New York

[D-Dey65]

There are signs for the eastbound one, and the slapped together parking area by NY 111 that was built from the DOT garage area.

You know, that area is where NY 347 was supposed to end.

[mariethefoxy]

There are signs for the eastbound one, and the slapped together parking area by NY 111 that was built from the DOT garage area.

You know, that area is where NY 347 was supposed to end.

were they planning to run 347 down Simeon Woods Road and thru the county offices area?

[D-Dey65]

There are signs for the eastbound one, and the slapped together parking area by NY 111 that was built from the DOT garage area.

You know, that area is where NY 347 was supposed to end.

were they planning to run 347 down Simeon Woods Road and thru the county offices area?

Yes, it was going to leave Simeon Woods Road just north of Rabro Drive, then curve northeast towards the current terminus at NY 454.

[MASTERNC]

Supposedly NY is using the work zone speed cameras in isolated areas (such as I-84 near Connecticut), yet there is no mention of the program on any New York website.  Would have thought a list of locations online was a requirement like in other states.

[Rothman]

Supposedly NY is using the work zone speed cameras in isolated areas (such as I-84 near Connecticut), yet there is no mention of the program on any New York website.  Would have thought a list of locations online was a requirement like in other states.

Public media campaign's coming up shortly.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/UJo7pz8jPUvVfXH87
Is that little path here along Route 17 supposed to be the Appalachian Trail?

Googlemaps implies it is, but I would figure the trail would be much wider.

[roadman65]

What happens to US 9 South in Yonkers?
https://goo.gl/maps/tCUJFSCbyfQysFPs6

I noticed that there is a one way segment of US and NY 9A in Downtown starting at Wells Avenue. Traffic is forced to turn onto Wells.

Then you get this intersection. https://goo.gl/maps/aoW5TWBmugVHpQZV9
However no shields for either route.

Did the State of New York forget that US 9 and NY 9A need to circumvent the one way part of Broadway?

[vdeane]

What happens to US 9 South in Yonkers?
https://goo.gl/maps/tCUJFSCbyfQysFPs6

I noticed that there is a one way segment of US and NY 9A in Downtown starting at Wells Avenue. Traffic is forced to turn onto Wells.

Then you get this intersection. https://goo.gl/maps/aoW5TWBmugVHpQZV9
However no shields for either route.

Did the State of New York forget that US 9 and NY 9A need to circumvent the one way part of Broadway?

I took a look at the jurisdiction of the roads there in the RIS viewer, and... wow.  Short version: US 9 is maintained by the City of Yonkers, and cities are necessarily good about signing routes that pass through them.

Longer version: Part of US 9 south (after the turn but not approaching it) shows as NYSDOT jurisdiction.  None of US 9 north does.  The part of US 9 south maintained by the state is marked as reference route 984H, which continues along Riverdale Avenue to the NYC line (I guess touring routes and reference routes can overlap...).  Nepperhan Avenue is 983B.  Yonkers Avenue is 983C and 984E.  Tuckahoe Road is 984L.  NY 9A north of Nepperhan and NY 100 are maintained by the NYSDOT, as are the parkways (except the Bronx River, which is maintained by the county).  The Thruway, of course, is maintained by NYSTA.  But US 9 and much of NY 9A are City of Yonkers.  Roadway jurisdiction can be odd... but this is more so than usual.

[froggie]

https://goo.gl/maps/UJo7pz8jPUvVfXH87
Is that little path here along Route 17 supposed to be the Appalachian Trail?

Googlemaps implies it is, but I would figure the trail would be much wider.

Yes it is.  And there are plenty of locations where the App Trail is basically a narrow walking path.  I've been on several such segments.

[amroad17]

Is Turnpike Road (Cayuga County Rte. 10A, 10B, and 10C, a highway that goes from NY 5 in Sennett to US 20/NY 5 in the town of Aurelius--effectively a road that acts as a northerly bypass of Auburn) scheduled to be a Touring route or reference route soon?  The reason I ask is, while I was looking at Google Maps and GSV in that area, there appears to be some upgrades to the road including an improved shoulder (not necessarily wider but improved) and improved signage.  Many of the intersections have the street blades over the STOP sign now instead of having a street blade sign and a separate STOP sign.  These new combo signs also are mounted with "Z-bars", a staple on New York State Touring routes and reference routes.  Regulatory signage along the highway has also been erected with the "Z-bars" behind the sign.

I am familiar with New York governmental policy that any transfer of maintenance (or "highway maintenance swap") between the state and the county has to go through the government offices in Albany.  With Turnpike Road's length at 10.5 miles, which other state highway in Cayuga County would be part of this swap?

I cannot see NY 5 rerouted along Turnpike as it is a main thoroughfare between Syracuse and Auburn.  If Turnpike Road becomes a Touring route, I could see a NY 520 signed along it.

Perhaps one of our members from New York State could shed some light on this--assuming that Turnpike Road is slated to become a state maintained highway.  After all, these new signs have been posted since 2019 according to GSV, so something is in the works.  I cannot see these upgrades in signage and in the road if Turnpike was still going to be maintained as a Cayuga County highway.

[Rothman]

Heh.  No swap is happening.

[webny99]

It's a pretty good bypass of Auburn, and the western terminus is arguably way overbuilt for a county route, so it would make sense as NY 520.  If this was PA, it would almost certainly be a state route.

In that same area, I wouldn't mind if existing NY 317 was swapped back to the county and Brutus St. between Weedsport and NY 5 became NY 317 (or any other number of choice) instead.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/unFKMtL7JxWhV2cD7
I take this is the main office for the entire Thruway?

