Interstate designation for the Fulbright Expressway in Fayetteville (AHTD)

[bugo]

Pull a SC, use either CONN US 71 or BUS SPUR I-49.

CONN 71 would confuse people. 71Spur would work, or a new designation: a Business-Spur, so we'd have 71BS

I'm sure the Fayetteville local businesses (especially the mall) would love an I-149 designation because it would bring their businesses that much closer to an interstate.

[M86]

"If I was in charge":

Implement I-49 Business Loop, like Missouri.

I'm warming up to a I-149 designation for the Fulbright... but I don't think the ramps are up to current Interstate standards for the one exit... Need to research that more.

[Avalanchez71]

Is I-180 in WY up to interstate standards?  How about I-124 in TN?

[Henry]

Hey, does every freeway need an Interstate shield attached to it?

[Arkansastravelguy]

Hey, does every freeway need an Interstate shield attached to it?

No. They don't. And I agree with what your saying (I-2, I-69abcdefg bullshit, I-97), I don't think 3di's to me is as big of a deal. Besides I-149 is more logical that I-375 (pick one lol)


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[US71]

Hey, does every freeway need an Interstate shield attached to it?

No. That's why I advocate for 71Spur

[Mapmikey]

Pull a SC, use either CONN US 71 or BUS SPUR I-49.

What's CONN?  I haven't heard of that one.

Connector.  It is used heavily for state routes in GA and it also used for US routes in SC.

There are SC State CONN Routes...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=ware+place,+sc&hl=en&ll=34.435726,-82.482777&spn=0.032599,0.066047&sll=38.86332,-77.089283&sspn=0.015455,0.033023&t=h&hnear=Ware+Place&z=15&layer=c&cbll=34.435627,-82.482766&panoid=y1pCH6U4Qdgk54IwgfEDMg&cbp=12,34.43,,0,0

Mapmikey

[english si]

Hey, does every freeway need an Interstate shield attached to it?

Nope, but this concept of not-every-freeway needs an Interstate designation has been turned into "almost no freeways need an Interstate shield" and then further still into "almost no freeways should have an Interstate shield"

No. That's why I advocate for 71Spur

How is that any better than keeping it as 71Bus and having a junction where all three arms are signed with US71 shields and different banners?

I see no reason why this shouldn't be interstate, and a very logical one as to why this should be an interstate.

[US71]

Hey, does every freeway need an Interstate shield attached to it?

Nope, but this concept of not-every-freeway needs an Interstate designation has been turned into "almost no freeways need an Interstate shield" and then further still into "almost no freeways should have an Interstate shield"

No. That's why I advocate for 71Spur

How is that any better than keeping it as 71Bus and having a junction where all three arms are signed with US71 shields and different banners?

Maybe it's already (unsigned) 71S

It was 471S (unsigned) after 71 was re-routed in the 1980's.

Springdale has 412Y, but it's not signed.

Do you think the average motorist would care? Gregg Ave (Gregg St), Shiloh Dr and Futrall Dr are plainly signed as TO 49, TO 71  &/or TO 71B, though I take exception to WB being posted as TO 71B.

BTW: Google Maps has already updated to show the completed Fayetteville Flyover.

[Avalanchez71]

SR 999 to US 71B NB and SR 999 to I-49 SB.  How about that.  Just give it an unassigned state route number.  Although SR 999 could refer to some street that is not marked at some campus somewhere.

[US71]

SR 999 to US 71B NB and SR 999 to I-49 SB.  How about that.  Just give it an unassigned state route number.  Although SR 999 could refer to some street that is not marked at some campus somewhere.

The campus routes are all 800 series

[bugo]

Maybe it's already (unsigned) 71S

No, it's US 71, section 17B.  If it were US 71S, it would be US 71, section 17Y.

Springdale has 412Y, but it's not signed.

Isn't it signed as mainline US 412?

