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Former US President Jimmy Carter dead at 100

Started by bing101, December 29, 2024, 04:46:55 PM

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roadman65

#25
I remember the 1980 election very well. My mom voted for Reagan and my dad Carter. My dad only voted for Carter out of pity when polls were showing a blowout with Reagan beating the pants off ole Jimmy. He wanted Ronnie, but knew already he won so figured pull the lever for Carter anyway.

I was only 15 so I couldn't vote then. My first election I voted was Mondale- Reagan and voted for Fritz over Ronnie over the Star wars Weapon plan. Not too mention I didn't like Reagan either, but I was born in 65 and didn't become 18 until 1983.
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kernals12

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 30, 2024, 06:07:43 AMHe was a good guy but a horrible president.

He wasn't a horrible president. He was a mediocre President during a difficult time.

kernals12

Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2024, 05:11:49 PMI remember the Begin- Sadat Peace Treaty he brokered. 

I remember the way he handled the Hostage Crisis as he was chastised at that.

I don't remember the other things although the economy was not that great when he served.  However, Ford handled the economy badly too hence his one short term.

Back then both sides of the aisle would agree and if a president was bad, he was bad by fellow lay party members. Parties then weren't cult icons as they are today.

Neither Ford nor Carter "handled" the economy badly. The world economy was reeling from an unprecedented growth of the workforce that sent interest rates through the roof due to the increased demand for capital.

roadman65

#28
I also remember Ted Kennedy running in a primary against Carter.  Running against a sitting president in a primary is been traditionally non existent as we always allow a President the party nomination during reelection time.

But Carter was the first ( unless there were others at one time) that didn't get the default only candidate in a reelection primary as Ted Kennedy wanted to run for president over Jimmy Carter due to his failings.

K12^^^^^

I was too young to remember much of the economy, but many at the time did blame Ford and Carter for economic drawbacks.
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GaryV

#29
I was in college when Carter beat Ford. (I didn't vote for him; still think Ford was the better choice but that may be some hometown bias too.) It was the first presidential election I voted in.

In the college commons the next day, there was a poster to sign up to take a charter a bus to Australia.


roadman65

I also admired how both Ford and Carter buried their animosity towards one another once their election ended as the 1976 election was bitter. Not as bitter as the last three elections, but both were explicit in their tones then.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: kernals12 on December 30, 2024, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2024, 05:11:49 PMI remember the Begin- Sadat Peace Treaty he brokered. 

I remember the way he handled the Hostage Crisis as he was chastised at that.

I don't remember the other things although the economy was not that great when he served.  However, Ford handled the economy badly too hence his one short term.

Back then both sides of the aisle would agree and if a president was bad, he was bad by fellow lay party members. Parties then weren't cult icons as they are today.

Neither Ford nor Carter "handled" the economy badly. The world economy was reeling from an unprecedented growth of the workforce that sent interest rates through the roof due to the increased demand for capital.


And OPEC's iron grip control over most oil production.

kernals12

#32


It's remarkable how much the life expectancy of presidents has increased. Every one since Gerald Ford has lived into their 90s, and Nixon made it past 80. Before then, most kicked the bucket in their 60s. LBJ died 1 year before he would've become eligible for the Medicare program that he signed into law.



Also interesting is that America has consistently had 5-6 living Presidents since 1993, except for the brief period between Gerald Ford's death and Barack Obama's inauguration. 20 years earlier, in 1973, LBJ died, capping off a 10 year period with 5 Presidential deaths (JFK in 1963, Herbert Hoover in 1964, Eisenhower in 1969, and Harry Truman in 1972) leaving just the then-incumbent Richard Nixon as the only surviving President until his resignation 1 year later. 

