Nissan and Honda in merger talks

[thenetwork]

I am looking for a used non-hybrid/non EV car that's 1-2 years old because I would barely drive it (due to driving a company vehicle for work) and have been looking at auto reviews and overall ratings from reputable sources.

From what I have seen, there seems to be a concensus that some of the lower end Nissan vehicles (priced < $30,000) in recent years usually rank as pretty decent cars overall compared to similar body types -- usually in the 7-8 out of 10 rating -- with several other car companies ranking below them. 

What am I missing here?  I haven't heard many negative comments about the quality and reliability of the more recent Nissans, as all of the competing similar models have their share of shortcomings as well in the same categories. 

[Max Rockatansky]

I am looking for a used non-hybrid/non EV car that's 1-2 years old because I would barely drive it (due to driving a company vehicle for work) and have been looking at auto reviews and overall ratings from reputable sources.

From what I have seen, there seems to be a concensus that some of the lower end Nissan vehicles (priced < $30,000) in recent years usually rank as pretty decent cars overall compared to similar body types -- usually in the 7-8 out of 10 rating -- with several other car companies ranking below them. 

What am I missing here?  I haven't heard many negative comments about the quality and reliability of the more recent Nissans, as all of the competing similar models have their share of shortcomings as well in the same categories. 

The Nissan CVT is a cheap rubber band waiting to explode.  Avoid Big Altima Energy and pay a little more for something like a Toyota or Honda.  You'll save way more on the back side with maintenance.  Those Nissans are probably on the used car market near the end of the powertrain warranty awaiting someone foolish enough to lured in by low up front prices.

Right now the Nissan brand is getting raked much like Malaise era GM.  Trouble is nowadays people won't stay loyal to a cheap and faltering brand like they did in the 1980s.

[Rothman]

I am looking for a used non-hybrid/non EV car that's 1-2 years old because I would barely drive it (due to driving a company vehicle for work) and have been looking at auto reviews and overall ratings from reputable sources.

From what I have seen, there seems to be a concensus that some of the lower end Nissan vehicles (priced < $30,000) in recent years usually rank as pretty decent cars overall compared to similar body types -- usually in the 7-8 out of 10 rating -- with several other car companies ranking below them. 

What am I missing here?  I haven't heard many negative comments about the quality and reliability of the more recent Nissans, as all of the competing similar models have their share of shortcomings as well in the same categories. 

The Nissan CVT is a cheap rubber band waiting to explode.  Avoid Big Altima Energy and pay a little more for something like a Toyota or Honda.  You'll save way more on the back side with maintenance.  Those Nissans are probably on the used car market awaiting someone foolish enough to lured in by low prices.

You will not scare people away from buying my traded-in Rogue! (even if what you're saying is true) >:[

[thenetwork]

Looks like it's official...

https://www.kjct8.com/2024/12/23/honda-nissan-announce-plans-join-forces-forming-worlds-third-largest-automaker-by-sales/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2mg4HdPYr5bpVZ_6wZ3ooW0B7vfbyXDgRGwQfTp__ihJcQLwXPRijRsJA_aem_yaNCsFdd-U3BGIRVRw3LEQ

And it looks like Mitsubishi wants to join the club as well, though that part is not set in stone yet.

[ran4sh]

I hope that their product is more like Honda than Nissan

[RobbieL2415]

Just to give everyone an example of the ideal car that I would drive, when I mean I prefer "bare bones"
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/1df67510-99f9-4d72-b735-e0120823df67/

Infotainment, drive assist features, automatic transmission and power windows be damned. I don't even know if the Corolla CEs from this generation came standard with ABS.

This one is a close second:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/90626f12-ca2a-4a85-af45-4de31425ac25/

[SectorZ]

Side complaint from this story, every media outlet reaching out to fleeing felon-in-waiting Carlos Ghosn, the former CEO of Nissan. I feel some fawn all over this guy for destroying an already mediocre company and then fleeing Japan in a trunk when he got indicted for financial fraud.

Doesn't help that Netflix and Apple TV glorified him too.

