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Started by ZLoth, November 12, 2024, 06:02:17 PM

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hbelkins

The length of time it takes to charge an EV is the biggest reason I wouldn't want one. Anything longer than the time it takes to fill the tank with gas, take a leak, and maybe grab a snack or a drink, is wasted time that could be spent on the road.

Didn't Hyundai and Kia get their theft issues figured out?

I've owned a Toyota (a 2000 Tacoma 4WD truck) and liked it very much. "Boring" is not really something I'm worried about in terms of owning or driving a vehicle, especially as I've gotten older.

I'm about to come into  possession of a 2011 Chevy Impala. It belonged to my brother's recently-deceased father-in-law, and he's got a veritable used car lot in his yard, so he offered the vehicle to me. It only has about 110K miles on it, he said it runs and drives great, and will no doubt get better mileage than the 17 mpg my 1990 Chevy pickup with the 5.7-liter engine does.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: hbelkins on November 15, 2024, 03:48:25 PMThe length of time it takes to charge an EV is the biggest reason I wouldn't want one. Anything longer than the time it takes to fill the tank with gas, take a leak, and maybe grab a snack or a drink, is wasted time that could be spent on the road.

Didn't Hyundai and Kia get their theft issues figured out?

I've owned a Toyota (a 2000 Tacoma 4WD truck) and liked it very much. "Boring" is not really something I'm worried about in terms of owning or driving a vehicle, especially as I've gotten older.

I'm about to come into  possession of a 2011 Chevy Impala. It belonged to my brother's recently-deceased father-in-law, and he's got a veritable used car lot in his yard, so he offered the vehicle to me. It only has about 110K miles on it, he said it runs and drives great, and will no doubt get better mileage than the 17 mpg my 1990 Chevy pickup with the 5.7-liter engine does.

Yeah, Hyundai and Kia sorted out the theft issues, though vehicles that didn't get the fix are occasionally still stolen. I'm not entirely concerned about that, though, my beef is mainly with how difficult it is and how much it costs to maintain those vehicles.
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Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on November 15, 2024, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 15, 2024, 03:48:25 PMThe length of time it takes to charge an EV is the biggest reason I wouldn't want one. Anything longer than the time it takes to fill the tank with gas, take a leak, and maybe grab a snack or a drink, is wasted time that could be spent on the road.

Didn't Hyundai and Kia get their theft issues figured out?

I've owned a Toyota (a 2000 Tacoma 4WD truck) and liked it very much. "Boring" is not really something I'm worried about in terms of owning or driving a vehicle, especially as I've gotten older.

I'm about to come into  possession of a 2011 Chevy Impala. It belonged to my brother's recently-deceased father-in-law, and he's got a veritable used car lot in his yard, so he offered the vehicle to me. It only has about 110K miles on it, he said it runs and drives great, and will no doubt get better mileage than the 17 mpg my 1990 Chevy pickup with the 5.7-liter engine does.

Yeah, Hyundai and Kia sorted out the theft issues, though vehicles that didn't get the fix are occasionally still stolen. I'm not entirely concerned about that, though, my beef is mainly with how difficult it is and how much it costs to maintain those vehicles.
Not to mention that people still attempt to steal them, and the fixes that prevent them from getting stolen won't stop windows from getting smashed or other damage from the attempt to steal.  Rochester, NY had a huge problem with it, to the point where Kia and Hyundai vehicles around the area that weren't parked in a garage were practically guaranteed to get damaged and have to spend weeks/months in a shop (due to parts backlogs) if left parked for long enough (vehicles weren't even safe in reasonably trafficked areas during the day in the suburbs - my cousin has a story about a patient who ran out of the place she works in to confront car thieves he spotted trying to steal his car!).  As far as I'm aware, the "Kia Boyz" are still out there, though I haven't heard as many reports in the last couple months, so let's hope people are finally figuring out that this isn't worth it any more (although it's also possible that r/Rochester decided to clamp down on complaints of car theft attempts).
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: hbelkins on November 15, 2024, 03:48:25 PMThe length of time it takes to charge an EV is the biggest reason I wouldn't want one. Anything longer than the time it takes to fill the tank with gas, take a leak, and maybe grab a snack or a drink, is wasted time that could be spent on the road.