Do you think the average motorist would care? Gregg Ave (Gregg St), Shiloh Dr and Futrall Dr are plainly signed as TO 49, TO 71  &/or TO 71B, though I take exception to WB being posted as TO 71B.

The main reason I want I-149 is because of the Gregg Street exit.  If the road had no exits, then TO US 71B and TO I-49 would be fine.  But that exit in between is signed as US 71B in both directions.  Signing that exit as TO I-49 and TO US 71B is another solution, but I'd rather see I-149.

[US71]

Maybe it's already (unsigned) 71S

No, it's US 71, section 17B.  If it were US 71S, it would be US 71, section 17Y.

Yet, maps show it as 71B

[english si]

The 'B' at the end of 'section 17B' says that it's business, whereas a 'Y' there instead would suggest a spur

[US71]

The 'B' at the end of 'section 17B' says that it's business, whereas a 'Y' there instead would suggest a spur

I knew that. I need more caffeine

[Arkansastravelguy]

It's 71 business spur. Making it 71BS. Which is exactly what it is. 149 is perfect. I still propose making 71B 71 again. There's no point in having a business 71 for an unsigned 71.


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[US71]

OK, I'm going to step aside here. I think we've about reached the point of sadomasochistic necrophilic bestiality (or beating a dead horse).

[Arkansastravelguy]

I wish AHTD would comment...


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[bugo]

It's 71 business spur. Making it 71BS. Which is exactly what it is. 149 is perfect. I still propose making 71B 71 again. There's no point in having a business 71 for an unsigned 71.

No, it isn't.  There is no "spur" or "S" anywhere on the control section maps.  It is simply US 71B.

[bugo]

The 'B' at the end of 'section 17B' says that it's business, whereas a 'Y' there instead would suggest a spur

If it were a spur, it would have an S at the end of the section number.

[Arkansastravelguy]

It's 71 business spur. Making it 71BS. Which is exactly what it is. 149 is perfect. I still propose making 71B 71 again. There's no point in having a business 71 for an unsigned 71.

No, it isn't.  There is no "spur" or "S" anywhere on the control section maps.  It is simply US 71B.

It's not listed as a spur but it is a spur


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[AHTD]

At this time there are no plans to change this from U.S. 71B (section 17B).

There are other U.S. highways in Arkansas built to Interstate standards that are not designated as such:

State Highway 549 in southwest Arkansas (will become I-49 soon).
U.S. Highway 67/U.S. Highway 167 in Central Arkansas from I-40 north toward State Highway 226.

[US71]

At this time there are no plans to change this from U.S. 71B (section 17B).

There are other U.S. highways in Arkansas built to Interstate standards that are not designated as such:

State Highway 549 in southwest Arkansas (will become I-49 soon).

I noticed it on your new maps.

[bjrush]

Making US 71B revert back to US 71 makes a lot of sense. It would be simple in the database and there aren't that many signs either

[bugo]

Making US 71B revert back to US 71 makes a lot of sense. It would be simple in the database and there aren't that many signs either

Won't happen.  AASHTO wouldn't allow it (Ooh, an Allowed Cloud!)

At this time there are no plans to change this from U.S. 71B (section 17B).

Why not?  It would give NWA another Interstate to brag about, and it would clear up some very confusing signage.

There are other U.S. highways in Arkansas built to Interstate standards that are not designated as such:

State Highway 549 in southwest Arkansas (will become I-49 soon).
U.S. Highway 67/U.S. Highway 167 in Central Arkansas from I-40 north toward State Highway 226.

And AR 440, US 71 from I-54H^H^H^H^H^H^H^49 to US 71B in south Fayetteville, the Hot Springs bypass (US 70 and US 270 in various places), US 70B in Hot Springs (other than the US 70 interchange), US 167 El Dorado bypass, US 82 El Dorado bypass, US 67 in Walnut Ridge, and US 63 from I-55 to AR 91 (Future I-555).  I think that's about it.  Some of these might not be up to 100% modern Interstate standards, but they're close enough.