Rothman

I'd like to know how they determined the number of future presidents.  Should probably talk to those people.
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roadman65

I remember the days when Dan Akeroyd was on SNL. He used to play Jimmy Carter in skits then and he did a great job in playing Jimmy Carter.
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2024, 06:15:09 PMI also admired how both Ford and Carter buried their animosity towards one another once their election ended as the 1976 election was bitter. Not as bitter as the last three elections, but both were explicit in their tones then.
Well it was a different time. Ford and Carter had their differences but both were fairly moderate members of their party who probably agreed on a lot. Nothing like today.
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kernals12

#36

Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2024, 10:49:25 PMI'd like to know how they determined the number of future presidents.  Should probably talk to those people.

It's very simple: they looked at when Presidents were born and could tell which future presidents were alive in any given year, hence the big drop since 1961 when our youngest living President, Obama, was born.

Otto Yamamoto

Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2024, 02:36:14 PMHow many posters here were actually alive and have a memory of the Carter administration (Jan. 20, 1977-Jan. 20, 1981)?

I was a teenager then, and I certainly remember his presidency.

I was in the Navy, then. We got the two largest pay rises in the last 50 years during his administration.

Rothman

Quote from: kernals12 on December 31, 2024, 12:57:33 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2024, 10:49:25 PMI'd like to know how they determined the number of future presidents.  Should probably talk to those people.

It's very simple: they looked at when Presidents were born and could tell which future presidents were alive in any given year, hence the big drop since 1961 when our youngest living President, Obama, was born.

Look at the number of future presidents in recent years, silly boy.  There are over five future presidents out there somewhere.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Flint1979

Quote from: bandit957 on December 30, 2024, 10:43:17 AMHe was the best President of the past 60 years.
He was much better after he was President than he was while he was President.

Flint1979

Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2024, 02:36:14 PMHow many posters here were actually alive and have a memory of the Carter administration (Jan. 20, 1977-Jan. 20, 1981)?

I was a teenager then, and I certainly remember his presidency.
I was born during his presidency.

Flint1979

Quote from: kernals12 on December 30, 2024, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 30, 2024, 06:07:43 AMHe was a good guy but a horrible president.

He wasn't a horrible president. He was a mediocre President during a difficult time.
He wasn't even mediocre. I stand by what I said.

roadman65

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 31, 2024, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 30, 2024, 06:15:09 PMI also admired how both Ford and Carter buried their animosity towards one another once their election ended as the 1976 election was bitter. Not as bitter as the last three elections, but both were explicit in their tones then.
Well it was a different time. Ford and Carter had their differences but both were fairly moderate members of their party who probably agreed on a lot. Nothing like today.

It was a different time then and people were different for sure. They considered voting a civic duty and picking a candidate that is the lesser of two evils where now everyone is treating their candidate as the chosen one to make the world utopia.

Back then if you made fun of a candidate no one would take offense and laugh along with the joke.  Look at Saturday Night Live when Dan Akeroyd roasted Jimmy Carter fans laughed and took no offense at it unlike today where people see that Alec Baldwin is imitating Trump and Trump followers get upset and get hasty.

People then respected each others opinions and never held grudges to anyone who had different likes.  Today people on Twitter point out that if you are a conservative ( if the account holder is liberal) that they don't want them following themselves at all. Ditto for Conservatives with Liberals on social media.  It's like we are at war with each other fueling the conspiracy theories galore of the Biblical prohephecies as those theories all talk about future disturbances.

Then if your a member of neither party you are treated as a member of the opposing party instead of accepting those as a neutral person. I got accused of voting for Obama when I wrote in my own candidate during the Romney vs Obama Election by a conservative intern at a local bar.  Then recently I got accused of being a Trump lover because I posted on Social Media that I saw no hope in a better country if either candidate won this past election.

People are so into politics more than ever these days and look for arguments rather than discussing.
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Mapmikey

#43
Quote from: Rothman on December 31, 2024, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on December 31, 2024, 12:57:33 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2024, 10:49:25 PMI'd like to know how they determined the number of future presidents.  Should probably talk to those people.

