionally had such excellent quality, though nobody could bring back however many lives were lost or affected.  At least their current gas pedal design has the lower portion attached to the floorboard so nothing goes underneath it (think of what a gas pedal on a bus might look like, only smaller).

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Acura, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, Bentley, Bugatti, Buick, Cadillac, Canoo, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Fiat, GMC, Genesis, Honda, Hummer, Hyundai, Ineos, Infiniti, Jaguar, Karma, Kia, Lamborghini, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Lotus, Lucid, Maserati, Maybach, Mazda, McLaren, Mercedes, Mini, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Porsche, Ram, Rolls-Royce, Tesla, Volkswagen, VinFast, Volvo

SP Cook

In my life, I have owned, or been responsible as a manager, for many dozens of cars, from all companies.  One simple rule.  If the car was assembled by, or the engine or transmission was made by, a plant under the control of the UAW/CAW, hard pass. Any other car, made anywhere, including the US/Canada plants of so-called "foreign" brands, are A-OK.

Rothman

Quote from: SP Cook on November 13, 2024, 03:30:11 PMIn my life, I have owned, or been responsible as a manager, for many dozens of cars, from all companies.  One simple rule.  If the car was assembled by, or the engine or transmission was made by, a plant under the control of the UAW/CAW, hard pass. Any other car, made anywhere, including the US/Canada plants of so-called "foreign" brands, are A-OK.

Why?
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formulanone

Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 13, 2024, 02:57:37 PMAcura, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, Bentley, Bugatti, Buick, Cadillac, Canoo, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Fiat, GMC, Genesis, Honda, Hummer, Hyundai, Ineos, Infiniti, Jaguar, Karma, Lamborghini, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Lotus, Lucid, Maserati, Maybach, Mazda, McLaren, Mercedes, Mini, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Porsche, Ram, Rolls-Royce, Tesla, Volkswagen, VinFast, Volvo

Pfft, that's just the names of all your little ducks on your dashboard.

Saying you won't buy a Lamborghini is akin to saying you won't take the subway in Aberdeen, South Dakota.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: formulanone on November 13, 2024, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 13, 2024, 02:57:37 PMAcura, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, Bentley, Bugatti, Buick, Cadillac, Canoo, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Fiat, GMC, Genesis, Honda, Hummer, Hyundai, Ineos, Infiniti, Jaguar, Karma, Lamborghini, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Lotus, Lucid, Maserati, Maybach, Mazda, McLaren, Mercedes, Mini, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Porsche, Ram, Rolls-Royce, Tesla, Volkswagen, VinFast, Volvo

Pfft, that's just the names of all your little ducks on your dashboard.

Saying you won't buy a Lamborghini is akin to saying you won't take the subway in Aberdeen, South Dakota.

I actually don't have a Jeep anymore. If you notice, there are other brands that aren't on that list that I'd be interested in owning, including what I currently drive, a Subaru.

Even if I had fuck you money, I'd never buy a Lambo. Rent one? Sure. Own one? Hell no.

wriddle082

Quote from: Rothman on November 13, 2024, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on November 13, 2024, 03:30:11 PMIn my life, I have owned, or been responsible as a manager, for many dozens of cars, from all companies.  One simple rule.  If the car was assembled by, or the engine or transmission was made by, a plant under the control of the UAW/CAW, hard pass. Any other car, made anywhere, including the US/Canada plants of so-called "foreign" brands, are A-OK.

Why?

In this day and age, it's not the workmanship on the assembly line that determines the quality because that generation of union rank and file membership has long since retired.  Rather, it's the engineering.  GM had some great quality trucks in the 00's during a period when Ford had bad engines (namely the 5.4L 3-valve-per-cylinder Triton V8).  It had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the assembly line workers were represented by a union.

For the best feel on which car makes you should avoid or which ones you should consider, ask an independent mechanic.  Whatever he works on frequently, probably should be avoided.  Whatever he rarely touches, is probably a safe bet.



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