[machias]

https://goo.gl/maps/unFKMtL7JxWhV2cD7
I take this is the main office for the entire Thruway?

No, I don't think so. The multi-story building next to Exit 23 is the Thruway headquarters, last I knew.

[Rothman]

https://goo.gl/maps/unFKMtL7JxWhV2cD7
I take this is the main office for the entire Thruway?

No.

[baugh17]

It's a pretty good bypass of Auburn, and the western terminus is arguably way overbuilt for a county route, so it would make sense as NY 520.  If this was PA, it would almost certainly be a state route.

In that same area, I wouldn't mind if existing NY 317 was swapped back to the county and Brutus St. between Weedsport and NY 5 became NY 317 (or any other number of choice) instead.

Cayuga CR 10A/10B/10C carried the original NY 5A designation during the mid 1930s and was later replaced with the second incarnation of NY 135 before being turned over to the county in 1939.

As for any potential for a realignment or new designation, I wouldn't get too excited.

[amroad17]

It's a pretty good bypass of Auburn, and the western terminus is arguably way overbuilt for a county route, so it would make sense as NY 520.  If this was PA, it would almost certainly be a state route.

In that same area, I wouldn't mind if existing NY 317 was swapped back to the county and Brutus St. between Weedsport and NY 5 became NY 317 (or any other number of choice) instead.

Cayuga CR 10A/10B/10C carried the original NY 5A designation during the mid 1930s and was later replaced with the second incarnation of NY 135 before being turned over to the county in 1939.

As for any potential for a realignment or new designation, I wouldn't get too excited.

The upgraded signage was what piqued my interest on this matter.  One does not usually see signs with "Z-bars" behind the signs on county highways except at junctions with Touring routes or reference routes.  Usually the signs are mounted to the (sometimes rusty) poles with no "Z-bars" on county and town roads.

As far as the western terminus, I am quite positive that the two "ramps" carried the traffic, based on what I remember when I was in my teens.  If one was travelling west on Turnpike and wanted to go toward Auburn, one would take the left ramp and make the oblique turn onto US 20/NY 5 East.  Turnpike Road did not end as a T-intersection until the early 1980's.

I used Turnpike Road a lot when visiting relatives in the Camillus area.  I would use the Thruway until Exit 42, use NY 318, US 20/NY 5, Turnpike, NY 5, then left on Bennett Corners Road to see the relatives.  I did this to save some money from the Thruway tolls.

I guess we can close on this topic.  Turnpike Road has basically become a more "high class" county road now.  Nice!

[seicer]

Eh, upgraded signage is a thing all over the state on county and township roads. Tompkins County has been installing new signage throughout with "Z-bars" and has been upgrading roads to include shoulders for cyclists/pedestrians.

Example: https://goo.gl/maps/ZUHNJWRP1ar7cRHE9 , https://goo.gl/maps/qhmrDQsLBzeGxkpb7

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

One of the things that always fascinated me was that US 20 got the lone US designated Alternate bannered route.

US 9 has a New York State designated Alternate.
US 1 used to have NY 1A and not US 1A.
US 62 used to have a state A banner in Niagara Falls.

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

[okc1]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

20A was originally 20 west of what is now NY 15. When 20 was completed west of Avon, NY decided to make the old route NY 35. The folks along the old route didn't like losing the US status, so US 20A was created. Search NY US 20 in the AASHTO database documents (1930's) for details.

[steviep24]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

One of the things that always fascinated me was that US 20 got the lone US designated Alternate bannered route.

US 9 has a New York State designated Alternate.
US 1 used to have NY 1A and not US 1A.
US 62 used to have a state A banner in Niagara Falls.

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

There was also US-15 (now NY-15) and NY-15A. (The remaining portion of US-15 in NY south of I-86 was designated as I-99.)

[baugh17]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

20A was originally 20 west of what is now NY 15. When 20 was completed west of Avon, NY decided to make the old route NY 35. The folks along the old route didn't like losing the US status, so US 20A was created. Search NY US 20 in the AASHTO database documents (1930's) for details.

NY 35's west end was truncated to Caledonia.  The original US 20 became NY 20A for about a year before becoming US 20A.

[cockroachking]

https://goo.gl/maps/unFKMtL7JxWhV2cD7
I take this is the main office for the entire Thruway?

No, I don't think so. The multi-story building next to Exit 23 is the Thruway headquarters, last I knew.

Here is a view from the Thruway mainline.

[mariethefoxy]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

20A was originally 20 west of what is now NY 15. When 20 was completed west of Avon, NY decided to make the old route NY 35. The folks along the old route didn't like losing the US status, so US 20A was created. Search NY US 20 in the AASHTO database documents (1930's) for details.

NY 35's west end was truncated to Caledonia.  The original US 20 became NY 20A for about a year before becoming US 20A.

I thought 35 was a route in Westchester

[cockroachking]

https://goo.gl/maps/DbSYqtVDjhSoUN4N8

It seems odd that NY didn't make a NY 20A instead of the US 20 ALT.

20A was originally 20 west of what is now NY 15. When 20 was completed west of Avon, NY decided to make the old route NY 35. The folks along the old route didn't like losing the US status, so US 20A was created. Search NY US 20 in the AASHTO database documents (1930's) for details.

NY 35's west end was truncated to Caledonia.  The original US 20 became NY 20A for about a year before becoming US 20A.

I thought 35 was a route in Westchester

The current NY-35 was assigned its number in the early 1940s. Before that, it was assigned in Western NY.