Non-MUTCD-compliant W1/2 turn/curve warning signs?

[TheGrassGuy]

(These are all in NJ.)
W1-1L and R with not one, but TWO side roads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6817447,-74.3730644,3a,75y,35.43h,89.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZsBNHlpxAasVWtzrInDA4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6825986,-74.3715889,3a,37.5y,299.14h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP5IGJdVCOxBTAx_4ytzP4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W1-2L on a fork
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6786252,-74.5206216,3a,37.5y,160.92h,87.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEWyhfvp1DtfNlMw0VqkZOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6779163,-74.5159451,3a,75y,282.5h,83.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjp1vQK6Ig7dpFknP6cT7xw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Anorexic W1-4R and L?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6392414,-74.5261813,3a,75y,171.85h,89.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXk3Y0qhDzBfDEN5V2satMg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6368926,-74.5242659,3a,75y,354.3h,82.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94zvvfGWMjHAd71rZ1OliQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W1-4R with two side roads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6431442,-74.5164687,3a,75y,178.64h,90.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3SseDfoWTTNTRjnKoDwROQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W1-4L with three side roads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6896195,-74.5499788,3a,75y,202.28h,91.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWcEoof_aB8Gs5uVOk9dJuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W1-4R and W2-7R hybrid:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6729832,-74.3887322,3a,75y,52.71h,93.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4P6cBdcKu97BfdPPPPWeeQ!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656

W1-4R with one cross road and one side road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6045541,-74.5172558,3a,37.5y,286.24h,92.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smI57aJgXVTOzZpTy8vtLtw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W1-4R with one cross road and one side road (going the other way, however, we lose the side road):
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6238753,-74.5145587,3a,75y,270.92h,72.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sp8u8HI22mS8NCQa0mjP5Iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6239907,-74.5198379,3a,75y,129.19h,90.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siH0t4SxJXa7SsI8xrFuQyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Disproportionate W1-10eR:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7056325,-74.5479667,3a,75y,358.75h,86.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szBicIDH78VZiRVJ8BaysdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Double W2-3L and R for wye intersection:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6636752,-74.5778015,3a,75y,68.84h,88.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sze3RIsCV1ViHQMTI29VQjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.666611,-74.5788139,3a,75y,210.38h,85.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUjWlWzzNcGCxA1aJ4pxokw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

W2-8R x1.5 (there's another one of those on the NJ section of Alps's website):
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9183958,-74.6659996,3a,75y,25.87h,93.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK34w4Ry5IROK6XaPpOU5-Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Hairpins:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6363231,-83.4656274,3a,75y,210.44h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTG3N0YpxUxe7UcDlikSlyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6348714,-83.4673658,3a,75y,167.84h,92.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shnvqT9CWVhfhm0Z21u6lvg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This (which doesn't exist anymore, sadly):
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5809588,-74.557539,3a,37.5y,209.7h,92.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slQkhzJRNhUJd6CUxHCDltQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[US71]

Arkansas does those, too.

[TheGrassGuy]

Arkansas does those, too.

Examples please?

[US71]

Arkansas does those, too.

Examples please?

Only one I have handy is


But a side road on a curve is common.

[TheGrassGuy]

Arkansas does those, too.

Examples please?

Only one I have handy is


But a side road on a curve is common.

Not if there are more than one of them. Also, location please? Where in AR?

[US71]

This is near Joiner AR: Hwy 118 at I-55

[TheGrassGuy]

This is near Joiner AR: Hwy 118 at I-55

Thanks. I've never seen a sign like that in NJ.

[ErmineNotyours]

Hairpin curve on Maui.  (With speed in Helvetica.)

Curve near Issaquah, Washington.

Going the other direction.

[jeffandnicole]

The MUTCD can't possibly have every scenerio coded and shown in their manual. Modifications to advisory signage is perfectly fine and isn't considered a non compliant sign.

[jakeroot]

No arrowheads on this one in Puyallup, WA: https://goo.gl/maps/jNGNTA6izY8GLTn48

[Rothman]

Hairpin curve on Maui.  (With speed in Helvetica.)

Curve near Issaquah, Washington.

Going the other direction.

Are you pointing out the lack of a sign in that Maui link?

[TheGrassGuy]

Hairpin curve on Maui.  (With speed in Helvetica.)

Curve near Issaquah, Washington.

Going the other direction.

Are you pointing out the lack of a sign in that Maui link?

There is a sign in that one; can't you see it?

