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Started by mgk920, May 30, 2012, 02:33:31 AM

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GeekJedi

Quote from: SSOWorld on April 26, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on April 26, 2021, 12:54:37 AM
Drove on the freeway stretch of US 12 in Walworth County. It was just resurfaced in addition to new concrete below bridges from the state line to Lake Geneva. There's now signals at the stub end. Between Wis 67 and Wis 50, the freeway is in rough shape and will hopefully be worked on soon!
Decades likely.

I'm sure Lake Geneva wanted WisDOT to fix the stretch from the state line to WI-50. There's much less incentive to do WI-50 to WI-67, even though the AADT is the same.
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JoePCool14

Quote from: GeekJedi on April 27, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on April 26, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on April 26, 2021, 12:54:37 AM
Drove on the freeway stretch of US 12 in Walworth County. It was just resurfaced in addition to new concrete below bridges from the state line to Lake Geneva. There's now signals at the stub end. Between Wis 67 and Wis 50, the freeway is in rough shape and will hopefully be worked on soon!
Decades likely.

I'm sure Lake Geneva wanted WisDOT to fix the stretch from the state line to WI-50. There's much less incentive to do WI-50 to WI-67, even though the AADT is the same.

Gee, I wonder what Lake Geneva's incentive could have possibly been...

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peterj920

Groundbreaking ceremony today on the Wis 29/County VV Interchange Project. Wis 29 will be all freeway west of I-41 in Brown County once the project is complete. The 70 mph speed limit will probably also extend west from County FF to Shawano County once the project is complete.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/04/28/ground-broken-on-new-highway-29-interchange/

thspfc

Quote from: peterj920 on April 29, 2021, 12:50:45 AM
Groundbreaking ceremony today on the Wis 29/County VV Interchange Project. Wis 29 will be all freeway west of I-41 in Brown County once the project is complete. The 70 mph speed limit will probably also extend west from County FF to Shawano County once the project is complete.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/04/28/ground-broken-on-new-highway-29-interchange/
And this is how WI-29 will be upgraded over time - one new interchange every decade or so. It might eventually get to Interstate standards, but it will be a while.

mgk920

Quote from: thspfc on April 29, 2021, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on April 29, 2021, 12:50:45 AM
Groundbreaking ceremony today on the Wis 29/County VV Interchange Project. Wis 29 will be all freeway west of I-41 in Brown County once the project is complete. The 70 mph speed limit will probably also extend west from County FF to Shawano County once the project is complete.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/04/28/ground-broken-on-new-highway-29-interchange/
And this is how WI-29 will be upgraded over time - one new interchange every decade or so. It might eventually get to Interstate standards, but it will be a while.

And from there, it would be a fairly simple and inexpensive task to similarly upgrade the non-freeway part from the Brown/Shawano County line westward to Bonduel.

Mike

skluth

Quote from: mgk920 on April 29, 2021, 05:25:43 PM
Quote from: thspfc on April 29, 2021, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: peterj920 on April 29, 2021, 12:50:45 AM
Groundbreaking ceremony today on the Wis 29/County VV Interchange Project. Wis 29 will be all freeway west of I-41 in Brown County once the project is complete. The 70 mph speed limit will probably also extend west from County FF to Shawano County once the project is complete.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/04/28/ground-broken-on-new-highway-29-interchange/
And this is how WI-29 will be upgraded over time - one new interchange every decade or so. It might eventually get to Interstate standards, but it will be a while.

And from there, it would be a fairly simple and inexpensive task to similarly upgrade the non-freeway part from the Brown/Shawano County line westward to Bonduel.

Mike

It's a fairly simple and inexpensive task to upgrade the non-freeway parts to Chippewa Falls. There's just no need and the money can be better spent elsewhere.

peterj920

#3206
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf

SEWIGuy

Quote from: peterj920 on May 05, 2021, 03:09:13 AM
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf


Couldn't they use a better key than a bunch of empty squares bunched together and a bunch of empty circles bunched together?

SSOWorld

Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 05, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 05, 2021, 03:09:13 AM
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf


Couldn't they use a better key than a bunch of empty squares bunched together and a bunch of empty circles bunched together?
No.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

mgk920

Quote from: peterj920 on May 05, 2021, 03:09:13 AM
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf

Heck, I'm wondering if the WI 35 River Falls Spur might someday become 'I-994'.

Mike

SSOWorld

Quote from: mgk920 on May 05, 2021, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 05, 2021, 03:09:13 AM
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf

Heck, I'm wondering if the WI 35 River Falls Spur might someday become 'I-994'.

Mike
A fate worse than I-180 in IL?

The portion of freeway north of Wausau is still signed 65-mph speed limit. Most if not all of it can be 70 up to US 8.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

peterj920

Quote from: SSOWorld on May 05, 2021, 10:20:17 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on May 05, 2021, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on May 05, 2021, 03:09:13 AM
Here is a map of officially designated freeways and expressways. Notice how most of Wis 29 is designated as a freeway even though most parts have cross traffic along with US 51 north of Merrill, the US 151 Fond Du Lac Bypass, and Wis 35 between Hudson and River Falls.  I'm assuming those sections will get top priority for freeway conversion?