On the other hand, with an EV, you won't have to spend time every 300 miles to stop and get gas.  For most people, they get home, plug it in, then unplug it next time they go out.  Overall, you save time throughout the life of the car. 

Max Rockatansky

Right, but how many of us on this forum are into that "stay and never do anything" lifestyle?  I'm sure an EV would be great if I worked close to home and never traveled anywhere by car. 

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2024, 11:08:38 PMRight, but how many of us on this forum are into that "stay and never do anything" lifestyle?  I'm sure an EV would be great if I worked close to home and never traveled anywhere by car. 

Don't even need to work close to home.  My 82 mile round trip commute wouldn't be an issue.  A 200 mile trip from my home to Baltimore or NYC and back wouldn't be an issue.  If someone takes a lot of weekend trips, or has a job that allows them to travel frequently, the majority of people aren't getting out all that much.  And of those that do, they rent a car, they fly, or they have a 2nd car available. 

This is really no different than someone that owns a pickup truck without a 2nd row, yet has a family of 4.  The truck is fine for work or hauling stuff.  They probably have a 2nd vehicle for more family-type trips.  But I don't see anyone writing off pickup trucks because they can't do everything all the time.

LilianaUwU

My opinion about EVs is that the technology is nowhere near close to ready. Maybe in 20 years, but right now I don't think it's worth it.
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1995hoo

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2024, 11:08:38 PMRight, but how many of us on this forum are into that "stay and never do anything" lifestyle?  I'm sure an EV would be great if I worked close to home and never traveled anywhere by car. 

One reason I'm willing to consider one for my next car is that my wife and I currently have three cars, so if we replace one there would always be the option of using one of the other two for longer trips. Interesting thing, though, was that last January when we stopped right near the southern end of the Homestead Extension to charge before heading to the Keys, it didn't feel like all that long of a stop, maybe 15 or 20 minutes. Prior to stopping, I thought I would find it more tedious than I did.
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Right now I'm maxed out with four vehicles.  We'll see how the EV market progresses come the 2032-2033 models years when I'm likely next going to need a daily driver.  I have my doubts the entry level end of that vehicle market will be ready with a compromise free offering.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 15, 2024, 11:08:38 PMRight, but how many of us on this forum are into that "stay and never do anything" lifestyle?  I'm sure an EV would be great if I worked close to home and never traveled anywhere by car. 

Don't even need to work close to home.  My 82 mile round trip commute wouldn't be an issue.  A 200 mile trip from my home to Baltimore or NYC and back wouldn't be an issue.  If someone takes a lot of weekend trips, or has a job that allows them to travel frequently, the majority of people aren't getting out all that much.  And of those that do, they rent a car, they fly, or they have a 2nd car available. 

This is really no different than someone that owns a pickup truck without a 2nd row, yet has a family of 4.  The truck is fine for work or hauling stuff.  They probably have a 2nd vehicle for more family-type trips.  But I don't see anyone writing off pickup trucks because they can't do everything all the time.

It would be a significant issue for me right now at my 72 mile round trip commute.  Currently I don't have any fast charging capability infrastructure at my home.  That being the case I would need an EV that could reliably get 350-400 miles range in mostly highway speed driving.  Yes such EV models exist, but none are close to being competitive with the 25k MSRP I just bought a Corolla Hybrid for.   

I should note, I spent 26k on a new HVAC system this past summer.  That being the case any large scale infrastructure like a fast charging system or solar panels just isn't going to be a priority for a couple years.  I'm currently budgeting for replacing the fence next year.

Rothman

Although I technically own two cars currently, one's with my son and it's on its last legs.  I do not intend to replace it (he'll buy his first car).

Given the cost of insurance, maintenance and gas, getting a second car is hard for my wife and I to justify.  We both walk to work.  The only situation that concerns us is when one of us travels while leaving the other at home, but, although short-term inconvenient, renting a car for such sporadic cases (half-a-dozen a year at most) is cheaper overall.

An EV is just illogical for us.  The inconvenient charge time is just a killer for us, since we live in a multi-family unit.  As soon as the EV's charge time drops to five minutes for a true 350 mile range, I'll definitely consider it.
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mgk920

And as I've said in here before, turn araund time on recharging/refueling is one of the main reasons why straight battery-electric failed in the market over a century ago, in the earliest days of automobility.

