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Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor

Started by Some one, May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM

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froggie

Quote from: roadman65 on May 24, 2021, 02:32:43 AM
Has anyone mentioned Gettysburg, PA to Frederick, MD? Or are boroughs excluded?

Anyway US 15 is ( Or was in 1999) an expressway signal free between those points.

15 was mentioned upthread but there are signals south of Harrisburg.

I don't really see Gettysburg as a city...certainly not in the sense that the OP is portraying.


sprjus4


OCGuy81

While not a large city, Aberdeen is the largest on the Washington coast, and is connected to Olympia via the US-12/WA-8 corridor that's mostly freeway and expressway.

roadman65

Quote from: froggie on May 24, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 24, 2021, 02:32:43 AM
Has anyone mentioned Gettysburg, PA to Frederick, MD? Or are boroughs excluded?

Anyway US 15 is ( Or was in 1999) an expressway signal free between those points.

15 was mentioned upthread but there are signals south of Harrisburg.

I don't really see Gettysburg as a city...certainly not in the sense that the OP is portraying.


It's why I asked.
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hotdogPi

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus several state routes

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New clinches: MA 286
New traveled: MA 14, MA 123

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Norfolk Virginia via US 13 and DE 1.
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GaryV

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Norfolk Virginia via US 13 and DE 1.
How are you going to get from Philly to the middle of DE using a freeway or expressway that is not an Interstate?

sprjus4

Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

hotdogPi

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

The portion between Philadelphia and DE 1 is part of I-95.
Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus several state routes

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New clinches: MA 286
New traveled: MA 14, MA 123

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

The portion between Philadelphia and DE 1 is part of I-95.
Mostly connected.
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Dirt Roads

My favorite (already discussed in another thread) Winchester VA to Cumberland MD using VA-37/US-522/VA-127/WV-127/WV-29/WV-9/MD-51. 

In the old days, I would often utilize the Gaston Road cutoff between WV-127 and WV-29 back when that road was a mostly one-lane dirt road crossing North River on a one-lane concrete walled bridge.  Most of the time, I would need to stop to meet oncoming traffic.  If so, I would end up right behind the car/truck I was following.  If I got through unencumbered, I would be about a half-mile ahead of the line of traffic.  It looks like Gaston Road has been widened and now carries most of the traffic.  The Gaston Road cutoff now makes this route an almost "straight shot" between Winchester and Cumberland, if there is such a thing in the Appalachians.

Are there any other important routes between adjacent cities that utilize secondary roads (non-U.S. route/state route)?  (Some folks already have complained when I call this a major route).

froggie

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

I would argue that several segments of 13 on the Eastern Shore and in Delaware aren't even "expressway".  They may be 4 lanes, but there are a number of locations where it's undivided with driveways galore, and splits into a pair of one-way streets through both Greenwood and Harrington, DE.

sprjus4

Quote from: froggie on May 31, 2021, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

I would argue that several segments of 13 on the Eastern Shore and in Delaware aren't even "expressway".  They may be 4 lanes, but there are a number of locations where it's undivided with driveways galore, and splits into a pair of one-way streets through both Greenwood and Harrington, DE.
Can't disagree with that. US-13 in Maryland specifically is the closest to a true expressway. Controlled access freeway bypass around Salisbury, then limited access highway (with a couple signalized intersections) to US-113.

bwana39

Quote from: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM
Not sure if this has been done before, but what are two (preferably major) cities that are connected by a non-interstate freeway or, at the very least, a stoplight-free highway. The Florida Expressway is a tollway built to interstate standard that connects Orlando with Miami (and also Ocala). Also, I'm not sure if I'm 100% correct but you can go from Dallas to Wichita Falls without hitting a traffic light on US 287.


No for a couple of reasons...

There is a signal in Bellevue.
US-287 goes to Fort Worth not Dallas.
The route from Dallas to US-287 (TX-114) still has a handful of lights on the portion where the mainlanes have not been built.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

sparker

The Tri-Cities metro area in SE WA (Richland, Kennewick, Pasco) and Spokane are in part connected by US 395, which is a mixed freeway/expressway -- although that facility does segue onto I-90 at Ritzville; the latter accounts for somewhat less than a half of the distance.  Nevertheless, a trip along US 395 is necessary for travel between the two areas.  In the larger sense, that same corridor is part of the most direct path between Portland, OR and Spokane, using I-84 and I-82 for the portion SW of the Tri-Cities.  While US 395 itself does feature several signals in Kennewick, those can be bypassed by I-82 and I-182 albeit with an increase in mileage. 

roadman65

One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
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sprjus4

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
Yes, but for a non-interstate corridor, there you go.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 02, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
Yes, but for a non-interstate corridor, there you go.
It's actually only 8 minutes slower than the Thruway which is pretty good.
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ethanhopkin14


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Although it is not a destination for those from the Windy City, Chicago, IL to Evansville, IN.  US41/IN63/US41 to the Gary area, then slip across the Illinois State line.



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