It's very simple: they looked at when Presidents were born and could tell which future presidents were alive in any given year, hence the big drop since 1961 when our youngest living President, Obama, was born.

Look at the number of future presidents in recent years, silly boy.  There are over five future presidents out there somewhere.

It's a wonky graph.  The future presidents graph is completely misleading.  The actual number is the difference between the past presidents and the future president's respective values on the graph.  So in 2000 the graph shows a difference of 3 (Obama, Trump, Biden) while the last year shows 0 difference as you would expect.  The past president value as implied in the graph is actually the total number of people alive that year who are/were/will become president.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: kernals12 on December 30, 2024, 10:01:55 PMt's remarkable how much the life expectancy of presidents has increased.

I'm not sure why you consider it "remarkable." There is a strong correlation between household income and life expectancy, especially among men. And former presidents possess both high income and ready access to some of the highest quality health care in the world.

hotdogPi

I'm wondering more why there was a drop in life expectancy from the first 10 or so presidents to the early 1900s.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: hotdogPi on December 31, 2024, 09:10:02 AMI'm wondering more why there was a drop in life expectancy from the first 10 or so presidents to the early 1900s.

The "Founding Fathers" were wealthy, land owners who did little menial labor. As the Presidency became more "democratic"  and drew more candidates from outside that wealth, the life expectancy started to mirror more the general public's.

Not to mention that a number of them were assassinated in the late 1800s.

SEWIGuy

#47
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 31, 2024, 08:02:58 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on December 30, 2024, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 30, 2024, 06:07:43 AMHe was a good guy but a horrible president.

He wasn't a horrible president. He was a mediocre President during a difficult time.
He wasn't even mediocre. I stand by what I said.

LOL. Do you think people care what you say if you provide no argument to back up your assertions?

1995hoo

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 31, 2024, 08:39:35 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 31, 2024, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on December 31, 2024, 12:57:33 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 30, 2024, 10:49:25 PMI'd like to know how they determined the number of future presidents.  Should probably talk to those people.

It's very simple: they looked at when Presidents were born and could tell which future presidents were alive in any given year, hence the big drop since 1961 when our youngest living President, Obama, was born.

Look at the number of future presidents in recent years, silly boy.  There are over five future presidents out there somewhere.

It's a wonky graph.  The future presidents graph is completely misleading.  The actual number is the difference between the past presidents and the future president's respective values on the graph.  So in 2000 the graph shows a difference of 3 (Obama, Trump, Biden) while the last year shows 0 difference as you would expect.  The past president value as implied in the graph is actually the total number of people alive that year who are/were/will become president.

A situation like we have right now makes it a bit screwier in that one of the past presidents now living is also a future president. (The other three living past presidents are all constitutionally ineligible to be future presidents, of course.)

What makes any chart of that sort difficult is that by definition, we know that there are living future presidents now (other than Trump) because you have to be 35 years old at the time you are sworn in. The person who will take office in 2029 is now living, for example, as are the people who will take office in 2033, 2037, 2041, 2045, 2051, and 2055—we just don't know who those people are yet. (The person who will be sworn in in 2061 is probably alive now as well, of course. Thirty-five years prior to January 2061 is January 2026, so in theory someone not yet born today could become president that year, but given that the youngest person ever elected was 43 and the youngest person ever to become president was 42, the chances of someone that young becoming president seem very slim in my view.) But even knowing that those people are alive now doesn't give you a way to be able to tell how many future presidents are alive at any one point because you can't account for whether a given president will serve one term or two, whether there are any "unscheduled" presidencies (if a president dies in office, resigns, or is removed), whether there might again be a "once and future president" in the Cleveland–Trump scenario, etc.
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kernals12

#49
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 31, 2024, 09:10:02 AMI'm wondering more why there was a drop in life expectancy from the first 10 or so presidents to the early 1900s.

If LBJ, the last president to die relatively young, is any indication, the mass production of cigarettes and liquor didn't help



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