I taught of starting a general topic about the football in North America who talk about the NFL, CFL, Arena Football and minor leagues.
I spotted this news via City-Data forums http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/1650217-cleveland-browns-being-sold.html who mentionned then the current Cleveland Browns are sold to a new owner. http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/27/browns-owner-randy-lerner-sell-team-negotiations/?section=si_latest
Will the Cleveland Browns end their curse?
And there a new attempt to revive the USFL, this time as a developmental minor league for Spring 2013. http://espn.go.com/nfl/conversations/_/id/7916459/usfl-return-fred-biletnikoff-advisers
With the chaos that the NCAA seems to be steadily turning into, perhaps we'll ultimately see a baseball-style minor league system for the NFL.
Mike
I doubt it. The NFL uses the NCAA as a de facto minor league system. Look at all the money the save by not having their own developmental league. They did have NFL Europe, but it went by the wayside.
My idea for NFL Spring Football would be a 16 team affair. An AFC team would be paired with an NFC team to stock the roster and provide the coaches. Since there are 32 teams, getting to 16 for NFL Spring Football is workable.
Four divisions. Four division champs plus two wild cards for playoffs, which makes for three weeks of playoffs. Have the championship game on the weekend closest to the 4th of July. That way the players have time to rest up a bit before heading off to the regular season training camp.
Move the NFL Draft to the week after the Super Bowl. Start the NFL spring season two weeks later, which is enough time to get the majority of drafted players signed. No pre-season games, just regular season and the playoffs. That gives enough time to play a 16 game spring season. Play the divisional opponents twice for 6 of those games. Play 10 of the other 12 teams for the balance of the schedule.
Good locations abound. LA has wanted pro football for so long! San Antonio and Syracuse have domed stadiums. Birmingham and Orlando have had non-NFL pro football. Honolulu would be nice, especially in the first month, as a hosting team while the winter recedes. Las Vegas, Portland, Sacramento...all would be encouraged to come up with pro-grade stadiums and whoever ponies up gets the NFL Spring team as well as a good look when the NFL chooses to expand. Orlando has a nice stadium and is the former home of a non-NFL pro team. Memphis was the original Tennessee Titans location.
Major cities with an NFL team like NYC, Chicago, Philly and Houston will likely make good candidates for a spring team. There's already stadiums in place in those cities, which makes these cities good places to look at.
The NFL's name recognition is so high that there will be no problem with them getting network contracts and they would have the NFL Network to fill in the broadcast schedule. TV money is what makes the sports world go 'round after all and the NFL can get plenty for their product!
Year-round football. Three cheers for that!
Rick
Spring football existed for three years in the early 1980s under the name "USFL." The NFL tried it in the early 1990s with the WLAF, but it only lasted two years before they shut it down and relaunched it later as an all-European league.
San Antonio had a USFL team (the Gunslingers) and it proved disastrous due to a lack of financing. The new stadium is a lot nicer than the old one was and their CFL team was slightly more successful than the Gunslingers were, although they only lasted one season before all the American teams folded (except the Baltimore Stallions, who moved to Montreal).
In terms of non-NFL cities in the USA–other than Los Angeles–that have had teams in major pro leagues since 1970: Birmingham (WFL, USFL, WLAF, CFL, XFL); Columbus (WLAF); Honolulu (WFL); Las Vegas (CFL, XFL); Memphis (WFL, USFL, CFL, XFL); Orlando (WFL, USFL, WLAF, XFL); Portland (WFL, USFL); Raleigh-Durham (WLAF); Sacramento (WLAF; CFL); San Antonio (WFL, USFL, WLAF, CFL); Shreveport (WFL); Tulsa (USFL)
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 29, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
I spotted this news via City-Data forums http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/1650217-cleveland-browns-being-sold.html who mentionned then the current Cleveland Browns are sold to a new owner. http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/27/browns-owner-randy-lerner-sell-team-negotiations/?section=si_latest
Will the Cleveland Browns end their curse?
The curse of Ernie Davis.
Nope, no part time owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers from Tennessee will change the fortunes of Cleveland.
Not in their lifetime it will.
Aren't the CFL and AFL the de facto pro development leagues - other than college that is. I'm more of a college football fan myself. The play isn't as precise and sterile IMO. There is just enough sloppiness to make it interesting while maintaining a high level of play.
It seems like every year or two there is talk of an international NFL expansion team - usually London. Do you guys think it's a good idea or not?
Quote from: realjd on July 30, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Aren't the CFL and AFL the de facto pro development leagues - other than college that is. I'm more of a college football fan myself. The play isn't as precise and sterile IMO. There is just enough sloppiness to make it interesting while maintaining a high level of play.
It seems like every year or two there is talk of an international NFL expansion team - usually London. Do you guys think it's a good idea or not?
CFL is a separate league, with separate rules, and I've noticed very little crossover. By AFL I assume you mean Arena, as Australian football is even more different than Canadian. Arena seems to be where ex-NFLers wind up when they're not talented enough to make the pro roster. In general, it seems that most football players make the squad coming out of college through the draft, and very few players transition from other leagues.
London: Bad idea. The only thing worse than every team getting jet-lagged going to and from there would be the amount of jet lag the London team would experience.
I can see the NFL setting up shop in Toronto, one or two western Canadian cities and perhaps even a couple of Mexican cities within my lifetime. *NO* expansion outside of North America, though.
Mike
NFL certainly put in a bid for the Olympic Stadium to have as an American Football stadium post-games - which suggests that they want more than one game, else renting Wembley would be enough (and it's a bigger stadium).
Quite right about the jet lag though.
Might see a Superbowl over here.
I really enjoyed the USFL last time. Would have been a great league had Trump not destroyed it with the stupid fall move. Much more exciting football than the boring NFL. Will give me something to augment my enjoyment of college football. But they'll have to try hard to follow the original USFL model and not wind up being more like the UFL.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 30, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
I can see the NFL setting up shop in Toronto, one or two western Canadian cities and perhaps even a couple of Mexican cities within my lifetime. *NO* expansion outside of North America, though.
Mike
Only cities really big enough are Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, but I think they could make a go in all of them. CFL is very different.
Quote from: texaskdog on July 31, 2012, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 30, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
I can see the NFL setting up shop in Toronto, one or two western Canadian cities and perhaps even a couple of Mexican cities within my lifetime. *NO* expansion outside of North America, though.
Mike
Only cities really big enough are Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, but I think they could make a go in all of them. CFL is very different.
That's not true. Calgary, Ottawa, and Edmonton all have over 1 million people in their metro areas. If a small city like Buffalo, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, or Charlotte can support a team, I fail to see why other large Canadian cities couldn't.
Surely, however, there's only 32 NFL teams that they plant somewhere? If you give LA or Toronto or wherever a team, then you are taking it away from somewhere else.
Though you could double the number of teams by having a second tier, with 4th place from each top division swapping with the 1st place in the respective 2nd tier division. This also gives the drama of relegation.
Toronto's biggest problem is stadium size. It's simply too small (around 54,000) and it results in very high ticket prices when the Buffalo Bills play a home game there each year. Olympic Stadium in Montreal is more realistic at around 66,000 for football, but it's a terrible stadium. The Alouettes don't normally play there except for playoff games and occasional big games during the regular season.
I believe the provincial and national governments have resisted allowing American football leagues into Toronto for fear of harming the Argonauts. The World Football League back in the mid-1970s wanted to put a team in Toronto but backed down when the Trudeau Administration introduced a bill in Parliament that would have banned foreign-based football leagues from playing in Canada.
The Montreal franchise in the WLAF presumably didn't meet the same opposition because that league's schedule ran from March through June, which doesn't overlap the CFL's schedule. Compare to the original World Football League, which played a 20-game schedule from early July to mid-November, i.e. concurrent with the CFL schedule.
Quote from: realjd on July 31, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on July 31, 2012, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 30, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
I can see the NFL setting up shop in Toronto, one or two western Canadian cities and perhaps even a couple of Mexican cities within my lifetime. *NO* expansion outside of North America, though.
Mike
Only cities really big enough are Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, but I think they could make a go in all of them. CFL is very different.
That's not true. Calgary, Ottawa, and Edmonton all have over 1 million people in their metro areas. If a small city like Buffalo, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, or Charlotte can support a team, I fail to see why other large Canadian cities couldn't.
Green Bay is it's own animal, Pittsburgh is successful, some of the NFL markets though like Buffalo & Jacksonville are pretty marginal. Oddly Cities like Birmingham, Tampa, Jacksonville, and Memphis were some of the USFL's most successful, while they failed in LA & Chicago
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 29, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
I spotted this news via City-Data forums http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/1650217-cleveland-browns-being-sold.html who mentionned then the current Cleveland Browns are sold to a new owner. http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/27/browns-owner-randy-lerner-sell-team-negotiations/?section=si_latest
Will the Cleveland Browns end their curse?
Hey they've got Matt Flynn at QB now, and that will certainly help things.
Quote from: english si on July 31, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
Surely, however, there's only 32 NFL teams that they plant somewhere? If you give LA or Toronto or wherever a team, then you are taking it away from somewhere else.
Though you could double the number of teams by having a second tier, with 4th place from each top division swapping with the 1st place in the respective 2nd tier division. This also gives the drama of relegation.
Problem with relegation in America is that people will only support top-tier teams with their money. (People support minor leagues, but not to the same extent, and far cheaper to get tickets.) What if you're a star and your team got relegated? It works in soccer where each town or neighborhood has a strong attachment to its own team, such that there's no switching of allegiance during relegation.
Anyway, I don't see the NFL moving into Canada beyond Toronto. Of what you mentioned, Vancouver is close to Seattle, Montreal is too French*, and other cities already have the CFL.
* Quebec just treats sports differently. They loved the Expos, but never came out after the 1994 strike-shortened season. I can't see them getting behind the NFL.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 31, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 29, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
I spotted this news via City-Data forums http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/1650217-cleveland-browns-being-sold.html who mentionned then the current Cleveland Browns are sold to a new owner. http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/27/browns-owner-randy-lerner-sell-team-negotiations/?section=si_latest
Will the Cleveland Browns end their curse?
Hey they've got Matt Flynn at QB now, and that will certainly help things.
How is Matt Flynn going to help Cleveland? He's a Seahawk.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ae17dd/article/matt-flynn-tarvaris-jackson-in-seahawks-qb-race
Rick
Cleveland Browns can keep their curse after the joke of a "gap". It's one of those cities that once a team leaves, they become good.
Quote from: english si on July 31, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
Though you could double the number of teams by having a second tier, with 4th place from each top division swapping with the 1st place in the respective 2nd tier division. This also gives the drama of relegation.
College football essentially has a multi-tier system; you're either in a BCS division or not, or in a different division: FCS (old 1-A), rather than FBS (old 1-AA). Every couple of years, an FCS team jumps up to the FBS level, although it's rare to hear of a school going in the opposite direction.
Quote from: formulanone on August 01, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: english si on July 31, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
Though you could double the number of teams by having a second tier, with 4th place from each top division swapping with the 1st place in the respective 2nd tier division. This also gives the drama of relegation.
College football essentially has a multi-tier system; you're either in a BCS division or not, or in a different division: FCS (old 1-A), rather than FBS (old 1-AA). Every couple of years, an FCS team jumps up to the FBS level, although it's rare to hear of a school going in the opposite direction.
Some FBS teams really need to drop down to the FCS. Eastern Michigan is the best example. Kent State and others haven't been to a bowl in years and barely avg 15,000 per game.
Quote from: nexus73 on July 31, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
How is Matt Flynn going to help Cleveland? He's a Seahawk.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ae17dd/article/matt-flynn-tarvaris-jackson-in-seahawks-qb-race
Rick
Whoops, total brain fart right there.
Derp!
Speaking of college football, preseason coaches' rankings (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings) are released (as if it matters at all). Looks like this will be another dominating year for the SEC. :-/
Sounds like Florida State & USC will be the teams to beat.
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2012, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 01, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: english si on July 31, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
Though you could double the number of teams by having a second tier, with 4th place from each top division swapping with the 1st place in the respective 2nd tier division. This also gives the drama of relegation.
College football essentially has a multi-tier system; you're either in a BCS division or not, or in a different division: FCS (old 1-A), rather than FBS (old 1-AA). Every couple of years, an FCS team jumps up to the FBS level, although it's rare to hear of a school going in the opposite direction.
Some FBS teams really need to drop down to the FCS. Eastern Michigan is the best example. Kent State and others haven't been to a bowl in years and barely avg 15,000 per game.
I think the NCAA has provisions for kicking teams out of their subdivision. I can't remember exactly what they are though. So do conferences: Temple was initially booted from the Big East several years ago (I think because of attendance issues primarily). although the Big East has now invited the Owls back, probably as a result of the realignment craze.
It's true but they don't do it. They are supposed to draw 15,000 at home which most teams fudge but E Mich draws around 3,000-4,000 per game. Half of the MAC should go.
Quote from: texaskdog on August 03, 2012, 08:59:28 AM
It's true but they don't do it. They are supposed to draw 15,000 at home which most teams fudge...
Florida Atlantic University and Florida International University counted their total commuter parking spaces on campus, and sent in those numbers to the NCAA.
Washington Post op-ed by George Will (http://www.washingtonpost.com/george-f-will/2011/02/24/ABVZKXN_page.html): Football's problem with danger on the field isn't going away (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-footballs-problem-with-danger-on-the-field-isnt-going-away/2012/08/03/ff71ec48-dcd0-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html)
QuoteStill, football has bigger long-term problems than lawsuits. Football is entertainment in which the audience is expected to delight in gladiatorial action that a growing portion of the audience knows may cause the players degenerative brain disease. Not even football fans, a tribe not known for savoring nuance, can forever block that fact from their excited brains.
QuoteFurthermore, in this age of bubble-wrapped children, when parents put helmets on wee tricycle riders, many children are going to be steered away from youth football, diverting the flow of talent to the benefit of other sports.
QuoteFurthermore, in this age of bubble-wrapped children, when parents put helmets on wee tricycle riders, many children are going to be steered away from youth football, diverting the flow of talent to the benefit of other sports.
Hopefully these other sports aren't Olympic sports - you don't need more talent there!
Then again, Team USA only got 5 gold medals out of 25 yesterday, whereas Team GB got 6, so yah boo sucks!
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I'm trying to think what sports could be played by those who would otherwise play football seriously as teenagers - Aussie Rules? Rugby? Water Polo? similar parental moaning one imagines about those sports. So the answer is 'none'.
Quote from: english si on August 05, 2012, 12:16:12 PM
I'm trying to think what sports could be played by those who would otherwise play football seriously as teenagers - Aussie Rules? Rugby? Water Polo? similar parental moaning one imagines about those sports. So the answer is 'none'.
Quidditch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quidditch)?
Quote from: english si on August 05, 2012, 12:16:12 PM
I'm trying to think what sports could be played by those who would otherwise play football seriously as teenagers - Aussie Rules? Rugby? Water Polo? similar parental moaning one imagines about those sports. So the answer is 'none'.
Arguably the biggest youth sport in the US is soccer. I could see fewer kids transitioning from youth soccer to school-sponsored football (like many do now) and more sticking with soccer. With the money wrapped up in football though, many parents just won't care, particularly for kids from some lower income segments of our population which aren't exactly known for strong parenting.
Futbol might be much more boring, but it's also much less expensive than football. And whatever health risks we hear about from heading a soccer ball, they can't compare to the consequences we now know about all this hitting in the elite levels of football. The long term prognosis of football vs. futbol in America doesn't seem very good at this point. There's a reason why boxing went from one of our most popular sports to one of our most obscure (other than the overtly homoerotic overtones of two half naked dudes wailing on each other.)
Football will have to be rescued by technology. The athletic ability of the players has exceeded the ability to protect their brains from all those hits. And those are the only injuries that are of great concern. We can fix muscles and joints better than ever, but neurological trauma is still really tough. The accumulation of hits is deeply concerning. Given the financial incentive to keep this awesome sport going and the league's willingness to finally address the problem, it seems likely that this decade will see a breakthrough in helmet technology which will save our stars from long term injury. And hopefully this will mean an end to some of these bullshit No-Fun-League pussy penalties that so offend most of us fans.
(Oh no, my fingers grazed the quarterback's helment! That's a 15 yard penalty!)
Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 05, 2012, 11:53:02 PM
Football will have to be rescued by technology. The athletic ability of the players has exceeded the ability to protect their brains from all those hits. And those are the only injuries that are of great concern. We can fix muscles and joints better than ever, but neurological trauma is still really tough. The accumulation of hits is deeply concerning. Given the financial incentive to keep this awesome sport going and the league's willingness to finally address the problem, it seems likely that this decade will see a breakthrough in helmet technology which will save our stars from long term injury. And hopefully this will mean an end to some of these bullshit No-Fun-League pussy penalties that so offend most of us fans.
(Oh no, my fingers grazed the quarterback's helment! That's a 15 yard penalty!)
Improved helmets might help, though would that mean that they would have to get larger (making the shells thicker) so they could do a better job of absorbing shocks?
I also wonder if the use of artificial turf might be bad for the long-term health of the people that play on it, as compared to real grass fields? In my opinion, there is
no excuse for artificial turf in any outdoor football venue.
And I say that even though one of the NFL teams I root for, the Baltimore Ravens, plays at home on an artificial field.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
Improved helmets might help, though would that mean that they would have to get larger (making the shells thicker) so they could do a better job of absorbing shocks?
Motorcycle helmets on the football field? :sombrero:
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
I also wonder if the use of artificial turf might be bad for the long-term health of the people that play on it, as compared to real grass fields? In my opinion, there is no excuse for artificial turf in any outdoor football venue.
And I say that even though one of the NFL teams I root for, the Baltimore Ravens, plays at home on an artificial field.
I've refereed soccer games on various types of artificial turf. The high end, modern artificial surfaces closely mimic real grass. They're nothing like the old style astroturf you see at mini-golf places. Surfaces like Field Turf have individual blades of fake grass, and some brands even have rubber/sand dirt mixed in with the grass. It plays very similar to natural grass surfaces.
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There are plenty of reasons why artificial turf makes sense in outdoor stadiums. For one thing, in dry climates like Phoenix, it's more environmentally friendly because it doesn't need watering. Also, in cold and cloudy climates, stadiums sometimes have to use artificial lights (like at Emirates Stadium in London below) to keep the grass growing, which is wasteful IMO.
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Speaking of the NFL, NFL football, IMRSO (in my really serious opinion), MUST be kept in the United States. I don't want it going international unless American football ever becomes an Olympic sport.
To whoever brought up the Cleveland Browns being in a curse- same feeling I have about the NHL's St. Louis Blues.
BTW, I deeply miss the XFL. It's also a good thing the USFL is coming back. If I ever hear about Donald Trump putting a stake into the new USFL, I'll be rolling over my carpet laughing. :)
And does anybody know about the UFL (United Football League)?
Quote from: realjd on August 06, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
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that font looks like Clearview width 3 or 4, but better. what is it?
^^^
You'd have to ask the Kalamazoo Gazette, the newspaper I shamelessly hotlinked that picture from.
Quote from: realjd on August 06, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 06, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
I also wonder if the use of artificial turf might be bad for the long-term health of the people that play on it, as compared to real grass fields? In my opinion, there is no excuse for artificial turf in any outdoor football venue.
And I say that even though one of the NFL teams I root for, the Baltimore Ravens, plays at home on an artificial field.
I've refereed soccer games on various types of artificial turf. The high end, modern artificial surfaces closely mimic real grass. They're nothing like the old style astroturf you see at mini-golf places. Surfaces like Field Turf have individual blades of fake grass, and some brands even have rubber/sand dirt mixed in with the grass. It plays very similar to natural grass surfaces.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.mlive.com%2Fkzgazette_impact%2F2009%2F06%2FTurfjgraphic.jpg&hash=a6fdd30db8a0349b11818322cd1f14c3fec561fc)
There are plenty of reasons why artificial turf makes sense in outdoor stadiums. For one thing, in dry climates like Phoenix, it's more environmentally friendly because it doesn't need watering. Also, in cold and cloudy climates, stadiums sometimes have to use artificial lights (like at Emirates Stadium in London below) to keep the grass growing, which is wasteful IMO.
I've played on the stuff a little. It's not grass, not by a long shot, if you're just comparing them straight. In terms of sports, there are two important factors. One: unlike other artificial turf, it's very lightweight blades, so balls will actually roll similar to grass. Two: because the plastic density is much lower, you're a lot less prone to get turf burns.
Quote from: realjd on August 06, 2012, 03:52:26 PMThere are plenty of reasons why artificial turf makes sense in outdoor stadiums. For one thing, in dry climates like Phoenix, it's more environmentally friendly because it doesn't need watering. Also, in cold and cloudy climates, stadiums sometimes have to use artificial lights (like at Emirates Stadium in London below) to keep the grass growing, which is wasteful IMO.
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The Packers use an identical system with their hybrid natural/artificial turf at Lambeau Field.
Mike
Quote from: realjd on August 06, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
There are plenty of reasons why artificial turf makes sense in outdoor stadiums. For one thing, in dry climates like Phoenix, it's more environmentally friendly because it doesn't need watering. Also, in cold and cloudy climates, stadiums sometimes have to use artificial lights (like at Emirates Stadium in London below) to keep the grass growing, which is wasteful IMO.
I thought the stadium that the Phoenix Cardinals play on is real grass - that the literally wheel the entire field outside and let it grow in the Arizona sun (presumably helped by some water from the Colorado River), then bring it back inside on or before gameday?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 07, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: realjd on August 06, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
There are plenty of reasons why artificial turf makes sense in outdoor stadiums. For one thing, in dry climates like Phoenix, it's more environmentally friendly because it doesn't need watering. Also, in cold and cloudy climates, stadiums sometimes have to use artificial lights (like at Emirates Stadium in London below) to keep the grass growing, which is wasteful IMO.
I thought the stadium that the Phoenix Cardinals play on is real grass - that the literally wheel the entire field outside and let it grow in the Arizona sun (presumably helped by some water from the Colorado River), then bring it back inside on or before gameday?
You are correct.
Quote from: texaskdog on July 31, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
I really enjoyed the USFL last time. Would have been a great league had Trump not destroyed it with the stupid fall move. Much more exciting football than the boring NFL. Will give me something to augment my enjoyment of college football. But they'll have to try hard to follow the original USFL model and not wind up being more like the UFL.
Actually, the USFL was a good league with some really good players. They did have an exciting brand of football (especially in Houston and Los Angeles) yet still had "traditional" teams (Philadelphia-Baltimore and New Jersey). The problem they had, besides Trump so gung ho about directly challenging the NFL, was that they expanded too fast. They went from 12 teams in their inaugural 1983 season to 18 teams in 1984. Then in 1985 they merged a couple of teams together and ended with 14 teams for that season. They should have stayed with 12 for at least three or four seasons before even thinking about expanding, assuming the league could have lasted that long. I actually watched quite a few games the first couple of seasons and enjoyed it. If anyone is interested in some of the USFL history, watch "Small Potatoes: Who Killed The USFL" on ESPN Classic when they have their 30 for 30 marathons. The filmaker as well as some of the people he interviewed lean toward Trump as the main reason the USFL folded.
Trump wanted to be in the fall from day 1 and really killed the whole thing. I like Trump but he really destroyed the league.
Quote from: amroad17 on August 15, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on July 31, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
I really enjoyed the USFL last time. Would have been a great league had Trump not destroyed it with the stupid fall move. Much more exciting football than the boring NFL. Will give me something to augment my enjoyment of college football. But they'll have to try hard to follow the original USFL model and not wind up being more like the UFL.
Actually, the USFL was a good league with some really good players. They did have an exciting brand of football (especially in Houston and Los Angeles) yet still had "traditional" teams (Philadelphia-Baltimore and New Jersey). The problem they had, besides Trump so gung ho about directly challenging the NFL, was that they expanded too fast. They went from 12 teams in their inaugural 1983 season to 18 teams in 1984. Then in 1985 they merged a couple of teams together and ended with 14 teams for that season. They should have stayed with 12 for at least three or four seasons before even thinking about expanding, assuming the league could have lasted that long. I actually watched quite a few games the first couple of seasons and enjoyed it. If anyone is interested in some of the USFL history, watch "Small Potatoes: Who Killed The USFL" on ESPN Classic when they have their 30 for 30 marathons. The filmaker as well as some of the people he interviewed lean toward Trump as the main reason the USFL folded.
I was not especially a football fan (then or now, and not one of the USFL at all), but I recall the spring radio broadcasts of the USFL Washington Federals, and that those broadcasts were "brought to you by your Washington-area AMC/Jeep/Renault Dealers."
I think it was the
only time I ever heard any broadcast sponsored by AMC or its dealers.
Can't say that I ever recall seeing AMC paying for too many commercials on other broadcast media (and I don't think I
ever saw a commercial for the Gremlin, Pacer or Matador on any MLB or NFL or NBA broadcast).
Former Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell, passed away at the age of 87
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/story/?id=404636&hubname=nfl-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8343621/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-dies-87
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 08, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
Former Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell, passed away at the age of 87
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/story/?id=404636&hubname=nfl-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8343621/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-dies-87
:clap: :clap: :love: :love: :colorful: :colorful: :-D :-D :D :D
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 08, 2012, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 08, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
Former Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell, passed away at the age of 87
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/story/?id=404636&hubname=nfl-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8343621/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-dies-87
(snip smileys)
Inappropriate. He never killed anyone. He moved a sports team. However you feel about that, this is a man, not a beast. Show some damn respect.
Quote from: Steve on September 08, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 08, 2012, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 08, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
Former Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell, passed away at the age of 87
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/story/?id=404636&hubname=nfl-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8343621/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-dies-87
:ded: :ded: :clap: :clap: :D :D :biggrin: :biggrin:
Appropriate. He moved a sports team. However you feel about that beast.
Modell will get no respect from me. Don't like it. Bite me.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 10, 2012, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 08, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 08, 2012, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 08, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
Former Browns/Ravens owner Art Modell, passed away at the age of 87
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/story/?id=404636&hubname=nfl-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8343621/former-ravens-owner-art-modell-dies-87
:-(
Appropriate. He only moved a sports team. You should be sad.
I'm a pansy.
This is getting OT for an OT place.
I'm annoyed - we have Monday Night Football being shown on the BBC this season. However it's at midnight to 5am and on their non-TiVoable interactive channel.
Given that BBC2 is the same as BBC News for that time, why not put the Football on BBC2 and let it be far more accessible.
Channel 4 are airing their Sunday Night Game on their main channel, so at least TiVo gives me that game.
Still, three live games a week on free-to-air channels - not just a game on Christmas Day and the Superbowl, plus highlights of the Wembley game. It's gaining momentum here.
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Away from TV - I gather Dublin are pushing for a second NFL game in Europe (the massive sell out and excellent money-spinner at Wembley being the first).
Quote from: english si on September 12, 2012, 05:39:10 AM
I'm annoyed - we have Monday Night Football being shown on the BBC this season. However it's at midnight to 5am and on their non-TiVoable interactive channel.
Given that BBC2 is the same as BBC News for that time, why not put the Football on BBC2 and let it be far more accessible.
Channel 4 are airing their Sunday Night Game on their main channel, so at least TiVo gives me that game.
Still, three live games a week on free-to-air channels - not just a game on Christmas Day and the Superbowl, plus highlights of the Wembley game. It's gaining momentum here.
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Away from TV - I gather Dublin are pushing for a second NFL game in Europe (the massive sell out and excellent money-spinner at Wembley being the first).
I would be just as annoyed if I too, was living in the UK and having to see two U.S. football teams play at a British venue. That would be a St. Louis Rams "home" game against the defending AFC (but not Super Bowl) champion NE Patriots.
Even though I live in St. Louis, I honestly wish the Rams would move back to Los Angeles. St. Louis cares more about its Cardinals than anything.
The folks of South Park mocked football with "Sarcastaball".
Quote from: english si on September 12, 2012, 05:39:10 AM
I'm annoyed - we have Monday Night Football being shown on the BBC this season. However it's at midnight to 5am and on their non-TiVoable interactive channel.
Interesting, I would not have guessed that there would be enough interest for BBC to put it on at all. American football actually has a fanbase in the UK? Who knew!
As for TiVo... eh, I don't see the point in watching a sports game taped, anyway. Once the game is over, you can just look up the results online.
At least the real references returned to work in the NFL, because we do not want another game when the team loses...wins. Last week's Seahawks-Packers game was an example of substitute stupidity to costed one team (the Packers) a win. But not to worry this time, the Packers won by a point against the Saints...and the real refs made the call.
Quote from: Mike D boy on October 01, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
At least the real references returned to work in the NFL, because we do not want another game when the team loses...wins. Last week's Seahawks-Packers game was an example of substitute stupidity to costed one team (the Packers) a win. But not to worry this time, the Packers won by a point against the Saints...and the real refs made the call.
Sure they have the real refs back (woo-hoo) but I'm still suspicious that Goodell might be rigging all games the Saints play against the Saints.
Quote from: Duke87 on October 01, 2012, 10:18:04 PMInteresting, I would not have guessed that there would be enough interest for BBC to put it on at all. American football actually has a fanbase in the UK? Who knew!
Anyone who has heard how quick the Wembley game sells out? It's at a time when ratings are low (I'd imagine that live sports will always get the highest ratings at that time of day, followed by live news then the programmes that were on earlier, but this time have a signer signing along for the deaf) and you have a small crew doing the analysis, but the game is simply the US TV feed, so no need for a US crew.
And NFL would probably charge little for the rights as they want us Brits to watch it so little expense there - sure every NFL game is televised on premium sports channels, but having them on free-to-air channels makes it much more accessible.
QuoteAs for TiVo... eh, I don't see the point in watching a sports game taped, anyway. Once the game is over, you can just look up the results online.
If all you care about is the score, then sure, just look up the result. While I try and avoid the scores to keep the suspense, I watch Premier League highlights whether I know the score or not - was that goal good? did that team play well, or poorly? etc.
I watched half of the Sunday night game, but felt that at 3am, it was way past bedtime - as on Channel 4 it was TiVoed, so I'll watch the rest tonight. It makes little sense to get halfway and then replace actual watching with the score simply as you went to bed. Plus a n00b like me has to rely on watching games to get myself into the game - which teams are defensive, which play running games, which are good, which are just lucky, where team X is strong, which players they have which are good, etc, etc. Sure, I'm watching one or two games each week, and some highlights of the others, but I'm beginning to be able to have a conversation on the sport beyond the rules and where each team calls home!
Plus with TiVo, I can fast forward the adverts, inane comments where they discuss around the subject while the US have a longer break (partially because you always have more and longer breaks, and because few people want to advertise at 3 in the morning - normally they are trailers for other programmes). Instead of 150 minutes, the second half and meaningful analysis can become an hour long. And most importantly for me, not at silly o'clock in the morning!
The BBC have put last night's game on their web catch-up player, but having it recorded means it's easier to watch it on the big screen, in bits, etc.
Quote from: NYYPhil777 on October 02, 2012, 04:35:28 AM
Quote from: Mike D boy on October 01, 2012, 10:27:32 PM
At least the real references (? - MGK) returned to work in the NFL, because we do not want another game when the team loses...wins. Last week's Seahawks-Packers game was an example of substitute stupidity to costed one team (the Packers) a win. But not to worry this time, the Packers won by a point against the Saints...and the real refs made the call.
Sure they have the real refs back (woo-hoo) but I'm still suspicious that Goodell might be rigging all games the Saints play against the Saints.
I don't know about that one, I was at Sunday's Aints @ Packers game and they blew several really bad ones against the Packers that nearly swung the outcome.
:angry:
Mike
NFL is all rigged anyway
A little late, but my town (San Angelo, TX) was on the Monday Night Football thing, before the game! :D
It was filmed here, and the band is local. The schools are Veribest (6-man school East of Angelo) and Central, our 5A school. It is pretty much stereotypical Texas...
http://youtu.be/nlssMNiWnx0
BigMatt
Even I'm pretty impressed at how my Vikes have done so far. I expected them to be better than last season, but a 4-1 start (and the Colts loss doesn't look quite so bad anymore) was better than I expected - the defense looks great and for the most part the offense has played mistake-free ball. I'm not counting my chickens yet though with five division games in the second half of the season.
A scary moment in the Bears-Lions game: A certain Lions defensive tackle named Suh has put a concussion on Cutler, but the quarterback is able to walk off under his own power. Because Chicago won, Cutler can laugh it off.
With the NFL game in London, there's been increased talk of a franchise here - the NFL had discussions with the Mayor about getting back on the shortlist for the Olympic Station. The NFL seem to think that it's simply a matter of sorting out the logistics of the long journeys - I reckon there's more: which franchise will move here? will it be part of an expansion? what will they do to the Olympic Stadium to make it hold enough seats (capacity is being reduced as we speak, though the running track can be converted to retractable seats for £200 million, but is 60k seats enough?) to make money off of 8 home games?
And the more trivial matter - what to call the team. London Monarchs doesn't fill me with encouragement - it is, I guess a little better than the "Silly Nannies" - I know you have various tamer names for teams than the parade of big powerful mammals, birds of prey and various types of people known for fighting/manual labour: "dolphins", "cardinals", "saints", "browns" are not scary team names. British Bulldogs would be good, but the UK Aussie rules teams grabbed that. London Blitz, London Olympians and London Warriors are pre-existing BAFA Premiership teams, so those names are out. I look out the window and see a red kite on the thermals, looking for some meat to eat, but London Kites is just going to confuse.
Here's some ideas I've come up with. Some of the names work with more than one exonym - London Badgers works, for instance:
British Badgers, British Bees, British Bats, British Bucks, British Boars, English Europeans (can't see this one being popular), English Eels, English Oaks, English Angles, London Dockers, London Foxes, London Saxons, London Celts (too close to Colts, probably), London Legionnaires (ie Romans), London Towers (more a basketball name).
Too bad the team in Detroit already has the name, otherwise British Lions would be a fine nod to the history of British rock music (as in the former members of Mott the Hoople).
You can borrow the name from the fictional future MLB team mentioned in Star Trek DS9.
The London Kings.
Quote from: english si on October 31, 2012, 11:40:51 AM"dolphins"... [are] not scary team names.
Yeah, but they are arguably some of the smartest beings in the animal kingdom, after humans. Some of them are ferocious, although everyone thinks of Flipper.
And not off to a bad start, with a 4-3 record; although the Tanneyhill injury is not bad, it's still kind of questionable. Nobody had terrific aspirations for this season, maybe 6-10, at best.
How about the London Blighties? London Dickens? The British Humours?
Photos from the Notre Dame 29 - 26 win over the University of Pittsburgh on November 3, 2012.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157632251247279/
Colts player picked for "C'mon Man!" last night–click image for video:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2Fth_MiscellanousDecember2012045_zps975f5573.jpg&hash=bad926b1fe2eda3ad8b9601cd48f52f7cfae03cc) (http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/?action=view¤t=MiscellanousDecember2012045_zps975f5573.mp4)
^^^
I guess he's in a pick-ems league!
Atlanta Falcons CB Asante Samuel is trying to pin a new road-related nickname on QB Matt Ryan: "Matty Black Ice" (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/falcons/2013/01/14/matt-ryan-atlanta-falcons/1834767/):
Quote
"He's Matty Black Ice,'' cornerback Asante Samuel said. "Slick, you don't see it coming.''
So it's Harbaugh vs. Harbaugh in New Orleans. Should be a decent game; I think they'll match up well.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 21, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
So it's Harbaugh vs. Harbaugh in New Orleans. Should be a decent game; I think they'll match up well.
From a Pittsburgh perspective, this is one of the worst Super Bowls there could be. The 49ers are looking for a tying 6th Lombardi, and the Ravens are the hated rival.
I already know that the worst part of this game is that one of the teams is guaranteed to win it.
I also started getting tired of hearing about the "Har-Bowl" when there was still 10 seconds left on the clock in the Ravens/Pats game.
But that's just, like, my opinion... man.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on January 22, 2013, 01:34:57 PM
I also started getting tired of hearing about the "Har-Bowl" when there was still 10 seconds left on the clock in the Ravens/Pats game.
If it were up to me: no two-week break for the media to endlessly spout about every little detail of the Really Big Football Game.
Quote from: formulanone on January 22, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
If it were up to me: no two-week break for the media to endlessly spout about every little detail of the Really Big Football Game.
+1
They tried to offset that by moving the Probowl, but that game has become an absolute joke that they might as well play flag football that day...
Quote from: Alex on January 22, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
They tried to offset that by moving the Probowl, but that game has become an absolute joke that they might as well play flag football that day...
I'd watch if they played a flag football game. That could be interesting.
When WWE was good you could watch the Royal Rumble that week. How about a 3rd place game between the Patriots & Falcons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playoff_Bowl
Quote from: texaskdog on January 24, 2013, 01:55:27 PM
When WWE was good you could watch the Royal Rumble that week. How about a 3rd place game between the Patriots & Falcons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playoff_Bowl
Did not know about the Playoff Bowl, thanks for sharing that. Its almost like a "bronze metal game". :)
It was--a meaningless "playoff" game. I couldn't believe any of the players thought, "Great, we ended the year in third place!"
In fact, the 1961 Playoff Bowl ruined the Philadelphia Eagles' 1962 season as Sonny Jurgensen was injured in that game and was not fully recovered by the time the 1962 season got underway. The Eagles went from 10-4 in 1961 with the top-ranked offense in the NFL to a 2-10-2 season in 1962 because of Sonny's not quite healed shoulder.
The Playoff Bowl was played as a pension fund raiser, and was a glorified exhibition game. It did lead, however, to Miami being a top candidate for expansion in both leagues with the AFL awarding the team in 1966.
Washington Post op-ed: Hail to the Ravens? Why Washington should root for Baltimore on Super Bowl Sunday. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hail-to-the-ravens-why-washington-should-root-for-baltimore-on-super-bowl-sunday/2013/01/25/b26a86b6-64c6-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html)
QuoteThe most thrilling Redskins season in 20 years is done, giving way to another brutal January of watching other NFL teams fight their way to the Super Bowl. But up I-95 is another team worthy of your cheers – and not just because of some namby-pamby idea of regional pride.
