Worst control city on an interstate in your state

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hotdogPi

Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.
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Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

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JayhawkCO

Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

Sigh. But to use an example like I did earlier, there's nothing more prominent in between the Bay Area and NYC on I-80 either. That's not good reasoning.

thspfc

From Tampa it should be Fort Myers + Miami and then Naples + Miami. If I had to choose one it would be just Miami.

From Miami it should be Naples + Tampa and then Fort Myers + Tampa. If I had to choose one it would be just Tampa.

thspfc

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

Sigh. But to use an example like I did earlier, there's nothing more prominent in between the Bay Area and NYC on I-80 either. That's not good reasoning.
I know this isn't the point of the post, but, . . . Chicago.

pianocello

Quote from: hbelkins on August 06, 2022, 11:26:09 PM
Kentucky's make sense with the exception of using Fulton on I-69. Dyersburg or Memphis would make more sense, and it's possible Fulton will change once I-69 is complete. I guess it was used because Fulton was listed for the Purchase Parkway.

Otherwise, Kentucky's are pretty logical.

I may be a bit biased, but I've thought that Evansville should be used on I-69 NB instead of Henderson. Maybe they will change it when the new bridge is opened to make I-69 continuous across the state line.

Similarly, I would say one of Indiana's bad offenders is no control city on I-69 NB from Evansville northward. I get that INDOT is waiting for it to be finished before they can sign Indianapolis, but I would have thought that completing the roadway up to Bloomington is enough to update the signage.

Iowa's control cities are generally pretty good, although I think Omaha would make more sense for I-80 WB than Council Bluffs.




Quote from: michravera on August 07, 2022, 02:56:55 AM
So, [in California] we are often stuck with things like "Other Desert Cities" to avoid using some small town in a neighboring state that few would know...

I've never considered Phoenix to be a small town, but ok
Davenport, IA -> Valparaiso, IN -> Ames, IA -> Orlando, FL -> Gainesville, FL -> Evansville, IN

JayhawkCO

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

Sigh. But to use an example like I did earlier, there's nothing more prominent in between the Bay Area and NYC on I-80 either. That's not good reasoning.
I know this isn't the point of the post, but, . . . Chicago.

Yeah. Good call. Brain fart.

ran4sh

Quote from: pianocello on August 07, 2022, 12:15:17 PM

Quote from: michravera on August 07, 2022, 02:56:55 AM
So, [in California] we are often stuck with things like "Other Desert Cities" to avoid using some small town in a neighboring state that few would know...

I've never considered Phoenix to be a small town, but ok

California *does* use Phoenix once you reach those "other desert cities" being referred to. Although some people think Phoenix should be used all the way from LA, which is reasonable to me.
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:30:10 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

Sigh. But to use an example like I did earlier, there's nothing more prominent in between the Bay Area and NYC on I-80 either. That's not good reasoning.
I know this isn't the point of the post, but, . . . Chicago.

Yeah. Good call. Brain fart.
Unless you don't count Chicago as being "on" I-80.
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TheHighwayMan3561

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Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?

thspfc

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

New Haven, Providence...

thspfc

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 07, 2022, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

New Haven, Providence...
I know.

ran4sh

#63
Well, there's the issue that a lot of NYC-Boston traffic prefers I-91 north to I-84 east to I-90/Mass Pike east. If that route is indeed shorter than thru I-95, then NYC should be a control city on that route (and I-95 should probably be shifted to that route).
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

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roadman65

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ran4sh

They wouldn't lose the road, it would just have a different Interstate number. Such as 97, 99, or an x95.
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

Travel Mapping - Most Traveled: I-40, 20, 10, 5, 95 - Longest Clinched: I-20, 85, 24, 16, NJ Tpk mainline
Champions - UGA FB '21 '22 - Atlanta Braves '95 '21 - Atlanta MLS '18

JayhawkCO

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

Fine. How about NYC to DC?

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
Well, there's the issue that a lot of NYC-Boston traffic prefers I-91 north to I-84 east to I-90/Mass Pike east. If that route is indeed shorter than thru I-95, then NYC should be a control city on that route (and I-95 should probably be shifted to that route).

It is in spots.  NYC is a control for I-84 West at Mass Pike Exit 78.  It's also a control for I-84 Exit 57 to CT 15 (though I wish they'd replace "Charter Oak Br"  with "New Haven" ) and for CT 15 Exit 86 to I-91 South.  Of course, it's also a control again 68 miles west of there for I-684 in Brewster.  Conversely, Boston is only used at the I-91 Exit to CT 15 that connects to I-84, and is a control for mainline 84 itself (though it ends 55 miles short in Sturbridge and requires the Mass Pike, but that's fine).
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ran4sh

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

Fine. How about NYC to DC?

Virginia doesn't use NYC as a control city per se, but they do have a sign for I-95 NB traffic approaching the I-495 beltway, indicating the route to NJ and NY.
Control cities CAN be off the route! Control cities make NO sense if signs end before the city is reached!

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Ned Weasel

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:45:39 PM
Fine. How about NYC to DC?

Philadelphia needs to be a control city on I-95 in order to differentiate it from the New Jersey Turnpike south of Exit 6.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
Well, there's the issue that a lot of NYC-Boston traffic prefers I-91 north to I-84 east to I-90/Mass Pike east. If that route is indeed shorter than thru I-95, then NYC should be a control city on that route (and I-95 should probably be shifted to that route).


Neither making NYC a control city on that route or shifting the number makes any sense.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 07, 2022, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2022, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 07, 2022, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 07, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 07, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
The point remains that it's silly to sign a control city only for the reason that the highway in question is the quickest way between two points. If there's a prominent city in between, that should be the default.

There's nothing more prominent than Tampa or Miami in between Tampa and Miami.

There's nothing more prominent than Dallas or Atlanta in between Dallas and Atlanta.

That's not apples-to-apples. Naples is not Birmingham, or even Shreveport. I get your point, but that's probably not the best example to argue with.

The distance is also a factor. A lot shorter from Miami to Tampa than Atlanta to Dallas.

Boston to New York then?
New York is a no-brainer for I-95 SB in Boston. And I wouldn't hate Boston for I-95 NB in NYC.

New Haven, Providence...
I know.

Then it's not a "no brainer."

SkyPesos

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 08, 2022, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
Well, there's the issue that a lot of NYC-Boston traffic prefers I-91 north to I-84 east to I-90/Mass Pike east. If that route is indeed shorter than thru I-95, then NYC should be a control city on that route (and I-95 should probably be shifted to that route).


Neither making NYC a control city on that route or shifting the number makes any sense.
Massachusetts signs NYC as a second control city (along with Hartford) for I-84 WB at its exit from I-90 WB already.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: SkyPesos on August 08, 2022, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 08, 2022, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on August 07, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
Well, there's the issue that a lot of NYC-Boston traffic prefers I-91 north to I-84 east to I-90/Mass Pike east. If that route is indeed shorter than thru I-95, then NYC should be a control city on that route (and I-95 should probably be shifted to that route).


Neither making NYC a control city on that route or shifting the number makes any sense.
Massachusetts signs NYC as a second control city (along with Hartford) for I-84 WB at its exit from I-90 WB already.


A secondary control city is fine. 

hobsini2

Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2022, 07:16:48 PM
Maybe Tomah as the primary control for I-90 west at the 90/94 split. You're already in Tomah at that point, and certain parts of the town are more accessible via I-94. It would be better to use La Crosse and then Rochester, or just La Crosse.

Wasn't Tomah at one point not too long ago (80s) just the southern part and the other part was North Tomah? I may misremember that.
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