[kernals12]

Looks like it's official...

https://www.kjct8.com/2024/12/23/honda-nissan-announce-plans-join-forces-forming-worlds-third-largest-automaker-by-sales/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2mg4HdPYr5bpVZ_6wZ3ooW0B7vfbyXDgRGwQfTp__ihJcQLwXPRijRsJA_aem_yaNCsFdd-U3BGIRVRw3LEQ

And it looks like Mitsubishi wants to join the club as well, though that part is not set in stone yet.

Mitsubishi is already 34% owned by Nissan, so not that surprising

[kernals12]

Side complaint from this story, every media outlet reaching out to fleeing felon-in-waiting Carlos Ghosn, the former CEO of Nissan. I feel some fawn all over this guy for destroying an already mediocre company and then fleeing Japan in a trunk when he got indicted for financial fraud.

Doesn't help that Netflix and Apple TV glorified him too.

It's hard to say he "destroyed" the company when you look at their US market share

[Henry]

Side complaint from this story, every media outlet reaching out to fleeing felon-in-waiting Carlos Ghosn, the former CEO of Nissan. I feel some fawn all over this guy for destroying an already mediocre company and then fleeing Japan in a trunk when he got indicted for financial fraud.

Doesn't help that Netflix and Apple TV glorified him too.

It's hard to say he "destroyed" the company when you look at their US market share

Where is Subaru on this list?

I see the merger going the way of DaimlerChrysler a couple of decades back: a good idea on paper that was very poorly executed.

[GaryV]

when I mean I prefer "bare bones"

A Yugo?

I see the merger going the way of DaimlerChrysler a couple of decades back

You mean it's really a take-over?

Q: "How do you pronounce 'DaimlerChrysler'?"

A: "'Daimler'. The 'Chrysler' is silent."

[SectorZ]

Side complaint from this story, every media outlet reaching out to fleeing felon-in-waiting Carlos Ghosn, the former CEO of Nissan. I feel some fawn all over this guy for destroying an already mediocre company and then fleeing Japan in a trunk when he got indicted for financial fraud.

Doesn't help that Netflix and Apple TV glorified him too.

It's hard to say he "destroyed" the company when you look at their US market share

Their cars are pieces of shit. Just because people buy them doesn't change my mind.

[Max Rockatansky]

Regular Car Reviews had a video on the Nissan financial situation today:

[Ted$8roadFan]

If this deal goes through, the goal must be to make Nissan more like Honda, not Honda more like Nissan.

[Max Rockatansky]

More likely some middle ground of the two.  Maybe that means a better Nissan product, but probably also a worse Honda.

[Takumi]

Realistically, I don't think much will change in the west with these brands. Maybe the next Ridgeline becomes a rebadged Frontier instead of a Pilot with a bed, and maybe Infiniti folds with the QX80 becoming a new Acura SLX. Otherwise the most likely things we'll see are Honda versions of the Leaf and Ariya.

[kernals12]

I will never forgive Nissan if they scuttle this pair of models Honda unveiled today at CES

[Max Rockatansky]

Honda planning making a door stopper on wheels?

[kernals12]

Honda planning making a door stopper on wheels?

This proves you just like disagreeing with me.

[vdeane]

I will never forgive Nissan if they scuttle this pair of models Honda unveiled today at CES

Yuck.  Even the Cybertruck looks better.

[Max Rockatansky]

I will never forgive Nissan if they scuttle this pair of models Honda unveiled today at CES

Yuck.  Even the Cybertruck looks better.

0 Series is quite name appropriate:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/honda-debuts-0-series-evs-with-new-ai-chip-level-3-self-driving-ces-2025

[Rothman]

Honda planning making a door stopper on wheels?

This proves you just like disagreeing with me.

Nah.  Just proves you have no taste.

[kernals12]

Honda planning making a door stopper on wheels?

This proves you just like disagreeing with me.

Nah.  Just proves you have no taste.

Apparently so do most automotive journalists

[Max Rockatansky]

Who said mainstream automotive journalists have taste?  All the big publications have been in decline most of this century.

[kernals12]

The Series 0 will also be equipped with an AI chipset capable of Level 3 autonomy. With that aerodynamic shape, it will be well suited to cruising at 150 mph on the automated superfreeways of tomorrow