QuoteThe reason Washington fans should root for the Baltimore Ravens in the Super Bowl on Feb. 3 is because they share some of the finest qualities of the Redskins teams many of us knew and loved in a decade-long run when Washington played in four Super Bowls and won three of them.
Here's the best part of last night's game: Ed Hochuli calls a penalty. (http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000131510/Hochuli-Yes-there-are-penalties-in-the-Pro-Bowl) :biggrin:
Quote from: CanesFan27 on January 26, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
The Playoff Bowl was played as a pension fund raiser, and was a glorified exhibition game. It did lead, however, to Miami being a top candidate for expansion in both leagues with the AFL awarding the team in 1966.
The game was officially the Bert Bell Benefit Bowl, named for the late NFL commissioner. It ended with the NFL-AFL merger. All the games were held in Miami.
I think there might be a place for a third-place game in today's NFL in lieu of the Pro Bowl, should that be canceled. A million-dollar bonus for every player on the winning team would ensure a good game.
Road Hog, the Super Bowl winner only gets $88,000 for each player.
Giving $1m for winning a third place game would be an insult.
In the English soccer leagues, teams winning the Championship, League 1 or League 2 will pick up less prize money than if you won the play-offs of those divisions (four best teams not winning automatic promotion compete for the final promotion spot), though they have 3 more games (a 2-leg game to get to the final, plus the final).
But yes, $1 million is a hell of a lot and playing the same number of games, but losing the penultimate one means that they shouldn't get more money than those that won them all!
If they had aligned the NFL better back during the merger it would have been far more entertaining.
Quote from: english si on February 03, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
In the English soccer leagues, teams winning the Championship, League 1 or League 2 will pick up less prize money than if you won the play-offs of those divisions (four best teams not winning automatic promotion compete for the final promotion spot), though they have 3 more games (a 2-leg game to get to the final, plus the final).
But yes, $1 million is a hell of a lot and playing the same number of games, but losing the penultimate one means that they shouldn't get more money than those that won them all!
I wouldn't mind seeing Hockey, Basketball, MLS and perhaps even Baseball in North America being re-organized on that line (promotion/relegation).
:nod:
Mike
The way the NFL is set now isn't too bad.
In the NFC, the four divisions are set perfectly because Dallas and Washington (Cowboys and Indians) have to stay in the same division. St. Louis has to be in the NFC West because of them being the furthest west NFC team other than Dallas and the West Coast teams. This beat what it was before 2002 when Atlanta and New Orleans were in the NFC West and Arizona was in the NFC East.
In the AFC, there could be some realignment done. Baltimore should be in the AFC East instead of Miami, who should be in the AFC South. That would put Indianapolis in the AFC North. However, because of former rivalries, in the case of the Dolphins, and current rivalries (Ravens/Steelers) this will not happen.
As far as realignment for the 1970 merger, the NFL teams originally wanted a 16-10 split in conferences. This would have kept teams in the same divisions as they were in 1969. The AFL answered with a resounding NO! If this had happened, the Baltimore Colts and the Atlanta Falcons would have been in the same division as the Los Angeles Rams and the San Francisco 49ers (the Coastal Division in 1969). Cincinnati would have been in an AFC West division and the Houston Oilers would have been in an AFC East division. Only the efforts of the Colts' owner, Carroll Rosenbloom, along with him talking Art Rooney of the Steelers and Art Modell of the Browns into joining the AFC, prevented this 16-10 split.
The NBA and NHL have realigned teams geographically in the past decade. In the 1970's, the NHL had Vancouver as an Eastern Division team and Philadelphia as a Western Division team (as well as Pittsburgh). When the NHL realigned into four divisions, one division had Montreal and Los Angeles in it! So, compared to 40 years ago, realignment has improved dramatically.
On the other hand, college teams switching to conferences where some of the teams are 2,000 miles apart... :confused: Oh yeah, $$$! :nod:
Quote from: texaskdog on February 04, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
If they had aligned the NFL better back during the merger it would have been far more entertaining.
I disagree. As stated above, with "better" realignment, the Cowboys would not have the rivalry with the Redskins (coming back to life, it seems) and the N.Y. Giants.
And it is unlikely that the Ravens would be in the same division as the Steelers if the AFC divisions were more "logical," even though it's not that that far to travel from Baltimore to Pittsburgh or vice versa.
My biggest gripe with the NFL is its game of always having at least once city without and NFL franchise (currently Los Angeles, especially inexcusable) so it can extort taxpayer funded new playing venues from state, county and municipal taxpayers.
L.A. ought to get a NFL team in the future, the city approved a football stadium project known as Farmers' Field. If L.A. has a team, a second team shall be granted: to a city where they love American or gridiron football to work out: Alabama, Oklahoma, Omaha, San Antonio, Toronto and Virginia (Beach) are good candidates.
Anyone heard of the UFL? They are an alternative semi-pro American football league. They might not make it past their 4th season, but like other smaller leagues before them, the UFL expanded the sport to new cities such as Las Vegas and Sacramento.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 07, 2013, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 04, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
If they had aligned the NFL better back during the merger it would have been far more entertaining.
I disagree. As stated above, with "better" realignment, the Cowboys would not have the rivalry with the Redskins (coming back to life, it seems) and the N.Y. Giants.
And it is unlikely that the Ravens would be in the same division as the Steelers if the AFC divisions were more "logical," even though it's not that that far to travel from Baltimore to Pittsburgh or vice versa.
My biggest gripe with the NFL is its game of always having at least once city without and NFL franchise (currently Los Angeles, especially inexcusable) so it can extort taxpayer funded new playing venues from state, county and municipal taxpayers.
Cowboys/Redskins is pretty boring. Both teams are pretty bad now.
The Redskins and Cowboys played for a division title last season with the Redskins winning it at 10-6. The rivalry is still there although not with the same ferocity as it was from 1971-1992. I will say that both teams are not great teams but decent teams.
As far as last season, both games were exciting--mostly because of RGIII piloting the Redskins. Let's see how this plays out in the next few years.
Quote from: Mike D boy on February 16, 2013, 07:55:39 AM
L.A. ought to get a NFL team in the future, the city approved a football stadium project known as Farmers' Field. If L.A. has a team, a second team shall be granted: to a city where they love American or gridiron football to work out: Alabama, Oklahoma, Omaha, San Antonio, Toronto and Virginia (Beach) are good candidates.
Anyone heard of the UFL? They are an alternative semi-pro American football league. They might not make it past their 4th season, but like other smaller leagues before them, the UFL expanded the sport to new cities such as Las Vegas and Sacramento.
I'll second it for Virginia Beach (where I lived for 22 years)!
True but the Skins weren't much without RG3 and he got hurt, though it sounds like he'll be back. So turn because I like RG3 and hate the Redskins.
Quote from: texaskdog on April 12, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
So turn because I like RG3 and hate the Redskins.
Rather like I
hate the Bronx Steinbrenners, but in spite of that, respect, admire and even like their best player, Derek Jeter, who is a class act all the way, and will be headed to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y. if he ever decides to retire.
Quote from: texaskdog on April 09, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 07, 2013, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 04, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
If they had aligned the NFL better back during the merger it would have been far more entertaining.
I disagree. As stated above, with "better" realignment, the Cowboys would not have the rivalry with the Redskins (coming back to life, it seems) and the N.Y. Giants.
And it is unlikely that the Ravens would be in the same division as the Steelers if the AFC divisions were more "logical," even though it's not that that far to travel from Baltimore to Pittsburgh or vice versa.
My biggest gripe with the NFL is its game of always having at least once city without and NFL franchise (currently Los Angeles, especially inexcusable) so it can extort taxpayer funded new playing venues from state, county and municipal taxpayers.
Cowboys/Redskins is pretty boring. Both teams are pretty bad now.
TV networks adore it, though.
I spotted that article of the Chicago Tribune who mention then football will be dead in 10 years. O_o
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0424-20130424,0,5660156.column
Washington Post: Do no harm: Retired NFL players endure a lifetime of hurt (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/05/16/do-no-harm-retired-nfl-players-endure-a-lifetime-of-hurt/)
QuoteThey remember the hard hits — most of them, at least. The brain-rattlers that left them blank-eyed and disoriented, they have no recollection of at all. But the ones that snapped ligaments, rendered bones the consistency of crushed ice or bent joints in ways they ought not to bend are still felt every morning years later.
QuoteA career in the National Football League creates echoes good and bad. Some reverberate in medical records, others in luxuries from rich contracts. But the most vivid ones for many former players come when they get out of bed each day and put their feet on the floor. If the NFL confers wealth — a rookie's base pay next season will be $405,000 — it exacts a heavy price: lifelong hurt.
QuoteA Washington Post survey of retired NFL players found that nearly nine in 10 report suffering from aches and pains on a daily basis, and they overwhelmingly — 91 percent — connect nearly all their pains to football.
Washington Post: Pain and pain management in NFL spawn a culture of prescription drug use and abuse (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/pain-and-pain-management-in-nfl-spawn-a-culture-of-prescription-drug-use-and-abuse/2013/04/13/3b36f4de-a1e9-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.html)
QuoteWhen Fred Smoot, a former Washington Redskins defensive back, fractured his sternum and had to spend four months sleeping in a recliner because he couldn't lie flat, he said his team doctors gave him a choice: Miss the rest of the season or "figure out a way to play." Worried about his livelihood, he made it on the football field each Sunday thanks to a syringe full of a drug called Toradol.
Quote"Painkillers are like popping aspirin," Smoot said. "They get to that point."
QuoteWhen the throbbing in his surgically repaired right knee made it hard to walk, much less play, Chester Pitts, a former offensive lineman for the Houston Texans, found a way to prolong his career one more year: a cocktail of Toradol injections on Sundays, with anti-inflammatories and narcotic painkillers the other days of the week.
Quote from: amroad17 on January 24, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
It was--a meaningless "playoff" game. I couldn't believe any of the players thought, "Great, we ended the year in third place!"
In fact, the 1961 Playoff Bowl ruined the Philadelphia Eagles' 1962 season as Sonny Jurgensen was injured in that game and was not fully recovered by the time the 1962 season got underway. The Eagles went from 10-4 in 1961 with the top-ranked offense in the NFL to a 2-10-2 season in 1962 because of Sonny's not quite healed shoulder.
Now they would play it like the probowl, where nobody tackles.
Wondering where the new USFL will go...if they get moving. Top 8 metro areas without NFL teams: West would be LA, Portland, Sacramento, Las Vegas, East would be San Antonio, Austin, Columbus, Orlando. For whatever reason they like tiny Akron. Other big cities without teams: Norfolk, Providence, Milwaukee, Memphis, OKC, Louisville, Richmond, Hartford, Birmingham. Birmingham & Memphis always drew well in the old incarnation.
^^
The average resident of Metro Milwaukee is an even more rabid Packer fan than are the residents of northeastern Wisconsin.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on June 21, 2013, 01:21:05 PM
^^
The average resident of Metro Milwaukee is an even more rabid Packer fan than are the residents of northeastern Wisconsin.
Mike
I could argue that a summer league is not necessarily competing but hard to get a city to buy in to a new "alpha team". I did have them on the alternate list.
I've been doing some NFL geographic replays. I got kicked off the alternate reality boards by an evil moderator so wondering if its something anyone here does.
^^ Plus Milwaukee doesn't have a stadium that can hold a football game (beyond high school, or D3 college if including adjacent Waukesha County). You can't fit a regulation football field in Miller Park.
Quote from: texaskdog on July 24, 2013, 06:18:39 PM
I've been doing some NFL geographic replays. I got kicked off the alternate reality boards by an evil moderator so wondering if its something anyone here does.
Howabout if American football, or even better, basketball, in North America were organized in a European-style promotion/relegation system.
:-o
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 25, 2013, 02:30:07 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on July 24, 2013, 06:18:39 PM
I've been doing some NFL geographic replays. I got kicked off the alternate reality boards by an evil moderator so wondering if its something anyone here does.
Howabout if American football, or even better, basketball, in North America were organized in a European-style promotion/relegation system.
:-o
Mike
Can't work in this country. We invest too much in our franchises - expensive stadia, huge TV and marketing deals, pretty much every corner of this country dedicated to one or at most two franchises. People want to root for the frontrunners. There's not enough territorialism here compared to Europe, where every city wants to be the best.
Quote from: Steve on July 25, 2013, 06:38:27 PMCan't work in this country. We invest too much in our franchises - expensive stadia,
Look at Portsmouth or Leeds - both of which have had the biggest falls linked to over-investment failing: trophies, European football, but followed by money issues, relegation and an inability to recover.
Though teams can recover: my own team Southampton built a new stadium, redeveloped the old one, and within 5 years got relegated, then in the 8 since relegation nearly went bust, got relegated down to the third tier, and won back-to-back promotions and stayed up last season.
It also allows your Swanseas and Wigans to climb up the ladder, replacing mis-managed teams like Portsmouth and Leeds, without the hatred caused by moving a franchise.
Quotehuge TV and marketing deals
TV deals done through the league, surely?
Quotepretty much every corner of this country dedicated to one or at most two franchises.
The local rivalry of a Spurs-Arsenal, or a City-United is missing. The rivalries come from "you left our area" pride, rather than about the teams themselves.
QuotePeople want to root for the frontrunners.
So why do people turn up at Buffalo Bills games? Why do people pay to watch the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns? Why do they still visit even when playoff chances have gone? Heh, you guys often go wild at College or High School level games that function like lower-league matches do in England: only with a lot more people.
And given that you can like a college and an NFL team, you can do that with a promotion/relegation system. Only you are creating competition on the fringes with relegation. Bad teams don't race to the bottom to try and get the first draft pick, they try and race away to not be replaced by some other team. If your team can't be kicked out for being poor, and your fanbase will turn up whatever, then there's little incentive to improve/
QuoteThere's not enough territorialism here compared to Europe, where every city wants to be the best.
With notable exceptions, I'm not sure that is true. In fact, I would say that compared to Europe, the US has a lot more area-based tribalism. And in fact, that area-based tribalism is what drives a lot of it: City X wants to be on the map, and so tries to win over City Y's failing NFL team. And, of course, the prestige of an NFL team, and trying to keep it there.
Promotion/relegation would also eliminate the problem, especially in basketball and hockey, of weak teams moving from city to city to city in search of homes of some sort. It the team is crap and doesn't draw, relegate it and replace it with an up and coming team that deserves a better slate of opponents - *DON'T* reward it with the 'first pick in the draft' (or the most slips in the hat for the draft lottery).
And some of the HOTTEST games to watch 'across the pond' are those late-season games involving teams that are in danger of relegation - the 'relegation matches'.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 26, 2013, 12:21:58 AM
It the team is crap and doesn't draw, relegate it and replace it with an up and coming team that deserves a better slate of opponents - *DON'T* reward it with the 'first pick in the draft' (or the most slips in the hat for the draft lottery).
NFL's drive for parity seems to work quite well, although whether the draft lottery works instead of a "worst-picks-first" system is debatable. The NBA is the only major league that uses the lottery system, but has the least number of championship-winning teams over the past thirty years. I still think a draft lottery prevents a team from intentionally tanking, although I have my doubts pro teams with professional athletes could conceivably try to lose badly, when any future contracts are on the line, and they've been wired to win their whole lives.
As an aside, I do think it's fascinating how Americans and Europeans have alternating views of the economics of government* and sports; whereas there's no salary caps, no revenue-sharing, and limited parity systems there in sport, yet we approve of it for our teams, leagues, and franchises, over here in the States...
* = mind you, this is a gross generalization, it obviously isn't one-size-fits-all
Quote from: formulanone on July 29, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 26, 2013, 12:21:58 AM
It the team is crap and doesn't draw, relegate it and replace it with an up and coming team that deserves a better slate of opponents - *DON'T* reward it with the 'first pick in the draft' (or the most slips in the hat for the draft lottery).
NFL's drive for parity seems to work quite well, although whether the draft lottery works instead of a "worst-picks-first" system is debatable. The NBA is the only major league that uses the lottery system, but has the least number of championship-winning teams over the past thirty years. I still think a draft lottery prevents a team from intentionally tanking, although I have my doubts pro teams with professional athletes could conceivably try to lose badly, when any future contracts are on the line, and they've been wired to win their whole lives.
As an aside, I do think it's fascinating how Americans and Europeans have alternating views of the economics of government* and sports; whereas there's no salary caps, no revenue-sharing, and limited parity systems there in sport, yet we approve of it for our teams, leagues, and franchises, over here in the States...
* = mind you, this is a gross generalization, it obviously isn't one-size-fits-all
Also, the big difference between 'here' and 'there' with promotion/relegation - with it, there is no need for such things as a salary cap, minimum wage, a players' union and so forth. If a team is too resource poor and/or crappy, they are simply relegated to the next lower level division and replaced with one from the lower level division that more deserves being there. There are also no ongoing soap operas regarding weak teams moving from city to city (especially bad in the NBA and NHL).
I kind of like that idea.
:nod:
Mike
Down with commie football and its 32 monopolistic cash cows that aren't allowed to fail! ;)
County Cricket in England (and Wales) runs on a closed-system:
- there's a weird finance scheme that I think means the Test (decent international) sides 'loan' the better players by paying their wages, and the counties pay them back when they play for the county.
- you have to be upped to a First-class county to play in the tournament (last to be so was Durham in 1992, before that it was Glamorgan in 1921) in the proper tournament. There's 18 currently (Derbs, Durham, Essex, Glamorgan, Gloucs, Hants, Kent, Lancashire, Leics, Middlesex, Northants, Notts, Somerset, Surrey, Sussex, Warwicks, Worcs and Yorks), with European national sides, Unicorns' (basically a conglomerate team of the rest of England and Wales) and the 'minor county' of Scotland invited to take part in limited-overs tournaments.
- however, there's two divisions of 9 teams, with 3 sides moving in each direction each year. This was done to fit in the second limited-overs competition.
Rugby League's Super League runs on three-year licenses - before it had been either promotion and relegation or a closed system (they tried both) - they look at things other than just how they play - stadium, finances, marketing, playing strength (inc junior teams). However they are ditching these and going back to promotion/relegation when the licences next run out.
Quote from: formulanone on July 29, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 26, 2013, 12:21:58 AM
It the team is crap and doesn't draw, relegate it and replace it with an up and coming team that deserves a better slate of opponents - *DON'T* reward it with the 'first pick in the draft' (or the most slips in the hat for the draft lottery).
NFL's drive for parity seems to work quite well, although whether the draft lottery works instead of a "worst-picks-first" system is debatable. The NBA is the only major league that uses the lottery system, but has the least number of championship-winning teams over the past thirty years. I still think a draft lottery prevents a team from intentionally tanking, although I have my doubts pro teams with professional athletes could conceivably try to lose badly, when any future contracts are on the line, and they've been wired to win their whole lives.
As an aside, I do think it's fascinating how Americans and Europeans have alternating views of the economics of government* and sports; whereas there's no salary caps, no revenue-sharing, and limited parity systems there in sport, yet we approve of it for our teams, leagues, and franchises, over here in the States...
* = mind you, this is a gross generalization, it obviously isn't one-size-fits-all
Really, there are no dominant teams anymore like there used to be and its the "anyone can beat anyone" mentality. Don't know if that's bad or good. Only thing they really don't do is give top team tougher schedules. Really the best teams only get a couple of tougher games, evened out by the weak links in their own division.
The most important thing about a professional sport is to keep it entertaining. The NFL has figured out how to do that by keeping it's teams relatively competitive via revenue sharing, salary caps and its draft system. The greater the distribution of winning teams geographically, the more interest it will hold for consumers. It's more fun that way.
Just like chucking tons of cash doesn't guarantee a championship for the Yankees or the Heat, neither does the NFL's system guarantee success for a poorly run team. A team still has to put together the right elements to win and that is not an easy thing to do. But at least they aren't working against teams who get an unfair advantage just because more people live in their media market.
Football is back :)
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
Football is back :)
Well, my Alma Mater (Appalachian State) is really stinking it up this year.
So...how 'bout them Buckeyes!
Just think, Mike McCarthy could have avoided all of that trouble and controversy by simply declining that illegal formation penalty in the play before that one, like he should have!
:rolleyes:
Mike
Quote from: Big John on July 24, 2013, 06:29:54 PM
^^ Plus Milwaukee doesn't have a stadium that can hold a football game (beyond high school, or D3 college if including adjacent Waukesha County). You can't fit a regulation football field in Miller Park.
What did the Packers do? Or did they tear that stadium down.
Quote from: DSS5 on September 09, 2013, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
Football is back :)
Well, my Alma Mater (Appalachian State) is really stinking it up this year.
So...how 'bout them Buckeyes!
They can milk that Michigan win a few more years. But even the Zips almost did.
Quote from: texaskdog on September 16, 2013, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 24, 2013, 06:29:54 PM
^^ Plus Milwaukee doesn't have a stadium that can hold a football game (beyond high school, or D3 college if including adjacent Waukesha County). You can't fit a regulation football field in Miller Park.
What did the Packers do? Or did they tear that stadium down.
They played in old County Stadium, former home of the Brewers. It was demolished in 2001.
Locally, the Desert Valley Coyotes of a Southern California league, whom played in San Jacinto last year will move to a new high school football stadium in Rancho Mirage high school closer to it's Palm Springs fan base. There is a larger football stadium in the College of the Desert (home of the COD Roadrunners), but this is what the Coyotes are able to find. I remember when the Coyotes team roster made a public appearance in Youth sports day where I took my nephew to participate in some youth sports provided by local youth sports organizations. It's good to meet them and it comes to show the Palm Springs area is "ready for some football".
Well I'd thought I'd never see it...but the Cleveland Browns are 3-2...and are in FIRST PLACE. Good for them, even after they dealt their top pick RB away, and even though they just lost Hoyer for the rest of the year and gotta revert back to Weeden.
At this point, it would be a miracle if App State pulled a 3-9 season out of this mess. My expectations for the game against The Citadel (who kicked our asses last year but aren't doing so well this season) are so low that they're through the floor. I don't think I'll actually follow it.
At least my Buckeyes are still kicking ass and taking names. Saturday's game should be exciting. It's been a good year for Northwestern so far and they're undefeated, but Ohio State is the first Big 10 team on their schedule.
Not a good time to be a Bears or Seahawks fan...Chicago lost its second in a row, and Seattle has now lost its first.
Quote from: Henry on October 07, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
Not a good time to be a Bears or Seahawks fan...Chicago lost its second in a row, and Seattle has now lost its first.
How about being a New York We-Forgot-How-To-Play-Football Giants fan? With Eli "Turnover" Manning at the helm this year instead of our previous ELIte QB...0-5 is looking great!
Looks like the Pro Bowl will pit Oregon State versus Oregon this year. At least, the uniforms Nike designed suggest so:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.espncdn.com%2Fphoto%2F2013%2F1008%2Fnfl_e_probowl_unis_b1_300x200.jpg&hash=c01e1229202f7c4358ed51e9ef07ee3849bb92b4)
There were two little children that were wandering the streets. A concerned citizen saw them, went to them and asked if they were lost. The children said no, they were just outside. The citizen asked if they wanted to go back home. The children said no because their dad beat them all the time. The citizen asked the children where they wanted to go. One said, "New York" and the other said, "Jacksonville."
The citizen asked them why. The children replied, "They don't beat anybody there!"
:-D
Watching a very interesting Frontline documentary on PBS about brain injury in the National Football League and high school football. If you are in the West, you can probably catch it - it runs two hours.
Quote from: amroad17 on October 08, 2013, 07:03:43 PM
There were two little children that were wandering the streets. A concerned citizen saw them, went to them and asked if they were lost. The children said no, they were just outside. The citizen asked if they wanted to go back home. The children said no because their dad beat them all the time. The citizen asked the children where they wanted to go. One said, "New York" and the other said, "Jacksonville."
The citizen asked them why. The children replied, "They don't beat anybody there!"
:-D
It's painful enough to even know the fact that they probably won't win again this week either...thanks Small Blue offensive line
The Manning Brothers so far
Peyton is on pace to break the single season TD record
Eli is on pace to break the single season INT record
Interesting to see if these will actually come true :-o
I guess the Texans are not the contenders everyone assumed they would be at the start of the season.
I heard chatter about Kansas City, but damn, I didn't expect them to be keeping pace with Denver like this. Those are going to be very watchable games between those two this year.
Saints really blew that one in Foxboro. Finishing games, man.
My Packers just got another visit from the ol' injury bug. I saw that hit on Cobb and it made my knee hurt. Good to see a halfway decent running game in Green Bay for once. The Pack is gonna need it without Cobb and Jones, not to mention Clay Matthews and his busted thumb. Still, not a terrible day on D even though they let the Ravens back in the game on 2 plays in the 4th. After they play Chicago in 2 weeks, I can probably start doing some prognostication about my team.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 13, 2013, 10:26:37 PM
I guess the Texans are not the contenders everyone assumed they would be at the start of the season.
I heard chatter about Kansas City, but damn, I didn't expect them to be keeping pace with Denver like this. Those are going to be very watchable games between those two this year.
Saints really blew that one in Foxboro. Finishing games, man.
My Packers just got another visit from the ol' injury bug. I saw that hit on Cobb and it made my knee hurt. Good to see a halfway decent running game in Green Bay for once. The Pack is gonna need it without Cobb and Jones, not to mention Clay Matthews and his busted thumb. Still, not a terrible day on D even though they let the Ravens back in the game on 2 plays in the 4th. After they play Chicago in 2 weeks, I can probably start doing some prognostication about my team.
And how about the Chargers beatin' down the boys from Indy last night! I do feel for the fans in San D about their team not being able to perform to the best of their ability, but it looks like Rivers has got the team going again. But that KC team, I believe, will keep Denver from a perfect season. Their defense is so lethal, along with Alex Smith making them relevant again.
The way the season is progressing so far, both the Broncos and Chiefs will win at least 12 games. Meanwhile, the team that wins the NFC East will end up anywhere between 9-7 and 7-9.
I think it'd be funny to see the Broncos and Chiefs both go undefeated. Since they play in the same division, that means both their head-to-head games would be ties.
Quote from: amroad17 on October 08, 2013, 07:03:43 PM
There were two little children that were wandering the streets. A concerned citizen saw them, went to them and asked if they were lost. The children said no, they were just outside. The citizen asked if they wanted to go back home. The children said no because their dad beat them all the time. The citizen asked the children where they wanted to go. One said, "Tampa Bay" and the other said, "Jacksonville."
The citizen asked them why. The children replied, "They don't beat anybody there!"
:-D
Fixed it for you...
Since the Giants finally won, thank you!
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 17, 2013, 08:04:33 AM
I think it'd be funny to see the Broncos and Chiefs both go undefeated. Since they play in the same division, that means both their head-to-head games would be ties.
Oh well, Indianapolis ruined this thought.
Quote from: amroad17 on October 24, 2013, 05:08:36 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 17, 2013, 08:04:33 AM
I think it'd be funny to see the Broncos and Chiefs both go undefeated. Since they play in the same division, that means both their head-to-head games would be ties.
Oh well, Indianapolis ruined this thought.
I am shocked to see KC be on the top of the division now with that loss to Indy by Denver. I don't think anyone at the beginning of the year would have thought to see that from the boys at Arrowhead. The Chiefs deserve a lot of credit of bringing Andy Reid and Alex Smith in from their beleaguered positions and making this team an ultimate force against any team in the NFL.
And in other news, Tampa Bay is just terrible in any way possible (proved it on Thursday Night Football and embarrassed themselves on national television) and they need to get rid of Greg Schiano NOW. It's getting to the point of players starting to go against their HC, and even one guy from last year's team said to how bad the organization is going, "It's like being in Cuba."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268792/article/greg-schiano-loses-tampa-bay-buccaneers-with-autocratic-style
No duh...they've got billboards going up in Tampa from one of the local radio stations with "Fire Schiano" on it. They guy's a disgrace and the sooner the Glazers can him the better. At this point I'd put the UCF Knights up against the Bucs and consider the Bucs an underdog!
Thank God I quit drinking...
And a little laugh to bear the pain, from Facebook via Bucs Nation:
Justice in Tampa Florida (AP) -
A seven-year old boy was at the center of a Hillsborough County courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulation requiring that family unity be maintained to the highest degree possible..
The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried and said that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.
After two recesses to check legal references and confer with the child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Football Team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
Pain is to be a Vikings fan. Growing up in Minnesota I became a fan in 1977....of the Cowboys. Queens do a great job of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Quote from: amroad17 on October 16, 2013, 05:11:57 PMMeanwhile, the team that wins the NFC East will end up anywhere between 9-7 and 7-9.
Somebody has to win the division games.
Quote from: texaskdog on October 27, 2013, 01:11:54 AM
Pain is to be a Vikings fan. Growing up in Minnesota I became a fan in 1977....of the Cowboys. Queens do a great job of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Or like last week, getting utterly dominated even after being spotted 7 points. 8)
It's a tough league. If you ain't got an awesome quarterback, you ain't shit.
If you have a mediocre quarterback having a good season and a good defense maybe you can get lucky. The Ravens were just the latest to prove that last year. (Just like their other championship.) The Bears came one Manning away from doing it like that. The Bengals are trying to do it this year.
It really sucks that most of the Big 10 is having such a down season. Ohio State doesn't play any ranked opponents until That Team Up North in the last game of the regular season. Not looking good for Urban Meyer's National Championship aspirations.
As long as Stanford beats Oregon and one of Alabama/FSU loses, but yeah, why couldn't the playoff system start this year?
Florida State's best chance to lose is today, so go 'Canes.
Quote from: DSS5 on November 02, 2013, 12:43:01 PM
It really sucks that most of the Big 10 is having such a down season. Ohio State doesn't play any ranked opponents until That Team Up North in the last game of the regular season. Not looking good for Urban Meyer's National Championship aspirations.
??? Since when did Ohio State play Michigan State this season? They play unranked Michigan.
Quote from: Brandon on November 03, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: DSS5 on November 02, 2013, 12:43:01 PM
It really sucks that most of the Big 10 is having such a down season. Ohio State doesn't play any ranked opponents until That Team Up North in the last game of the regular season. Not looking good for Urban Meyer's National Championship aspirations.
??? Since when did Ohio State play Michigan State this season? They play unranked Michigan.
^^That. And, I believe Wisconsin gave Ohio State a run for its money...at the horseshoe no less.
It must be the stadium, because the Seahawks are now running away with the NFC's best record (10-1).
Quote from: Henry on December 03, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
It must be the stadium, because the Seahawks are now running away with the NFC's best record (10-1).
Correction!: 11-1They were having the Saints
RUN & :pan:
all night last night
...and into Tuesday morning. To add insult to injury, the Saints' plane broke down before they could escape town.
My thoughts on college football: Florida State has been so dominant this year, they obviously deserve a chance to play for the national championship. Ohio State hasn't lost a game in two years, they obviously deserve a chance to play for the national championship. Either Auburn, who beat the #1 team and whose only loss came to a good LSU team early in the season, or Missouri, whose only loss came to #10 South Carolina in double overtime, obviously deserves a chance to play for the national championship. And Alabama, whose only loss came on the last play of the game to their arch-rival and the #4 team, obviously deserves a chance to play for the national championship. Which is why we're starting a four-team playoff..... next year.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 04, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
Which is why we're starting a four-team playoff..... next year.
It would have been more dramatic if they had this playoff system implemented this year. However, a whole sleuth of things can happen before the berths of the BCS Championship come out. Any team could lose this weekend, and that could change any team's destiny of winning it all.
Florida State & Ohio State play pretty weak schedules, but very few FBS teams don't schedule creampuffs. The Pac 12 is the best conference and look where that has gotten them.
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on December 03, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 03, 2013, 01:40:56 PM
It must be the stadium, because the Seahawks are now running away with the NFC's best record (10-1).
Correction!: 11-1
They were having the Saints RUN & :pan:
all night last night
Oops, you're right!
Quote from: texaskdog on December 04, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Florida State & Ohio State play pretty weak schedules, but very few FBS teams don't schedule creampuffs. The Pac 12 is the best conference and look where that has gotten them.
The problem with FSU and OSU's schedules isn't that they schedule creampuffs, it's that their conferences themselves aren't very good. Likewise, I'm not sure what your comment on the Pac-12 was supposed to imply. The Pac-12 has improved to the point where you can mention them in the same breath as the SEC -- I wouldn't quite call them the best yet -- and because of that, had Stanford taken care of business against Utah, or Oregon against Arizona, they'd be mentioned in the same breath as Auburn/Missouri/Alabama.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 04, 2013, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on December 04, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
Florida State & Ohio State play pretty weak schedules, but very few FBS teams don't schedule creampuffs. The Pac 12 is the best conference and look where that has gotten them.
The problem with FSU and OSU's schedules isn't that they schedule creampuffs, it's that their conferences themselves aren't very good. Likewise, I'm not sure what your comment on the Pac-12 was supposed to imply. The Pac-12 has improved to the point where you can mention them in the same breath as the SEC -- I wouldn't quite call them the best yet -- and because of that, had Stanford taken care of business against Utah, or Oregon against Arizona, they'd be mentioned in the same breath as Auburn/Missouri/Alabama.
I do not think any collegiate conference is as difficult to get through as an SEC schedule. Yes I can agree that Florida State & Ohio State eased their way into the national title conversation, but as much as I would hate to say this, I would rather see Auburn in the national title game with one loss compared to these easy undefeated teams, in which Ohio State is hanging on by a thread to that undefeated record (Michigan failed that two-point conversion...).
I would also agree that OSU had a fairly easy schedule. Until last week's game against Michigan, Wisconsin was the only team to give them much of a challenge.
As much of a BigTen fan I am, I would rather not see OSU play for the National Championship. As history shows, they tend to lay an egg in the championship game, having lost both of their latest appearances ('07 & 08), and also owning a less than great recent bowl record, having lost 4 out of their last 6 bowl appearances (5 if you count the win they forfeited). But, maybe the third time is a charm. If they do get selected, I hope that is the case.
^^ And OSU will not play for the National Championship. :bigass: :cheers:
Go Green! Go White! Beat Stanford!
Quote from: Brandon on December 08, 2013, 01:28:39 AM
^^ And OSU will not play for the National Championship. :bigass: :cheers:
Between that and Rutgers getting into a bowl (the last time I'll root for them, thanks to Big 10 joining-ness-age), yesterday was a very good day in college football.
Roadgeek trivia. Auburn to Tallahassee are, by a large margin, the closest two schools to ever play for the national championship.
Quote from: Brandon on December 08, 2013, 01:28:39 AM
^^ And OSU will not play for the National Championship. :bigass: :cheers:
Go Green! Go White! Beat Stanford!
:clap: :clap:
MSU deserved it. I think MSU will represent the B1G well in the Rose Bowl. Given how OSU played yesterday, I think they would have imploded in the National Championship.
Quote from: SP Cook on December 08, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Roadgeek trivia. Auburn to Tallahassee are, by a large margin, the closest two schools to ever play for the national championship.
If we're talking pre-BCS, then UF and FSU were separated by about 150 miles back on New Year's Day in 1997.
Well NIU couldn't bust the BCS again this year :-| (Still going to Poinsetta bowl).
But people who think it won't be a blowout because UCF is now in, pleeeeaaassseeee. Such a weak AQ conference and shows the bias against any non-AQ opponent
D1-A College Football is an all-out joke. The bowls need to go away and go away now. FUCK tradition, fuck the history. All the D1-A is now is a money generating charade! The SEC has got the BCS by the balls and has had them squeezed for years. The $$$ runs the show now and and the big six will do whatever to keep it. The rest - they can't beat them so they will have to try to compete for spots on the Prime 6. Why do you think teams are jumping between conferences?
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 08, 2013, 10:23:43 PM
D1-A College Football is an all-out joke. The bowls need to go away and go away now. FUCK tradition, fuck the history. All the D1-A is now is a money generating charade! The SEC has got the BCS by the balls and has had them squeezed for years. The $$$ runs the show now and and the big six will do whatever to keep it. The rest - they can't beat them so they will have to try to compete for spots on the Prime 6. Why do you think teams are jumping between conferences?
This is the last season for the BCS. Next season starts a three-game, four-team playoff.
Quote from: SP Cook on December 08, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Roadgeek trivia. Auburn to Tallahassee are, by a large margin, the closest two schools to ever play for the national championship.
Had FSU somehow lost yesterday, it's in the realm of possibility that Alabama and Auburn could have rematched in the title game, which would have been 40 miles even closer. However, it's also possible that Michigan State would have gotten the nod over Alabama, for the same reason that saw LSU in over Michigan a few years ago.
Quote from: Steve on December 09, 2013, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on December 08, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Roadgeek trivia. Auburn to Tallahassee are, by a large margin, the closest two schools to ever play for the national championship.
Had FSU somehow lost yesterday, it's in the realm of possibility that Alabama and Auburn could have rematched in the title game, which would have been 40 miles even closer. However, it's also possible that Michigan State would have gotten the nod over Alabama, for the same reason that saw LSU in over Michigan a few years ago.
There is no way Alabama should even be near the title game. If you did not win your conference, you don't belong in it.
Quote from: ET21 on December 08, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
Well NIU couldn't bust the BCS again this year :-| (Still going to Poinsetta bowl).
But people who think it won't be a blowout because UCF is now in, pleeeeaaassseeee. Such a weak AQ conference and shows the bias against any non-AQ opponent
Wanted into the BCS? Don't lose to Bowling Green. Our (UCF's) only loss was to South Carolina by a field goal. We had a few games that were way too close against bad teams but at least we pulled out a win.
We'll hold our own against Baylor. Win or not, it's going to be a very close game.
Quote from: Brandon on December 09, 2013, 06:28:38 AM
Quote from: Steve on December 09, 2013, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on December 08, 2013, 02:21:06 PM
Roadgeek trivia. Auburn to Tallahassee are, by a large margin, the closest two schools to ever play for the national championship.