It's also interesting that no part of Wis 26 received a freeway or expressway designation and Wis 15 has an expressway designation in anticipation of future expansion around Hortonville even with 2 roundabouts on the mainline.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaymap.pdf

Heck, I'm wondering if the WI 35 River Falls Spur might someday become 'I-994'.

Mike
A fate worse than I-180 in IL?

The portion of freeway north of Wausau is still signed 65-mph speed limit. Most if not all of it can be 70 up to US 8.

The 70 mph speed limits have been very inconsistent on non-interstate freeways. Short stretches of Wis 57 and Wis 29 in Brown County are signed at 70. Yet much longer freeway stretches such as US 51 north of Wausau, US 10/US 45 west of I-41, and Wis 16 in Lake Country are signed at 65 when they could easily be 70.

triplemultiplex

I often joke that the short US 14 freeway from Madison to Oregon was upped to 70 because some folks who work at WisDOT must live that way. :-D
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

dvferyance

Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.

SSOWorld

Quote from: dvferyance on May 13, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.
Nope.  Due to the unisigns
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

dvferyance

Quote from: SSOWorld on May 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 13, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.
Nope.  Due to the unisigns
I am ok with the non cut outs for the unisigns it's the non cut out stand alone shields that I wish would be phased out.

JoePCool14

Quote from: dvferyance on May 14, 2021, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on May 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 13, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.
Nope.  Due to the unisigns
I am ok with the non cut outs for the unisigns it's the non cut out stand alone shields that I wish would be phased out.

Hahahaha, imagine seeing standalone shields posted from WisDOT!

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dvferyance

Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 14, 2021, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 14, 2021, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on May 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 13, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.
Nope.  Due to the unisigns
I am ok with the non cut outs for the unisigns it's the non cut out stand alone shields that I wish would be phased out.

Hahahaha, imagine seeing standalone shields posted from WisDOT!
I don't get why that is so funny but whatever. Speaking of shields the Illinois style county route shields are once again appearing in Waukesha County. Has anyone seen them in any other county. For whatever reason at least as far as I know I have only seen them in Waukesha County. I wonder what is up with that?

The Ghostbuster

Where in Waukesha County are these "Illinois-style" county shields? As I can't travel there myself, can you get pictures of these county shields? I'd be interested to see what they look like.

dvferyance

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2021, 12:48:46 PM
Where in Waukesha County are these "Illinois-style" county shields? As I can't travel there myself, can you get pictures of these county shields? I'd be interested to see what they look like.
I don't have a smartphone so I can't share pictures but I can tell you there are several around Mukwonago along Hwy LO and at ES and NN. In fact Bill Burmaster featured it as a goof on his sign mistakes page so that is another place you can check it out. And as of recently several new ones have appeared around the Sussex Menomonee Falls area.

The Ghostbuster

I just saw this shield on CTH-LO just west of its eastern terminus on Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.866037,-88.3346866,3a,75y,272.49h,96.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skyM-2IG51k5PSkMGbYC0Eg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656. I like the "Wisconsin-style" County Highway signs better. I also find it interesting that both CTH-NN (1919-1967) and CTH-LO (1967-1999) were both once designated STH-99.

mgk920

I thought that you were referring to MUTCD 'County' pentagons, which I have (at least I think that I have) seen in Illinois.  A few counties in the northwoods use that style of square county sign, too, including Lincoln County.

Mike

SEWIGuy

Those county highway signs are different, but hardly problematic.

JoePCool14

Yeah, I was thinking they were blue pentagons which would have been very weird to see.

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SSOWorld

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2021, 02:33:18 PM
I just saw this shield on CTH-LO just west of its eastern terminus on Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.866037,-88.3346866,3a,75y,272.49h,96.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skyM-2IG51k5PSkMGbYC0Eg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656. I like the "Wisconsin-style" County Highway signs better. I also find it interesting that both CTH-NN (1919-1967) and CTH-LO (1967-1999) were both once designated STH-99.
Meh - county work.  That happens.
Quote from: dvferyance on May 17, 2021, 11:17:29 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 14, 2021, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 14, 2021, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on May 13, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on May 13, 2021, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on April 21, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/WisDOT/posts/4215240631833733

WisDOT is moving away from plywood signs. Not sure if this means they are also moving away from unisigns as well.
No but I hope this means they will move away from the non cutout interstate shields.
Nope.  Due to the unisigns
I am ok with the non cut outs for the unisigns it's the non cut out stand alone shields that I wish would be phased out.

Hahahaha, imagine seeing standalone shields posted from WisDOT!
I don't get why that is so funny but whatever.
Imagine a Wisconsin Interstate shield without a black background getting installed as part of a finished project.

Oh, you can't?  I wonder why.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.



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