Mike

jeffandnicole

Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 10:49:33 AMAnd as I've said in here before, turn araund time on recharging/refueling is one of the main reasons why straight battery-electric failed in the market over a century ago, in the earliest days of automobility.

Mike

Then again, most houses didn't have electricity in the early 1920s either. Around 35% of housing had electricity in 1920. By 1930, that increased to about 70%.  Kinda hard to have an EV when most people  century ago didn't have E or a V to begin with.

Should we talk about paved roads during that era also?

mgk920

Don't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

texaskdog

I hate mini-coopers.  Not for their look, it's the way people drive them, cutting people off, etc.  Told my fiancee that when we started dating and her car had gotten totaled getting hit by one.  We drove from Texas to Utah (through NM & AZ) and we got to Moab I commented about not seeing one mini-cooper on the trip.  Of course we went to Arches NP and ran into a mini-cooper road trip and had to see 100s. 

texaskdog

Quote from: SectorZ on November 12, 2024, 07:32:46 PM
Quote from: Takumi on November 12, 2024, 06:56:30 PMThe Mazda 3 is on my list of potential buys though.

You get a recommend from me at least. Love my 2016. Not sure how the current (2019-2025) generation is compared to mine, but I've had 8 years/98K miles of trouble free existence with it. Love the gas mileage and the back roads handling of it. I can even cram my road bicycle in whole with the seat down with the hatchback.

ZLoth- I am almost entirely with you on your five. Even if I had unlimited money I wouldn't buy any car that involves too much money to maintain just because of the pain involved.

I liked mine but when the ex wanted something different I took her hand me down and gave up my 3.  Though I wasn't heartbroken as the car ate tires like no other car.  I got a new set and then Discount told me I needed a new set and I was only at 17000 miles.  I said good you have a 40000 miles warranty and they didn't honor it.  Never gone back there since.

Max Rockatansky

What kind of tires were they?  If they were lasting only 17,000 miles the tread wear was probably in the 200s.  Sounds like they were trying to sell you performance tires when all-weather is what you needed.

1995hoo

Quote from: texaskdog on November 16, 2024, 01:47:22 PMI hate mini-coopers.  Not for their look, it's the way people drive them, cutting people off, etc.  Told my fiancee that when we started dating and her car had gotten totaled getting hit by one.  We drove from Texas to Utah (through NM & AZ) and we got to Moab I commented about not seeing one mini-cooper on the trip.  Of course we went to Arches NP and ran into a mini-cooper road trip and had to see 100s. 

Ms1995hoo test-drove a Mini Cooper before buying an Acura RSX instead. The Mini was a fun little car, but the two biggest things she decided were off-putting were that my head was right up against the ceiling and the glass roof did not have an opaque shade, such that the AC was struggling to keep the car cool on a Saturday in early May. That made us wonder what it would be like in the middle of summer.
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Rothman

Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

Rothman

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2024, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

Ah, the old fun myth that the government has the technology for water-powered cars but has suppressed their production... :D
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

1995hoo

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2024, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

It gets your home cleaner.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Takumi

Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2024, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

Ah, the old fun myth that the government has the technology for water-powered cars but has suppressed their production... :D

So there's this car that runs on water, man...
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mgk920

Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2024, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

Ah, the old fun myth that the government has the technology for water-powered cars but has suppressed their production... :D

Well, four wheels and an IC engine is much older tech than that. :-p~

(Now, back to our scheduled discussions of why some car brands are so much worse than others.)

Mike

formulanone

Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2024, 05:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 16, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 16, 2024, 01:02:11 PMDon't forget hat the initial push in the 'good roads' movement was from bicyclists.  Over a century ago, straight battery-electric cars had a very small 'niche' market, but never began to approach the level of being a practical transportation option.

Mike

I have no idea why the status of electric vehicles 100 years ago would be in any way comparable to the newer technology available today.

Much to my chagrin nobody wants to talk about steam powered cars.  A modern hybrid Stanley Steamer is weird retro future tech I can get behind.

Ah, the old fun myth that the government has the technology for water-powered cars but has suppressed their production... :D

Not much has suppressed it. We'd have to drive much larger vehicles than the porkiest of SUVs. Think full-size school busses, as we'd need 500+ gallons of water instead of 12-29 gallon gas tanks to supply the same unit of energy to provide combustion and engine motivation. In turn, larger and wider roads...




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