Had FSU somehow lost yesterday, it's in the realm of possibility that Alabama and Auburn could have rematched in the title game, which would have been 40 miles even closer. However, it's also possible that Michigan State would have gotten the nod over Alabama, for the same reason that saw LSU in over Michigan a few years ago.
There is no way Alabama should even be near the title game. If you did not win your conference, you don't belong in it.
It happened before - it will happen again. LSU and Alabama rematched in the title game a few years back. The SEC is heavily Favorited in this league.
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 08, 2013, 10:23:43 PM
D1-A College Football is an all-out joke. The bowls need to go away and go away now. FUCK tradition, fuck the history. All the D1-A is now is a money generating charade! The SEC has got the BCS by the balls and has had them squeezed for years. The $$$ runs the show now and and the big six will do whatever to keep it. The rest - they can't beat them so they will have to try to compete for spots on the Prime 6. Why do you think teams are jumping between conferences?
Duh, having to hear all the talk about "deserving" teams when every one of them schedules the weakest opponents they can find for non-conference. Not one of the top teams has a tough schedule.
Big day in the NFL.
Peyton breaks the record for most TDs in a season.
My Saints blow the game against the Panthers.
Cowboys win in Washington.
And does ANYONE want to win the NFC-North???
:confused:
:spin:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
And does ANYONE want to win the NFC-North???
:confused:
:spin:
Mike
It's sad that a team lost to my Giants...and it had to be the Lions out of all of them to lose the division the way they did...jeeze
Greg Schiano is no longer coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs...there IS a God! And he's taking GM Mark Dominik with him!
Looks like Lovie Smith may end up Tampa's HC (if you go by the reactions from a couple of the Bucs sports blogs I read), as long as you get him a good OC. I hear Rob Chudzinski is looking for work...
Quote from: mgk920 on December 23, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
And does ANYONE want to win the NFC-North???
:confused:
:spin:
Fine, I guess
we will.
Man, when Rodgers went down at the start of November, I had thrown in the towel.
But then the Lions decided to Detroit it up, Matt Flynn played okay, Tony Romo continues to prove he can't play in December and course, Da Bears Still Suck. The door was wide open for Detroit or Chicago but they couldn't sink the easy layup.
At least this time, San Francisco has to come to Green Bay. That's one of those teams the NFL never seems to make come to Lambeau during the regular season. Them, Dallas and New England. Just watch; next season the Packers and Patriots will play each other (NFC north vs. AFC east next year) and that game will be in Foxboro. Guaranteed.
Anyway, I'm sure Kapernick will play great against Green Bay like always. Figures the guy goes into a little sophomore slump
after a lights-out game to start the season against MY team. It's going to come down to the Niner's D, since I know that Green Bay is going to give up a lot of points. Only question is, will A-Rodg and company be able to keep pace against one of the league's best defenses?
Lots of teams from out west in the playoffs this year. 3 out of the 4 wild card spots. Well done.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 31, 2013, 01:17:32 PM
Just watch; next season the Packers and Patriots will play each other (NFC north vs. AFC east next year) and that game will be in Foxboro. Guaranteed.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24393346/nfl-announces-2014-regular-season-opponents?fb_action_ids=10151910007483434&fb_action_types=og.likes (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24393346/nfl-announces-2014-regular-season-opponents?fb_action_ids=10151910007483434&fb_action_types=og.likes)
NE at GB in 2014
Congrats to the Spartans. Nice win for the Big Ten.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Congrats to the Spartans. Nice win for the Big Ten.
Exactly! :cheers: :thumbsup: :colorful: :bigass:
Quote from: ET21 on December 08, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
Well NIU couldn't bust the BCS again this year :-| (Still going to Poinsetta bowl).
But people who think it won't be a blowout because UCF is now in, pleeeeaaassseeee. Such a weak AQ conference and shows the bias against any non-AQ opponent
UCF 52, Baylor 42.You were saying something?
I saw this article about the NFL attendance at playoff
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/content/20140103-bill-reynolds-attendance-at-playoff-should-be-a-concern-for-nfl.ece
Quote
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH:
So here's the question: Why did three NFL playoff games go right to the wire before the home teams announced they were sellouts, thus avoiding local TV blackouts?
Is it the economy?
Is the fear of bad weather?
Is it the increasing sense that staying at home and watching games on big TV screens is better than sitting in a lousy seat in the cold?
All of the above?
Whatever the reason, it's something the NFL poobahs should be concerned about.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on January 06, 2014, 10:21:54 PM
I saw this article about the NFL attendance at playoff
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/content/20140103-bill-reynolds-attendance-at-playoff-should-be-a-concern-for-nfl.ece
Quote
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH:
So here's the question: Why did three NFL playoff games go right to the wire before the home teams announced they were sellouts, thus avoiding local TV blackouts?
Is it the economy?
Is the fear of bad weather?
Is it the increasing sense that staying at home and watching games on big TV screens is better than sitting in a lousy seat in the cold?
All of the above?
Whatever the reason, it's something the NFL poobahs should be concerned about.
IMO, most fans would rather watch a game from the comforts of home, rather than pay $200 dollars to crammed into small seats in freezing temperatures. Explains why NFL ratings are growing but attendance is decreasing.
And then there were four.
Manning vs. Brady and Kappy vs. Wilson
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 13, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
And then there were four.
Manning vs. Brady and Kappy vs. Wilson
Since my brother lives in Denver, I'm going with the Broncos and Seahawks in their respective conference championship games.
Game started!
I'm rooting the other way, but this Super Bowl might become the 420 Bowl, with both teams hailing from states that have legalized the ganja bush
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
I'm rooting the other way, but this Super Bowl might become the 420 Bowl, with both teams hailing from states that have legalized the ganja bush...
...and playing in a state that probably won't even consider legalizing it until who knows when. Remember, the folks in Trenton are too busy with Bridgegate and whatnot that they don't even seem to know that the mayor of the Capital City is being indicted on corruption charges. Legalizing weed? Maybe that'll happen when the cities in this state stop falling into disrepair and becoming a hazard to live in. /rant
But on topic, my Eagles were knocked out in the first round despite a valiant effort... so I guess I'll be rooting for Denver, seeing as I think Peyton deserves to win another championship as he continues to amaze everyone this season. As for the 49ers and the Seahawks... I would say Seattle, but after what happened last year in the Harbowl I don't think I will count San Fransisco out just yet.
Well then, that was quite a post game interview between Sherman and Erin Andrews
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
this Super Bowl might become the 420 Bowl, with both teams hailing from states that have legalized the ganja bush
I heard someone call it the Smoke-a-Bowl
Quote from: Buck87 on January 19, 2014, 10:31:08 PM
I heard someone call it the Smoke-a-Bowl
Some folks also call it the Marijuana Bowl http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/denver-seattle-rooting-for-a-marijuana-bowl-011714
The Pro Bowl isn't horrible so far. Somewhat entertaining for a change.
One guy predicts the Super Bowl winner with chicken bones
With the Super Bowl set to be played in New York (technically, East Rutherford, NJ), this might open the door to other cold-climate cities with open-air stadiums hosting Super Bowls. I'd be thrilled if somehow Chicago got one.
It's a long list, but here are the cities that have yet to host a Super Bowl:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Washington
Quote from: Henry on January 29, 2014, 11:33:09 AMIt's a long list, but here are the cities that have yet to host a Super Bowl:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Washington
You missed off a few thousand cities there...
Oh wait, you mean cities with NFL stadiums that haven't had it. You forgot London (3 games next season) and Toronto (where the Bills play one home game a season and some preseason stuff).
Money's rather good on London: a Superbowl in European prime-time would be a real burst into the market here. The regular season games are quick sell outs at high prices. The stadium is among the biggest and has a retractable roof if needed. The hospitality facilities nearby are already rather well developed. The only problems are that it is a nightmare to get to for American fans and that an International Series game makes the NFL Superbowl kind of money off hospitality and ticket sales anyway, so little need to throw the big money-spinner when a bog-standard regular season game gets almost as much return.
The only one of those cities that I'd think would have hosted a Super Bowl at some point is St. Louis. They have a dome that can seat up to 70,000, but it's never been played there. I know the stadium has a reputation as being a bit of a dump of a stadium, but the Metrodome did as well. (When I went to a game at the old Miami Orange Bowl in 2005, I was shocked that stadium had hosted several Super Bowls. It made RFK Stadium in DC seem like an ultramodern sports palace. But I guess stadium design has evolved over the years.)
Toronto won't ever host a Super Bowl as long as the SkyDome is their main stadium. It's too small.
London would be an interesting possibility, but it raises a serious practical problem: TV, due to the time difference. The Super Bowl normally kicks off around 6:25 PM US Eastern Time. That's 11:25 PM in London. That's not happening. It's unclear whether the league would be amenable to playing it in the afternoon US Eastern Time, which also means playing it in the morning Pacific Time.
An 8pm start in London is a 12pm start on the West Coast. Certainly that would be an acceptable time to start playing in Wembley, though you couldn't really go later.
The main reason for London would surely be to have the game prime time in Europe, not the small hours (when the Superbowl currently starts, it's the next day France, Spain, Germany, etc) and America would watch it even if it's lunchtime, or late afternoon. After all, NFL show games at those times on the East Coast (and are going to have one morning game next year - 9.30 EST start for the second London game, which is 1330 GMT - just for the quadruple-bill) anyway and it is the Superbowl - massive event TV that you reschedule your day to watch it...
And an earlier finish allows the networks to air their normal bring-in-the-big-audience programming in the late evening, rather than the ones not airing the football resigned to no one watching them and putting on re-runs.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 29, 2014, 12:59:27 PM
London would be an interesting possibility, but it raises a serious practical problem: TV, due to the time difference. The Super Bowl normally kicks off around 6:25 PM US Eastern Time. That's 11:25 PM in London. That's not happening. It's unclear whether the league would be amenable to playing it in the afternoon US Eastern Time, which also means playing it in the morning Pacific Time.
The bigger problem would be convincing sponsors, media, and the like to fork over twice as much for airfare (or even much more for cargo). Fans wouldn't be terribly receptive to the travel, either. Some folks grumble over the "loss" of one of their home games...then there's the passport and security issue, and a day essentially lost in travel - for both directions. Unless the NFL becomes as big a pastime as association football is in Europe (very unlikely), I don't think it will happen.
Still, there's no reason this game (no matter where it's played) can't be started at 4pm Eastern Time. I'd prefer it even earlier, but I suppose there's some church-goers on the West Coast who'd probably have to race home. This gives enough time for the drunken dolts to sober up and for kids to actually stay up and watch it. If it's already the biggest TV event each year, there's obviously nothing competing for the time spot except for pre-game stuff and infomercials. And it's January/February...nobody has anything planned that day, anyhow.
I kind of like the idea of a Saturday Super Bowl. Everyone can have Super Bowl parties and then have all day Sunday to sleep it off. I suppose your point about church-goers complaining about a game that falls earlier on the West Coast might apply on Saturday with people who observe that day as the Sabbath, but you can't please every last group out there, and I believe the largest concentration of people to whom that issue would apply can be found on the East Coast anyway, especially in New York (consider that many buildings in New York have a "Sabbath elevator" that automatically stops on every floor between sundown on Friday and sundown on Saturday).
I don't mind the 6:30 PM start because it works well here in DC. The Capitals usually have a home game at 12:30 that day (this year they play the Red Wings). We either go to that game or watch it on TV, it's done around 3:00, and we then have three hours prior to the football game.
London Super Bowl? Don't give Roger Godell any ideas!
Quote from: Henry on January 29, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
It's a long list, but here are the cities that have yet to host a Super Bowl:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Washington Landover, Maryland.
FTFY.
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
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My wild and crazy guess: My coworker will win money in the Super Bowl pool.
(She got the 0,0 box)
Former NFL star Joe Namath said he's had brain related medical issues
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/31/joe-namath-says-hes-had-brain-related-medical-issues/
Speaking of Joe Namath, here a clip where he appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 31, 2014, 06:21:14 PM
London Super Bowl? Don't give Roger Godell any ideas!
Goodell's already talked about playing a Super Bowl at Wembley. So far it's just been talk.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 01, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Former NFL star Joe Namath said he's had brain related medical issues
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/31/joe-namath-says-hes-had-brain-related-medical-issues/
Speaking of Joe Namath, here a clip where he appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show
Okay, prove that it's related to football and not alcohol.
Quote from: formulanone on January 29, 2014, 02:49:17 PMThe bigger problem would be convincing sponsors, media, and the like to fork over twice as much for airfare (or even much more for cargo).
I don't think that would be a huge issue - and you can pick up other corporate guys, European guys, to fork over.
QuoteFans wouldn't be terribly receptive to the travel, either. Some folks grumble over the "loss" of one of their home games...then there's the passport and security issue, and a day essentially lost in travel - for both directions.
This is the main issue.
QuoteUnless the NFL becomes as big a pastime as association football is in Europe (very unlikely), I don't think it will happen.
That seems an unnecessarily high bar to climb. Sure, we don't want any empty seats in the stadium, but we know that isn't going to be the case.
And the point of it is to promote American Football in Europe, not reward Europe for making American Football their number 1 sport. If the Superbowl doesn't start in Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, etc until after midnight, and the UK and Ireland after 11pm, then there's little hope of making the sport mainstream.
And it isn't as if the game won't sell out very quickly, the atmosphere won't be great, the NFL won't make just as much money... It's not a total wilderness for the sport with insane weather that makes it impossible to play - like the Qatari soccer World Cup.
QuoteStill, there's no reason this game (no matter where it's played) can't be started at 4pm Eastern Time.
That would certainly help! I'm not looking forward to the amount of sugar and caffeine needed to not fall asleep tomorrow night before the game ends at some point around 3am. Having it start at 9pm UK time means an end at about half midnight - rather more tolerable and watchable by people who aren't total fanatics/not working the next day...
And due to the Super Bowl quicking off after midnight CET, I say it will be played tomorrow Monday, not today :sombrero:.
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
one right so far!
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
I remembered this post when Seattle got the Safety. Nice call!
Well, that Super Bowl was incredibly... dull. I expected a close game, but looks like I was way off. Anyway, congratulations Seattle on your first Super Bowl win. :) And I still think Peyton did good, even if the score doesn't reflect it.
EDIT: Also, I couldn't resist (1k posts is a nice milestone):
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Quote from: Alex on February 02, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
I remembered this post when Seattle got the Safety. Nice call!
2nd Super Bowl in 3 years to have the first scoring play be a safety. Super Bowl XLVI had the Giants score a safety due to an intentional grounding on Tom Brady in the end zone.
I was for Seattle and I was shocked at just how big of a blow-out this game was. I had expected it to be much more competitive. Still, I thought Denver had a shot at making it somewhat close until Percy Harvin ran the kickoff for at TD and made it 29-0. That's when I knew it was truly over for Denver.
Well, since the Seahawks beat up on the Broncos, I now have bragging rights against my younger brother Jeff for the next year at least.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on February 03, 2014, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 02, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
I remembered this post when Seattle got the Safety. Nice call!
2nd Super Bowl in 3 years to have the first scoring play be a safety. Super Bowl XLVI had the Giants score a safety due to an intentional grounding on Tom Brady in the end zone.
What's the last time the first play of the game was a safety? It's impossible to Google that info right now.
Quote from: Alps on February 03, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on February 03, 2014, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: Alex on February 02, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
For the Super Bowl, I have 3 extremely rare wild guesses. Let's see if any come true.
1. There will be a touchdown at 4:04 in the 2nd quarter.
2. The loser will have 29 points.
3. The first score will be a safety.
I remembered this post when Seattle got the Safety. Nice call!
2nd Super Bowl in 3 years to have the first scoring play be a safety. Super Bowl XLVI had the Giants score a safety due to an intentional grounding on Tom Brady in the end zone.
What's the last time the first play of the game was a safety? It's impossible to Google that info right now.
Has it ever happened?
Quote from: SD Mapman on February 03, 2014, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 03, 2014, 06:28:19 PMWhat's the last time the first play of the game was a safety? It's impossible to Google that info right now.
Has it ever happened?
I believe Alex is referring to the first
scoring play rather than first play of the game. In Super Bowl XLVI the first scoring play was a safety (I think it occurred on 2nd down), and in Super Bowl IX the first scoring play was a safety as well.
I think that this was the first SB to have a safety scored on the first play, though.
the Hell? three times the Super Bowl has started 2-0? I should have taken that prop bet.
Quote from: Henry on January 29, 2014, 11:33:09 AMIt's a long list, but here are the cities that have yet to host a Super Bowl:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Washington
Somehow you forgot one of the cities that played in this year's game. (And all sounds point to them -- us -- ramping up our efforts to put a bid together.)
Quote from: Kacie Jane on February 09, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
Somehow you forgot one of the cities that played in this year's game. (And all sounds point to them -- us -- ramping up our efforts to put a bid together.)
You are so right! How could I forget the home of the current Super Bowl champions? Here's the amended list:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Landover (Washington), Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Seattle
And if the Rams move back to L.A., that means no chance for St. Louis, ever. Unless they build a new stadium or refurbish the current one to modern standards, that is.
Quote from: Henry on February 10, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on February 09, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
Somehow you forgot one of the cities that played in this year's game. (And all sounds point to them -- us -- ramping up our efforts to put a bid together.)
You are so right! How could I forget the home of the current Super Bowl champions? Here's the amended list:
Baltimore, Buffalo, Charlotte (Carolina), Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Foxboro (New England), Green Bay, Kansas City, Landover (Washington), Nashville (Tennessee), Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Seattle
And if the Rams move back to L.A., that means no chance for St. Louis, ever. Unless they build a new stadium or refurbish the current one to modern standards, that is.
Is there reason to expect the Rams may leave St. Louis?
NFL is looking at the Rams returning to LA, and the Jags moving to London. The state of the league address this year said that London getting a franchise is likely in the next 5 years.
Quote from: english si on February 10, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
NFL is looking at the Rams returning to LA, and the Jags moving to London. The state of the league address this year said that London getting a franchise is likely in the next 5 years.
The State of the City of Owensboro address said I-69 should go there. I don't put too much stock in those things. London would have to play West Coast teams periodically, which puts someone in a ridiculous jetlag rut no matter the location.
As for the Rams, I just read up on their situation. It's just ridiculous the hoops that cities have to jump through for these teams.
Quote from: english si on February 10, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
NFL is looking at the Rams returning to LA, and the Jags moving to London. The state of the league address this year said that London getting a franchise is likely in the next 5 years.
There's also the possibility of two franchises returning to their old home turf (Raiders and Chargers); lots of people tend to forget that in the dawn of the AFL, the Chargers originated in Los Angeles instead of San Diego.
As for London, that would certainly be an intriguing venue, but the one drawback would be the extra mileage that teams will have to log on a regular basis, not to mention the large time difference between there and the East Coast.
Oh yes, I don't understand why NFL bigwigs think London is a good idea* - I'm just saying they do.
They made a bid to take over the Olympic stadium, but lost (as what happens the rest of the year outside those 8 home games?). That's pretty serious intent.
*there's other issues like Football fans supporting various teams and having to try and get them to support the local one - guess that's a problem with all franchise moves to new territory.
How to solve the problems:
* Move Jacksonville to Los Angeles. Rename them the Pumas or Cougars as appropriate.
* If St. Louis can't work out a deal, move them to the north side of San Antonio and rename them Texas. There have to be enough people there to support a team.
Quote from: Alps on February 11, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
How to solve the problems:
* Move Jacksonville to Los Angeles. Rename them the Pumas or Cougars as appropriate.
* If St. Louis can't work out a deal, move them to the north side of San Antonio and rename them Texas. There have to be enough people there to support a team.
Jacksonville to L.A. is an oft-mentioned scenario. The Cowboys may have a say in any team's move to San Antonio. They consider it their territory and would probably force any team that wants to go there to pay a huge fee to them.
Quote from: apeman33 on February 12, 2014, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 11, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
How to solve the problems:
* Move Jacksonville to Los Angeles. Rename them the Pumas or Cougars as appropriate.
* If St. Louis can't work out a deal, move them to the north side of San Antonio and rename them Texas. There have to be enough people there to support a team.
Jacksonville to L.A. is an oft-mentioned scenario. The Cowboys may have a say in any team's move to San Antonio. They consider it their territory and would probably force any team that wants to go there to pay a huge fee to them.
The territorial encroachment penalty can have devastating effects. Just ask the New Jersey Nets.
If the NFL does expand or have a team move, maybe Oklahoma City could be a possibility.
There are some cities that could support a team if there wasn't another NFL team within 100-300 miles from them. Cities such as Memphis, Columbus, OH, Portland, OR, San Antonio, Sacramento, or the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. There also are some "dark horse" cities such as Albuquerque, Omaha, and El Paso that, with proper ownership, marketing, and a little success early, could support an NFL team.
Memphis tried for decades to get its own team. Then the whole fiasco with the Tennessee Oilers/Titans plan to camp out there for two years soured things (and forced the Oilers/Titans to go ahead and move the rest of the way to Nashville a year early and play at Vanderbilt's stadium).
Columbus is all about Ohio State and the NFL wouldn't allow it with the Brown and Bengals both in the state.
Portland would have to build a stadium and it just got through converting the old facility to a soccer-specific stadium for the Timbers, which ended up forcing the minor-league baseball team to move.
San Antonio, see my post above. Sacramento would have similar issues with the Raiders and perhaps the 49ers.
Of the three remaining, I'd think Omaha would be the only one that could pull it off. But it's not just about the size of the city, it's the size of the market. El Paso as a city is fairly large. As a TV market, it's smaller than Green Bay. (Green Bay is market No. 70 and also has a boost from Milwaukee. El Paso is No. 91). It's also a smaller TV market than Wichita, Flint, Springfield, Mo., Portland, Me., Cape Girardeau-Paducah and Colorado Springs, to name only a few (Omaha is No. 74, four spots below Green Bay).
There aren't many places left for major league sports to go. Once Los Angeles gets an NFL team (or two), where does another team threaten to move to? Oklahoma City and maybe Birmingham? That's where the talk of putting a team in London comes from. The U.S. is pretty much filled up.
The Tampa Bay Bucs just unveiled their new unis to complement their new (well, revamped) helmets:
http://nfl.si.com/2014/03/03/new-tampa-bay-buccaneers-uniforms/?eref=sihp
Ok, I can sort of get into the unis for the most part (the addition of the orange as a shout-out to their first unis was nice) but those NUMERALS...NONONONO!!!
CLOCK LED NUMERALS??????
Oh, hell no...
Yuck. Apparently someone forgot to tell them the XFL folded a decade ago.
MLS teams had the LED numerals until they changed the font last year.
Regarding the NFL talk above, San Antonio doesn't exactly have the most outstanding pro football history. The Gunslingers were a disaster, but then the USFL deserves some blame for putting a team there when all their analysts' reports emphatically stated San Antonio could not support a professional football team. The WLAF's Riders didn't draw well either, though part of that was due to the stadium they played in for their first season not allowing beer sales, with the result being they played their second and final season at a stadium 45 miles outside the city. Two years later, the CFL's Sacramento Gold Miners moved to San Antonio and became the Texans, playing at the Alamodome (unique in that it fit the full CFL-sized field with no adaptations). The Texans drew reasonably well in their lone season, but after that year the CFL terminated all the US franchises except for the Baltimore Stallions, who moved to Montreal.
In fairness, those teams all played 20 to 30 years ago in what most Americans considered to be "minor leagues," and there's no question San Antonio has grown a lot since then. The biggest issue they'd face would be the territorial issue with the Dallas and Houston franchises.
You forgot the 2005 season, when the Saints played in San Antonio following Hurricane Katrina. Before Katrina, one popular rumor was that Tom Benson would move the Saints to San Antonio if the state failed to properly kiss his posterior.
I didn't forget. I didn't list them because they weren't a true San Antonio team, that's all.
And the NFL free agency free-for-all has begun!
I spotted that article from April 2013 from the Chicago Tribute about the death of American football
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-24/news/ct-met-kass-0424-20130424_1_future-football-players-nfl-draft-the-nfl
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With all that college beef on parade this week, the NFL draft is a wonder of sports marketing, a televised pageant for the multibillion-dollar American football industry.
But there's something football fans should know:
Football is dead in America.
Even through all the chatter and cheerleading and media hype, football as an American cultural institution lies in final spasm. It's as dead as the Marlboro Man.
And if the professional game survives at all, it will be relegated to the pile of trash sports, like mixed martial arts or whatever is done in third-rate arenas with monster trucks and mud. It won't be as American as apple pie. Instead, football will become the province of people with face tattoos.
Lawyers are circling football now. For years they've had their wings locked, cruising overhead, but lately they've swooped in low, landing and hopping over to take chunks out of the great billion-dollar beast.
But it's not the lawyers who are the death of football. Blaming lawyers misses the point. Like their counterparts in nature, lawyers are merely the cleanup crew. What finishes football are the parents of future football players.
And now, Mark Cuban, current owner of the Dallas Mavericks of the NBA predicts a NFL implosion in 10 years.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-mark-cuban-nfl-implosion-20140324,0,4490962.story#ixzz2wuX9LlKx
Edit: interesting to read some reactions posted by various fans on ESPN http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10662203/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-says-greedy-nfl-10-years-away-implosion
QuoteDallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban knows what it takes to run a successful business.
Apparently the billionaire also knows a bit about farm animals.
At least that's the analogy he kept falling back on Sunday night when predicting the eventual downfall of another professional sports league.
"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban told reporters before the Mavericks' game against the Brooklyn Nets. "I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way.
"I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business."
Quote from: apeman33 on March 01, 2014, 02:40:14 AM
There aren't many places left for major league sports to go. Once Los Angeles gets an NFL team (or two), where does another team threaten to move to? Oklahoma City and maybe Birmingham? That's where the talk of putting a team in London comes from. The U.S. is pretty much filled up.
I could see OKC as a possibility (what with the success of the NBA there, even if it had to be a team that once belonged to Seattle), but Birmingham would have an issue, seeing that the Falcons and Titans are the closest two teams to it.
I dust-off this topic. In the CFL, the Ottawa Redblacks (aka Rouge & Noir in French) won the East division championship and will go against the Edmonton Eskimos. Interesting to note then it's the 1st time since 1981 since CFL teams from Edmonton and Ottawa meet. http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/cfl/ottawa-redblacks-advance-to-grey-cup-with-stunning-late-touchdown-pass
The Redblacks replaced the short-lived Renegades (2002-05) who themselves tried to fit the void left by the departure of the Rough Riders in 1996. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Redblacks
I think lots of folks will cheer for Ottawa due to their image of underdogs.
Pretty cool for Ottawa to make it in only their 2nd year.
The Eskimos won the Grey Cup......I hope Ottawa will be back next year.
After the "deflategate", here comes the "hormonegate" with suspicions then Peyton Manning had received human growth hormone (HGH) from an Indianapolis-area clinic in 2011. http://www.tsn.ca/manning-calls-hgh-allegations-complete-garbage-1.414348
Anyone hear about the MLFB? Think they will make it?
Quote from: texaskdog on December 27, 2015, 10:52:07 PM
Anyone hear about the MLFB? Think they will make it?
I hadn't until you posted this, but after reading up on it a bit I think it's an interesting idea and I hope they can make it work.
Supposedly they are going to start this spring, but they haven't even announced the 8 franchise cities yet (although their website says they're "getting closer" to announcing them)
Huh. Is this at all related to the New USFL?
Quote from: Pete from Boston on December 30, 2015, 05:25:11 PM
Huh. Is this at all related to the New USFL?
No, looks like it's a similar idea that's likely going to beat the New USLF to the punch (I see that the NUSFL organization has been around for years but keeps pushing back their projected start date)
Here's a video of the MLFB President giving a speech to a group of prospective players:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkGLMy-kFQ
I saw this article from the USA Today about College Football playoffs ratings.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/01/01/tv-ratings-for-college-football-playoff-down-36-percent/78178798/
^^
Of course, those games were boring blowouts. I can't imagine anyone bothering to stick around for the second half when one team is up 3 touchdowns.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 02, 2016, 09:26:58 PM
^^
Of course, those games were boring blowouts. I can't imagine anyone bothering to stick around for the second half when one team is up 3 touchdowns.
Or 4, like TCU
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 02, 2016, 09:26:58 PM
^^
Of course, those games were boring blowouts. I can't imagine anyone bothering to stick around for the second half when one team is up 3 touchdowns.
They were also on a day when sports are not first on most peoples' minds.
Mike
Another possible reason of a curse toward the Buffalo Bills: "Cigarette Man" from the X-Files who said as long as he's alive, the Bills will never win the Super Bowl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dh2lkzkPnY
So in the NFL final 4 we have...
- one team whose geographical name is that of a city
- one team whose geographical name is that of state
- one team whose geographical name is that of a two state area
- one team whose geographical name is that of a six state area
-?
-?
-Carolina Panthers
-New England Patriots ( :thumbsup: :clap: :biggrin:)
What are the ?
Denver Broncos
Arizona Cardinals
Panthers-Pats. However thank you Arizona for beating the village of Green Bay.
Quote from: ET21 on January 19, 2016, 12:10:54 AM
Panthers-Pats.
Barf. Only thing I can root for in that is Charles Tillman (fellow Ragin' Cajun) having a great game against the Patriots.
On the topic of Major League Football, they have announced that their 3 day draft process starts on Wednesday January 27.....but they still haven't announced which cities are getting franchises
Quote from: Buck87 on January 25, 2016, 07:04:03 PM
On the topic of Major League Football, they have announced that their 3 day draft process starts on Wednesday January 27.....but they still haven't announced which cities are getting franchises
My bet would be Austin, Birmingham, Las Vegas, Memphis, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento, San Antonio. 5 of these cities were WFL/USFL cities. Austin, Las Vegas, and Sacramento are up and coming cities that have no NFL or MLB team. Saint Louis would be an excellent market but not only are they an MLB city they are a baseball city, plus the market was just vacated.
Go win SB 50, Manning and the Broncos, but beware the 15-1 Panthers! and Watson's ability to make more than one touchdown. The Pats' chances of repeating were..."deflated" (ROFL!). The Panthers' 3rd NFC title game and 2nd SB appearance is good team history for 20 seasons they existed.
Good to know the Rams returned to L.A. for the 2016 season, but not sure the Chargers or Raiders want to play where they have a local rival. They want a new stadium...and be the only NFL team around in a new sports market. My suggestion for the Raiders is to share Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara where the SF 49ers play, but the Raiders and 49ers have to agree on a settlement they both approve of.
MLFB currently is in the midst of their 3 day draft process despite not having announced the teams and locations. What they are doing is using the head coaches names instead of team names.
Here is the league's stated reason for the delay in the teams being announced: http://www.mlfbmedia.com/examiner-one-on-one-mlfb-franchise-cities/
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
How tangible.
Quote from: jbnv on January 28, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
How tangible.
And none of them end with an "s".
Quote from: Big John on January 28, 2016, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: jbnv on January 28, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
How tangible.
And none of them end with an "s".
Really interesting–these are hardcore college football markets. I guess they're aiming for where there's a demonstrated excitement about football, but they're going to test just how much football mature, well-exploited markets will bear.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
Those are soccer team names.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 28, 2016, 08:43:13 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Though it was pointed out on the MLFB Facebook page (in comments that have since disappeared) that the MLFB has filed trademarks for the following 8 names: Alabama Airborne, Arkansas Attack, Florida Fusion, Northwest Empire, Ohio Union, Oklahoma Nation, Texas Independence & Utah Stand.
Those are soccer team names.
Those are World Football League names.
I love this line from their website:
"MLFB's strategically placed spring / summer season will fill a critical need for outdoor football at that time of the year when sports content is in high demand."
Critical need! Ha!
I have seen very few ventures that have this much to say about themselves while saying so little specific.
MLFB's best chance for success: cut a dirt-cheap deal with the CW or one of the rudimentary basic cable channels like TBS for broadcast rights. That would maximize their exposure.
They need to follow the model of recent internet successes. Give it away for nothing (or almost nothing) until you get established. Then start charging real money or selling real ads. It worked for Facebook. It worked for Hulu. It worked for Pandora.
Their PR boasts of a deal with some sports channel called ASN. I'm sure if they're on a household name like ASN, they have nothing to worry about.
ASN is the American Sports Network. Right now from them, what I see is they show usually mid-major level college basketball and football games, and some college hockey. Usually the arenas are 3/4 empty and you can actually hear the ball bouncing and the shoes squeaking on the court. In my area, the games are on a secondary digital channel of the local Fox affiliate, 47.3. I'm sure the new MLFB will gain huuuge exposure.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned
Now the Chinese has their own version of the NFL.
People are burned out on football after the Super Bowl and really don't want to watch something that they'd call "minor league." The XFL had a decent chance at success, they were on NBC, UPN and TNN but that folded after a year.
Quote from: bing101 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned
Now the Chinese has their own version of the NFL.
How does one say "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" in Mandarin?
I somewhat understand the U.S.'s engrained history and culture of football begetting a slow acceptance of the reality plaguing football players, but I'm surprised folks without that history wouldn't look at it more warily. Score one for NFL marketing.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 03, 2016, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: bing101 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned (http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned)
Now the Chinese has their own version of the NFL.
How does one say "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" in Mandarin?
I somewhat understand the U.S.'s engrained history and culture of football begetting a slow acceptance of the reality plaguing football players, but I'm surprised folks without that history wouldn't look at it more warily. Score one for NFL marketing.
Well the Chinese version of Roger Goodell is making the attempt to spread the Chinese edition of the NFL in the country.
Quote from: bing101 on February 03, 2016, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on February 03, 2016, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: bing101 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned (http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned)
Now the Chinese has their own version of the NFL.
How does one say "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" in Mandarin?
I somewhat understand the U.S.'s engrained history and culture of football begetting a slow acceptance of the reality plaguing football players, but I'm surprised folks without that history wouldn't look at it more warily. Score one for NFL marketing.
Well the Chinese version of Roger Goodell is making the attempt to spread the Chinese edition of the NFL in the country.
My guess, though, is that the NFL's global marketing really celebrates the excitement of the game without the healthy counterpoint of scrutiny that exists here. Like so much else of our culture that gets exported, people will learn one way or another that it's not all fun and games.
Quote from: bing101 on February 03, 2016, 10:54:15 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/03/465387338/american-football-catches-on-in-china-league-champion-crowned
Now the Chinese has their own version of the NFL.
Now
those are some team names people can get behind. I would totally root for the "Pandamen" or the "Combat Orcas." That's awesome! They'll sell so much merch if that sport catches on even a little. I can just see logos that have a Killer Whale dressed like a Navy SEAL and Ben Stiller in Tropic Thunder when he wore that panda skin in the jungle. :-D
Team names should be concrete nouns, not adjectives or abstract nouns. The MLFB will fail because they simply because they don't understand this basic concept of naming teams. People expect vicious animal names or hard-ass job titles; preferably with local flavor.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/06/surely-but-slowly-nfl-inching-forward-on-permanent-london-franchise
UK in the Mix for the NFL and Mexico.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/super-bowl-50-mexico-city-oakland-raiders-houston-texans-enrique-garay-020516
Quote from: bing101 on February 06, 2016, 12:32:20 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/06/surely-but-slowly-nfl-inching-forward-on-permanent-london-franchise
UK in the Mix for the NFL and Mexico.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/super-bowl-50-mexico-city-oakland-raiders-houston-texans-enrique-garay-020516
If the NFL expands internationally, they can put a team each in Canada (most likely Toronto), Mexico (Mexico City or Monterrey), the UK (London has the best chances) and another European Union team (located in Germany). The NFL plays on a weekly schedule in their teams' 17-game season, enough time to get over jet lag if they play 6-9 time zones away from home. The NFL held exhibition games in Japan before, like the Tokyo Dome. And there's a following of the NFL in Oceania or Australasia. Honolulu, Hawaii long had the Pro Bowl game, but they weren't viewed an ideal place for a regular season NFL team. Already in the US, St. Louis lost the Rams, San Diego and Oakland might relocate to L.A. and Las Vegas seeks a NFL team, which defeats the purpose of international expansion.
Expansion poses a mathematical problem. There currently are 32 teams: four teams for each of four divisions in two conferences. If the league adds teams, they will have to do so in a way that preserves the mathematical balance.
The league could add four teams and realign into two conferences with three divisions each with six teams each. That would accommodate London, Mexico City, Toronto and one more team. I think this is more likely to happen than for London, Mexico City, and Toronto to all get existing teams,.
Currently each team plays each team in its division twice (home and away), each team in a different division in the same conference, each team in one division in the other conference, and two other teams, for 16 games per team per season. In the expanded, realigned league, each team would play 10 games within the division and most likely the other 6 games among a divisional rotation.
Quote from: jbnv on February 06, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
The league could add four teams and realign into two conferences with three divisions each with six teams each. That would accommodate London, Mexico City, Toronto and one more team. I think this is more likely to happen than for London, Mexico City, and Toronto to all get existing teams,.
I guess if the NFL allow a concession to Toronto, I wonder what'll be the fate of CFL's Toronto Argonauts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Argonauts Come to think of it, it might have a big impact on the whole CFL.
Parliament passed some kind of law to protect the CFL that essentially kept the WFL out of Toronto (the team instead played in Memphis). Wonder if they'd do the same if the NFL tried to expand or move a team there.
Quote from: jbnv on February 06, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
Expansion poses a mathematical problem. There currently are 32 teams: four teams for each of four divisions in two conferences. If the league adds teams, they will have to do so in a way that preserves the mathematical balance.
The league could add four teams and realign into two conferences with three divisions each with six teams each. That would accommodate London, Mexico City, Toronto and one more team. I think this is more likely to happen than for London, Mexico City, and Toronto to all get existing teams,.
Currently each team plays each team in its division twice (home and away), each team in a different division in the same conference, each team in one division in the other conference, and two other teams, for 16 games per team per season. In the expanded, realigned league, each team would play 10 games within the division and most likely the other 6 games among a divisional rotation.