[TheGrassGuy]

This is near Joiner AR: Hwy 118 at I-55

Thanks. I've never seen a sign like that in NJ.

...aaaaaaand I take that back.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7404019,-74.0761655,3a,75y,82.06h,95.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxKZQgJS-CkEvS1iOj-jPUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[TheGrassGuy]

Here's a W2-8R, but it's a curve and they didn't make it properly:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6052289,-74.609993,3a,37.5y,59.38h,94.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM3a4yYIYInyeMQDHo4RSew!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Rothman]

Hairpin curve on Maui.  (With speed in Helvetica.)

Curve near Issaquah, Washington.

Going the other direction.

Are you pointing out the lack of a sign in that Maui link?

There is a sign in that one; can't you see it?

Using my phone.  Wherever the link sent me, I didn't see a sign.

[TheGrassGuy]

A surviving example of the OLD W2-6 signage standard, for roundabouts.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6861067,-74.365038,3a,15y,56.23h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sE-dDcHatdKPA1xnL8gTT-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.686359,-74.3619326,3a,37.5y,334.31h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFv89GdI0FIRrX_6kDbqOZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6882438,-74.3622829,3a,37.5y,260.86h,84.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si_qSkG0uKbndzfYTIn3lKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Just wondering, how common are these nowadays? This is the only current example that I know of.

[ErmineNotyours]

Hairpin curve on Maui.  (With speed in Helvetica.)

Curve near Issaquah, Washington.

Going the other direction.

Are you pointing out the lack of a sign in that Maui link?

Was also the subject of a Facebook post.

[TheGrassGuy]

This is near Joiner AR: Hwy 118 at I-55

Hwy 118 is in a straight line there, and I couldn't find the sign on GSV, but I'll take your word for it.

[roadfro]

The MUTCD can't possibly have every scenerio coded and shown in their manual. Modifications to advisory signage is perfectly fine and isn't considered a non compliant sign.

True. MUTCD allows for combination horizontal and intersection warning signs in section 2C.11. It would seem that the "standard" signs of the MUTCD for the combo signs are meant to convey examples of possible configurations.

However, section 2C.46 seems to indicate that at least some of the more typical side road warning signs linked in the original should only show two symbols.

Section 2C.11 Combination Horizontal Alignment/Intersection Signs (W1-10 Series)

Option:
01 The Turn (W1-1) sign or the Curve (W1-2) sign may be combined with the Cross Road (W2-1) sign or the Side Road (W2-2 or W2-3) sign to create a combination Horizontal Alignment/Intersection (W1-10 series) sign (see Figure 2C-1) that depicts the condition where an intersection occurs within or immediately adjacent to a turn or curve.

Guidance:
02 Elements of the combination Horizontal Alignment/Intersection sign related to horizontal alignment should comply with the provisions of Section 2C.07, and elements related to intersection configuration should comply with the provisions of Section 2C.46. The symbol design should approximate the configuration of the intersecting roadway(s). No more than one Cross Road or two Side Road symbols should be displayed on any one combination Horizontal Alignment/Intersection sign.

Standard:
03 The use of the combination Horizontal Alignment/Intersection sign shall be in accordance with the appropriate Turn or Curve sign information shown in Table 2C-5.

Guidance:
07 The Intersection Warning sign should illustrate and depict the general configuration of the intersecting roadway, such as cross road, side road, T-intersection, or Y-intersection.
11 No more than two side road symbols should be displayed on the same side of the highway on a W2-7 or W2-8 symbol sign, and no more than three side road symbols should be displayed on a W2-7 or W2-8 symbol sign.

[TheGrassGuy]

I wonder how common signs like these are outside of NJ. From what I've seen, not so much actually.

[US71]

I went for a quick drive this afternoon. I didn't see any curves, but I saw a couple side road signs

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[Revive 755]

Arkansas also has (had?) a couple W1-1 (turn)/W2-4 (T-intersection) combos along I-49.

[TheGrassGuy]

I went for a quick drive this afternoon. I didn't see any curves, but I saw a couple side road signs

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Those look MUTCD-compliant to me.

[US71]

Arkansas also has (had?) a couple W1-1 (turn)/W2-4 (T-intersection) combos along I-49.

Those are becoming more common, often when the off-ramp T's onto the service road.

[hbelkins]

I wonder how common signs like these are outside of NJ. From what I've seen, not so much actually.

Kentucky has actively been installing this type of sign on HSIP projects that include upgraded signing.