If you have six-team divisions, that guarantees a majority of games will be intra-division, and also that teams would face at most all the teams in only one other division. One beauty of the current structure (related to the number of teams being a power of two) is that each team plays every team in two other divisions (one in each conference) in a season, and will play every other team in the league at least once every four seasons. That diversifies teams' exposure to the rest of the league, rather than limiting their experience largely to intra-division games.
As for Toronto or other Canadian expansion:
-- the NFL tries to avoid competing with other football "leagues", such as no overlapping games with Friday night high school football and Saturday college games. To some extent, the CFL is also a talent feeder to the NFL, and so the NFL would prefer not to mess with it. True, Buffalo played some "home" games in Toronto, but I recall that experiment was structured to minimize stepping on the CFL's toes.
-- Toronto at least has an indoor stadium. Other Canadian cities don't, so playing NFL games in winter weather coming earlier than in the U.S. would complicate scheduling.
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160207/NEWS/160209874/arena-football-league-is-biting-the-bullet-downsizes-for-2016-season?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
Arena football downsizes.
Quote from: bing101 on February 10, 2016, 04:47:57 PM
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160207/NEWS/160209874/arena-football-league-is-biting-the-bullet-downsizes-for-2016-season?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
Arena football downsizes.
Arena Football league to be precise. I won't be surprised if some teams of AFL will move to the IFL like the Iowa Barnstormers and Spokane (who was forced to change its name due to the AFL keeping all the name trademarks rights of Spokane team) althought the IFL saw some of its teams moving to other leagues as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Football_League#Left_for_another_league It might be premature to talk of a merger between the AFL and IFL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Football
OH :wow: another failed "semi-pro" sports league. :-/ They want to be another success like Arena football which is second-tier. I betcha high school football games will have more fans than this upcoming league.
A true "minor league" football league will only succeed in America with the backing of pro teams. Some idealistic owner(s) will need to invest in a few farm teams to nurture nascent talent as a way to bypass the NCAA's bullshit. But that will only happen when the NCAA's bullshit exceeds the NFL's tolerance for their bullshit. And that is going to take a LOT of bullshit to overcome the free labor model the NCAA currently operates under.
As it stands now, everyone except the players benefits from the NCAA -> NFL model. The NFL gets pro-caliber athletes that are 'seasoned' for free (to them) on NCAA teams. Pro athletes are obligated by THE professional league to wait three years from high school to be eligible for the NFL draft which allows NFL teams to scrutinize players for viability at no expense to themselves in terms of player development. With the market saturated with college teams, athletes effectively have no choice but to play for an NCAA school until they are eligible for the NFL.
The easy window for minor league football closed when cable sports channels turned college football from a regional interest to a national obsession. With all the national media attention on the college teams, it's virtually impossible to kick-start minor leagues the way baseball did a century ago. In baseball, very few people give a shit about the college level because minor leagues were well established long before the sport took off collegiately.
In football, it's the opposite problem. We have decades of entrenched interest in the college level and virtually no consideration for a minor league. 50 years ago, that college education you got for playing football for free was a good deal. Today, not so much. You major in "communications" and get handed easy classes because the only thing that matters is that your physically talented ass is out there on Saturday making alumni cheer and getting TV audiences to watch Bud Light commercials.
A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 16, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 17, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 16, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
Quote from: jbnv on February 17, 2016, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 17, 2016, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 16, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
It's popular here, and it's a much more affordable way to see hockey than the NHL, but the regions where this is true are very limited (New England, Michigan, Minnesota, etc.). Hockey is big enough here that even smaller colleges (UMass Lowell comes to mind) field nationally competitive teams.
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As for MLF, this discussion further underscores my puzzlement that teams are being considered for so many areas dominated by the college game.
After moving to the Madison area this year, I have discovered there a quite a few college hockey fans around here.
And they are all pissed the Big Ten has forced them to play in a Big Ten only league. Because that eliminated most of the good competition. Apparently, Wisconsin and Minnesota are usually the big fish flopping around on a very small, frozen pond.
So here's where we stand on the L.A. situation:
-The Rams are officially back! (sorry, St. Louis)
-The Raiders will play in Oakland next season
-The Chargers will play in San Diego next season, but may move there after that, barring some miracle deal that gives them a new stadium (let's hope for that)
MLFB is pushing back its inaugural season until 2017, and is launching a "development season" for 2016
http://www.mlfbmedia.com/mlfb-to-launch-2016-development-season/
NFL Draft may move after Chicago this year. Cities in mind include Atlanta and Denver
The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Quote from: Henry on April 27, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Would that make them the smallest market by population, in terms of overall spread? I can't see them getting beyond the border of Nevada. The only other team that might approach that is the Ravens.
Quote from: Alps on April 28, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 27, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Would that make them the smallest market by population, in terms of overall spread? I can't see them getting beyond the border of Nevada. The only other team that might approach that is the Ravens.
If you count Green Bay as a statewide team....but vegas could draw all over Nevada.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2016, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 28, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 27, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Would that make them the smallest market by population, in terms of overall spread? I can't see them getting beyond the border of Nevada. The only other team that might approach that is the Ravens.
If you count Green Bay as a statewide team....but vegas could draw all over Nevada.
Green Bay draws across the country. I don't think the Raiders are going to do that.
Quote from: Alps on May 04, 2016, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2016, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 28, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 27, 2016, 11:32:03 AM
The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Would that make them the smallest market by population, in terms of overall spread? I can't see them getting beyond the border of Nevada. The only other team that might approach that is the Ravens.
If you count Green Bay as a statewide team....but vegas could draw all over Nevada.
Green Bay draws across the country. I don't think the Raiders are going to do that.
Put a NFL team in Fresno then (the Raiders, both have fan bases in Nor and Sou halves of CA), then Fresno is a poor place for a pro or major league sports team (of course, minor leagues and lesser leagues will do okay). Fresno the largest CA city without a major league team. Give them a MLS team to play in Fresno State University football stadium...and name them the "Farmers". xD
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The Raiders are holding a meeting in Las Vegas about possibly relocating there; it'll be interesting to see whether it's allowed to happen.
Would that make them the smallest market by population, in terms of overall spread? I can't see them getting beyond the border of Nevada. The only other team that might approach that is the Ravens.
If you count Green Bay as a statewide team....but vegas could draw all over Nevada.
Green Bay draws across the country. I don't think the Raiders are going to do that.
Put a NFL team in Fresno then (the Raiders, both have fan bases in Nor and Sou halves of CA), then Fresno is a poor place for a pro or major league sports team (of course, minor leagues and lesser leagues will do okay). Fresno the largest CA city without a major league team. Give them a MLS team to play in Fresno State University football stadium...and name them the "Farmers". xD
I feel like the Raiders going to Las Vegas is almost a certainty with the NHL putting an expansion franchise there.
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http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20160207/NEWS/160209874/arena-football-league-is-biting-the-bullet-downsizes-for-2016-season?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
Arena football downsizes.
Arena Football league to be precise. I won't be surprised if some teams of AFL will move to the IFL like the Iowa Barnstormers and Spokane (who was forced to change its name due to the AFL keeping all the name trademarks rights of Spokane team) althought the IFL saw some of its teams moving to other leagues as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Football_League#Left_for_another_league It might be premature to talk of a merger between the AFL and IFL.
Sports historians look at Arena Football similar to WNBA and World Team Tennis to succeeded in their smaller size. WTT had teams in Springfield MO, Springfield IL, Wichita KS and Boise ID. and the WNBA ranks as the world's top women's major league: the Tulsa Shock relocated to Dallas-Fort Worth, renamed the Wings, but this was Tulsa OK's first major league sports team. For arena football to kept going since its inception about 30 years ago (1987 or 88?) created by ESPN planners for cable TV telecast purposes, the league might grew or shrunk repeatedly, but they're selling games, attracted fans to the stands and made a profit out of attention and advertisers.
Edit: Since I support women in sport, the Legends Football League (formerly the Ladies' Lingerie League) is where women play their hearts out on the gridiron. In Southern CA, the L.A. Legends play in the Citizens Business Bank Arena near the Ontario airport. And the Women's Football League has the L.A. Amazons and the disbanded Santa Ana Winds.
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A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
Maybe in Louisiana. Come to Michigan and say that. There's NCAA Division I college hockey teams at colleges that usually play in Division II. There are 7 in the state, including 4 schools that play in Division II otherwise (MTU, NMU, LSSU, FSU + MSU, UM, and WMU).
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A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
Maybe in Louisiana. Come to Michigan and say that. There's NCAA Division I college hockey teams at colleges that usually play in Division II. There are 7 in the state, including 4 schools that play in Division II otherwise (MTU, NMU, LSSU, FSU + MSU, UM, and WMU).
And Boston is a College Hockey hotbed with the 4 Beanpot schools (BC, BU, Harvard, and Northeastern). Of all places, New Haven, CT is becoming one as well; the National Championship game in 2014 was Quinnipiac vs. Yale.
The only way an NFL minor league will work is if they play their games on Tuesday or Wednesday nights. Or if they play in the spring.
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And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
Maybe in Louisiana. Come to Michigan and say that. There's NCAA Division I college hockey teams at colleges that usually play in Division II. There are 7 in the state, including 4 schools that play in Division II otherwise (MTU, NMU, LSSU, FSU + MSU, UM, and WMU).
Gladly. When college hockey gets the amount of attention, press and airplay that college football and basketball gets, I'll eat those worlds. (FYI, LSU has multiple baseball championships. UL-Lafayette is a perennial contender in both baseball and softball. But the race for the College World Series is no Bowl Series or March Madness.)
One week until the first college football weekend, and two weeks till Week 1 of the NFL
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A football minor league is up against tremendous odds because of a stupid status quo that includes a habituated fan base. Those fans are going to need be utterly and completely appalled by the NCAA-NFL relationship before they will pivot toward a pro sports business model that is closer to MLB baseball or European soccer.
There's also hockey, who use a farm system more or less similar to baseball with the AHL and ECHL.
And, as with baseball, very few people care about college hockey.
Maybe in Louisiana. Come to Michigan and say that. There's NCAA Division I college hockey teams at colleges that usually play in Division II. There are 7 in the state, including 4 schools that play in Division II otherwise (MTU, NMU, LSSU, FSU + MSU, UM, and WMU).
And Boston is a College Hockey hotbed with the 4 Beanpot schools (BC, BU, Harvard, and Northeastern). Of all places, New Haven, CT is becoming one as well; the National Championship game in 2014 was Quinnipiac vs. Yale.
The only way an NFL minor league will work is if they play their games on Tuesday or Wednesday nights. Or if they play in the spring.
The odds would be better if they played from late February/early March to early-mid July. A 12- or 14-game schedule plus the playoffs could fit in this timeframe. Scouts could check the players out for talent for their own teams without the interference of the NFL season. However, most minor league sports play at the same time as their major league counterparts play. In football, though, there is a lot of competition from both college and high school football where fanbases are firmly entrenched. Playing in the spring
could enable fanbases in those particular cities with a minor league franchise to watch football nearly year-round.
If this is successful, minor league football could rival minor league baseball for the place to see a game in the spring or summer. Football is a popular sport--more so than baseball. It would not, however, interfere too much with a minor league baseball team in the same city. There would be one football game a week verses the five or six baseball games played in a week. These teams could co-exist--even if they both have a home game the same night.
As with the pros of an argument, there are also cons. First is money. For a minor league football team to be financially succesful, they are going to have to draw, at minimum, 8,000-9,000 fans per game. It will have to be treated as minor league, like baseball. Owners would have to sell it as seeing possible future NFL players. There would have to be something for the fans to attend and enjoy the time at the game in addition to watching the game being played. Going to an NFL game is basically watching the game with "name" players, enjoying some adult beverages, and rooting like hell for your home team. A minor league team will not have "name" players unless a local former college or high school player is on the team because they did not make an NFL team. Most people that watch football want to see the "name" players so, in all likelihood, it would take a Herculean effort to draw that much of a fanbase.
Minor league football was tried in 1966 with the formation of the Continental Football League. The team the was most succesful financially and at the gate was the Norfolk Neptunes. They would average over 10,000 fans a game for their existence in the league, with a couple of seasons averaging over 13,000 fans a game. Most of the rest of the league would draw half or less than half that amount. The league had a fall schedule also. Admittedly, in the 1960's and early 1970's, there wasn't the plethora of different activities that we have now. So there is no guarantee that even if a city that had a team that went 12-0, 13-1, or 14-0 would draw 9,000 fans to their games. Some people would rather go to the mall or Town Center, to the park, or to an amusement park.
Would the people that live in a particular city that has a minor league football team pay the possible extra taxes to build a 15,000 seat stadium? Probably not. The thing is a high school field would be too "bush league" yet most college stadiums would be too big--even at 25,000 seats. An ideal minor league football stadium would have between 12,000-20,000 seats. Would these new owners pay for a stadium to be built? No, they would seek help from the city and the fanbase. Unless someone was gung-ho about having a minor league football team, most people would want to keep their hard-earned money for themselves.
As mentioned above, there would be competition from the minor league baseball team in the same city. Many of these teams have been firmly entrenched in that city for 50 or more years. Say there is a AAA football league starting. Using the Eastern half of the US, a league would probably have teams in places like Columbus, Hampton Roads, Raleigh/Durham, Orlando, Birmingham, Louisville, Memphis, and, to use a smaller city, Syracuse. Each one of these places has a minor league baseball team that has been around for at least 30 years. Are people going to give up their habit of going to the baseball game to go see a football game? More than likely not.
There would be big competition early in the season from March Madness. To draw in football, games would have to be played Friday, Saturday, or Sunday (traditional days). With March Madness, the only days available would be Mondays, Tuesdays after the play-in games are played, and Wednesdays. Most people have it in their heads that football is a weekend game. It would take a lot to sell it as a weekday game.
Reading this, you folks may think that I am against minor league football. Hardly. I would love to see something to the effect of having a couple of AAA leagues and a couple of AA leagues. I know I would go. The price of admission would be cheaper. In fact, I have created two leagues (an AAA and an AA league) in my Madden game using Tournament mode and Create-a-Team. I have played six seasons of the AA league and three seasons of the AAA league. However, playing a video game is very different than reality. In reality, it would be most difficult to start, much less maintain, a minor league football team or league. The odds are highly against anything like this working. But we can dream...
NFL Spring, 16 teams, each team supplied with players, coaches and staff by an AFC/NFC pair of partnering teams. Place the teams in markets wanting an NFL team or having capable facilities (San Antonio, Orlando, Syracuse, etc.), get network contracts, then PROFIT!
Have the NFL Draft the week after the Super Bowl. Teams sign whoever wants to play then, add in their free agents, practice squad players and backups, then head for two weeks of camp before kicking off the season.
Four divisions, four teams per division. Semis and the title game for two weeks of playoff action with the division winners being the teams involved. Play six games in-division, two from each other division for 12 weeks of play. Rotate out the two opponents from other divisions each two years after a home and home series has concluded. Season ends in mid-June, which is enough time to sort out the players before heading into training camp in late July.
Rick
That is a great idea! IMHO, the best way for minor league league football to work is if the NFL somewhat subsidizes/sponsors it.
I'll go out on that proverbial line and give a list of my 16 teams for this league...
-2 conferences (Eastern/Western or, if I want to be fancy, Atlantic/Frontier)
-4 divisions (Capitol and Century in the East, Central and Coastal in the West)
-Capitol: Syracuse, Hampton Roads, Raleigh/Durham, Columbus
-Century: Orlando, Birmingham, Memphis, St. Louis (can do this now)
-Central: San Antonio, Oklahoma City, El Paso, Omaha (or Tulsa)
-Coastal: Portland, Sacremento, Tucson, Las Vegas (if the Raiders do not go there) or Fresno
A couple of comments...
-It seems if I am neglecting the Upper Midwest. If the Pontiac Silverdome could ever be resurrected (ha, ha), I would have a team there instead of Omaha and would have to reshuffle the above divisions. There could be a team in Iowa or even Milwaukee provided there is a football stadium ready to go.
-Louisville is another city to put a team in. In this list, they happen to be #9 of the eight teams in the East.
-Most of these teams would use a "capable facility" such as a college stadium or a stadium which holds college bowl games (San Antonio, El Paso). There most likely would not be a need to build a stadium in this league. The only team above that may have an issue would be Hampton Roads because the Va. Beach Sportsplex has a capacity of around 14,000-17,000. However, judging by photos, it could be expanded to as much as 40,000 if they had the need to. Or, if this league starts, say three years down the road, they could play in the new stadium that is being built for Old Dominion University.
There can be more said about the ideas in this topic, so I will yield the floor to any fellow member to expound.
In the Northeast, you only have one team. Is that because football is not the most popular sport there (or at least in some of the states)?
Northeast presence: If one went with Syracuse (domed stadium) and Toronto (domed stadium), then a real capper would be to let the Big Apple host a team! The Giants and Jets could sponsor the Titans, which was the former name for the Jets and a close cousin in meaning to the Giants. Or if you want to borrow from the XFL, the Hitmen!
Heck, there's lots of ways to go once the "obvious" cities have been placed. I thought using the Really Big Cities to fill in some gaps and generate a larger TV audience would be a decent path. How many other ideas come up will show the possibilities. The real need is for the NFL to step up and git 'er done!
Rick
Cities list is good. I'd probably take Louisville over Hampton Roads (no big stadium in that area unless they use UVa), Hartford over Syracuse (bigger TV market plus proximity to New York and Boston), and Salt Lake City over Tulsa/Omaha (unless the Omaha team plays in Lincoln, there's no really big stadium in either market)
I was trying to find cities that currently do not have an NFL team. I lived in Chesapeake, VA for 22 years and have been familiar with the area trying to get a major league football team. They almost had a WFL team in 1974, unfortunately they did not have a stadium large enough to have one (progression: Washington Ambassadors-Virginia Ambassadors-Florida Blazers-San Antonio Wings). The Va. Beach Sportsplex did host the Virginia Destroyers of the United Football League but the seating capacity was 17,000. Right now the capacity is 11,000 because they took the temporary bleachers away. The stadium could be expanded to 40,000 if they wanted to do that.
So, using stadiums that are ready, I guess Louisville would be a better choice than Hampton Roads. There is no way a Hampton Roads team would play in Charlottesville, unless they were called the Virginia (insert nickname here).
As for the Northeast, there is a 40,000+ stadium in East Hartford where UConn plays. There could be a team in Boston where they could play at Boston College's stadium (capacity 44,500). I know Syracuse has a small market, but if you combine Buffalo, Rochester, Albany, and Syracuse, that market would hold its own. Plus there is a 49,250 seat domed stadium there.
I suppose there could be a team playing in the New York area. After all, it is the #1 market in the country plus MetLife Stadium is available (if there is no soccer).
I had thought about Salt Lake City. I am sure there isn't a stadium large enough in Omaha--I was just trying to geographically, as much as I could, balance out across the country. However, I see Salt Lake would be a better choice. There is a 45,000+ stadium where Utah plays.
Based on the opinions and suggestions given so far, here is a revised division setup...
-Capitol: New York/New Jersey, Boston, Raleigh/Durham, Orlando
-Century: Birmingham, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis
-Central: San Antonio, Oklahoma City, El Paso, Tucson
-Coastal: Portland, Sacremento, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas or Fresno
I got rid of Syracuse, Hampton Roads, and Omaha. If there ever was an AA football league started, Syracuse and Hampton Roads would definitely be in it--as well as places such as a team in Iowa, Shreveport, Tulsa, Lansing, Spokane, Knoxville, Albuquerque, Akron, Charleston, SC, Mobile, AL, Boise, Colorado Springs, Hartford, and a Chicagoland team. In this league, the minimum stadium capacity would be 25,000.
Quote from: amroad17 on August 31, 2016, 10:55:50 PM
That is a great idea! IMHO, the best way for minor league league football to work is if the NFL somewhat subsidizes/sponsors it.
I'll go out on that proverbial line and give a list of my 16 teams for this league...
-Capitol: Syracuse, Hampton Roads, Raleigh/Durham, Columbus
I'm not so sure a team would fare well in the Raleigh/Durham market. :hmm: College basketball is king there. Everything else is usually secondary in their view.
If there was a way to make an NFL development league feasible, it would have happened already. The NFL tried the whole developmental league thing with NFL Europe, and it failed miserably. Numerous leagues have started with then intention of being an NFL feeder but have gone under because football is an expensive sport to play, and it's hard to drum up support for a new league. The NCAA-NFL pipeline works perfectly well for both parties involved.
Furthermore, I don't see an NFL-sponsored spring league with NFL or NFL-bound players happening, ever. There's just too much of an injury risk, both short-term (ACL tears, etc) and long-term (concussions) There's no way a team is going to let its first or second round pick play an extra 12 games in addition to the 20+ games in the current schedule.
Welcome back college football!
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If there was a way to make an NFL development league feasible, it would have happened already. The NFL tried the whole developmental league thing with NFL Europe, and it failed miserably. Numerous leagues have started with then intention of being an NFL feeder but have gone under because football is an expensive sport to play, and it's hard to drum up support for a new league. The NCAA-NFL pipeline works perfectly well for both parties involved.
Where does arena football fit into the picture? It is sometimes a source of NFL players, most notably Kurt Warner.
Congrats for the Ottawa Redblacks who won the Grey Cup in overtime. They ended a 40 years drought of a CFL championship.
In honor of conference championship week and Selection Sunday (and totally not to avoid studying for finals), I made this graphic based on the "Roads to the Playoff" that uses state route shields that ESPN has occasionally been showing:
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^^^^^^ That is really well done. Good luck with your finals :-)
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In honor of conference championship week and Selection Sunday (and totally not to avoid studying for finals), I made this graphic based on the "Roads to the Playoff" that uses state route shields that ESPN has occasionally been showing:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Fimg%2FrankingsWeek14.png&hash=771f9ef735f21237ce41819bca92715af4957a18)
Please contact ESPN.
Yay Navy! Annapolis represent! My grandparents once lived there.
Where can I get my CT Route 128 sign like that for UConn? :ded:
Yesterday was the first day of the CFL season, with the Montreal Alouettes at home beating the Saskatchewan Roughriders 17-16.
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Quote from: Thing 342 on December 03, 2016, 11:16:52 AM
In honor of conference championship week and Selection Sunday (and totally not to avoid studying for finals), I made this graphic based on the "Roads to the Playoff" that uses state route shields that ESPN has occasionally been showing:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwesj.org%2Fimg%2FrankingsWeek14.png&hash=771f9ef735f21237ce41819bca92715af4957a18)
Please contact ESPN.
I love this idea! They should extend that to college hoops as well!
Quote from: Thing 342 on December 03, 2016, 11:16:52 AM
In honor of conference championship week and Selection Sunday (and totally not to avoid studying for finals), I made this graphic based on the "Roads to the Playoff" that uses state route shields that ESPN has occasionally been showing:
Why not just go ahead and make one for each tournament. For basketball I'd do just the Sweet 16. For baseball just the CWS.
In fact, if you can automate the process, this would be a great thing to have in a public API or online graphic generator. You basically have five parameters:
* State.
* Number.
* "Positive" color.
* "Negative" color.
* Caption.
Patriots fan here excited about all their new signings.
Tomarow is the hof game. They cowboys and cardinals will be playing.
For the first time in many years I'm excited about the Buccaneers...I think they're going to make the playoffs. I like their draft and free agent acquisitions (everyone freaked when they got DeSean Jackson from the Skins, when OJ Howard dropped to 19 in the draft I'm screaming "You better take him!"). I think that Chris Godwin is a sleeper that's going to catch a lot of folks by surprise.
I also think Noah Spence and Vernon Hargreaves are going to step their games up this year, and Kwon Alexander is turning out to be a beast.
I'm still not thrilled about their offensive line and the secondary still needs a piece or two, but I think the Bucs are going to be very, very good. I don't think Atlanta is going to win the NFC South without the Bucs saying anything about it.
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For the first time in many years I'm excited about the Buccaneers...I think they're going to make the playoffs. I like their draft and free agent acquisitions (everyone freaked when they got DeSean Jackson from the Skins, when OJ Howard dropped to 19 in the draft I'm screaming "You better take him!"). I think that Chris Godwin is a sleeper that's going to catch a lot of folks by surprise.
I also think Noah Spence and Vernon Hargreaves are going to step their games up this year, and Kwon Alexander is turning out to be a beast.
I'm still not thrilled about their offensive line and the secondary still needs a piece or two, but I think the Bucs are going to be very, very good. I don't think Atlanta is going to win the NFC South without the Bucs saying anything about it.
Your team has a bright future.
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Dolphins might sign Jay Cutler after Ryan Tannihill injury.
They did sign him for a one-year tender.
The first game of the season they play the Bucs AT Ray Jay.
This is not going to end well.
Quote from: DeaconG on August 06, 2017, 04:22:43 PM
They did sign him for a one-year tender.
The first game of the season they play the Bucs AT Ray Jay.
This is not going to end well.
He did have his best season under gase, the dolphins head coach.
Quote from: DeaconG on August 06, 2017, 04:22:43 PM
They did sign him for a one-year tender.
The first game of the season they play the Bucs AT Ray Jay.
This is not going to end well.
As a Bears fan, I agree with this statement completely.
Bills sign vetran wide reciver anquan boldin, jets wr quincy ewmra gets sent to ir.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 07, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Bills sign vetran wide reciver anquan boldin, jets wr quincy ewmra gets sent to ir.
You're going to see a lot of this as training camp and the preseason shakes out. A lot of FA's are going to get bounced around trying to find a place to play. With the NFL's move to eliminate the 75-man cutdown, this preseason is going to be very interesting.
The Falcons signed kelvin taylor, former jags and pats rb fred taylors son. Patriots become first team to use private planes.
Well, Tampa Bay's national nightmare is over. Roberto Aguayo was waived by the Bucs and picked up by the Bears. And so goes the end of Jason Licht's second round kicker draft nightmare.
I wish the kid luck, perhaps the change of scenery will change up his operator headspace and improve his kicking.
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/beth-mowins-becomes-first-woman-to-call-play-by-play-for-nfl-on-cbs/338007
http://www.tvweek.com/tvbizwire/2017/08/fox-sports-unveils-broadcast-teams-for-2017-nfl-season-2/
Here are some Updates for the NFL in 2017-2018 Season at the Broadcast Booth.
Quote from: DeaconG on August 14, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Well, Tampa Bay's national nightmare is over. Roberto Aguayo was waived by the Bucs and picked up by the Bears. And so goes the end of Jason Licht's second round kicker draft nightmare.
I wish the kid luck, perhaps the change of scenery will change up his operator headspace and improve his kicking.
Of course the Bears get him. Chicago is where washed up players go to play, cause we don't wanna win anytime soon :hmmm: :banghead:
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Quote from: DeaconG on August 14, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Well, Tampa Bay's national nightmare is over. Roberto Aguayo was waived by the Bucs and picked up by the Bears. And so goes the end of Jason Licht's second round kicker draft nightmare.
I wish the kid luck, perhaps the change of scenery will change up his operator headspace and improve his kicking.
Of course the Bears get him. Chicago is where washed up players go to play, cause we don't wanna win anytime soon :hmmm: :banghead:
And you got Mike Glennon too...God I feel for y'all! :-/ :ded:
Quote from: DeaconG on August 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 16, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: DeaconG on August 14, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Well, Tampa Bay's national nightmare is over. Roberto Aguayo was waived by the Bucs and picked up by the Bears. And so goes the end of Jason Licht's second round kicker draft nightmare.
I wish the kid luck, perhaps the change of scenery will change up his operator headspace and improve his kicking.
Of course the Bears get him. Chicago is where washed up players go to play, cause we don't wanna win anytime soon :hmmm: :banghead:
And you got Mike Glennon too...God I feel for y'all! :-/ :ded:
I have the bad feeling that it'll be another 108 years before da Bears win the next championship, like da Cubs did. Somehow that billy goat curse has become full-grown now that the Cubbies are free of it, so it still lives on.
https://tvanswerman.com/2017/08/25/amazon-reveals-nfl-thursday-night-schedule/
Update Amazon has released the schedule for Football broadcasts.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-sports-hires-michael-vick-as-nfl-analyst-1032683
Michael Vick to appear as NFL Pundit for Fox Sports.
Poor Julian Edlman :-(
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 27, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
Poor Julian Edlman :-(
Fuck, I had just drafted him for my fantasy team. Goddamn preseason.
And that is why I waited until after preseason week 3 to hold my fantasy draft. No regulars play Week 4 other than kickers, so you're pretty much safe from drafting someone who's on IR for the season.
You're best off waiting until all the preseason games are over to do a fantasy draft. That way, any preseason injuries have already occurred, and any roster cuts as well. One of my leagues drafted about 2 weeks ago and we've already had a few players get injured and out for the season, so there's been a rash of transactions taking place. My other league however doesn't draft until Monday night, so we'll have seen all that stuff taken place already and can draft accordingly, and still have a few days to make any necessary adjustments, etc.
Looks like Hurricane Irma is going to make a hash of the Week 1 game between the Bucs and the Dolphins. The options are playing the game either Thursday or Friday night, moving the game or declaring it a bye week (which would be the worst outcome as it would force the Bucs and Dolphins to play 16 games straight).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-bc-fbn--irma-bucs-dolphins-20170904-story.html
https://www.bucsnation.com/2017/9/4/16253040/buccaneers-dolphins-could-be-moved-as-hurricane-irma-strengthens
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 30, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
And that is why I waited until after preseason week 3 to hold my fantasy draft. No regulars play Week 4 other than kickers, so you're pretty much safe from drafting someone who's on IR for the season.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 01, 2017, 03:56:20 PM
You're best off waiting until all the preseason games are over to do a fantasy draft. That way, any preseason injuries have already occurred, and any roster cuts as well. One of my leagues drafted about 2 weeks ago and we've already had a few players get injured and out for the season, so there's been a rash of transactions taking place.
The price we pay for wanting to get together with as many people in the league as possible while we do our draft. Sometimes you gotta work around real world schedules if you want your draft to be a bit of a party. Oh well, no regerts. ;)
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/106968/ray-lewis-joins-showtimes-inside-the-nfl
Update
Quote from: DeaconG on September 05, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Looks like Hurricane Irma is going to make a hash of the Week 1 game between the Bucs and the Dolphins. The options are playing the game either Thursday or Friday night, moving the game or declaring it a bye week (which would be the worst outcome as it would force the Bucs and Dolphins to play 16 games straight).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-bc-fbn--irma-bucs-dolphins-20170904-story.html
https://www.bucsnation.com/2017/9/4/16253040/buccaneers-dolphins-could-be-moved-as-hurricane-irma-strengthens
The last time a Week One game was postponed to later in the season was 1992, when Hurricane Andrew forced the opening-day game between the Patriots and Dolphins to be rescheduled to October 18, when both teams originally had a bye week. I don't know why they just didn't swap home games since it's a division rivalry.
They've done the Friday night option before. In 2005, a Chiefs game at Miami was moved to Friday night. Ticked off most of the people around here either because that meant it was scheduled as the same time as the high school's home game (people here love their Tigers) or that it couldn't be shown on TV here because the NFL has some sort of deal prohibiting Friday games on TV. It was allowed to be broadcast in primary and secondary markets only (which meant you could watch it in Topeka). I think even Sunday Ticket was prohibited from showing it until its scheduled Sunday time.
In 2004, the Tennessee-Miami game scheduled for opening day was moved back one day to Saturday.
This has certainly been a busy year for relocating/cancelling games. On the baseball side, the Rangers-Astros series was moved to St. Petersburg due to Harvey, and now the Yankees-Rays series will be played at Citi Field in Queens due to Irma.
At least the Jaguars and Texans got one in yesterday.
David johnson could miss up to 12 games. Colts looked like shit.
I spotted this vintage NFL clip using Johnny Pearson's music titled "Power Drive" also used in some 1967-70 Spider-man episodes. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ek2IJX8SQ
Cardinals resigned chris johnson because of David Johnson's injury.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 13, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
Cardinals resigned chris johnson because of David Johnson's injury.
All those people who jumped the gun last week and took Kerwynn Williams on waivers are dumping him now.
Patriots rebound after tough loss, Giants fall to Lions on Monday night football.
http://www.rbr.com/nfl-tv-ratings-not-so-healthy/
Update TV Ratings for Football are down
https://www.si.com/2017/09/20/demaurice-smith-reelected-bad-football
Update
Bullshit pi call at the end of thursday night football.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-rip-trump-on-twitter-a-hole-disgrace-real-life-clown-unacceptable/
Update the NFL finds itself in a political feud with Trump.
Jason Verret to ir.
Quote from: bing101 on September 22, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
http://www.rbr.com/nfl-tv-ratings-not-so-healthy/
Update TV Ratings for Football are down
https://www.si.com/2017/09/20/demaurice-smith-reelected-bad-football
Update
Just like with ESPN and their meteoric fall in recent years, they're actively alienating their customer base. NOT a good thing for any business to do. I just hope that the League and its member teams are able to realize that and reverse course before it gets too late.
Ditto other sports leagues, both amateur and professional.
:banghead:
Mike
Quote from: bing101 on September 23, 2017, 01:44:31 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-rip-trump-on-twitter-a-hole-disgrace-real-life-clown-unacceptable/
Update the NFL finds itself in a political feud with Trump.
And they're going to eventually wish they hadn't.
Which brings me to an observation, for those of you sports history buffs: The National Football League, in 2017, occupies the same dominant space in US culture and society that Major League Baseball had in, say, 1969. Which, ironically, came after another year of political upheaval. It's widely known history what happened to MLB in the following years.
Quote from: bing101 on September 23, 2017, 01:44:31 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-rip-trump-on-twitter-a-hole-disgrace-real-life-clown-unacceptable/
Update the NFL finds itself in a political feud with Trump.
The Left: "Politics in sports!"
Trump: "Politics in sports!"
The Left: "Trump's an ass!"
Situation nonwithstanding, This is a reminder to please keep the political commentary to a minimum on this forum.
One Steeler did not sit in the locker room. He came out and paid proper attention to the flag and anthem. It turned out he was an Army Ranger vet.
Rick
Quote from: jbnv on September 24, 2017, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: bing101 on September 23, 2017, 01:44:31 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-rip-trump-on-twitter-a-hole-disgrace-real-life-clown-unacceptable/
Update the NFL finds itself in a political feud with Trump.
Other than "Trump's an Ass," what is your point?
The Left: "Politics in sports!"
Trump: "Politics in sports!"
The Left: "Trump's an ass!"
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 24, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
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I guess you missed the post where Scott said to keep politics to a minimum ?
One big detail then I noticed, is with all the protection helmets and others stuff to protect from injuries (but the problem of concussions remains and had grown and it had been featured in a movie starring Will Smith) in Canadian and American Football while Australian Football, who seem to be a blend of rugby and soccer don't have any protection it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZYZcoAcU0
In entertainment, it is important to remember what Johnny Carson said, "Do not alienate half your audience." The NFL, and its players and the TV networks that cover it forgot that yesterday. That is not a political comment, that is a business comment. I will refrain from posting about the underlaying politics.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 25, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
One big detail then I noticed, is with all the protection helmets and others stuff to protect from injuries (but the problem of concussions remains and had grown and it had been featured in a movie starring Will Smith) in Canadian and American Football while Australian Football, who seem to be a blend of rugby and soccer don't have any protection it all.
whats needed is 16 ga steel, heavily padded, with a chin strap. :)
Quote from: nexus73 on September 24, 2017, 06:44:13 PM
One Steeler did not sit in the locker room. He came out and paid proper attention to the flag and anthem. It turned out he was an Army Ranger vet.
Rick
It also turns out he is Spanish! I didn't knew there was one Spanish player in the NFL. He has dual citizenship, though, but that doesn't keep me from cheering for Steelers from now.
Quote from: US71 on September 25, 2017, 10:50:50 AM
whats needed is 16 ga steel, heavily padded, with a chin strap. :)
A jock strap might be useful in case if a football ball land under the belt right in the "kiwis". ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCEPBDekH4
Justin Timberlake applies for Super Bowl halftime show.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 27, 2017, 05:04:07 PM
Justin Timberlake applies for Super Bowl halftime show.
I can see the contract now...
"1. Performer agrees to have nobody naked by the end of his song."
http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/directv-is-offering-refunds-to-people-offended-by-nfl-protests/
Update Directv to offer Refund for people supposedly offended by the NFL protests
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/107621/nielsen-nfl-ratings-off-11-so-far-this-year
Quote from: bing101 on September 27, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/directv-is-offering-refunds-to-people-offended-by-nfl-protests/
Update Directv to offer Refund for people supposedly offended by the NFL protests
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/107621/nielsen-nfl-ratings-off-11-so-far-this-year
If I were a DirecTV subscriber, I would definitely be offended. But not otherwise. (Bad business model. Actually, a terrible business model, because now they'll piss off liberals in addition to paying out to conservatives and opportunists.)
I'm not particularly offended by the NFL players kneeling, but I was offended by the constant price increases when we still had DirecTV, which is why we dropped them about 4 years ago.
Off-topic: I'm offended at people who don't use turn signals :bigass:
On-topic: Tonight Bears=Packers game will be streamed on Amazon!
Quote from: ET21 on September 28, 2017, 02:25:45 PM
On-topic: Tonight Bears=Packers game will be streamed on Amazon!
You have to have their premium service, Amazon Prime, to get the stream.
Quote from: ET21 on September 28, 2017, 02:25:45 PM
On-topic: Tonight Bears=Packers game will be streamed on Amazon!
The game is available nationwide on CBS-TV and WestwoodOne radio. I wonder how many people will watch on Amazon Prime, or NFL Network for that matter?
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/01/fox-sports-anthem-coverage
Update Fox Sports will not air the Anthem during NFL Games.
RIP Titans. Pats defense sucks.
Ty-D-Bowls I and II take place next weekend when the Chargers visit the Giants and the Jets visit the Browns.
And yes, the Pats defense does suck, as does my fantasy team. And the Rams are shockingly good.
Since everything else in Cleveland Rocks, except....
http://dailysnark.com/literally-dumpster-fire-outside-cleveland-browns-stadium/ (http://dailysnark.com/literally-dumpster-fire-outside-cleveland-browns-stadium/)
:poke: :ded: :pan: X-(
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Danny trevathen suspended for 2 games for his hit on Devante Adams.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 03, 2017, 07:29:57 PM
Danny trevathen suspended for 2 games for his hit on Devante Adams.
Reduced to 1 game on appeal.
Andrew Luck out this sunday.
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Cam Newton made sexist comments to a reporter.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Cam Newton made sexist comments to a reporter.
Because he finally got a win :-D
Quote from: ET21 on October 05, 2017, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Cam Newton made sexist comments to a reporter.
Because he finally got a win :-D
He won the first two games this year.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2017, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: ET21 on October 05, 2017, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 05, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Cam Newton made sexist comments to a reporter.
Because he finally got a win :-D
He won the first two games this year.
No wonder he's acting like he runs the world.... Dude is on cloud 9 when he wins and is a pouty child when he loses
RIP Giants wide recivers.
http://fox4kc.com/2017/10/10/president-trump-says-us-should-change-tax-law-to-punish-nfl/
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/trump-us-change-tax-law-punish-nfl-50386435
Damn!! now the president is after the NFL over tax laws.
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President Donald Trump is suggesting the U.S. change its tax laws to punish organizations like the NFL if members are "disrespecting" the national anthem or flag.
The NFL gave up its federal tax-exempt status a few years ago and now files tax returns as a taxable entity. So it's unlikely that Trump's proposal, tweeted in the early hours Tuesday, would change anything.Trump tweeted : "Why is the NFL getting massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country? Change tax law!"
Trump also tweeted Tuesday that ESPN ratings have "tanked" because of Jemele Hill, the anchor suspended for making political statements on social media.
While NFL viewership is down slightly, ESPN remains among the most popular cable networks, averaging 3 million viewers in prime time. The network has suffered subscriber losses over the last few years as some viewers have moved to streaming services from cable television.[/font][/color][/size]
Hill, an African-American co-host of the 6 p.m. broadcast of "SportsCenter," received backlash last month after calling Trump a "white supremacist" in a series of tweets that referenced the president's comments about a deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.[/font][/color][/size]
That comment prompted Trump to demand an apology from ESPN and White House press secretary [/color]Sarah Huckabee Sanders (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/whitehouse/sarah-huckabee-sanders.htm)[/color] to call for Hill's firing.[/font][/size]
[/color]While ESPN took no formal action against Hill over the Trump comment, she did apologize to the network for the trouble her remarks had caused while standing by the tweets. ESPN cited that apology in announcing Hill's suspension Monday , saying in a statement that ESPN employees had been "reminded of how individual tweets may reflect negatively on ESPN and that such actions would have consequences."[/color][/size]
[/color]Hill targeted Jerry Jones (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/sports/football/jerry-jones.htm)[/color] on Twitter on Sunday after the [ owner stated that players who disrespect the flag would not play for his team. She suggested fans who disagree with Jones should boycott the team's advertisers and not buy the team's merchandise.Quote
Adrian Peterson traded to the Cardinals.
Quote from: bing101 on October 10, 2017, 11:27:33 AMDamn!! now the president is after the NFL over tax laws.
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Chris Johnson has been cut.
Stop playing the national anthem at sports games. Problem solved.
:bigass:
DRC has been fighting with his coach and he got suspended by him for one game.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/12/chargers-wildfires-san-diego/
The Los Angeles chargers will play in San Diego this week against the Raiders.
Quote from: bing101 on October 13, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/12/chargers-wildfires-san-diego/
The Los Angeles chargers will play in San Diego this week against the Raiders.
The linked article says that might happen, but hasn't yet been decided.
The NFL website still shows the game location as the Oakland Coliseum. An article on the site (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860398/article/chargersraiders-still-set-to-be-played-in-oakland) (updated 10:39pm Eastern 10/12) confirms that no location change has yet been made, and also that Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara might be another option if the game has to be moved.
Quote from: oscar on October 13, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 13, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/12/chargers-wildfires-san-diego/
The Los Angeles chargers will play in San Diego this week against the Raiders.
The linked article says that might happen, but hasn't yet been decided.
The NFL website still shows the game location as the Oakland Coliseum. An article on the site (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860398/article/chargersraiders-still-set-to-be-played-in-oakland) (updated 10:39pm Eastern 10/12) confirms that no location change has yet been made, and also that Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara might be another option if the game has to be moved.
What happened in Oakland? I kinda read about a fire.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 13, 2017, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: oscar on October 13, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 13, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/12/chargers-wildfires-san-diego/
The Los Angeles chargers will play in San Diego this week against the Raiders.
The linked article says that might happen, but hasn't yet been decided.
The NFL website still shows the game location as the Oakland Coliseum. An article on the site (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860398/article/chargersraiders-still-set-to-be-played-in-oakland) (updated 10:39pm Eastern 10/12) confirms that no location change has yet been made, and also that Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara might be another option if the game has to be moved.
What happened in Oakland? I kinda read about a fire.
Yeah, wildfires
Eagles beat Panthers 28 to 23.
A quirky intersection between NCAA football and the CFL.
Watching USC play Utah tonight (regrettably, the University of Spoiled Children held on to win by a point), I noticed the USC coaching staff using 3' square pro team logos as signals from the sideline. One of the logos I saw was for the Los Angeles Lakers. The other was for the CFL's Hamilton Tiger-Cats. Interesting choice for a team so far from the Canadian border, though I guess that logo is pretty distinctive and so works well for communications from the sideline.
Navarro Bowman cut
Get well soon, Aaron. :(
What an upset. Giants beat Broncos.
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Aaron Rodgers to ir.
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Yay Pats!
I was to say f*ck the Pats, but I won't do so seeing the nice gesture they had with a boy who unfortunately passed away from a brain cancer called DIPG a few days ago...
rip Jason Peter's acl and mcl.
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cat runs onto field during thursday night football.
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another patriots win!
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Jimmy Garappolo traded to the niners for a 2nd round pick.
http://www.newsweek.com/nfl-concussions-bob-costas-health-football-players-705638
Update the health issues on NFL players in the long term are at play here.
Zeke suspended, for real this time.
I'm sure Goodell thinks he really accomplished something. Maybe someday some woman will accuse him of the same thing and he can be automatically guilty.
Quote from: texaskdog on November 09, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
I'm sure Goodell thinks he really accomplished something. Maybe someday some woman will accuse him of the same thing and he can be automatically guilty.
You a Cowboys fan?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 09, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
Zeke suspended, for real this time.
Almost certainly, but let's see if his lawyers can pull another rabbit out of their hats (or wherever).
I was not surprised that the appeals panel swiftly denied Zeke's motion, though. And there are advantages to starting the suspension this weekend. That increases the odds he'll be back by Christmas Eve, in time to get ready for the postseason if the Cowboys don't lose too many games in Zeke's absence.
pats resigned Martellus Bennett.
I believe the Raiders will relocate to Las Vegas, regardless of fan efforts by Raider Nation to keep the team in Oakland. I was told the stadium project just broke ground in Las Vegas. The LA metro area has its Rams back, but in a legal tug of war on the Chargers with San Diego.
Martellus Bennett makes mean comments to Packers doctor and many former and current Packers defend the doctor.
Martellus Bennett is a whiny little bitch who was just upset he wasn't catching enough passes with the Packers and was just looking for a way out. Pardon my French, but fuck him.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 13, 2017, 04:34:49 AM
Martellus Bennett is a whiny little bitch who was just upset he wasn't catching enough passes with the Packers and was just looking for a way out. Pardon my French, but fuck him.
He caught a touchdown last night.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 13, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 13, 2017, 04:34:49 AM
Martellus Bennett is a whiny little bitch who was just upset he wasn't catching enough passes with the Packers and was just looking for a way out. Pardon my French, but fuck him.
He caught a touchdown last night.
He's an overrated TE with a participation SB ring from the Pats. Probably the only reason why he hasn't talked shit to the Pats
Quote from: ET21 on November 13, 2017, 08:31:12 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 13, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 13, 2017, 04:34:49 AM
Martellus Bennett is a whiny little bitch who was just upset he wasn't catching enough passes with the Packers and was just looking for a way out. Pardon my French, but fuck him.
He caught a touchdown last night.
He's an overrated TE with a participation SB ring from the Pats. Probably the only reason why he hasn't talked shit to the Pats
Bingo. The Bennett brothers thrive on attention, for better or (mostly) worse. X-(
Vontaze Burfict got ejected yesterday.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on November 13, 2017, 04:34:49 AM
Martellus Bennett is a whiny little bitch who was just upset he wasn't catching enough passes with the Packers and was just looking for a way out. Pardon my French, but fuck him.
He was fine on the Bears...but when John Fox came to town, he sent Marty packing, because (supposedly) Fox didn't like Marty, because Marty isn't "Footbally" all the time. I think Bennett is a pretty good TE -- granted, his personality has rubbed some people wrong, at many stops of his career. Apparently the McCarthy Regime in Green Bay is another that doesn't mix well with Bennett
Bennett was a regular on a couple of Chicago Sports Radio shows, and was absolutely awesome. So much personality and life, beyond the Football stuff. Quite a comic book junkie, if memory serves.
Who knows, maybe Marty road-geeks, too...
Jamie Collins of the Browns out for the year. Browns fell to 0-9 last night.
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Jerry Jones has been feuding with Roger Goodel lately.
Let's see who'll win the 2017 Grey Cup championship between the Calgary Stampeders and the Toronto Argonauts.
The Browns lose again and the Browns, 49ers, and Giants have been eliminated from playoff contention.
Snowing like mad in Ottawa tonight. This is gonna be fun (ESPN2).
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Snowing like mad in Ottawa tonight. This is gonna be fun (ESPN2).
I'll be watching the Grey Cup game too (splitting that with Rams-Saints, since if the Saints lose they fall into a tie with my Panthers in the NFC South).
Interesting that the game is being played on a neutral field. The ones I've seen before were on the home field of one of the teams in the Grey Cup. Maybe since this is Canada's 150th anniversary?
Playing in Ottawa was certainly more convenient for Canada's Governor General to conduct the coin toss. She was up in Inuvik NT a week and a half ago for the opening of the new highway to Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic coast, completing a "coast to coast to coast" road link between Tuktoyaktuk and the rest of Canada.
They schedule the Grey Cup sites in advance, same as the Super Bowl, but because there are far fewer teams in the CFL (currently nine, versus 32 in the NFL), it's common for a team to play at home. But it doesn't always happen. Last year Ottawa beat Calgary in Toronto, for example, and my favorite Grey Cup was in Regina in 1995 when Baltimore beat Calgary.
I believe Ottawa was promised a Grey Cup within four years of the Redblacks beginning play. This year was the fourth year. The same stadium will host an outdoor NHL game next month (Ottawa hosting Montreal) to mark 100 years since the NHL's first game. Today marks 100 years since the NHL was founded, but the league didn't begin play until a few weeks later.
There's no reason why an NFL team couldn't play at home in the Super Bowl. It's just never happened.
Edited to add: I rather liked Shania Twain's outfit. :love:
Damn, quite a finish in Ottawa!
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
There's no reason why an NFL team couldn't play at home in the Super Bowl. It's just never happened.
I think the reason Bountygate happened was because New Orleans hosted the Super Bowl that year, and the NFL didn't want the Saints to be the first team to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium.
Speaking of the Saints, why was that game on CBS? Neither team is in the AFC.
Quote from: jbnv on November 26, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
There's no reason why an NFL team couldn't play at home in the Super Bowl. It's just never happened.
I think the reason Bountygate happened was because New Orleans hosted the Super Bowl that year, and the NFL didn't want the Saints to be the first team to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium.
Speaking of the Saints, why was that game on CBS? Neither team is in the AFC.
NFL has a new thing called cross-flexing which gives a few non-conference games to the opposite network. Way of balancing things out as far as strength of games. Next week's Vikings-Falcons game is also on CBS. It's a major topic on the506.com's forum (I recognize a few people here who are members there too; they even have a roads discussion thread in their off-topic area).
And there is an outside chance the Vikings could be that first team this year.
I read somewhere that the cross-flex thing came about in part because of the development of flexible scheduling associated with Sunday Night Football when NBC picked up that property. Because more desirable high-profile games are shifted to Sunday night later in the season, games can be moved across networks for the reasons jp the roadgeek noted. This had not previously been an issue because the NFL had consistently rejected ABC's requests for flexible scheduling for Monday Night Football, saying it was unfair to teams and fans to move games to a different day of the week on short notice.
I also read that another reason for the policy is to ensure that every team's local FOX and CBS affiliates will air at least one of that team's games every season. That is, take the Redskins' schedule this year. The Redskins' two interconference home games (which would normally be on CBS due to the "visiting team network" rule) are against Oakland and Denver. The Raiders game was a Sunday night game, so it was on NBC. The Broncos game is scheduled for 1:05 Eastern on December 24. It won't be moved for flexible scheduling because there is no Sunday night game that day due to it being Christmas Eve (instead, NBC has a Saturday night game; the NFL still won't normally move a game to a different day of the week unless there's an emergency situation), but suppose, for discussion purposes, it were moved to Sunday night. The DC-area CBS affiliate would be left with no Redskins games this season if the normal scheduling rules were in effect because all their games would be on FOX, NBC, or ESPN. So allowing the "cross-flex" would ensure the CBS affiliate got a Redskins game at some point.
(BTW, the Redskins' game in Los Angeles against the Chargers in two weeks, which would normally be on FOX, is on CBS. It was originally scheduled for FOX. Originally, the Broncos game noted above was to be the Redskins' only CBS game this season.)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 26, 2017, 10:29:13 PM
Quote from: jbnv on November 26, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
There's no reason why an NFL team couldn't play at home in the Super Bowl. It's just never happened.
I think the reason Bountygate happened was because New Orleans hosted the Super Bowl that year, and the NFL didn't want the Saints to be the first team to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium.
Speaking of the Saints, why was that game on CBS? Neither team is in the AFC.
NFL has a new thing called cross-flexing which gives a few non-conference games to the opposite network. Way of balancing things out as far as strength of games. Next week's Vikings-Falcons game is also on CBS. It's a major topic on the506.com's forum (I recognize a few people here who are members there too; they even have a roads discussion thread in their off-topic area).
And there is an outside chance the Vikings could be that first team this year.
A real chance, the Vikings have the second best record in the NFC.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 26, 2017, 10:08:15 PM
Damn, quite a finish in Ottawa!
Agreed, enough to draw me away from an unexpectedly exciting Packers-Steelers Sunday night game.
The other Grey Cup game I remember was from 2013, in Regina at the outdoor home field of one of the teams playing (and which ended up winning), the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Conditions for that game were no precip but cold. It was funny that one of the bands performing at halftime included in its lyrics "Take off all your clothes | Strike that Playboy pose". With temps below 0°C, and wind chills below 0°F, there was very little danger of any fans actually doing that!
Big fight between Aqib Talib and Micheal Crabtree yesterday.
Eli Manning benched by the Giants after 210 consecutive starts for Geno Smith. Ben McAdoo is being roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey by Giants fans and the New York media.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 28, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
Eli Manning benched by the Giants after 210 consecutive starts for Geno Smith. Ben McAdoo is being roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey by Giants fans and the New York media.
Mad respect to that dude even though I am still salty about 2007 and 2011.
And Ben McAdoo was fired today, along with GM Jerry Reese. Guess John Mara heard the outcry and saw the billboards calling for him to be fired after the whole Eli benching. Steve Spagnuolo takes over on an interim basis, and Eli will be under center again this coming Sunday.
Also, Gronk has been suspended 1 game for that senseless hit yesterday. He plans on appealing it.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 04, 2017, 05:28:54 PM
And Ben McAdoo was fired today, along with GM Jerry Reese. Guess John Mara heard the outcry and saw the billboards calling for him to be fired after the whole Eli benching. Steve Spagnuolo takes over on an interim basis, and Eli will be under center again this coming Sunday.
Also, Gronk has been suspended 1 game for that senseless hit yesterday. He plans on appealing it.
Gronk :( One bad thing about yesterday's game. I hope he never does something like that again.
Quote from: bing101 on December 05, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article188145129.html
update now Dr. Omalu who made discoveries of NFL players and CTE is leaving San Joaquin Coroners office.
Okay, you've posted this to two threads now, but, besides his initial tangential relationship wrt his research, I fail to see how this has anything to do
at all with the NFL presently.
Quote from: bing101 on December 05, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article188145129.html
update now Dr. Omalu who made discoveries of NFL players and CTE is leaving San Joaquin Coroners office.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article188145129.html#storylink=cpy
Outside of that he helped in pursuing CTE, this story has nothing to do with the NFL
Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
constant posts about the NFL are a disaster
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
constant posts about the NFL are a disaster
Last night's game was important. This is a high profile player suffering a devastating injury.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
constant posts about the NFL are a disaster
Last night's game was important. This is a high profile player suffering a devastating injury.
Important enough for everybody who cares, and didn't watch the game as I did, to know about it already.
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Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
constant posts about the NFL are a disaster
Last night's game was important. This is a high profile player suffering a devastating injury.
Important enough for everybody who cares, and didn't watch the game as I did, to know about it already.
Then what's the point of this thread?
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 06, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Massive disaster on Monday with a devastating Ryan Shazier injury plus many more disasters.
constant posts about the NFL are a disaster
Last night's game was important. This is a high profile player suffering a devastating injury.
Important enough for everybody who cares, and didn't watch the game as I did, to know about it already.
Then what's the point of this thread?
Things like commentary/opinion, or under-the-radar news people otherwise would not know about (like my item way upthread about the use of a CFL logo by a southern California college team).
As least be more selective! I suggest assuming that forum members get most of their sports news elsewhere, and focusing on stuff we don't get from sports websites or talk shows. Unlike this week's Monday night game, for example, which was discussed at length on every one of the sports programs and websites I follow.
Browns fire gm.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
The Ford family, also owners of the Lions, do approve tho of a fellow franchise firing gm and are looking for new partnerships with Browns ownership
Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
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Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Not sure if you were joking or not but gm stands for general manager.
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Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Not sure if you were joking or not but gm stands for general manager.
Whoosh!
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Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Not sure if you were joking or not but gm stands for general manager.
Whoosh!
I hate when people say whoosh without explaining the joke.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 08, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Not sure if you were joking or not but gm stands for general manager.
Whoosh!
I hate when people say whoosh without explaining the joke.
This is the Internet. Just accept that you won't get most things at your age.
Adam Jones placed on ir.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 07, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Browns fire gm.
General Motors is challenging this decision, believing that a mere football team cannot fire a major American car manufacturer.
Not sure if you were joking or not but gm stands for general manager.
Whoosh!
I hate when people say whoosh without explaining the joke.
The point of the "whoosh" is that the punchline was so utterly obvious that it shouldn't need explanation.
Controversial call ends Pats-Steelers game as touchdown called back.
In whatever form it appears, perfection should be appreciated.
(https://i.imgur.com/kcTnuLI.jpg)
Bills break playoff drought and make the playoffs for the first time since 1999.
... ending not only the longest playoff drought in the NFL, but the longest drought in all four major league sports. I was a few months old the last time the Bills were in a playoff game! Needless to say, this was an especially happy New Year's Day for a lot of people in WNY.
And the Bengals are getting free chicken wings out of the deal. This is historic.
Browns will keep Hue Jackson after going 0-16.
Apparently, Marvin Lewis had a change of heart and wanted to keep coaching. The Bengals were happy to oblige. Meanwhile, his former QB, Carson Palmer, is retiring.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 02, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
Apparently, Marvin Lewis had a change of heart and wanted to keep coaching. The Bengals were happy to oblige. Meanwhile, his former QB, Carson Palmer, is retiring.
Man, I feel bad for Bengals fans. 15 years and 0 playoff wins.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 02, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
Apparently, Marvin Lewis had a change of heart and wanted to keep coaching. The Bengals were happy to oblige. Meanwhile, his former QB, Carson Palmer, is retiring.
Man, I feel bad for Bengals fans. 15 years and 0 playoff wins.
I feel worse for Browns fans. 31 of their last 32 games lost.
Quote from: roadguy2 on January 02, 2018, 11:06:18 PM
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 02, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
Apparently, Marvin Lewis had a change of heart and wanted to keep coaching. The Bengals were happy to oblige. Meanwhile, his former QB, Carson Palmer, is retiring.
Man, I feel bad for Bengals fans. 15 years and 0 playoff wins.
I feel worse for Browns fans. 31 of their last 32 games lost.
They should relocate them to Los Angeles too. :D
I am glad the Packers and Seahawks are not in the playoffs this year. I have seen enough of those teams. Wish the Lions would have made it.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 03, 2018, 09:22:17 PM
I am glad the Packers and Seahawks are not in the playoffs this year. I have seen enough of those teams. Wish the Lions would have made it.
The Lions specialize in getting screwed by obscure rules.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 03, 2018, 09:22:17 PM
I am glad the Packers and Seahawks are not in the playoffs this year. I have seen enough of those teams. Wish the Lions would have made it.
AFC top teams are the boring teams though. But boring is often a good thing :spin: :spin:.
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I am glad the Packers and Seahawks are not in the playoffs this year. I have seen enough of those teams. Wish the Lions would have made it.
The Lions specialize in getting screwed by obscure rules.
If Caldwell had challenged that Tate catch, he might still be coaching the team. Instead, the Bengals win, beat Baltimore, and Marvin Lewis, who had all but his second heel out the door, did a 180 and decided he wanted to stay coaching.
Browns 0-16 parade on Saturday.
This first playoff game of the weekend is a rematch of the 1962 AFL Championship Game, in which the Dallas Texans defeated the Houston Oilers 20-17 in double overtime. Of course, both teams have since moved to different cities and changed names.
Titans are coming back against Chiefs.
Hell of a game to start the playoffs. Pretty neat seeing Marcus Mariota throw a TD pass to himself, which was both his first career playoff TD pass and reception.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 06, 2018, 09:29:59 PM
Hell of a game to start the playoffs. Pretty neat seeing Marcus Mariota throw a TD pass to himself, which was both his first career playoff TD pass and reception.
Kind of sucks for Chiefs fans however.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 03, 2018, 11:04:49 PM
AFC top teams are the boring teams though. But boring is often a good thing...
...for the Cheatriots :D
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 04, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
Browns 0-16 parade on Saturday.
I think it's hilarious how
bad the Browns are :-D
The parade made it all the funnier.
For the 2nd time this week a team from the state of Georgia has won a game in a historic football stadium in Los Angeles County
Jon Gruden Joins the Raiders
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21987900/jon-gruden-named-oakland-raiders-head-coach
Jeff Triplette has retired.
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
And I'd say it's about time to change this rule that says they must snap the PAT even when it's meaningless.
Are you fucking kidding me.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 02, 2018, 05:43:06 PM
Apparently, Marvin Lewis had a change of heart and wanted to keep coaching. The Bengals were happy to oblige. Meanwhile, his former QB, Carson Palmer, is retiring.
Man, I feel bad for Bengals fans. 15 years and 0 playoff wins.
Detroit says "Hello."
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
Best. Finish. Ever. WOOOO :hyper:
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
Plenty of folks in Louisiana want to unsee that last play. I feel bad for them.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 14, 2018, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
Best. Finish. Ever. WOOOO :hyper:
Better than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWdA-o04sg
Or how about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7uS0ezb2o4
Best finish to a football game in my lifetime so far, although I'm still a big fan of Auburn's game-winning kickoff return in the Iron Bowl a few years ago.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 14, 2018, 11:30:22 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
Plenty of folks in Louisiana want to unsee that last play. I feel bad for them.
I don't the Vikings suffered a heartbreaker loss in the 2009 NFC championship game. Now the Saints can feel what that is like. They came out on the winning side last time now it can be the other way around. Sometimes luck goes one way this time it went the other way.
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Quote from: Buck87 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Holy crap what an ending in Minnesota just now! Not sure what that New Orleans safety was thinking.
Best. Finish. Ever. WOOOO :hyper:
Better than this?
I should have specified that I meant "a finish I got to witness live." ;-)
Also, don't think I didn't see what you did there with the second video. :meh:
Diggs is the goat! Wow!
https://www.fiercecable.com/video/abc-reportedly-bidding-nfl-thursday-night-football-tv-rights
Here is an update
Fun fact. There are 19 non-rookies on the Patriots who have advanced to the afc championship game in every year of their career.
Jags put up quite a fight today but just couldn't hold on.
So now 15 of the 17 AFC titles in this century have been won by either Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger (8, 4 and 3 respectively, and the other 2 were Rich Gannon and Joe Flacco)
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2018, 06:18:25 PM
So now 15 of the 17 AFC titles in this century have been won by either Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger (8, 4 and 3 respectively, and the other 2 were Rich Gannon and Joe Flacco)
Which one of the 18 (one per year from 2001 to 2018) are you excluding?
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2018, 06:18:25 PM
So now 15 of the 17 AFC titles in this century have been won by either Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger (8, 4 and 3 respectively, and the other 2 were Rich Gannon and Joe Flacco)
Which one of the 18 (one per year from 2001 to 2018) are you excluding?
I'm going by seasons. The first season of the 21st century was 2001, and the current season is 2017.
https://www.fiercecable.com/video/espn-disney-xd-to-broadcast-madden-nfl-esports-league
Update Disney XD and ESPN will air Madden NFL Esports league.
Gronk has cleared concussion protocol. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
The thing about the Patriots is that no matter how far behind they are, they will still win the game.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
Maybe a little more for those of us who root for that team. Last year, the "Revenge Tour" story made it more interesting, and of course the improbable comeback against the Falcons. This year, not so much, except maybe the fear that the window might be closing on the Patriots, and this year might be their last chance for awhile.
Those rooting against the Patriots (who I expect will vastly outnumber me at the party I'll be attending Sunday evening, as happened last year) can at least hope their latest opponent will be the one to defeat them. They can dream of something like how the Mississippi State women's B-ball team finally knocked off the rather Patriot-like UConn behemoth in the 2017 Women's Final Four.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
That's why we have the commercials to keep us interested
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 01, 2018, 06:28:08 PM
Gronk has cleared concussion protocol.
Gotta love football player nicknames that make it sound like they
always have a concussion. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
I still watched the Star Wars prequels even though I knew the evil Galactic Empire was going to win.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
So does it ever bore the crap out of you guys that actually watch football that the same team is in the Super Bowl almost every year?
Yes, including this Sunday, 14 of the last 15 and 15 of the last 17 AFC Super Bowl participants have had Tom Brady, Peyton Manning on Ben Roethlisberger as the starting QB, with 9 wins among them. One of the three is retired and I'm really looking forward to when the other two are gone and there can be more parity.
Yes it gets boring seeing Brady and the Patriots in the Super Bowl every year. But I still watch hoping they'll lose. Part of the fun of watching is not only rooting for a team but also rooting against a team you hate.
If they lose Sunday, the Patriots will be only 5-5 in Super Bowls. That's quite mediocre :-/
Quote from: webny99 on January 06, 2018, 10:47:20 PMthe Cheatriots
Surely the team from Foxborough are the Cheetahs? cf Jacksonville Jaguars, Cincinnati Bengals, Carolina Panthers, Detroit Lions. :-P
I can't be bothered to stay up this year - when the match starts at half 11, and you've had a legit late night the night before (like I will tonight), there's excuses, but the fact of it is I just can't stand the teams. It would be great to watch Brady hopefully get beat*, but by the Eagles? Nah, not worth the effort - if it were some other team, probably, but I can't get interested about Cheetahs-Eagles.
*last year was great - he got sacked lots and they were losing big. Then sadly as I was nodding off in the small hours I had a nightmare that they started playing well, Brady was being praised as the greatest, and the Cheetahs won the trophy. Sadly I wasn't quite asleep.
Like most people, tomorrow I'm rooting against the PatRiots, and thus for the Eagles.
BTW, I've "fixed" the subject title :sombrero:. The "futbol chatter" thread will be "fixed" to "Association football" next time I post there :bigass:.
I spotted
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 03, 2018, 04:50:32 AM
Like most people, tomorrow I'm rooting against the PatRiots, and thus for the Eagles.
BTW, I've "fixed" the subject title :sombrero:. The "futbol chatter" thread will be "fixed" to "Association football" next time I post there :bigass:.
How about "Soccer aka Association football"? ;)
I spotted that article about safety equipment of North American Football versus Rugby. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-02/nfl-and-problem-government-safety-mandates Btw, they also should had also compare it with Australian Football since they don't play with helmets either.
This interchange in New Hampshire is really rubbing it in:
(https://i.imgur.com/WFHFGzV.png)
Quote from: kurumi on February 03, 2018, 10:59:31 AM
This interchange in New Hampshire is really rubbing it in:
(https://i.imgur.com/WFHFGzV.png)
Wrong thread?
Quote from: 1 on February 03, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: kurumi on February 03, 2018, 10:59:31 AM
This interchange in New Hampshire is really rubbing it in:
(https://i.imgur.com/WFHFGzV.png)
Wrong thread?
Seriously?
That's way too much of a reach, just like Brady enjoys his morning reach-around in the locker room.
(For anyone stumped by the US 3 / NH 28 signs, Google "3-28 super bowl".)
The Eagles had won their 1st Super Bowl championship and the won against the curse of Billy Penn. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/Philadelphia-Eagles-New-England-Patriots-Super-Bowl-LII-472600323.html
Now I'm curious what the Eagles are going to ask for in trade value for Nick Foles. That's a hell of a story losing the start so far into the season and winning the whole thing anyways.
Why the fuck is Joe Buck hated so much when Cris Collinsworth did nothing the whole game but cum in his pants every time Brady walked on the field? The commentating booth was nothing but a Pats circle jerk. :ded: The halftime show was their refractory period.
I get that nearly everybody has a favorite team but goddamn, his bias made me want to send my TV to Philly and tell the fans celebrating in downtown to hold my TV in the air after climbing a street pole and yell "fuck Collinsworth!" and smash it like the savages they are.
Yeah, Collinsworth was horrible.
The NFC East is now the only NFL Division in which all 4 teams have won a Super Bowl
The Eagles fans celebrations reminds me of the day when the Habs won the Stanley cup in 1986 and 1993.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-05/super-bowl-mayhem-philadelphia-celebrates-fires-looting-and-shooting
Let's wait and see when the Toronto Maple Leafs will win their 1st Stanley cup since 1967 (and expansion teams like St. Louis, Buffalo, Vancouver, Washington still waiting for their very 1st Stanley cup championship). ;)
Just like I expected, the Eagles won. They had never won a Super Bowl, and they had not won it all since 1960 (before the Super Bowl was started).
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 04, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
The Eagles had won their 1st Super Bowl championship and the won against the curse of Billy Penn. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/Philadelphia-Eagles-New-England-Patriots-Super-Bowl-LII-472600323.html
No such curse exists after the Phillies won the World Series in 2008. However, there was another curse which they broke, the Lombardi Curse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lombardi_Curse).
Quote from: Rothman on February 05, 2018, 08:28:28 AM
Yeah, Collinsworth was horrible.
It's gotten attention.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-nws-cris-collinsworth-super-bowl-20180205-story.html (http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-nws-cris-collinsworth-super-bowl-20180205-story.html)
https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/cris-collinsworth-is-now-public-enemy-no-1-in-philadelphia/ (https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/cris-collinsworth-is-now-public-enemy-no-1-in-philadelphia/)
Don't even get me started on the way he handled Ertz's touchdown...
Quote from: LM117 on February 05, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Don't even get me started on the way he handled Ertz's touchdown...
Yeah, what f-in replay was he watching? What an idiot.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 05, 2018, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 05, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Don't even get me started on the way he handled Ertz's touchdown...
Yeah, what f-in replay was he watching? What an idiot.
*nods*
Ridiculous, and I was rooting for the Pats.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 05, 2018, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 05, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Don't even get me started on the way he handled Ertz's touchdown...
Yeah, what f-in replay was he watching? What an idiot.
"He was going to the ground..." Bullshit. Ertz caught it and got full control. He established himself as a runner when he turned towards the end zone, and the ball broke the plane.
Super Bowl was trash, Justin Timberpoop was worse. At least they kept Mcdaniels afterwards.
I saw that news via Skyscraperpage forums http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=8016757&postcount=16 http://3downnation.com/2017/12/12/atlantic-schooners-name-re-registered/
After years and years of rumors of a CFL team in the Maritimes provinces mainly in Halifax, could we said, this time this is it?
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Maritime Football Limited has registered as a business in Nova Scotia and also re-registered for the Atlantic Schooners trademark.
Anthony LeBlanc is listed as the president, CEO and director while Gary Drummond is vice president. They are heading a group that made a pitch to the board of governors for a CFL franchise in Halifax. Part of that proposal was to request a conditional team be awarded in 2018, with games to begin in 2020.
The CFL awarded a conditional franchise to Halifax in 1982 — it was named the Atlantic Schooners — but financing for a stadium never came about. The league played regular-season games in Moncton, N.B., in 2010, 2011 and '13.
The Schooners trademark has been formalized by the Canadian government.
Jags to London has picked up pace - Shahid Khan is in talks with the FA to buy Wembley Stadium for £800 million (it seems odd for US sports team to pay for its stadium...).
Articles from: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11347197/fa-in-talks-over-sale-of-wembley-stadium-to-fulham-and-jacksonville-jaguars-owner-shahid-khan?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral) and BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43906272).
Quote from: english si on April 26, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
Jags to London has picked up pace - Shahid Khan is in talks with the FA to buy Wembley Stadium for £800 million (it seems odd for US sports team to pay for its stadium...).
Articles from: Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11347197/fa-in-talks-over-sale-of-wembley-stadium-to-fulham-and-jacksonville-jaguars-owner-shahid-khan?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral) and BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43906272).
How is this even going to work? Are the Jags going to be making trans-Atlantic flights every other week? Will they get their road games grouped together in 2s and 3s and stay in the US in between games? The other AFC South teams will have to go to London every year. The novelty probably wears off in a couple years and then it becomes a long trip they have to take every year but other teams only have to take once every few years.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2018, 12:54:42 PM
How is this even going to work? Are the Jags going to be making trans-Atlantic flights every other week? Will they get their road games grouped together in 2s and 3s and stay in the US in between games? The other AFC South teams will have to go to London every year. The novelty probably wears off in a couple years and then it becomes a long trip they have to take every year but other teams only have to take once every few years.
If the London team shares a division with 3 other East Coast teams, the travel will be more manageable. London is only 4 or 5 hours ahead of the Eastern Time zone (depending on daylight savings), so it won't be much worse than going to the West Coast (3 hours difference).
Here's a hypothetical realignment of the AFC to accommodate a London-based Jaguars:
Atlantic: New England, London, New York Jets, Baltimore.
Midwest: Buffalo, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh.
South: Houston, Tennessee, Miami, Cincinatti.
West: Los Angeles Chargers, Denver, Oakland, Kansas City. (No change.)
Alternately, consider this alignment:
North: Buffalo, New England, New York Jets.
Atlantic: Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.
South: Houston, Tennessee, Miami.
West: Los Angeles Chargers, Denver, Oakland.
Central: Kansas City, Indianapolis, Cincinnati.
London rotates through these divisions, playing with a different division each year. The following year, the division that played London doesn't play together; each team of the division joins another division for that season.
For example, take the above list as the schedule, and consider a season where London plays in the North and the Central is the division on hiatus. So that year, the alignment could be this:
North: Buffalo, New England, New York Jets, London.
Atlantic: Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati.
South: Houston, Tennessee, Miami, Indianapolis.
West: Los Angeles Chargers, Denver, Oakland, Kansas City.
A London team would probably do 4 road games, 8 home games, 4 road games with a base camp in the US somewhere to train those months. This minimises travel, and allows teams to take their off-week before/after playing the Jags (or whatever they rename themselves*) if they want to.
There's a problem is the two AFC teams who are the only ones in the division to have to play in London. There's an issue with the playoffs if London team gets home advantage seeding. A Superbowl would be tolerable (and will no doubt happen the first or second season), other than it airing a bit earlier than normal in the US as Wembley residents won't take well with a game beginning just half an hour before midnight. An 8pm kick off GMT would be noon PST, and at least people would be all out of the stadium by 1am.
Most of this is discussed upthread anyway. I'm unconvinced a London team would actually work (for reasons I discuss upthread), but this is another step on the road.
I imagine some of the timing has to do with Chelsea soon wanting to rent Wembley for a season (like Tottenham have this season) while they rebuild. They are seen as losers (along with the city of Jacksonville, and Tottenham Hotspur who's new stadium has been made NFL-compatible to try and get the London team to go there - still there's the 20 games they'll have over the next decade) as this won't happen. And no article has extrapolated that Khan owns Fulham, Chelsea's local rivals - I doubt he's hugely happy about the other stadium in Fulham being expanded!
*It would be silly to have a team called the Jag-uars in a city where it's pronounced Jag-u-ars. British Bulldogs would be good. Also stops it being a London team and alienate elsewhere in Britain.
It's not so bad for a divisional opponent or an Eastern Time Zone team to go to London to play a game, then fly back home the next week and play a game. However, I would make sure that the Jags are always home on the last Sunday in October, as the UK goes back to standard time a week earlier than the US, and therefore it's only a 4 hour difference between the East Coast and London.
The Jags and Dolphins would swap places in the divisions. Yes, you'd lose rivalries the Dolphins have with the Pats, Bills, and Jets, but London is (relatively speaking) more in line latitude wise with those 3 teams, so a swap makes sense (London is 25 degrees north of Miami, but only about 9-11 degrees north of the other 3. Plus, Miami is farther west). You could also use this as an opportunity to make the logical geographical swap of Buffalo and Baltimore, but the Rooneys may veto that.
As for Jags road trips, I would make sure that any trips west of the Eastern Time Zone are at least a 2 game trip. There potentially can be a year where they don't have to travel west of the Eastern Time Zone (a year where they play the AFC North and either the NFC East or South, and the game against either the Cowboys or Saints is a home game), while the maximum could be 5 (a year where they play the AFC and NFC West, and their inter-divisional road game against the AFC South is either in Nashville or Houston. In this case, I would have a 3 game and a 2 game trip).
For any team in the Mountain or Pacific Time Zone, they would be guaranteed a bye week before the game. The reason I suggest before: you lose time as you fly east, but also be guaranteed a stopover game on the way back against a team in the Eastern Time Zone. After the bye week, teams could go over film and hold meetings Monday, take a red eye Monday Night and land Tuesday late in the day in London, practice Wed-Sat, game Sunday. Hold game film and meetings Monday in London, fly out Tuesday morning London time, get the 5 hours back and land Tuesday afternoon in the US, practice at a nearby facility Wed-Sat, then game Sunday or Monday, then go home.
Boston to London flight times are pretty much the same as Boston to LA (6h35 vs 6h30). New York is 7h10 for London, 6h15 for LA, so it doesn't take much for it to skew to trans-atlantic being longer than trans-continental. BWI is 7h10 to London, 5h45 to LA.
Flight times are probably a bigger thing than time differences. Yes there's a jet lag, but that can be minimised by working on different hours while in London - if training starts at 9am in Boston, you can start at 11am in London and reduce the difference by two hours - a three hour difference is surely a regular part of the game? Games can be evening ones in the UK (starting at 6pm local time, which is the same time as most US Sunday games start UK-time), though there'll be afternoon games (9am Eastern) to create a morning game in the US. An evening game will reduce the effective time difference. And a 2pm game (an afternoon game outside of the week where the difference is less) is an hour later starting than in Eastern. You'll obviously not get a MNF/SNF/TNF game from London - they start after midnight.
You'd imagine that the umpteen games in London have dealt with the logistics for road teams - they certainly have tested it (including not having bye weeks before/after games). The problem is the home team, and whether it can convince a British public that sells out 4 games a season, but with supporters of all 32 teams and no one team standing out beyond what team the crowd prefers (like a Superbowl) to back a single team enough to make it feel like home. Oh, and sell out (or at least come close to) Wembley 8 times a year (OK, 6 and Tottenham twice) - something I'm not sure the English national soccer team has done.* And those 8 times in a year will likely be all in a row - certainly not too far apart.
There's two of three London games this season that are afternoon (Chargers-Titans on Oct 21 and Jaguars-Eagles on Oct 28 - the latter on the week where the time difference is 4 hours). And the evening game: Seahawks-Raiders on Oct 14 at Tottenham will be doubly interesting - both the first NFL game at the new stadium, and first Pacific-vs-Pacific game in London.
*Many are saying the sale of Wembley is a boon here - not only do England play a few games each fall 'on tour', like they did when Wembley was being rebuilt, but those games won't have so many empty seats, as they'll be in smaller stadia!
I saw these news via a post on Skyscraperpage.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=231059&page=35
https://www.thestar.com/halifax/2018/07/17/council-votes-for-staff-report-exploring-cfl-stadium-in-halifax.html
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl/cfl-expansion-to-halifax-reaches-crucial-crossroad-1.4750278
QuoteCFL expansion to Halifax reaches crucial crossroad
Next 4 to 6 weeks could determine if 10th CFL team becomes reality
Devin Heroux · CBC Sports · July 17
The optimism surrounding yet another attempt at CFL expansion to Atlantic Canada has been extremely cautious. Besides, many have said they've been here before only to have the conversation fall flat.
But since Anthony Leblanc and his business team, Maritime Football, made serious their intention to bring a team to Nova Scotia during Grey Cup week last November, it's felt different.
The Washington Valor (regular season 2-10) have just won ArenaBowl XXX1. Ted Leonsis' first team went to Baltimore and defeated his other team, the Brigade. Apparently next year the AFL is supposed to have twice as many teams as this year's 4. The Valor are now the second team which plays its home games in Capital One Arena to have won its league's championship this year.
Quote from: davewiecking on July 28, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
The Washington Valor (regular season 2-10) have just won ArenaBowl XXX1. Ted Leonsis' first team went to Baltimore and defeated his other team, the Brigade. Apparently next year the AFL is supposed to have twice as many teams as this year's 4. The Valor are now the second team which plays its home games in Capital One Arena to have won its league's championship this year.
Let's hope it'll bring a more promising future to that league. If the AFL folded, I guess some teams might move to the IFL (Indoor Football League) or another league like the Arizona Rattlers did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Rattlers
Edit: The Iowa Barnstormers are also another AFL team who moved to the IFL and won the championship of the IFL this season as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Barnstormers
We have a friend who had Valor season tickets, but she's dropping them to free up more money for Caps tickets. She didn't go to last night's game because of the hassle of going to Baltimore. Game was supposed to be in DC because the league said it'd be hosted by the team with higher average attendance, but Verizon Center was/is unavailable due to construction for major renovations, including replacing all the seats.
College football is back! :bigass: :bigass: :bigass:
https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/nfl-ratings-2018-opener-1202931905/ (https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/nfl-ratings-2018-opener-1202931905/)
Here is an update on the NFL for the 2018 season.
Quote
The first official game of the 2018 NFL (https://variety.com/t/nfl/) season came in lower than 2017's opener in the early ratings.
Thursday's game between the Atlanta Falcons and the Philadelphia Eagles on NBC (https://variety.com/t/nbc/) drew a 13.4 rating in metered market households. That is off approximately 8% from the 14.6 delivered by last year's opener. In addition to the continuing trend of ratings erosion, the game no doubt suffered due to a weather delay that pushed kickoff time past 9 p.m. ET. The game did not conclude until after midnight.
In the fast national ratings, which are not time zone adjusted, the game is at a 6.6 rating in adults 18-49 and 19 million viewers. However, due to the nature of live sports, those numbers will be subject to revision later today.
Little else aired on broadcast against the NFL (https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/nfl-backs-nike-colin-kaepernick-ad-1202926743/). "Big Brother" (1.4, 5.2 million) ticked up in viewers from last week on CBS. On ABC, "Match Game" (0.6, 3.3 million) was up in the demo and "Take Two" (0.4, 2.4 million) was even.
Arkansas once again snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Ahead 27-9, then lost 34-27 :pan: :ded:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/405765-trump-knocks-nfl-on-first-games-lower-ratings
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colin-kaepernick-president-trump-kneeling-nfl-national-anthem_us_5b956a23e4b0162f472e58aa
Here is an update President Trump made the NFL a political issue again.
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Quote from: Buck87 on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Such a Browns outcome.
Quote from: Alps on September 09, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Such a Browns outcome.
But leaving the Steelers confused was a silver lining to the day.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on September 11, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 09, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Such a Browns outcome.
But leaving the Steelers confused was a silver lining to the day.
It was kind of a shame that Ben couldn't add to his win count as the winning-est QB in Cleveland Browns Stadium history.
Quote from: Alps on September 09, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Such a Browns outcome.
Then they cut Josh Gordon unexpectedly today.
Quote from: Big John on September 15, 2018, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 09, 2018, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
The Browns didn't lose today.
They also didn't win.
Such a Browns outcome.
Then they cut Josh Gordon unexpectedly today.
He unexpectedly showed up with a hamstring injury yesterday, sustained doing a photo shoot. That's So Browns.
Another week, another tie. :pan:
Unbelievable.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 17, 2018, 12:30:59 AM
Another week, another tie. :pan:
Unbelievable.
Yeah, this revised roughing the passer rule needs
a lot of work. Is the defense supposed to clear how their going to sack the QB before attempting a tackle?
The ref's explanation.
Try paying attention dude, Clay did not pick up the quarterback!! :banghead: :banghead:
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1041447764935303168
And about the placekicking in Sunday's Vikings @ Packers draw....
:wow:
OTOH, I was very happy when the Packers picked JK Scott (punter) in latter rounds of this year's draft - and my satisfaction was re-enforced in that game. A good punter will get a team out of trouble, effectively reversing the field, in one helluvahurry!
:cool:
Mike
Fuck the refs. That's all I'm gonna say about that.
Do you think the NFL should change it's overtime rules?
Quote from: theroadwayone on September 18, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
Do you think the NFL should change it's overtime rules?
Yes, back to a fifteen minute period. The rest can stay as-is.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 18, 2018, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on September 18, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
Do you think the NFL should change it's overtime rules?
Yes, back to a fifteen minute period. The rest can stay as-is.
Howabout eliminate overtime during the regular season and go to three points for a win and one point for a draw in the standings (like is common in the world of fútbol)?
Mike
IMHO,
- The expanded roughing the passer rule is just a symptom of over emphasis on safety. Football is dangerous. If you don't want to play, don't play. The problem with this rule is that legitimate hits on QBs are now impossible.
- The NFL ratings decline is, in part, a result of the over emphasis on safety, in part, just that everything is down as the choices get more and more; but, in part, political. It just is what it is.
- Games should never end in a tie. The college system is vastly superior to the pro system for tie breaks.
- It is early, but it looks like the focus of evil in the modern world, the Pittsburgh Steelers, are collapsing into in fighting, back stabbing, and just getting old. More will be known after MNF this week, but we can certainly hope that a full collapse is happening.
Would this work as a tiebreaker?
"The most recent team to score is the winner."
Quote from: SP Cook on September 19, 2018, 11:12:12 AM
IMHO,
- The expanded roughing the passer rule is just a symptom of over emphasis on safety. Football is dangerous. If you don't want to play, don't play. The problem with this rule is that legitimate hits on QBs are now impossible.
- The NFL ratings decline is, in part, a result of the over emphasis on safety, in part, just that everything is down as the choices get more and more; but, in part, political. It just is what it is.
- Games should never end in a tie. The college system is vastly superior to the pro system for tie breaks.
- It is early, but it looks like the focus of evil in the modern world, the Pittsburgh Steelers, are collapsing into in fighting, back stabbing, and just getting old. More will be known after MNF this week, but we can certainly hope that a full collapse is happening.
If anything, the overemphasis on safety is to protect ratings. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees go down for the season and ratings take a nosedive for those teams.
I have no problem with ties. If you force there to be a winner, you end up with gimmicks that don't really measure who the better team was that day (shootouts in hockey/soccer, starting with the ball at the opponents' 25 in football, etc.)
Quote from: 1 on September 19, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Would this work as a tiebreaker?
"The most recent team to score is the winner."
As I just noted above, I don't think ties need to be broken. But if anything, I'd do the opposite of what you proposed. Unless the most recent team to score was behind by 8 points, then they chose to play for the tie instead of the win. Make it so that the most recent team to score loses, then they have to go for the TD instead of FG when behind by 3, and have to go for 2 instead of 1 when behind by 7.
Quote from: 1 on September 19, 2018, 11:22:24 AM
Would this work as a tiebreaker?
"The most recent team to score is the winner."
I'd say no. You're rewarding the team who had a bigger 4th quarter. Would that team be more likely to score again? Arguably. But whose to say the other team won't have a sudden comeback? You might as well base the tiebreaker by which team has scored more points over the season to-date (which wouldn't work for the first game of the season).
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2018, 11:39:43 AM
If anything, the overemphasis on safety is to protect ratings. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees go down for the season and ratings take a nosedive for those teams.
And go up for other teams. Remember Seinfeld's famous quote that pointed out most sports fans are really rooting for laundry, and not who is wearing it.
Just look at NASCAR which has safetyed away 80% of its peak fanbase. While football is light years beyond what NASCAR ever was, when you start changing the fundamental nature of your product you alienate those who like it.
Overtime should be untimed. Just have a play clock and keep going until someone wins.
Keep the rule about needing more than a field goal to win in OT on the first possession, though.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 19, 2018, 11:41:16 AMAs I just noted above, I don't think ties need to be broken.
Indeed - it's only necessary in a knock out competition (eg the play-offs) to do it.
Also, how overtime results get put on the win-lose record is silly - if you can't beat a team in the allotted four quarters, then you don't deserve a win and they don't deserve a loss. But as there's a culture demand to have a winner - hence overtime, then I suggest that a team that loses in overtime adds 0-0-1 to their record, while the winning team adds 1-0 to their record.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 19, 2018, 02:51:42 PMOvertime should be untimed. Just have a play clock and keep going until someone wins.
Keep the rule about needing more than a field goal to win in OT on the first possession, though.
While needing a TD is better than just needing a score, it is unfair to the team that defends first, as their offence doesn't get a response.
A friend once put it as "it's like if, in soccer, one team takes their 5 penalties first - and if they score them all, the other team doesn't get a chance to see if they can equal that".
Soccer used to alternate penalties, and 'sudden death' if still tied after 5 penalties required there to be a difference in score after an equal number of penalties. I say 'used to alternate', as they changed the rules as they still felt the team going first gained an advantage. The order now goes ABBAABBAAB.
I'm all for sudden death, where the game will just keep going until one team wins. Sure, that could result in 4+ (or even 5+) hour games, but I'd rather see that than one that ends in a tie.
Quote from: Henry on September 20, 2018, 09:36:10 AM
I'm all for sudden death, where the game will just keep going until one team wins. Sure, that could result in 4+ (or even 5+) hour games, but I'd rather see that than one that ends in a tie.
That's not realistic when teams have another game to play in as few as 4 days.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 20, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 20, 2018, 09:36:10 AM
I'm all for sudden death, where the game will just keep going until one team wins. Sure, that could result in 4+ (or even 5+) hour games, but I'd rather see that than one that ends in a tie.
That's not realistic when teams have another game to play in as few as 4 days.
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner
has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 20, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 20, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 20, 2018, 09:36:10 AM
I'm all for sudden death, where the game will just keep going until one team wins. Sure, that could result in 4+ (or even 5+) hour games, but I'd rather see that than one that ends in a tie.
That's not realistic when teams have another game to play in as few as 4 days.
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
It has happened a few times: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000126753/double-overtime-games-in-the-postseason
Quote from: MNHighwayMan
Quote from: Big John on September 20, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
It has happened a few times: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000126753/double-overtime-games-in-the-postseason
In NFL playoffs, it is always at least six days between when the winner of one playoff game is determined, and the winner has to play again in the next round. In the regular season, the gap can be shorter with Thursday games (including day games on Thanksgiving) following Sunday games.
I like Mike's idea of no overtime in the regular NFL season. Maybe take it one step more, and count a tie in regulation as a loss for both teams. That would make teams try harder to win in regulation, rather than settle for a tie.
It would be interesting if an MLB wild-card playoff game went to 20 innings or more. The winner might have very little time to recover before playing the first game in the next round, though at least it will have at least two more games to recover and catch up if it loses the first game.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 20, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 20, 2018, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 20, 2018, 09:36:10 AM
I'm all for sudden death, where the game will just keep going until one team wins. Sure, that could result in 4+ (or even 5+) hour games, but I'd rather see that than one that ends in a tie.
That's not realistic when teams have another game to play in as few as 4 days.
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
You have a sample size problem there. 11 playoff games per year vs 256 regular season games per year. It would happen a lot more.
Quote from: Big John on September 20, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 20, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
It has happened a few times: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000126753/double-overtime-games-in-the-postseason
Interesting. The 2012 one is the only one I remembered. I don't remember the one in 2003 and the rest all happened before my time.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 20, 2018, 02:34:25 PM
You have a sample size problem there. 11 playoff games per year vs 256 regular season games per year. It would happen a lot more.
While that's probably true, I still don't think this would become a major problem.
Quote from: english si on September 19, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
Soccer used to alternate penalties, and 'sudden death' if still tied after 5 penalties required there to be a difference in score after an equal number of penalties. I say 'used to alternate', as they changed the rules as they still felt the team going first gained an advantage. The order now goes ABBAABBAAB.
That must be a
very recent rule change, as I seem to recall this year's World Cup still alternating like normal.
Quote from: Eth on September 20, 2018, 04:43:10 PMThat must be a very recent rule change, as I seem to recall this year's World Cup still alternating like normal.
Having checked, it predates this year's World Cup by a year (summer 2017), but is only in select competitions that have opted in - ie not the World Cup.
Interestingly, while looking up to see whether more than just the under-17s and -19s Euros that UEFA have doing it (not clear as they refer you to rules which allow both options), it seems that UEFA counts wins/losses by penalty shoot out as draws for club co-efficient calculations (which determine what seeding pot your team goes in in future years, and some other stuff - like the cut of the TV money revenue).
Quote from: oscar on September 20, 2018, 02:15:07 PMMaybe take it one step more, and count a tie in regulation as a loss for both teams. That would make teams try harder to win in regulation, rather than settle for a tie.
Is this a problem? After all, teams tend to try hard to avoid overtime now - going for riskier 2-point conversions to get ahead by one, rather than the easier 1 point and being level-on-score with not very long left.
Then again, perhaps the tie-situation of playing more gruelling football where you'd still be risking a loss reduces the risk of going all-or-nothing for a 2-point conversion rather than playing it safe and going for a simple PAT?
And ties in American Football don't count as anything more than a tie-breaker between teams with equal numbers of wins. In Soccer leagues, they count as as a third of a win (so 4 draws are better than a win and 3 losses), so the idea of playing for a draw might make sense. But it doesn't in American Football, especially with it's clear division between offence and defence - if you can 'park the bus' with the defence, you can still go all out with offence.
Quote from: english si on September 20, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: oscar on September 20, 2018, 02:15:07 PMMaybe take it one step more, and count a tie in regulation as a loss for both teams. That would make teams try harder to win in regulation, rather than settle for a tie.
Is this a problem? After all, teams tend to try hard to avoid overtime now - going for riskier 2-point conversions to get ahead by one, rather than the easier 1 point and being level-on-score with not very long left.
Then again, perhaps the tie-situation of playing more gruelling football where you'd still be risking a loss reduces the risk of going all-or-nothing for a 2-point conversion rather than playing it safe and going for a simple PAT?
When college teams go for two points for the win, rather than one to put the game into overtime, the usual reaction is to treat that as an unusual event and/or an outbreak of good sportsmanship.
Some pro or college teams go for two because their place kicker is injured or missing kicks, and/or the team is getting exhausted and so time is not on their side. But the standard "safe" strategy is to play for overtime, and hope to win the coin flip.
It's over. The beer coolers are open. The Browns have won!!!!! :-o :awesomeface: :clap: :clap:
First win since 12-24-16 (a game I attended for $9 on stubhub)
Excellent job by Mayfield in his first NFL game action, and nice to see Buckeye Carlos Hyde have a big game on his birthday.
Good to see the Browns break that streak.
"The Browns' first win in 635 days"
I hate misleading statistics...nobody in the league was able to win, lose, nor tie any game for roughly 400 of those days.
Quote from: oscar on September 20, 2018, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan
Quote from: Big John on September 20, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
I don't think that'd really be a problem, though. Playoff games (where it's already true that a winner has to be decided) have only gone to double overtime once that I can remember.
It has happened a few times: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000126753/double-overtime-games-in-the-postseason
In NFL playoffs, it is always at least six days between when the winner of one playoff game is determined, and the winner has to play again in the next round. In the regular season, the gap can be shorter with Thursday games (including day games on Thanksgiving) following Sunday games.
I like Mike's idea of no overtime in the regular NFL season. Maybe take it one step more, and count a tie in regulation as a loss for both teams. That would make teams try harder to win in regulation, rather than settle for a tie.
That's why I suggested going to the practice of 'points' in the standings, with three points being awarded to a team for a win and one point for a draw. Right now, the NFL is essentially two standings points for a win and one for a draw.
Thus, after Week Two, the NFC-North would be:
Green Bay - 1 W, 1 D, 0 L - 4 points
Minnesota - 1 W, 1 D, 0 L - 4 points
Chicago - 1 W, 0 D, 1 L - 3 points
Detroit - 0 W, 0 D, 2 L - 0 points
Mike
People detest ties in US sports. It has been said that ties are like kissing your sister. The NFL implemented overtime for the 1974 season to prevent ties. There were 258 ties between 1920 and 1973, and have only been 24 since. The NHL implemented the shootout to eliminate regular season ties, and of course, baseball and basketball do not have ties (there have been tie games in MLB, but they are replayed and do not count in the standings, and I'm not counting Spring Training games which end after 10 innings if tied). I'd rather see the NCAA system implemented.
Quote from: oscar on September 20, 2018, 02:15:07 PMMaybe take it one step more, and count a tie in regulation as a loss for both teams.
Thinking about this some more - while it's understandable that teams which haven't won in the allotted time don't get a win but to give teams that haven't lost in the allotted time a loss is equally bad.
Americans love winners, so either you have to treat a failure to win as a loss, or sort it out that there's a winner (and thus a loser)
Brits love pluck, so we treat not-losing as something worthy even if not winning, so want to reward that, while also not wanting to reward not defeating the opposition with a win.
Of course, there's a difference between playing negatively to get a draw, and bravely defending against the odds to deny the other team a win. We don't like the former much, while the latter is treated in the psyche as a win.
Arguably the archetypal English 'plucky draw' (in cricket, a tie is specifically when scores are equal and both teams are all out (twice in test matches), whereas a draw is when time has run out and neither team has won by getting the other team all out (twice in test matches) and scoring more runs) is the Cardiff test (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Ashes_series#First_Test) against Australia in 2009. England get a decent score in their first innings of 435. Australia reply by scoring and scoring. Due to rain reducing match time, and their need to get England out, they declare their innings over at 674 for 6 wickets (of 10) just before the end of the 4th day of 5. England need 239 runs to force Australia to have to bat again. Australia just needed their 10 wickets (an any surplus runs) to win. By lunch (1/3rd of the way through the day), England were 102 runs for 5 wickets and looking bleak. Collingwood batted for 5 hours, which helped a lot, but with the score 233 for 9, just under an hour left (which includes an extra half-hour if it might mean a team can win) - and Australia needing just the wicket of Anderson or Panesar, neither of whom are good with the bat (they are good with the ball) and then to smack it about carelessly and score any runs England have overtaken them by - easy for the. England overtake them, so that's 12 balls/10 minutes removed from the match to allow for the sides to change around. Even with 20 minutes to go, an Aussie win is still the most likely outcome - the England lead was so small enough to get in just a few balls. But Jimmy and Montie won't get out (I'm pretty sure it was most balls Montie Panesar ever had to face as an England player - and if his 7 runs wasn't a career best, then he never got into double digits). The time runs out. England have salvaged a draw that triumphs in the psyche more than the next match, where England beat Australia at Lords for the first time in over 70 years (I'd totally forgotten that)! We don't honor the England batters who didn't do their job well, but Collingwood who did, and Anderson and Panesar who did other's jobs of running down the clock for them.
Quote from: oscar on September 20, 2018, 02:15:07 PM
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It would be interesting if an MLB wild-card playoff game went to 20 innings or more. The winner might have very little time to recover before playing the first game in the next round, though at least it will have at least two more games to recover and catch up if it loses the first game.
One of the best examples of that sort of thing would probably be the 1987 Stanley Cup Playoffs. The Islanders eliminated the Capitals in seven games (the only first-round series to go seven that year), but Game 7 went to 8:47 of the fourth overtime (in essence, two full games plus 8:47 of a third game) and then the Islanders had to begin the next round against the Flyers two nights later. Talk about an extreme disadvantage! Somehow the Islanders took the Flyers to seven games before losing.
Not a perfect analogy to baseball, of course, given how the pitching rotation works, but it's probably the closest thing of which I'm aware in terms of a super-long game to close out one opponent followed by facing another opponent who had more rest.
Proposal to speed up games and increase safety:
1) Eliminate kickoffs - at the beginning of each half and after each score, the ball will be put into play at the 25 yard line.
2) Eliminate kicking PATs - if you want to go for 2, the standard rules apply, otherwise, the touchdown is just counted as 7 points.
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Proposal to speed up games and increase safety:
1) Eliminate kickoffs - at the beginning of each half and after each score, the ball will be put into play at the 25 yard line.
2) Eliminate kicking PATs - if you want to go for 2, the standard rules apply, otherwise, the touchdown is just counted as 7 points.
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
Eliminating the NFL will also accomplish the desired goal, and may as well do it based on the above.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Proposal to speed up games and increase safety:
1) Eliminate kickoffs - at the beginning of each half and after each score, the ball will be put into play at the 25 yard line.
2) Eliminate kicking PATs - if you want to go for 2, the standard rules apply, otherwise, the touchdown is just counted as 7 points.
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
I expect #1 will happen soon enough. There's already a new rule being used in college this year in which you can call for a fair catch anywhere inside the 25 and automatically receive the ball at the 25.
For #3, there's a simpler way: just ditch the 2-minute warning. I've never understood why that exists in the first place.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Proposal to speed up games and increase safety:
1) Eliminate kickoffs - at the beginning of each half and after each score, the ball will be put into play at the 25 yard line.
2) Eliminate kicking PATs - if you want to go for 2, the standard rules apply, otherwise, the touchdown is just counted as 7 points.
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
Problem with #1: Eliminates the onside kick
The potential solution, I have seen proposed, is that the Scoring Team, after the score, instead of a kickoff, gets a 4th and 15 or 4th and 20 from their own 25 to 35 yard line (the exact yard to spot the ball at, could be up for discussion at a formal Rule Making session).
Most teams will run the Punter out and bomb it away, and a Punt/Return play is much safer compared to the kickoff
If you need the ball back, the Scoring Team can run the Offense out there to try and convert the 1st Down, which a 4th and Long has better Coversion odds than an Onside Kick anyway. If successful, they continue the drive. If not, they turn the ball over, deep in their own end. And again, standard Offense vs Defense Plays are generally safer than Kickoff/Returns
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 03, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 02, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Proposal to speed up games and increase safety:
1) Eliminate kickoffs - at the beginning of each half and after each score, the ball will be put into play at the 25 yard line.
2) Eliminate kicking PATs - if you want to go for 2, the standard rules apply, otherwise, the touchdown is just counted as 7 points.
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
Problem with #1: Eliminates the onside kick
The potential solution, I have seen proposed, is that the Scoring Team, after the score, instead of a kickoff, gets a 4th and 15 or 4th and 20 from their own 25 to 35 yard line (the exact yard to spot the ball at, could be up for discussion at a formal Rule Making session).
Most teams will run the Punter out and bomb it away, and a Punt/Return play is much safer compared to the kickoff
If you need the ball back, the Scoring Team can run the Offense out there to try and convert the 1st Down, which a 4th and Long has better Coversion odds than an Onside Kick anyway. If successful, they continue the drive. If not, they turn the ball over, deep in their own end. And again, standard Offense vs Defense Plays are generally safer than Kickoff/Returns
I don't see a problem with eliminating the onside kick. I've never understood the need for the team that just scored to have the opportunity to get the ball back. How about just not getting down by two touchdowns in the 4th quarter?
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 03, 2018, 11:18:20 AM
I don't see a problem with eliminating the onside kick. I've never understood the need for the team that just scored to have the opportunity to get the ball back. How about just not getting down by two touchdowns in the 4th quarter?
Thing is, onside kicks aren't necessarily about catching up from far behind. See: second half opening kick in Super Bowl XLIV.
Now, normally I find people who are all "lol sports" and "football? Isn't it really handegg??" to be insufferable. But if the league eliminates kickoffs, I might just start. Quit screwing with the rules of the game.
Quote from: Eth on October 03, 2018, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: cabiness42
3) Timeouts - At the 2 minute warning of each half, any team with 3 timeouts remaining has their total reduced to 2.
For #3, there's a simpler way: just ditch the 2-minute warning. I've never understood why that exists in the first place.
The 2-minute warning exists as a way to stop the clock without costing anyone a timeout, and also because there are several rules that change after the 2-minute warning. For example, in the NFL there are no coaches' challenges past the two-minute warning; all reviews come from the booth. An injury that stops the clock costs the injured team a timeout, and various offensive penalties require a 10-second runoff, among others.
The clock comes to a full stop as a way to clearly define the boundaries between "normal-game" rules and "last-two-minute" rules. That's especially important because a play might be happening at 2:00 left, and the actual "two-minute" warning is at something like 1:56.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be opposed to eliminating the long commercial break associated with it, treating it more as a 30-second timeout.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 03, 2018, 12:46:22 PM
But if the league eliminates kickoffs, I might just start. Quit screwing with the rules of the game.
I kinda felt that way for awhile, but I'm a bit more open to changes nowadays. And I did find this video very interesting: https://youtu.be/t_SsIKgwvz4
It's a bunch of data crunching but shows some interesting conclusions regarding the relative pointlessness of a kickoff. Even if you're skeptical, give it watch. It's quite illuminating and well presented.
I definitely do not want to see the the rules screwed with *too* much, but I'm also interested in seeing the NFL get rid of *unnecessary* danger in a game that's already plenty dangerous. Players know that they signing up for knee injuries, broken bones, etc, and that's fine. But the head injuries certainly need reduced as much as possible.
I should had posted this one more earlier, but the Calgary Stampeders are the 2018 Grey Cup champions. ^^;
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl/cfl-grey-cup-stampeders-redblacks-recap-nov-25-1.4920123
Quote from: kwellada on December 10, 2018, 07:25:02 PM
I kinda felt that way for awhile, but I'm a bit more open to changes nowadays. And I did find this video very interesting: [link]
It's a bunch of data crunching but shows some interesting conclusions regarding the relative pointlessness of a kickoff. Even if you're skeptical, give it watch. It's quite illuminating and well presented.
I've seen that video, and strongly disagree with its argument. Kickoffs only seem pointless because the league has screwed with the rules (and TV timeouts) to make them that way.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2018, 12:02:12 AM
Quote from: kwellada on December 10, 2018, 07:25:02 PM
I kinda felt that way for awhile, but I'm a bit more open to changes nowadays. And I did find this video very interesting: [link]
It's a bunch of data crunching but shows some interesting conclusions regarding the relative pointlessness of a kickoff. Even if you're skeptical, give it watch. It's quite illuminating and well presented.
I've seen that video, and strongly disagree with its argument. Kickoffs only seem pointless because the league has screwed with the rules (and TV timeouts) to make them that way.
Fair enough! Glad you have at least given the video a viewing. But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore. That was exhausting. I find myself mostly just watching NFL redzone on weekends since they don't have any commercial breaks.
Quote from: kwellada on December 11, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this at least a handful of times this year.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: kwellada on December 11, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this at least a handful of times this year.
It's happening less because, with all the passing, you have very few of the 8+ minute scoring drives that caused the double timeout on kickoffs. There are more possession changes than there used to be.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 12, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: kwellada on December 11, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this at least a handful of times this year.
It's happening less because, with all the passing, you have very few of the 8+ minute scoring drives that caused the double timeout on kickoffs. There are more possession changes than there used to be.
Especially when Nathan Peterman was still in the league...
Quote from: kwellada on December 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 12, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: kwellada on December 11, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this at least a handful of times this year.
It's happening less because, with all the passing, you have very few of the 8+ minute scoring drives that caused the double timeout on kickoffs. There are more possession changes than there used to be.
Especially when Nathan Peterman was still in the league...
He's back :bigass:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 19, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: kwellada on December 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 12, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: kwellada on December 11, 2018, 10:24:19 AM
But hey, at least they no longer do the TV timeout after a score, kickoff, then another TV timeout anymore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this at least a handful of times this year.
It's happening less because, with all the passing, you have very few of the 8+ minute scoring drives that caused the double timeout on kickoffs. There are more possession changes than there used to be.
Especially when Nathan Peterman was still in the league...
He's back :bigass:
practice squad, just like when you practice being an adult :D
Oakland CBs about to become real ball hawks.
I've been very mad about the Patriot's performance on both sides of the ball lately. Hopefully they use the divisional games to knick out issues before the playoffs.
The only thing I enjoy more than a Bears division title is that the Packers will not be in the playoffs this year!
Quote from: Henry on December 20, 2018, 01:57:53 PM
The only thing I enjoy more than a Bears division title is that the Packers will not be in the playoffs this year!
And the fact we eliminated them completely while getting that division title :cool: :cool:
Hope duh Bears enjoy their one and done! 😁
Quote from: ET21 on December 20, 2018, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 20, 2018, 01:57:53 PM
The only thing I enjoy more than a Bears division title is that the Packers will not be in the playoffs this year!
And the fact we eliminated them completely while getting that division title :cool: :cool:
That too!
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 20, 2018, 08:29:42 PM
Hope duh Bears enjoy their one and done! 😁
As they get upset at home in the Wild Card Round vs the Vikings. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 21, 2018, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on December 20, 2018, 08:29:42 PM
Hope duh Bears enjoy their one and done! 😁
As they get upset at home in the Wild Card Round vs the Vikings. :thumbsup:
Who will lose to the Pats in the Super Bowl! :no:
Quote from: Henry on December 20, 2018, 01:57:53 PM
The only thing I enjoy more than a Bears division title is that the Packers will not be in the playoffs this year!
Thank goodness for that the era of Packers dominance may finally be over. It's about time for a new face in the NFC North.
Everything that could go right did go right for the Patriots. Jake Elliot is my savior.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 23, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
Everything that could be fixed by the league did go right for the Patriots. Roger Goodell is my savior.
Welp, the Falcons put my Panthers out of their misery. I guess that can of whoop ass Pittsburg opened on the Panthers a few weeks ago is hard to wash off. :ded:
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Everything that could be fixed by the league did go right for the Patriots. Roger Goodell is my savior.
:-D :-D :clap: :clap:
Quote from: LM117 on December 24, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
Welp, the Falcons put my Panthers out of their misery.
But at least the Titans, with followup from Philly, put the Redskins out of our misery.
While the Browns have been eliminated from the playoffs, if they can beat the Ravens next Sunday they'll have a winning season (8-7-1), first in a long time. That would underscore the dramatic improvement the Browns have made this season.
Still alive for the 1 seed. Need a Chiefs loss, Chargers loss, and a win. If they win they automatically get a bye
Quote from: oscar on December 24, 2018, 03:20:38 PM
While the Browns have been eliminated from the playoffs, if they can beat the Ravens next Sunday they'll have a winning season (8-7-1), first in a long time. That would underscore the dramatic improvement the Browns have made this season.
Yep, it would be the first winning season since 2007, when we went 10-6 but managed to miss the playoffs.
Currently it's the first 7 win season since 2014 and only the 5th 7+ win season since returning to the league.
Will be interesting to see who we go with for a head coach, but I've got to believe that Gregg Williams is this big frontrunner in the race based on his interemim record this year (5-2 so far.)
Quote from: Buck87 on December 24, 2018, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 24, 2018, 03:20:38 PM
While the Browns have been eliminated from the playoffs, if they can beat the Ravens next Sunday they'll have a winning season (8-7-1), first in a long time. That would underscore the dramatic improvement the Browns have made this season.
Yep, it would be the first winning season since 2007, when we went 10-6 but managed to miss the playoffs.
Currently it's the first 7 win season since 2014 and only the 5th 7+ win season since returning to the league.
Will be interesting to see who we go with for a head coach, but I've got to believe that Gregg Williams is this big frontrunner in the race based on his interemim record this year (5-2 so far.)
You guys got a bright future, especially as the Bengals flounder and the Steelers age. Baker is something special.
I've decided the Super Bowl matchup I want is Seattle Vs Indianapolis, the two teams everyone assumed would be rebuilding. Plus Andrew Luck vs Russell Wilson to see who the true king of that 2012 draft really is! We already know it is not RGIII or Kirk Cousins.
Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 12:21:15 PM
I've decided the Super Bowl matchup I want is Seattle Vs Indianapolis, the two teams everyone assumed would be rebuilding. Plus Andrew Luck vs Russell Wilson to see who the true king of that 2012 draft really is! We already know it is not RGIII or Kirk Cousins.
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 12:21:15 PM
I've decided the Super Bowl matchup I want is Seattle Vs Indianapolis, the two teams everyone assumed would be rebuilding. Plus Andrew Luck vs Russell Wilson to see who the true king of that 2012 draft really is! We already know it is not RGIII or Kirk Cousins.
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
:-D
That would definitely do the trick!
Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
:-D
That would definitely do the trick!
Truly a sign of the apocalypse. :ded:
The week 17 playoff scenarios are some of the craziest ever. The Ravens could be the 2 seed or out of the playoffs.
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Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
:-D
That would definitely do the trick!
Truly a sign of the apocalypse. :ded:
I thought that would be a sign if there'll be a Stanley Cup final featuring the Vancouver Canucks vs the Buffalo Sabres or the Cleveland Browns winning a Super Bowl championship. :rolleyes: :-D
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Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
:-D
That would definitely do the trick!
Truly a sign of the apocalypse. :ded:
I thought that would be a sign if there'll be a Stanley Cup final featuring the Vancouver Canucks vs the Buffalo Sabres or the Cleveland Browns winning a Super Bowl championship. :rolleyes: :-D
The Cubs won the World Series and look what happened in the election the next week.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 29, 2018, 11:39:58 PM
The week 17 playoff scenarios are some of the craziest ever. The Ravens could be the 2 seed or out of the playoffs.
indeed, here's the full list of each team's clinching scenarios
CURRENT AFC PLAYOFF FIELD1. x-Kansas City (11-4)
2. xy-New England (10-5)
3. x-Houston (10-5)
4. Baltimore (9-6)
5. x-Los Angeles (11-4)
6. Indianapolis (9-6)
AFC CLINCHING SCENARIOSChiefs (11-4): Kansas City will clinch the AFC West title, the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win. The Chiefs also will clinch the No. 1 seed with a tie combined with a Chargers loss/tie, or a Chargers loss combined with a Patriots loss/tie and a Texans loss/tie, or the following combination of results: Chargers loss, Patriots tie, Cardinals win, 49ers win, Browns loss, Redskins loss, Cowboys loss.
Chargers (11-4): Los Angeles will clinch the AFC West title, the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win combined with a Chiefs loss/tie, or a tie combined with a Chiefs loss. The Chargers can only be the No. 1 seed or the No. 5 seed.
Patriots (10-5): New England will clinch the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win combined with a Chiefs loss and Chargers loss. The Patriots will clinch a first-round bye with a win, or a tie combined with a Texans loss/tie, or a Texans loss combined with a Ravens loss/tie and Titans loss/tie. New England will clinch a top 3 seed with a win/tie, or a Ravens loss/tie, or a Texans loss combined with a Colts win, or a Texans loss combined with a Colts/Titans tie and at least four wins from the following teams: Chargers, Eagles, Giants, Bills, Raiders.
Texans (10-5): Most simply, Houston will clinch the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win combined with a Chiefs loss, Chargers loss and Patriots loss. There are a number of other scenarios in which Houston can be the No. 1 seed, all of them involving a win and losses by both the Chiefs and Chargers plus ties elsewhere. Houston will clinch at least the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a win combined with a Patriots loss/tie, or a tie combined with a Patriots loss, or a win combined with a Chargers loss, Chiefs loss and at least one win from the following teams: Cowboys, Redskins, Browns, Rams and Seahawks. The Texans will clinch a top 3 seed with a win/tie, or a Titans-Colts tie combined with a Ravens-Browns tie.
Baltimore (9-6): The Ravens will clinch the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a win combined with a Patriots loss, Texans loss and Titans win, or a win combined with a Patriots loss, Texans loss and Colts win, or a win combined with a Patriots loss, Texans loss, Titans-Colts tie and at least four wins from the following teams: Chargers, Eagles, Giants, Bills, Raiders. Baltimore will clinch a top 3 seed with a win combined with a Patriots loss, or a win combined with a Texans loss and Titans win, or a win combined with a Texans loss and Colts win, or a win combined with a Texans loss, Titans-Colts tie and at least four wins from the following teams: Chargers, Eagles, Giants, Bills, Raiders. The Ravens will clinch the AFC North title with a win, or a tie combined with a Steelers tie, or a Steelers loss. Baltimore will clinch a playoff berth with a win, or a tie combined with a Colts-Titans tie. The Ravens will be eliminated from playoff contention with a tie combined with a Steelers win and Colts win, or a tie combined with a Steelers win and Titans win, or a loss combined with a Steelers win/tie.
Indianapolis (9-6): The Colts will clinch a top 3 seed with a win combined with a Texans loss and Ravens loss/tie. Indianapolis will clinch the AFC South title with a win combined with a Texans loss. The Colts will clinch a playoff berth with a win. Indianapolis will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss, or a tie combined with a Steelers win and a Ravens win/tie.
Tennessee (9-6): The Titans will clinch the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a win combined with a Texans loss, Patriots loss and Ravens loss/tie. Tennessee will clinch a top 3 seed with a win combined with a Texans loss and Patriots loss, or a win combined with a Texans loss and a Ravens loss/tie. The Titans will clinch the AFC South title with a win combined with a Texans loss. Tennessee will clinch a playoff berth with a win. The Titans will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss/tie.
Pittsburgh (8-6-1): The Steelers will clinch the AFC North title and the No. 4 seed with a win combined with a Ravens loss/tie, or a tie combined with a Ravens loss. Pittsburgh will clinch a playoff berth with a win combined with a Colts-Titans tie. The Steelers will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss, or a tie combined with a Ravens win/tie, or a Ravens win combined with a Titans win, or a Ravens win combined with a Colts win.
ALREADY ELIMINATED FROM PLAYOFF CONTENTION: Browns (7-7-1), Dolphins (7-8), Broncos (6-9), Bengals (6-9), Bills (5-10), Jaguars (5-10), Jets (4-11), Raiders (4-11).
CURRENT NFC PLAYOFF FIELD1. xy-New Orleans (13-2)
2. xy-Los Angeles (12-3)
3. xy-Chicago (11-4)
4. xy-Dallas (9-6)
5. x-Seattle (9-6)
6. Minnesota (8-6-1)
NFC LOCKED INNew Orleans (13-2): The Saints have clinched the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.
Dallas (9-6): The Cowboys are locked in to the No. 4 seed.
NFC CLINCHING SCENARIOSLos Angeles (12-3): The Rams will clinch the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a win/tie or a Bears loss/tie. Otherwise, they will be the No. 3 seed.
Chicago (11-4): The Bears will clinch the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye with a win combined with a Rams loss. Otherwise, they will be the No. 3 seed.
Seattle (9-6): The Seahawks will clinch the No. 5 seed with a win/tie or a Vikings loss/tie. Otherwise, they will be the No. 6 seed.
Minnesota (8-6-1): The Vikings will clinch the No. 5 seed with a win combined with a Seahawks loss. Minnesota will clinch a playoff berth with a win/tie or an Eagles loss/tie. The Vikings will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss combined with an Eagles win.
Philadelphia (8-7): The Eagles will clinch the No. 6 seed with a win combined with a Vikings loss. Philadelphia will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss/tie or a Vikings win/tie.
ALREADY ELIMINATED FROM PLAYOFF CONTENTION: Redskins (7-8), Packers (6-8-1), Falcons (6-9), Panthers (6-9), Bucs (5-10), Giants (5-10), Lions (5-10), 49ers (4-11), Cardinals (3-12).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/26/nfl-week-playoff-scenarios-trying-sort-out-convoluted-afc-picture/?utm_term=.9e2c3f91ec7d
First round bye! Lets go!
Well, it's down to the point where a tie in the Colts/Titans game is the only remaining way for Pittsburgh to get into the playoffs. Otherwise, whoever wins that game is in.
Quote from: Buck87 on December 30, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
Well, it's down to the point where a tie in the Colts/Titans game is the only remaining way for Pittsburgh to get into the playoffs. Otherwise, whoever wins that game is in.
You a Steelers or Browns fan?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 30, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 30, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
Well, it's down to the point where a tie in the Colts/Titans game is the only remaining way for Pittsburgh to get into the playoffs. Otherwise, whoever wins that game is in.
You a Steelers or Browns fan?
Browns
Quote from: Buck87 on December 30, 2018, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 30, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 30, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
Well, it's down to the point where a tie in the Colts/Titans game is the only remaining way for Pittsburgh to get into the playoffs. Otherwise, whoever wins that game is in.
You a Steelers or Browns fan?
Browns
You guys will be so good next year. Can see you winning the division.
I predict a rematch of Super Bowl XLI with the opposite outcome.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 31, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
I predict a rematch of Super Bowl XLI with the opposite outcome.
Colts are the six seed but I see them making some noise, the Texans game should be good.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 31, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
I predict a rematch of Super Bowl XLI with the opposite outcome.
I most certainly hope not! I was in college during that game and my dorm had a healthy mix of people from Indy and Chicago that made it interesting. Anyway, while I think the Colts could beat the Texans I don't think we're heading to the Super Bowl...this year.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 31, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 31, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
I predict a rematch of Super Bowl XLI with the opposite outcome.
Colts are the six seed but I see them making some noise, the Texans game should be good.
I consider the Pats getting the 2 seed kind of a blessing to at least get to the AFC Championship, as long as the Texans beat the Colts. They match up well against the Texans, but the Chargers are right on par with the Chiefs and not playing them in the regular season being an X factor. And the Ravens always scare me in the playoffs after they waltzed into Foxboro in 2009 and won 33-14; and repeated the feat in the AFC Championship game in 2012, winning 28-13. If Billy Cundiff didn't shank a chip shot in 2011, we'd be talking about a possible third instance.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 31, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
I predict a rematch of Super Bowl XLI with the opposite outcome.
That would be cool but I doubt it will happen.
If you like football, bleacher reports gridiron heights is very funny.
Good night (and season) Texans and Seahawks! Texans just did not look good, and I'm not sure what happened to the Seahawks, but obviously that didn't work either.
Also, a replay of Allen Hurns' injury last night in the Seahawks @ Cowboys game: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1081726531775488000
Not good at all. X-(
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 28, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: kwellada on December 28, 2018, 12:21:15 PM
I've decided the Super Bowl matchup I want is Seattle Vs Indianapolis, the two teams everyone assumed would be rebuilding. Plus Andrew Luck vs Russell Wilson to see who the true king of that 2012 draft really is! We already know it is not RGIII or Kirk Cousins.
I want Patriots vs Cowboys just to piss everyone off.
Me too
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 06, 2019, 01:56:53 AM
Good night (and season) Texans and Seahawks! Texans just did not look good, and I'm not sure what happened to the Seahawks, but obviously that didn't work either.
Also, a replay of Allen Hurns' injury last night in the Seahawks @ Cowboys game: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1081726531775488000
Not good at all. X-(
Thankfully, Hurns is set to come back in August.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 06, 2019, 01:56:53 AMAlso, a replay of Allen Hurns' injury last night in the Seahawks @ Cowboys game: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1081726531775488000
Not good at all. X-(
Ouch! :wow:
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 06, 2019, 01:56:53 AM
Good night (and season) Texans and Seahawks! Texans just did not look good, and I'm not sure what happened to the Seahawks, but obviously that didn't work either.
All I know is if your run game is being shut down and you have a QB like Russell Wilson who can become magic in a big hurry, perhaps you don't wait till late in the 4th quarter to have him start dropping bombs. Their offense became dull as dishwater this season and kinda unwatchable, especially given the fact Wilson is one of the top 5 QBs in the league. Design an offense around his abilities, not 1997 Marty-Ball.
And today, we found out the Ravens suck. You know it's bad when you have <50 passing yards going into the fourth quarter.
should have started Flacco or at least put him in. Lamar is not ready for playoff football.
What an upset! Thought the Bears would have it at the end but they really need a new kicker IMO. Fly Eagles Fly...fly that W flag...have a feeling that there'll be a repeat of last season/year's Super Bowl.
RIP Bears fans. Any on this forum?
I can't stop grinning right now.
Welcome to the Vikings' world, Bears fans.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 06, 2019, 08:45:45 PM
RIP Bears fans. Any on this forum?
I was until that last play. Wasn't before this season, though. Eagles fan since I just about hit puberty about 15 years or so ago when they played the Patriots in the Super Bowl that was hosted here (to decide the winner of the 2004 season).
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 06, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
I can't stop grinning right now.
Welcome to the Vikings' world, Bears fans.
I was gonna say that myself! LOL
Surprised Cody Parkey survived the night, especially with this guy hunting him down :-o https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/ (https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/)
Quote from: ET21 on January 07, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
Surprised Cody Parkey survived the night, especially with this guy hunting him down :-o https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/ (https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/)
It's crazy how emotional people get when someone on their favorite team screws up. I have even heard of death threats.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 07, 2019, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 07, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
Surprised Cody Parkey survived the night, especially with this guy hunting him down :-o https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/ (https://www.facebook.com/barstoolsports/videos/905662192970103/)
It's crazy how emotional people get when someone on their favorite team screws up. I have even heard of death threats.
Yup, he did get death threats. He's quickly becoming Steve Bartman 2.0 in Chicago
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 06, 2019, 04:02:05 PM
should have started Flacco or at least put him in. Lamar is not ready for playoff football.
Or they should have had Lamar start passing the ball much sooner than he finally did. His fourth quarter shows he has the ability to be a great passer. It's tough to be a rookie QB in the playoffs, unless you're Russell Wilson in 2012. The Ravens absolutely need to spend this offseason developing Jackson's passing game, though.
Sometimes there isn't the right English words to express joy, so let us turn to one of the Romance Languages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYrQQ_9uMJQ
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
Sometimes there isn't the right English words to express joy, so let us turn to one of the Romance Languages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYrQQ_9uMJQ
Sad that Packers have fallen to the level of celebrated rivals failures. That used to be the job of CHI/DET/MIN.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 07, 2019, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
Sometimes there isn't the right English words to express joy, so let us turn to one of the Romance Languages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYrQQ_9uMJQ
Sad that Packers have fallen to the level of celebrated rivals failures. That used to be the job of CHI/DET/MIN.
Packer fans are still in denial that the NFC North is being taken over by either MIN or CHI for the next few years
Oh there's no denial over here. I see the writing on the wall. More work is needed in Green Bay than can be accomplished in one off season.
As the child of two native Milwaukeeans, disdain for all Chicago sports teams is in my DNA.
Quote from: ET21 on January 07, 2019, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 07, 2019, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
Sometimes there isn't the right English words to express joy, so let us turn to one of the Romance Languages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYrQQ_9uMJQ
Sad that Packers have fallen to the level of celebrated rivals failures. That used to be the job of CHI/DET/MIN.
Packer fans are still in denial that the NFC North is being taken over by either MIN or CHI for the next few years
All Packer fans do is deny if the Bears won the super bowl they would call it a fluke.
The Packers hired Titans OC Matt LaFleur as head coach.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
Oh there's no denial over here. I see the writing on the wall. More work is needed in Green Bay than can be accomplished in one off season.
As the child of two native Milwaukeeans, disdain for all Chicago sports teams is in my DNA.
Seconded.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 07, 2019, 08:44:48 PM
All Packer fans do is deny if the Bears won the super bowl they would call it a fluke.
And that's the last you'll hear from dvferyance as a Wisconsin resident. Wisconsin State Troopers are en-route to his location to escort him to the state line. Surely some State Statute has been broken. :bigass:
For crying out loud, even
A Christmas Story makes fun of the Bears.
Alabama just got throttled by Clemson in the National Title Game
I especially like the way Clemson moved the ball 95 yards on the ground on the final drive, without scoring a TD, to runout the final 10:02 of the 4th
Quote from: DaBigE on January 07, 2019, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
Oh there's no denial over here. I see the writing on the wall. More work is needed in Green Bay than can be accomplished in one off season.
As the child of two native Milwaukeeans, disdain for all Chicago sports teams is in my DNA.
Seconded.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 07, 2019, 08:44:48 PM
All Packer fans do is deny if the Bears won the super bowl they would call it a fluke.
And that's the last you'll hear from dvferyance as a Wisconsin resident. Wisconsin State Troopers are en-route to his location to escort him to the state line. Surely some State Statute has been broken. :bigass:
For crying out loud, even A Christmas Story makes fun of the Bears.
I am not the only non Packer fan that lives here. I know others who support other teams. As I said before where I live in the state is closer to Chicago than Green Bay. NW Indiana supports the Bears over the Colts and the UP supports the Packers over the Lions so don't tell me state lines are always the boundaries of fan bases.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 07, 2019, 11:50:02 PM
Alabama just got throttled by Clemson in the National Title Game
I especially like the way Clemson moved the ball 95 yards on the ground on the final drive, without scoring a TD, to runout the final 10:02 of the 4th
Fire Nick Saban.
Two guys from Michigan die and wake up in hell. The next day, the devil stops to check on them and sees them dressed in parkas, mittens and bomber hats, warming themselves around the fire. The devil asks them, "What are you doing? Isn't it hot enough for you?"
The two guys reply, "Well, you know, we're from Michigan, the land of ice and snow and cold. We're just happy for a chance to warm up a bit, you know."
The devil decides that these two aren't miserable enough and turns up the heat. The next morning, he stops by again and there they are, still dressed in their parkas, mittens and hats. The devil asks them again, "It's awfully hot down here, can't you guys feel that?"
Again, the guys reply, "Well, like we told you yesterday, we're from Michigan, the land of ice and snow and cold. We're just happy to warm up a little bit, you know."
The devil gets a little steamed up and he decides to fix the two guys. He cranks the heat up as high as it will go. The people are wailing and screaming everywhere. He stops by the room with the two guys from Michigan and finds them in light jackets and hats, grilling sausage and drinking beer. The devil is astonished. "Everyone down here is in abject misery, and you seem to be enjoying yourselves."
The two Michiganders reply, "Well, ya know, we don't get too much warm weather up there in Michigan, we've just got to have a cookout when the weather is this nice."
The devil is absolutely furious, he can hardly see straight. Finally, he comes up with an answer. These two love the heat because they have been cold all their lives. He decides to turn all the heat in hell off.
The next morning, the temperature is below zero, icicles are hanging everywhere, the people are shivering so bad, they are unable to wail, moan or gnash their teeth. The devil smiles and heads for the room with the 2 Michiganders. He finds them back in their parkas, mittens and hats. They are jumping up and down and cheering. The devil was dumbfounded. "I don't understand. When I turn the heat up, you're happy. Now it's freezing cold, and you're happy. What is wrong with you two?"
The Michiganders look at the devil in surprise. "Well, don't ya know - if hell froze over, that must mean. The Lions won the Super Bowl!"
Feel free to copy & Paste (I did)
all right, time for some Wild Guesses (tm) predictions for the games
Colts vs Chiefs
I have this feeling the Colts are going to upset the Chiefs, just because Andy Reid and KC are eternally cursed and are facing a QB who is literally named Luck.
Cowboys vs Rams
Another road upset! I suspect the Rams will falter against a solid defense AND I think Jared Goff ain't all that.
Chargers vs Patriots
oh why even pretend San Diego, er, Los Angeles, er...the Vagabond Chargers have a chance. We all have seen this movie before.
Eagles vs Saint
I'd like to say Nick Foles will be magic yet again, but I actually think the Saints are the best team in the NFL and will prove it.
Nice to see the New Orleans Buckeyes moving on
Both title games are 1 seed vs. 2 seed
Quote from: Buck87 on January 13, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
Nice to see the New Orleans Buckeyes moving on
Both title games are 1 seed vs. 2 seed
The way NOLA played today may not really translate well in next weekend's conference championship game against the LA Rams. Scoring 20 points isn't really going to cut it unless the Rams score less or a little more than that.
Feeling great now. Patriots put on a great performance against a pretty damn good team.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
Feeling great now. Patriots put on a great performance against a pretty damn good team.
And all the Commentators could talk about was how great the Chiefs are.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 13, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
Feeling great now. Patriots put on a great performance against a pretty damn good team.
And all the Commentators could talk about was how great the Chiefs are.
I have some faith in that game, but the Patriots have been trash on the road so who knows.
Go Saints
Does anyone think that Kyler Murray will play football?
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Same. I would've been happy if the Chargers went to the AFC title game instead of the Pats because I would've been fine with all four Super Bowl matchups. Now I'm only happy with that one because I don't want another one with the Patriots and a second Chiefs-Rams matchup won't top the first one.
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Shouldn't you hate the Saints more?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2019, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Shouldn't you hate the Saints more?
Aww, do you find it upsetting that anyone with good sense hates the Patriots?
Who in the world other than roadgeekteen would want to see a 9th Tom Brady super bowl?
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
Who in the world other than roadgeekteen would want to see a 9th Tom Brady super bowl?
I
don't. I figure that the more the Patriots win, the more they'll be hated by the rest of the country. If they lose, they'll be hated a bit less.
I'm still a Red Sox fan.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2019, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Shouldn't you hate the Saints more?
Eh, whatever. I'm just glad the Bears and the Cowboys aren't in it. And there's also the Rams if LM117 doesn't want the Saints in the Super Bowl anyway.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 14, 2019, 10:09:47 PM
Aww, do you find it upsetting that anyone with good sense hates the Patriots?
Yeah, nobody likes your team, roadgeekteen. Only bandwagon fans and people from New England do.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 14, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 14, 2019, 10:09:47 PM
Aww, do you find it upsetting that anyone with good sense hates the Patriots?
Yeah, nobody likes your team, roadgeekteen. Only bandwagon fans and people from New England do.
And me too, mainly out of long-standing admiration for Bill Belichick's evil genius. But I also like the other three teams still in contention (especially the Saints, as much of a pain as they've been to my Panthers), and would not be upset if one of them knocks off the Patriots this year.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2019, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Shouldn't you hate the Saints more?
Nah, it was Pittsburgh that beat the season out of us. We were trash after that game.
Though I still haven't forgotten Super Bowl 38... :evilgrin:
Quote from: LM117 on January 15, 2019, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2019, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: LM117 on January 14, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 14, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
I think we're gonna have a Chiefs / Saints super bowl in a couple of weeks
That's the game I'm hoping for, but as long as the Pats ain't in it, I'm happy.
Right now, I'm just glad NBC isn't carrying the game this year. Listening to Cris Collinsworth root for the Pats during the last Super Bowl made me want to smash my TV.
Shouldn't you hate the Saints more?
Nah, it was Pittsburgh that beat the season out of us. We were trash after that game.
Though I still haven't forgotten Super Bowl 38... :evilgrin:
Yeah that was weird. Honestly I feel like the Pats' championship runs should've stopped after Super Bowl XLII. It seemed like a good ending to the Evil Empire. Too bad it kept going after that :-/
The ungodly resiliency of the Pats is something we will likely never see again.
I remember somehow still watching an early-season 2006 matchup between the Pats and the Cincinnati Bengals, which was billed as a changing of the guard matchup. The Pats romped and the Bengals were quickly proven irrelevant going forward. Much like today.
2002, year after the first title. Pats miss playoffs on final day. Win next two SBs.
2014, twelve years later, same two guys have weathered years of near-misses. Trolled by the Giants twice. Embarrassing home losses to Ravens (twice) and Jets in playoffs. Peyton Manning has overcome the early career playoff hex the Pats had on him (and would beat them one more time in 2015). And despite all of this, they remain after the others have come and gone as they win a miracle finish at the 1-yard line, and two years later the 25-point overtime comeback.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 16, 2019, 04:41:37 AM
The ungodly resiliency of the Pats is something we will likely never see again.
I remember somehow still watching an early-season 2006 matchup between the Pats and the Cincinnati Bengals, which was billed as a changing of the guard matchup. The Pats romped and the Bengals were quickly proven irrelevant going forward. Much like today.
2002, year after the first title. Pats miss playoffs on final day. Win next two SBs.
2014, twelve years later, same two guys have weathered years of near-misses. Trolled by the Giants twice. Embarrassing home losses to Ravens (twice) and Jets in playoffs. Pwyton Manning has overcome the early career playoff hex the Pats had on him (and would beat them one more time in 2015). And despite all of this, they remain after the others have come and gone as they win a miracle finish at the 1-yard line, and two years later the 25-point overtime comeback.
And even now, the Pats managed to get a bye even with embarrassing losses. I never want to get off this ride.
You will be off the ride once Goodell retires to Kraft Estates.
Quote from: Alps on January 16, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
You will be off the ride once Goodell retires to Kraft Estates.
That will happen with the next few years, Brady is sort of showing his age.
(the following is all sarcasm btw)
The so-called GOAT hasn't won a road playoff game since 2006 (and he's 3-4 in away playoff games, a losing record which is under .500 and bad). Mark "butt fumble" Sanchez has more road playoff wins!
He's also the only active quarterback with multiple Super Bowl losses (3). One more and he ties Jim Kelly's all time record.
Also, this 11-5 season indicates a decline in performance as it brought down his career win percentage (so would a 12-4 season... he's currently at .775)
Also, the season he missed entirely due to an injury, Matt Cassel filled in and brought the team to 11-5 anyway, which makes you wonder what value Brady adds.
Being from NE, I should be a homer but I still have to admit he's just not that good.
Brady is an all-time great QB, but Belichick is the one guy most responsible for the Patriots' amazing run. Over the past 17 years, they win far more games without Brady than without Bill.
It also helps that their three division rivals have all been extremely poorly managed throughout that time.
Mahomes may never be as great as Brady in his prime, but he's better than Brady is right now.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 16, 2019, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 16, 2019, 04:41:37 AM
The ungodly resiliency of the Pats is something we will likely never see again.
I remember somehow still watching an early-season 2006 matchup between the Pats and the Cincinnati Bengals, which was billed as a changing of the guard matchup. The Pats romped and the Bengals were quickly proven irrelevant going forward. Much like today.
2002, year after the first title. Pats miss playoffs on final day. Win next two SBs.
2014, twelve years later, same two guys have weathered years of near-misses. Trolled by the Giants twice. Embarrassing home losses to Ravens (twice) and Jets in playoffs. Pwyton Manning has overcome the early career playoff hex the Pats had on him (and would beat them one more time in 2015). And despite all of this, they remain after the others have come and gone as they win a miracle finish at the 1-yard line, and two years later the 25-point overtime comeback.
And even now, the Pats managed to get a bye even with embarrassing losses. I never want to get off this ride.
You Pats fans have been lucky since 2001. It's gotta end sometime soon. When Belichick and Brady retire you're gonna realize how much you'll miss them.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 16, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 16, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
You will be off the ride once Goodell retires to Kraft Estates.
That will happen with the next few years, Brady is sort of showing his age.
I thought that was the case until last Sunday so I am not so sure anymore.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 14, 2019, 10:09:47 PM
Aww, do you find it upsetting that anyone with good sense hates the Patriots?
As a Massachusetts resident, there is a pressure to be a Pats fan, but
give the other teams a f-ing chance (like the Eagles last year,
"fly eagles fly")
WHO DAT!!!!!! :bigass: :clap:
Depending on this weekend's outcome:
Pats/Saints: Worst case for Atlanta, because either Pats win (DAE 28-3) or the Saints win, and somehow each one is worse than the other. But Brady/Brees could be a nice matchup
Chiefs/Saints: I-49 bowl!
Pats/Rams: that's how this whole thing got started in 2001
Chiefs/Rams: if the Rams were still in STL, this would be an I-70 Bowl to match the I-70 series from many years ago.
I'm hoping for Chiefs/Saints.
Vikings fans are supposed to have this undying anger toward New Orleans still, but I don't and never really did (you don't turn the ball over five times in a game and expect to win). Plus they're a top-3 NFL city with KC being one of the others, who could argue with that?
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
Depending on this weekend's outcome:
Pats/Saints: Worst case for Atlanta, because either Pats win (DAE 28-3) or the Saints win, and somehow each one is worse than the other. But Brady/Brees could be a nice matchup
Chiefs/Saints: I-49 bowl!
Pats/Rams: that's how this whole thing got started in 2001
Chiefs/Rams: if the Rams were still in STL, this would be an I-70 Bowl to match the I-70 series from many years ago.
The gap in I-49 can represent the Chiefs defense.
I love the idea of Chiefs/Rams just to see how riled up Missouri gets.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 19, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
Depending on this weekend's outcome:
Pats/Saints: Worst case for Atlanta, because either Pats win (DAE 28-3) or the Saints win, and somehow each one is worse than the other. But Brady/Brees could be a nice matchup
Chiefs/Saints: I-49 bowl!
Pats/Rams: that's how this whole thing got started in 2001
Chiefs/Rams: if the Rams were still in STL, this would be an I-70 Bowl to match the I-70 series from many years ago.
The gap in I-49 can represent the Chiefs defense.
I-49 ends in Lafayette LA but I guess you can say that is close enough.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 19, 2019, 08:37:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 19, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
Depending on this weekend's outcome:
Pats/Saints: Worst case for Atlanta, because either Pats win (DAE 28-3) or the Saints win, and somehow each one is worse than the other. But Brady/Brees could be a nice matchup
Chiefs/Saints: I-49 bowl!
Pats/Rams: that's how this whole thing got started in 2001
Chiefs/Rams: if the Rams were still in STL, this would be an I-70 Bowl to match the I-70 series from many years ago.
The gap in I-49 can represent the Chiefs defense.
I-49 ends in Lafayette LA but I guess you can say that is close enough.
The gaps in the middle including in Arkansas.
What will the temperature be in Kansas City for the game?
^^ about 20 degrees F
Saints crowd is so loud right now. I wish fans in Gillette got this crazy.
That no call on what was clearly pass interference on the Saints last drive of regulation is going to be talked about for a long time
Quote from: Buck87 on January 20, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
That no call on what was clearly pass interference on the Saints last drive of regulation is going to be talked about for a long time
That was bullshit. Saints got robbed. The Rams should be thanking the refs.
Congratulations to the LA refs for their super bowl appearance.
Before that though the playcalling on that sequence following the Ginn catch was absolutely atrocious. The Saints deserve plenty of blame for putting themselves in a position for the refs to decide, or not decide the game for them.
Karma for the 2009 NFCCG is a bitch.
Wow! Both conference championship games go to OT, with the 2nd seeds beating both 1st seeds.
I was disappointed the Saints got robbed lost, even though both my Panthers and the Falcons officially celebrated the Rams victory over their division rival (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001012036/article/atlanta-falcons-twitter-celebrates-saints-loss-to-rams). The Saints are a fun team to lose to (something the Panthers have too much experience with), especially with backup QB Taysom Hill keeping things interesting with his trick plays.
Now I'll get to go to my third straight Super Bowl party where most everybody will be rooting against the Patriots except me.
Yay
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Why do we even bother having an AFC playoff?
I'm sorry the Saints got screwed on that call by the refs but we need another New England Super Bowl the way we need another I-238 or more Clearview.
I agree. I have a bunch of shit to say about the Patriots but I don't even think I can care at this point. They don't need another Super Bowl, but here they are. It was the same thing last year, and the year before. I'm just hoping Tom Brady retires after winning the big one. Or if they lose, he'll retire anyway. He's played for long enough already.
I'm pretty upset about the refs giving the Rams the game too. That was a pretty bad play call. Unfortunately I don't have an eye for bad play calls when I see them, but I heard about what happened after the game. That was just stupid. Honestly I think the Saints should've won it, but this is the NFL, we can't have clean games anymore. Officiating has gotten so bad lately, something drastic needs to be done or else the NFL will lose more fans. I can see this bringing people to the XFL in 2020.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 20, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Karma for the 2009 NFCCG is a bitch.
That happened last year in the 2017 NFC divisional.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 20, 2019, 11:03:41 PM
Yay
Roadgeekteen, I hope you're happy. Tom Brady has been winning Super Bowls since before you were born, and now he's making another one. You Pats fans are extremely spoiled.
This super bowl is tainted. Neither participant deserves to be there after those atrociously officiated games. Apparently, the ground is an eligible receive for the goddamn Patriots. I've never seen so many "catches" hit the turf.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 21, 2019, 01:36:02 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 20, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Karma for the 2009 NFCCG is a bitch.
That happened last year in the 2017 NFC divisional.
No. That was a close game, pulled out by the skill of the players and a miracle mistake. Last night is a clear example of being screwed by the refs, which is what happened several times during the game back in 2009.
Now we are even.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 21, 2019, 09:13:37 AM
This super bowl is tainted. Neither participant deserves to be there after those atrociously officiated games. Apparently, the ground is an eligible receive for the goddamn Patriots. I've never seen so many "catches" hit the turf.
Both sides had some bad calls against them in the Chiefs game. The pick play was pretty bad.
So I've seen a couple guys on ESPN this morning imply that, instead of throwing the ball, all the Saints had to do was run the ball 3 times to run the clock down and then kick the game winning FG.
Um, no, it's not that simple. There are these things called timeouts, and LA had 2 of them.
There was 1:58 left, so if the Saints wanted to kick a game winning FG as time expired they needed to get a first down.
If they do the 3 predictable runs up the middle and kick the FG on 4th down, there would have been somewhere around 1:00-1:05 left on the clock for the Rams to try to get into FG range themselves.
Also worth mentioning, had the PI been called, and New Orleans not scored a TD, they would have been kicking that go ahead FG with around 20 seconds left, not the "4 seconds" I've heard mentioned a few times by guys on TV
So who to root for? Brady going for MJ status and a sixth ring, or LA who didn't realize they had a team until last year :awesomeface: :awesomeface:
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
So I've seen a couple guys on ESPN this morning imply that, instead of throwing the ball, all the Saints had to do was run the ball 3 times to run the clock down and then kick the game winning FG.
Um, no, it's not that simple. There are these things called timeouts, and LA had 2 of them.
There was 1:58 left, so if the Saints wanted to kick a game winning FG as time expired they needed to get a first down.
If they do the 3 predictable runs up the middle and kick the FG on 4th down, there would have been somewhere around 1:00-1:05 left on the clock for the Rams to try to get into FG range themselves.
Also worth mentioning, had the PI been called, and New Orleans not scored a TD, they would have been kicking that go ahead FG with around 20 seconds left, not the "4 seconds" I've heard mentioned a few times by guys on TV
But 1:05 and no timeouts leaves a lot less margin for error than 1:43 and one timeout. I don't think that's insignificant, even if still a good chunk of time. I've seen teams get in range with as little as 20-25 seconds to work with.
Even knowing it's coming the Rams' defense biggest weakness has been running between the tackles, as well.
I am told that the NFL is going to rename the Super Bowl to the "Tom Brady Invitational".
I for one will not be watching the Super (toilet)Bowl this year. Not just because my Saints were robbed, I don't care for either team in the game. This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever. I don't think there is a conspiracy behind the suck-ass calls (and lack of calls), but I hope Godell is very proud of the Super Bowl that has been created by his refs.
WHO DAT DAMMIT!!! Saints for SB LIV.
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
The Rams have about 10 fans. Two of them were refs in the NFC Championship game yesterday. :-D :-D :sombrero:
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
Fueling the farce that LA is a good football town. :paranoid:
I've held the belief that the Chiefs/Rams game wasn't moved from Mexico City solely due to the bad field; with how they spent 20 years pushing the return of LA as essential for the sport, like Hell were they letting a game between two 9-1 teams be played outside of LA.
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
I don't think there is a conspiracy behind the suck-ass calls (and lack of calls), but I hope Godell is very proud of the Super Bowl that has been created by his refs.
Irony that this is Super Bowl LIII (pronounced LIE)?
Yes, I realize that also works for the last two Super Bowls. This year just seems a bit more appropriate.
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Doubtful, because there's lots of people who want to see the Patriots win, and lot more who probably want to see them lose. Even a "low rated" Superbowl is still winds up one of the top 2-3 TV events in the US every year. Sure, there's millions of folks and sports fans who tune in every year regardless of who plays...it would have been fun to watch a Chiefs - Saints matchup, but it would likely have had even less viewers, as they represent smaller media markets. I'm not suggesting a "fix", but I think that having a plausible underdog and a bit of a villain always makes for good TV.
The Super Bowl held in 2002, which also featured the same two teams, didn't rank up there with ratings; yet it was a good game right up to the last seconds. Apparently, the team from New England went on to pretty good things in the future.
After that, how much sympathy should I have for a bunch of brands that feel the urge to toss away $5-10 million on advertisements?
Quote from: formulanone on January 22, 2019, 06:22:16 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Doubtful, because there's lots of people who want to see the Patriots win, and lot more who probably want to see them lose. Even a "low rated" Superbowl is still winds up one of the top 2-3 TV events in the US every year. Sure, there's millions of folks and sports fans who tune in every year regardless of who plays...it would have been fun to watch a Chiefs - Saints matchup, but it would likely have had even less viewers, as they represent smaller media markets. I'm not suggesting a "fix", but I think that having a plausible underdog and a bit of a villain always makes for good TV.
It will help also that we'll have Tony Romo as an announcer, and not Cris Collinsworth. Big improvement.
Quote from: oscar on January 22, 2019, 07:34:27 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 22, 2019, 06:22:16 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Doubtful, because there's lots of people who want to see the Patriots win, and lot more who probably want to see them lose. Even a "low rated" Superbowl is still winds up one of the top 2-3 TV events in the US every year. Sure, there's millions of folks and sports fans who tune in every year regardless of who plays...it would have been fun to watch a Chiefs - Saints matchup, but it would likely have had even less viewers, as they represent smaller media markets. I'm not suggesting a "fix", but I think that having a plausible underdog and a bit of a villain always makes for good TV.
It will help also that we'll have Tony Romo as an announcer, and not Cris Collinsworth. Big improvement.
I love Romo! I like the way he says "oh, oh, oh I don't know Jim"
Quote from: oscar on January 22, 2019, 07:34:27 AM
It will help also that we'll have Tony Romo as an announcer, and not Cris Collinsworth. Big improvement.
No argument there. Only Gary Danielson is more grating.
Romo is awesome. That guy was born to be a commentator. Collinsworth can go play in traffic for all I care. As much as I think this Super Bowl sucks, it would've been flat-out unbearable if Collinsworth was there playing cheerleader for the Pats the way he did last year.
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
I've seen a few comments elsewhere that believes Goodell wanted an LA team in the Super Bowl for that very reason, hence the New Orleans Screwjob (throwback term for Montreal Screwjob for wrestling fans).
Quote from: formulanone on January 22, 2019, 06:22:16 AMI'm not suggesting a "fix", but I think that having a plausible underdog and a bit of a villain always makes for good TV.
Kinda hard to make good TV when both teams come off as villains. The Pats are almost universally hated and there are many (including myself) who believe the Rams wouldn't even be in the Super Bowl if it wasn't for the refs doing the birdbox challenge. I don't hate the Rams themselves for it, but I'm sure some view them as guilty by association.
Quote from: LM117 on January 22, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
I've seen a few comments elsewhere that believes Goodell wanted an LA team in the Super Bowl for that very reason, hence the New Orleans Screwjob (throwback term for Montreal Screwjob for wrestling fans).
I don't believe that. There were a few missed calls on the Rams as well.
Let's hope that fate smiles on the Rams the same way it did on the Eagles last year. And I'm citing some history for my pick, as I used to live in L.A. (1988-2000, with the first four years being split between there and Chicago), and my favorite team absolutely destroyed the Patriots when I was a sophomore in high school (46-10 in Super Bowl XX).
US Midwest and South, Oct. 2018: "Oh, great, LA and Boston 'World' Series. Yay for big coastal TV markets. At least there's the NFL..."
US Midwest and South, Jan. 2019: "What the f-"
Quote from: kurumi on January 22, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
US Midwest and South, Oct. 2018: "Oh, great, LA and Boston 'World' Series. Yay for big coastal TV markets. At least there's the NFL..."
US Midwest and South, Jan. 2019: "What the f-"
Exactly my thoughts. At least there's the NHL...
Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 22, 2019, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: kurumi on January 22, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
US Midwest and South, Oct. 2018: "Oh, great, LA and Boston 'World' Series. Yay for big coastal TV markets. At least there's the NFL..."
US Midwest and South, Jan. 2019: "What the f-"
Exactly my thoughts. At least there's the NHL...
Go Bruins and Kings
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 22, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 22, 2019, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: kurumi on January 22, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
US Midwest and South, Oct. 2018: "Oh, great, LA and Boston 'World' Series. Yay for big coastal TV markets. At least there's the NFL..."
US Midwest and South, Jan. 2019: "What the f-"
Exactly my thoughts. At least there's the NHL...
Go Bruins and Kings
Kings in last place, may wanna ride the Boston train rest of the year
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
I am told that the NFL is going to rename the Super Bowl to the "Tom Brady Invitational".
I for one will not be watching the Super (toilet)Bowl this year. Not just because my Saints were robbed, I don't care for either team in the game. This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever. I don't think there is a conspiracy behind the suck-ass calls (and lack of calls), but I hope Godell is very proud of the Super Bowl that has been created by his refs.
WHO DAT DAMMIT!!! Saints for SB LIV.
I agree I probably won't watch it either this is about the crappiest match up we could have gotten my 2 most hated teams. Cheating Brady vs lying Kroenke. I expect record low rating this year. There is one way I don't have to see another Brady super bowl simply don't watch it.
Quote from: LM117 on January 22, 2019, 10:01:00 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 22, 2019, 06:22:16 AMI'm not suggesting a "fix", but I think that having a plausible underdog and a bit of a villain always makes for good TV.
Kinda hard to make good TV when both teams come off as villains. The Pats are almost universally hated and there are many (including myself) who believe the Rams wouldn't even be in the Super Bowl if it wasn't for the refs doing the birdbox challenge. I don't hate the Rams themselves for it, but I'm sure some view them as guilty by association.
Well, the tuck rule gave us the Patriots winning their first Super Bowl and the one that started their dynasty, so maybe this will give the Rams a dynasty as well. Not to say that's a good thing, but the domino effect could make it happen.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 22, 2019, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: kurumi on January 22, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
US Midwest and South, Oct. 2018: "Oh, great, LA and Boston 'World' Series. Yay for big coastal TV markets. At least there's the NFL..."
US Midwest and South, Jan. 2019: "What the f-"
Exactly my thoughts. At least there's the NHL...
I think the Lightning are gonna win it this year. I haven't followed much hockey lately, but they seem to be doing very well and they currently have the most points in the league.
Speaking of Boston-LA championships, I'm also hoping for a Celtics-Lakers NBA final in 2020. Not this year, because I'm hoping it's the Bucks' turn to shine. Just anyone but the Warriors this year.
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between this year's Super Bowl and the one in 2001. The Rams becoming a great team shortly after making the move to another city, them wearing their old jerseys, and them facing the Patriots again in the Super Bowl. Only this time it's in reverse. Back in 2001, the Rams were a juggernaut team looking to repeat its Super Bowl victory two years earlier. This time, it's the Patriots who are looking to repeat their past Super Bowl victories, and continue their dynasty by adding a 6th Lombardi trophy to their collection.
The Rams' offense is outstanding: one of the best in the league. Brady and Belichick's Patriots will play against a rehash of the Greatest Show on Turf. Jared Goff is the new Kurt Warner, and Todd Gurley is the new Marshall Faulk.
The Patriots have come full circle. Maybe Greg Zuerlein can make a last-second field goal to win it for the Rams just like Adam Vinatieri did for the Pats in 2001, but who knows? A Super Bowl loss for the Rams meant the end of greatness for them, but only time will tell if this year's Super Bowl will be the end for the Patriots.
I actually watched (and enjoyed) the Kansas City game!
Quote from: LM117 on January 22, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Quote from: oscar on January 21, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 21, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
This could be the lowest rated Super Bowl in viewership ever.
Maybe. But whether by coincidence or not, it could boost viewership and overall NFL popularity in the huge Los Angeles television market, which has all of a sudden gone from no pro football to a Super Bowl team and another one (the Chargers) that also made the playoffs.
I've seen a few comments elsewhere that believes Goodell wanted an LA team in the Super Bowl for that very reason, hence the New Orleans Screwjob (throwback term for Montreal Screwjob for wrestling fans).
I had mentioned during the game to someone I was watching with that I kind of wondered if the league had an interest in setting up an east coast/west coast game.
The TV we were watching it on had no audio (it was at work) so the guy I was watching with was doing a hilarious overly-supplicant butler routine every time the refs were shown on screen where he was going "Oh, Lord Belichick, how may I serve you today? You say you'd like a ten yard penalty against the Chiefs? Certainly, my Lord Belichick..." At one point, they called a penalty against the Patriots and he was like "Wow, I wonder how that one got through?" and I replied "Guess the check hasn't cleared yet." Next play, there was a call against the Chiefs, and I said "Ah, the check just cleared."
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between this year's Super Bowl and the one in 2001. The Rams becoming a great team shortly after making the move to another city, them wearing their old jerseys, and them facing the Patriots again in the Super Bowl. Only this time it's in reverse. Back in 2001, the Rams were a juggernaut team looking to repeat its Super Bowl victory two years earlier. This time, it's the Patriots who are looking to repeat their past Super Bowl victories, and continue their dynasty by adding a 6th Lombardi trophy to their collection.
The Rams' offense is outstanding: one of the best in the league. Brady and Belichick's Patriots will play against a rehash of the Greatest Show on Turf. Jared Goff is the new Kurt Warner, and Todd Gurley is the new Marshall Faulk.
The Patriots have come full circle. Maybe Greg Zuerlein can make a last-second field goal to win it for the Rams just like Adam Vinatieri did for the Pats in 2001, but who knows? A Super Bowl loss for the Rams meant the end of greatness for them, but only time will tell if this year's Super Bowl will be the end for the Patriots.
Another comparison is that both the 2001 Patriots and the 2018 Rams won a playoff game on a controversial call.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 23, 2019, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between this year's Super Bowl and the one in 2001. The Rams becoming a great team shortly after making the move to another city, them wearing their old jerseys, and them facing the Patriots again in the Super Bowl. Only this time it's in reverse. Back in 2001, the Rams were a juggernaut team looking to repeat its Super Bowl victory two years earlier. This time, it's the Patriots who are looking to repeat their past Super Bowl victories, and continue their dynasty by adding a 6th Lombardi trophy to their collection.
The Rams' offense is outstanding: one of the best in the league. Brady and Belichick's Patriots will play against a rehash of the Greatest Show on Turf. Jared Goff is the new Kurt Warner, and Todd Gurley is the new Marshall Faulk.
The Patriots have come full circle. Maybe Greg Zuerlein can make a last-second field goal to win it for the Rams just like Adam Vinatieri did for the Pats in 2001, but who knows? A Super Bowl loss for the Rams meant the end of greatness for them, but only time will tell if this year's Super Bowl will be the end for the Patriots.
Another comparison is that both the 2001 Patriots and the 2018 Rams won a playoff game on a controversial call.
This call wasn't controversial. Opinion is pretty much unanimous that the wrong call was made.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 23, 2019, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between this year's Super Bowl and the one in 2001. The Rams becoming a great team shortly after making the move to another city, them wearing their old jerseys, and them facing the Patriots again in the Super Bowl. Only this time it's in reverse. Back in 2001, the Rams were a juggernaut team looking to repeat its Super Bowl victory two years earlier. This time, it's the Patriots who are looking to repeat their past Super Bowl victories, and continue their dynasty by adding a 6th Lombardi trophy to their collection.
The Rams' offense is outstanding: one of the best in the league. Brady and Belichick's Patriots will play against a rehash of the Greatest Show on Turf. Jared Goff is the new Kurt Warner, and Todd Gurley is the new Marshall Faulk.
The Patriots have come full circle. Maybe Greg Zuerlein can make a last-second field goal to win it for the Rams just like Adam Vinatieri did for the Pats in 2001, but who knows? A Super Bowl loss for the Rams meant the end of greatness for them, but only time will tell if this year's Super Bowl will be the end for the Patriots.
Another comparison is that both the 2001 Patriots and the 2018 Rams won a playoff game on a controversial call.
The 2001 call was not controversial so much as the rule behind the call being very poorly written.
Some interesting things people have come up with since Sunday:
https://goo.gl/images/91RSzW
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/officials-call-for-a-saints-parade-for-the-krewe-of-drew/289-f29168f9-6dff-49a4-82c7-16faf089bd7b
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/louisiana-governor-pens-letter-to-nfl-after-new-orleans-saints-loss/289-1144573f-7071-47c6-b591-e4d46cc9e91e
https://wgno.com/2019/01/21/saints-got-robbed-billboards-appear-in-atlanta/
https://www.wtrf.com/news/national/harry-connick-jr-sends-open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-over-blown-call/1713233618
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/aj2o8s/this_week_summed_up/?utm_source=reddit-android
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/aiqohb/saw_this_sign_at_a_gretna_vet/?utm_source=reddit-android
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs64tIhlIBR/?utm_source=ig_web_options_share_sheet
I agree that this has no chance of going anywhere:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2019/01/23/legal-look-saints-lawsuit-against-nfl-for-blown-call-has-no-chance/#91717795fa54
Quote from: cjk374 on January 23, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Some interesting things people have come up with since Sunday:
https://goo.gl/images/91RSzW
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/officials-call-for-a-saints-parade-for-the-krewe-of-drew/289-f29168f9-6dff-49a4-82c7-16faf089bd7b
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/louisiana-governor-pens-letter-to-nfl-after-new-orleans-saints-loss/289-1144573f-7071-47c6-b591-e4d46cc9e91e
https://wgno.com/2019/01/21/saints-got-robbed-billboards-appear-in-atlanta/
https://www.wtrf.com/news/national/harry-connick-jr-sends-open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-over-blown-call/1713233618
I agree that this has no chance of going anywhere:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2019/01/23/legal-look-saints-lawsuit-against-nfl-for-blown-call-has-no-chance/#91717795fa54
Has this big of a fuss ever happened after any other sports game?
You ain't seen nothing yet. I added to the above list since your post.
There really is something different about Saints fans vs the other 31 fan bases. I believe there is a larger feel of family between the team and the fans. It has been said many times that the Saints players are so much more approachable than other athletes...as if they could all sit around, have a beer and bullshit about anything and everything in life. Obviously there is no way to properly gauge the passion of all 32 fan bases. But there is just something different about members of the WhoDat nation. I mean, grown ass bearded men were crying when Drew Brees broke Manning's pass completion record earlier this year.
Dare I try to remind y'all of the first home game in the Dome after Katrina?
Believe me when I say this...it comes from the bottom of my heart: The WhoDat nation IS the strongest and most passionate fan base in the NFL! WHO DAT!!!! :nod: :bigass:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 23, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 23, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Some interesting things people have come up with since Sunday:
https://goo.gl/images/91RSzW
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/officials-call-for-a-saints-parade-for-the-krewe-of-drew/289-f29168f9-6dff-49a4-82c7-16faf089bd7b
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/louisiana-governor-pens-letter-to-nfl-after-new-orleans-saints-loss/289-1144573f-7071-47c6-b591-e4d46cc9e91e
https://wgno.com/2019/01/21/saints-got-robbed-billboards-appear-in-atlanta/
https://www.wtrf.com/news/national/harry-connick-jr-sends-open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-over-blown-call/1713233618
I agree that this has no chance of going anywhere:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2019/01/23/legal-look-saints-lawsuit-against-nfl-for-blown-call-has-no-chance/#91717795fa54
Has this big of a fuss ever happened after any other sports game?
Not as big of a fuss, but the Bears never accepted the result of the 1989 "instant replay game" by putting an asterisk next to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf21NB4bdRw
The salt of Saints fans sustains me. :cool:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 23, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 23, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Some interesting things people have come up with since Sunday:
https://goo.gl/images/91RSzW
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/officials-call-for-a-saints-parade-for-the-krewe-of-drew/289-f29168f9-6dff-49a4-82c7-16faf089bd7b
https://www.wwltv.com/article/sports/nfl/saints/louisiana-governor-pens-letter-to-nfl-after-new-orleans-saints-loss/289-1144573f-7071-47c6-b591-e4d46cc9e91e
https://wgno.com/2019/01/21/saints-got-robbed-billboards-appear-in-atlanta/
https://www.wtrf.com/news/national/harry-connick-jr-sends-open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-over-blown-call/1713233618
I agree that this has no chance of going anywhere:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2019/01/23/legal-look-saints-lawsuit-against-nfl-for-blown-call-has-no-chance/#91717795fa54
Has this big of a fuss ever happened after any other sports game?
Two words: Don Denkinger
https://youtu.be/vyt1xEvqqow
An Illinois HS team took it to court when a blown call cost them a game in the section playoffs a couple years ago. The judge told them to F off.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 06:55:56 PM
Just anyone but the Warriors this year.
It'll be hard for the Warriors, only because LeBron went to the Lakers.
Quote from: Ben114 on January 26, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 06:55:56 PM
Just anyone but the Warriors this year.
It'll be hard for the Warriors, only because LeBron went to the Lakers.
The Lakers aren't even in the top 8.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/ak7000/the_real_super_bowl_liii_logo/?utm_source=reddit-android :bigass:
^^ and the asterisk doesn't involve the Patriots this time.
Quote from: Big John on January 26, 2019, 10:43:59 PM
^^ and the asterisk doesn't involve the Patriots this time.
Still does. Always does.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 26, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 26, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 06:55:56 PM
Just anyone but the Warriors this year.
It'll be hard for the Warriors, only because LeBron went to the Lakers.
The Lakers aren't even in the top 8.
The strange thing is for the first time in about 20 years the balance of power seems to have swung to the Eastern Conference, so we'll see if the Bucks/Raptors/Celtics can slay the beast.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 26, 2019, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 26, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on January 26, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on January 22, 2019, 06:55:56 PM
Just anyone but the Warriors this year.
It'll be hard for the Warriors, only because LeBron went to the Lakers.
The Lakers aren't even in the top 8.
The strange thing is for the first time in about 20 years the balance of power seems to have swung to the Eastern Conference, so we'll see if the Bucks/Raptors/Celtics can slay the beast.
And I'm loving it! Even LeBron joining the Lakers and making the West more stacked isn't helping the Western Conference now! Go Bucks!
Well, the Pro Bowl was definitely a thing I watched. Not sure what it was, though.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 27, 2019, 06:17:57 PM
Well, the Pro Bowl was definitely a thing I watched. Not sure what it was, though.
The Pro Bowl still sucks, as always. Miserable performance from the NFC this year.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 27, 2019, 06:17:57 PM
Well, the Pro Bowl was definitely a thing I watched. Not sure what it was, though.
It was a giant redshirt scrimmage.
LOL at Witten for breaking the trophy. Not like anyone cares.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 27, 2019, 06:17:57 PM
Well, the Pro Bowl was definitely a thing I watched. Not sure what it was, though.
I put it on, went to take a nap in my bed, and came back out to either the 3rd or 4th quarter of the following NBA game.
Rams talking a lot of shit before the game. They never learn.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 28, 2019, 02:47:13 PM
Rams talking a lot of shit before the game. They never learn.
You're new to this whole "sports" thing, ain't ya?
Of course both teams are going to say how they're going blow the doors off their opponent. Nobody says, "well, I can't wait to lose" and "I've been waiting all my life to be defeated at the biggest sporting event in the US of A". It's called motivation...what's the worst that happens? It's the final game of the season and few will remember any of the meaningless drivel before the coin flip.
That's about as likely as the offensive coordinator mentioning the details of that trick play he's going to use about 2 minutes into the third quarter.
It's game day! Lets go Brady!
I'm unbiased towards American sports. However this night I go with the Rams just to go with the anti-Patriots stream :sombrero:.
I'm gonna go with the Rams. Pats don't need another cheated victory.
Quote from: Ben114 on February 03, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
I'm gonna go with the Rams. Pats don't need another cheated victory.
Same, although not necessarily "cheated". The Patriots definitely have won too much, though.
It would make a good comparison to 2001 if the Rams won, though; the teams have pretty much reversed between 2001 and 2019.
God, I love rooting against the Pats.
GOAT... undeniable fact.
Pats hate is hilarious.
This game is really boring. What went wrong?
Of course, it could blamed on the fact that they're playing in a soccer stadium. Used up all that mojo during the MLS Cup run.
*yawn*
Quote from: Bruce on February 03, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
This game is really boring. What went wrong?
It wouldn't be so bad if the halftime show and most of the commercials weren't also terrible.
SUPRA
The over/under was 51.
51.
McVay may be the new shiny toy, but Billy B took him to school and whipped him today.
In another universe, the Chiefs and Saints had a memorable game tonight.
What a stinker...at some point I was just glad anyone scored a touchdown.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 03, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
McVay may be the new shiny toy, but Billy B took him to school and whipped him today.
Ehh, I think that's being a little harsh on the Rams. It sure isn't easy to hold the Patriots to 13 points.
That said, they didn't show up when it mattered most, and that's the deciding factor.
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
What a stinker...at some point I was just glad anyone scored a touchdown.
Further proof that, in general, people really don't enjoy defensive games as much as they say they do.
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
In another universe, the Chiefs and Saints had a memorable game tonight.
Including a halftime show featuring artists I give a fuck about.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 03, 2019, 10:11:16 PMThat said, they didn't show up when it mattered most, and that's the deciding factor.
So they didn't learn anything from the Falcons two years ago, then.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 03, 2019, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 03, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
McVay may be the new shiny toy, but Billy B took him to school and whipped him today.
Ehh, I think that's being a little harsh on the Rams. It sure isn't easy to hold the Patriots to 13 points.
That said, they didn't show up when it mattered most, and that's the deciding factor.
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2019, 10:10:34 PM
What a stinker...at some point I was just glad anyone scored a touchdown.
Further proof that, in general, people really don't enjoy defensive games as much as they say they do.
That was 25% defensive tussle, 75% error.
Screw all of the haters!
Quote from: formulanone on February 03, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
That was 25% defensive tussle, 75% error.
I dunno if I'd say it was that unbalanced... but I would agree that Goff made
way too many bad throws, or just didn't throw it away when he should have and got sacked.
The game: Oh, so ugly. :rolleyes: :sleep:
The result: Oh, so pretty :clap: :bigass: :spin:
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 03, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 03, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
This game is really boring. What went wrong?
It wouldn't be so bad if the halftime show and most of the commercials weren't also terrible.
I thought NFL 100 was the best commercial. When the ball fell off that cake and everyone froze for a second it was perfect....didn't even need the "FUMMMBLLLLE!!!!" yell to know what was coming.
That halftime show was mediocre though.
Most of the time, people stop watching children's television shows when they become old enough to realize that, no matter what happens, in the end, the writers reverse everything that happened during the show and everything is back to the status quo by the last scene.
My favorite post-Super Bowl joke: I hope Tom Brady chokes on a McNugget at the White House.
Well that game sucked. Patriots, can you please stop winning now?
Much agreed. I hope Pats fans go on their knees each night thanking Mo Lewis for the opportunity they were given.
I just thought of a radical thought. If the NFL wants to avoid any unwanted controversy next year (halftime guests, bad calls, kneeling, potential injuries, stuff like that) they should just check the Patriots roster in August. If Tom Brady's name is on it them just give them the freaking trophy and call it a season. Problem solved.
Alright rant over, God that game made me sick.
Eh, I passed judgment too quickly on the game. There was something more fascinating about this defensive struggle than ones of yore. There was the "throw Brady off" strategy of the Rams that was more tactical than just physical brutality at the lines. Same with the Patriots' untiring coverage of the Rams' receivers.
So, as defensive games go, there was more to see this time around.
And, of course, I was rooting for the Pats anyway.
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 03, 2019, 11:37:22 PM
That halftime show was mediocre though.
Didn't watch it. We were eating. But we could hear it and we couldn't understand any of the lyrics.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2019, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 03, 2019, 11:37:22 PM
That halftime show was mediocre though.
Didn't watch it. We were eating. But we could hear it and we couldn't understand any of the lyrics.
LOL
highlights:
every flag benefited the Patriots
every T-Mobile commercial was 15/10 amazing
only one touchdown
half the field goals were missed
it was three and a half hours of punting
Tom Brady is old
Tom did not win MVP
Goff needs to get off the starting lineup, he is trash
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
2012 Sox? Maybe the early 90s Pats.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2019, 07:23:15 AM
My favorite post-Super Bowl joke: I hope Tom Brady chokes on a McNugget at the White House.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190204/1bac9122b4a98af28d9c5fc772c9e68a.jpg)
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The 2006-07 Celtics were 24-58 and dead last in the Eastern Conference, 2nd worst team in the league. Of course, they would bring in KG, and Ray Allen that summer to form The Big 3 and win it all the next year.
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Patriot Opponent's Hopes Deflate Again
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Yeah, I'm glad that my cheaters beat the nfc cheaters.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Yeah, I'm glad that my cheaters beat the nfc cheaters.
There are just some teams where it's fun for non-fans to hate them. The Yankees would be another example. It's nothing personal towards you.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Yeah, I'm glad that my cheaters beat the nfc cheaters.
There are just some teams where it's fun for non-fans to hate them. The Yankees would be another example. It's nothing personal towards you.
Yeah, I know, I do think that the Yankees are soulless corporate big spending and boring.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Yeah, I'm glad that my cheaters beat the nfc cheaters.
There are just some teams where it's fun for non-fans to hate them. The Yankees would be another example. It's nothing personal towards you.
Yeah, I know, I do think that the Yankees are soulless corporate big spending and boring.
One thing about the Yankees is that they have won so much throughout history, not just recently.
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Sigh...another year that the cheaters won.
Yeah, I'm glad that my cheaters beat the nfc cheaters.
The Rams didn't cheat...they were the beneficiaries of a bad call.
And even then, the Saints fans need to stuff it. The Saints still had chances in regulation and overtime, and failed to convert!
The Rams were totally overmatched though, at least on offense. These guys wait all their lives to make it to the Superbowl, and never even get a touchdown to celebrate. Their defense held up well, but they were getting tired near the end, allowing the Patriots to get that winning TD (and subsequent FG).
In terms of game play, it was even more boring. No 'Philly Specials', unless you want to count a long rolling punt as the oddest play of the game. Heck, no fleaflickers or anything that makes people rise from their seats to await the result of the play. The game has more of a pre-season game feel to it than a world championship game.
With all the punting that happened, I was certain there would be a fake at least once. I was disappointed. :-/
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:33:38 PMYeah, I know, I do think that the Yankees are soulless corporate big spending and boring.
Yeah, but so are the Pats. Plus, when you align yourself with any one politician, you alienate roughly 50% of the population.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 04, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Just like they've been doing for the past 18 years.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:33:38 PM
Yeah, I know, I do think that the Yankees are soulless corporate big spending and boring.
Yeah, but so are the Pats. Plus, when you align yourself with any one politician, you alienate roughly 50% of the population.
[/quote] I don't like Trump but I don't give a crap about Brady/BBs political views.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 12:33:38 PMYeah, I know, I do think that the Yankees are soulless corporate big spending and boring.
Yeah, but so are the Pats. Plus, when you align yourself with any one politician, you alienate roughly 50% of the population.
I don't like Trump but I don't give a crap about Brady/BBs political views.
I thought it was Kraft who praised Trump, not Belichik. And it's not anything specific to Trump, it's what happens when you praise any politician.
The AAF is starting in case you want more football.
I think I'd rather watch the AFL.
True football isn't back for 8 months
Quote from: ET21 on February 04, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
True football isn't back for 8 months
I think you mean a month or two less than that.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 04, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: ET21 on February 04, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
True football isn't back for 8 months
I think you mean a month or two less than that.
Outside of North America, it's going on right now, their seasons end in May.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on February 04, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 04, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: ET21 on February 04, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
True football isn't back for 8 months
I think you mean a month or two less than that.
Outside of North America, it's going on right now, their seasons end in May.
Mike
I see.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 04, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The 2006-07 Celtics were 24-58 and dead last in the Eastern Conference, 2nd worst team in the league. Of course, they would bring in KG, and Ray Allen that summer to form The Big 3 and win it all the next year.
Under my figuring, if the NBA season ended with yesterday's games (Sunday, 2019-02-03), relegating would be the New York Knicks (10-42 - .192 - 15th place in Eastern Conference), Phoenix Suns (11-43 - .204 - 15th place in Western Conference) and the Cleveland Cavaliers (11-42 - .208 - 14th place in Eastern Conference - wild card).
Anyone need any more proof that LeBron James was the league's MVP last season?
:wow:
Mike
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2019, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 03, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 03, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
This game is really boring. What went wrong?
It wouldn't be so bad if the halftime show and most of the commercials weren't also terrible.
I thought NFL 100 was the best commercial. When the ball fell off that cake and everyone froze for a second it was perfect....didn't even need the "FUMMMBLLLLE!!!!" yell to know what was coming.
That commercial was one of the best
things I've ever seen, period.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
The Rams didn't cheat...they were the beneficiaries of a bad call.
The Patriots were the chief beneficiaries of the bad call, and nobody is going to convince me that it wasn't in the ref's mind when that call wasn't made. It was obvious to everybody that the Rams were a better matchup for the Patriots, and it still took a juiced-up Edelman to win.
Quote from: mgk920 on February 04, 2019, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 04, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The 2006-07 Celtics were 24-58 and dead last in the Eastern Conference, 2nd worst team in the league. Of course, they would bring in KG, and Ray Allen that summer to form The Big 3 and win it all the next year.
Under my figuring, if the NBA season ended with yesterday's games (Sunday, 2019-02-03), relegating would be the New York Knicks (10-42 - .192 - 15th place in Eastern Conference), Phoenix Suns (11-43 - .204 - 15th place in Western Conference) and the Cleveland Cavaliers (11-42 - .208 - 14th place in Eastern Conference - wild card).
Anyone need any more proof that LeBron James was the league's MVP last season?
:wow:
Mike
And that's why we don't relegate in American sports.
It's easier to relegate when you have the infrastructure to do so. The UK has that, the US doesn't. And that's perfectly fine. There are no "worst to first" stories in English soccer because "worst" plays in another division the next season.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 04, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
There are no "worst to first" stories in English soccer because "worst" plays in another division the next season.
Not always (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Premier_League).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 04, 2019, 02:11:56 PM
The AAF is starting in case you want more football.
Got my tickets for the San Antonio Commanders opening game Saturday.
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Yeah this was just a sucky game this year. And postseason matches for the NFL and the MLS are way different so they don't even compare.
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
How did the face-value ticket prices compare (I am working on the assumption that both stadia were sold out for the games)?
Mike
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Just because Indianapolis Motor Speedway has 150,000 attendees for the Indy 500 each year, doesn't mean that it's twice as popular as football.
There's a gradual viewership change in recent times, just as baseball was once the largest draw; soccer is gaining a steady foothold in the US. But football is still king, despite a slipping grasp.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on February 05, 2019, 02:22:50 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Yeah this was just a sucky game this year. And postseason matches for the NFL and the MLS are way different so they don't even compare.
Yeah — perhaps most importantly, the MLS Cup was held in the home stadium of one of the participants, whereas the
closer of the two Super Bowl teams was from 900 miles away. Happy as I am to stan for United, it isn't a fair comparison by any means.
Quote from: Eth on February 05, 2019, 08:12:29 AM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on February 05, 2019, 02:22:50 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Yeah this was just a sucky game this year. And postseason matches for the NFL and the MLS are way different so they don't even compare.
Yeah — perhaps most importantly, the MLS Cup was held in the home stadium of one of the participants, whereas the closer of the two Super Bowl teams was from 900 miles away. Happy as I am to stan for United, it isn't a fair comparison by any means.
I don't know that there's much of a correlation between distance from the teams' home cities and attendance at the SB.
However, it's also possible that seating capacity at the stadium is higher for soccer than football.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: Eth on February 05, 2019, 08:12:29 AM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on February 05, 2019, 02:22:50 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Just wondering: when is the most recent year that any of the Boston sports teams would have been relegated if a system existed?
The Revolution finished 16th out of 19th in MLS in 2012, which would be good enough for a relegation play-off in most leagues.
Speaking of MLS, this is a random stat that shouldn't be taken too seriously (but is a barometer of the new sports landscape):
https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1092244752123215873
Yeah this was just a sucky game this year. And postseason matches for the NFL and the MLS are way different so they don't even compare.
Yeah — perhaps most importantly, the MLS Cup was held in the home stadium of one of the participants, whereas the closer of the two Super Bowl teams was from 900 miles away. Happy as I am to stan for United, it isn't a fair comparison by any means.
I don't know that there's much of a correlation between distance from the teams' home cities and attendance at the SB.
However, it's also possible that seating capacity at the stadium is higher for soccer than football.
Bingo.
The stadium is sold out. The issue is how the tickets are counted. Often times, it's tickets that are sold and paid for. If tickets were held back for security, players, etc, they may not be counted in the total. You can have sell outs for every event in the stadium, but the numbers will always differ, even for the same like-event (ie: the 8+ Atlanta Falcon games held every year).
Maybe Mr. Justin Felder should also state what the average ticket price was. I'm sure the Superbowl attendance at 70,081 is more significant when the ticket price starts at $900, versus MLS Cup tickets when the ticket price starts at $70 (with secondary market prices starting about 250% higher).
Typical soccer capacity in Atlanta is actually capped at 43,000. It was raised to 72,000 for certain games (including the playoff run), but since the field is wider than a football field some seats would have been retracted further.
Again, one shouldn't take the stat too seriously. It's interesting that the stadium hosted those two league championships within the same few months and the "unpopular" sport got more butts in seats.
So yesterday I learned that the extended Bud Light/Game of Thrones commercial included the Bud Knight saying "Hold my beer" before the joust, and I have no idea why they cut that from the broadcast version, because that is hilarious.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 04, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Which means everyone skipped school today to see the parade.
Quote from: Ben114 on February 05, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 04, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Which means everyone skipped school today to see the parade.
My classes and lab did not have a high number of absences today or yesterday. It was normal.
Quote from: 1 on February 05, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 05, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 04, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Which means everyone skipped school today to see the parade.
My classes and lab did not have a high number of absences today or yesterday. It was normal.
Most of my classes had 6-7 students out.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 05, 2019, 05:15:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 05, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on February 05, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 04, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
And the Patriots/Belichick sold their soul to win. There, that was easy.
Which means everyone skipped school today to see the parade.
My classes and lab did not have a high number of absences today or yesterday. It was normal.
Most of my classes had 6-7 students out.
My classes had about 3-4 people out, mainly since it's all freshmen in those classes, meaning they can't drive.
At my school, the first lunch is always the busiest, where every table is full or almost full, and today there were a couple of empty tables, meaning that there were definitely some upperclassmen absences for the parade.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2019, 12:40:46 PM
And even then, the Saints fans need to stuff it. The Saints still had chances in regulation and overtime, and failed to convert!
Howdy. Resident member of the Who Dat Nation here. I have been waiting a few days for the effects of SB LIIIE to wear off. Now that everyone has woken up, allow me to put in my two cents worth on this absolute disaster of a "super" bowl. All of the following comments are both factual and in good fun. Nothing you read should be considered harsh, evil, backstabbing, or hurtful. After all, it's just a game.
ducks :-D
After the no-call in the NFCCG, I am convinced that the Saints' fan base, a.k.a. the Who Dat Nation, is the absolute most passionate fan base in the NFL...PERIOD! They realized their team had been wronged and they devised a peaceful family-friendly method to show support for their team. Behold...BOYCOTT BOWL! :clap: :clap: See pictures of the festivities: https://www.google.com/search?q=times+picayune+boycott+bowl+pictures&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwip2pSygKvgAhUtja0KHVQcDWEQsAR6BAgGEAE&biw=2048&bih=1042 (no buildings, businesses, or personal vehicles were destroyed during these festivities)
I agree with jeffandnicole in his comment I quoted. We should have made touchdowns when we kicked field goals instead. We should have never put ourselves in a position to have the refs' stupidity (or evil plans from emperor Goodell) decide the outcome of the game. However, I also believe that the no-call DID steal the game from the Saints. If the call was made properly, the Saints would have run the clock down, score winning field goal, and would have gone to Atlanta and beat the ever-loving shit out of the Cheatriots. (apologies to Roadgeekteen and any other Pats fans for that dose of hypotheticallity). So the no-call makes all other arguments about "the Saints could have done more to win" a moot point.
So, did Boycott Bowl have a direct effect on the Super Bowl ratings? DAMN SKIPPY IT DID!
CNN's prediction days before the suck bowl: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/us/new-orleans-saints-super-bowl-boycott-trnd/index.html :-o :pan:
Results: https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/ny-news-super-bowl-liii-lowest-ratings-10-years-20190204-story.html
There were many factors that caused the lowest ratings in ten years, but rest assured that Boycott Bowl had a major impact on the ratings. I was one of the millions who had their TV on another show (Puppy Bowl XV in fact).
This video sums up Saints fans the best: https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/an9s1d/some_peoplemove_onbut_not_us/?utm_source=reddit-android
Yeah, I'm so impressed with the dedication NOLA had towards the boycott.
I think the low ratings had less to do with the Saints and more with the fact that nobody wanted to watch the Patriots win. again. And nobody wanted to watch an Adam Levine concert pretend to be a halftime show.
Quote from: US 89 on February 07, 2019, 11:00:01 PM
I think the low ratings had less to do with the Saints and more with the fact that nobody wanted to watch the Patriots win. again. And nobody wanted to watch an Adam Levine concert pretend to be a halftime show.
We also got the worst of the four possible matchups.
NE/NO: two HOF QBs in a classic duel
KC/LA: rematch of one of the best regular season games in recent memory, also the (ex)Missouri Bowl
KC/NO: young gun QB Mahomes against the old guard Brees
But no. We got what we did.
Wait so rookie QB vs veteran QB isn't cool?
Quote from: jakeroot on February 08, 2019, 01:15:51 AM
Wait so rookie QB vs veteran QB isn't cool?
Well there's also Patrick Mahomes vs. Drew Brees. And none of the quarterbacks are actually rookies. Patrick Mahomes is in his second year, and Jared Goff is in his third.
This is so sad...but hilarious at the same time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/anwh9x/all_of_thr_rams_fans_showed_up_to_greet_the_team/?utm_source=reddit-android
And LA (Los Angeles) had the 2nd worst ratings for a market with a team in the big game: https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/ankcrn/los_angeles_has_secondworst_tv_rating_in_history/?utm_source=reddit-android
Quote from: jakeroot on February 08, 2019, 01:15:51 AM
Wait so rookie QB vs veteran QB isn't cool?
Jared Goff is in his third year.
Did you guys hear what the mayor of Atlanta said about which matchup she preferred in the Super Bowl this past season? She didn't want the Saints to be in it as nobody in ATL likes them, and unfortunately, she guessed right and ended up hosting a shitty Super Bowl.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 08, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
Did you guys hear what the mayor of Atlanta said about which matchup she preferred in the Super Bowl this past season? She didn't want the Saints to be in it as nobody in ATL likes them, and unfortunately, she guessed right and ended up hosting a shitty Super Bowl.
Fortunately for her. I'm sure that the city would rather have the Super Bowl canceled than Saints-Patriots happening in Atlanta.
Quote from: cjk374 on February 08, 2019, 06:07:13 AM
This is so sad...but hilarious at the same time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/anwh9x/all_of_thr_rams_fans_showed_up_to_greet_the_team/?utm_source=reddit-android
I dunno, because most able-bodied people had to go back to work on a
Tuesday and have better things to do with their time?
I know the team is new and it's going to be a fair-weather crowd in a fair-weather city (having lived near Miami), but a large turnout could have been spun into negativity just the same.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 08, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
Did you guys hear what the mayor of Atlanta said about which matchup she preferred in the Super Bowl this past season? She didn't want the Saints to be in it as nobody in ATL likes them, and unfortunately, she guessed right and ended up hosting a shitty Super Bowl.
Fortunately for her. I'm sure that the city would rather have the Super Bowl canceled than Saints-Patriots happening in Atlanta.
Not sure about that. The previous mayor or two wanted the Super Bowl there as the Falcons and NFL had already agreed to a new stadium.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2019, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 08, 2019, 01:15:51 AM
Wait so rookie QB vs veteran QB isn't cool?
Jared Goff is in his third year.
True. Rookie in comparison, I suppose.
Quote from: formulanone on February 08, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on February 08, 2019, 06:07:13 AM
This is so sad...but hilarious at the same time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Saints/comments/anwh9x/all_of_thr_rams_fans_showed_up_to_greet_the_team/?utm_source=reddit-android
I dunno, because most able-bodied people had to go back to work on a Tuesday and have better things to do with their time?
I know the team is new and it's going to be a fair-weather crowd in a fair-weather city (having lived near Miami), but a large turnout could have been spun into negativity just the same.
Wasn't the Pats' parade on a Tuesday? I know they won & got a parade, but the Saints lost and had one helluva party. The NFL will learn that Los Angeles just doesn't want football as much as they prefer to have basketball & baseball (on the professional level...they love their USC football much more).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 08, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 08, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
Did you guys hear what the mayor of Atlanta said about which matchup she preferred in the Super Bowl this past season? She didn't want the Saints to be in it as nobody in ATL likes them, and unfortunately, she guessed right and ended up hosting a shitty Super Bowl.
Fortunately for her. I'm sure that the city would rather have the Super Bowl canceled than Saints-Patriots happening in Atlanta.
The hatred between the Saints and the dirty birds runs deep. She wouldn't be the real mayor of Atlanta if she didn't say something about not wanting the Saints and the Who Dat Nation invading her city and winning a championship in their stadium. Much respect.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 07, 2019, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 07, 2019, 11:00:01 PM
I think the low ratings had less to do with the Saints and more with the fact that nobody wanted to watch the Patriots win. again. And nobody wanted to watch an Adam Levine concert pretend to be a halftime show.
We also got the worst of the four possible matchups.
NE/NO: two HOF QBs in a classic duel
KC/LA: rematch of one of the best regular season games in recent memory, also the (ex)Missouri Bowl
KC/NO: young gun QB Mahomes against the old guard Brees
But no. We got what we did.
I would have loved to have seen KC vs NO myself. The MVP vs runner-up. That would have been a good Super Bowl.
The Jet's new coaching staff is a huge joke. HC Adam Gase, his father in law Joe Vitt, and Gregg Williams, who Vitt worked with in NOLA when bountygate happened. :-D
I am glad that Orlando beat Atlanta last night, but man, these teams suck!
The AAF is shaping up to be a NFL minor league.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2019, 09:28:59 PM
The AAF is shaping up to be a NFL minor league.
As long as the players and coaches don't continue to suck.
The thing that annoys me about the AAF broadcasts this weekend (and I've watched parts of three of the four games) is the constant audio muting. I assume it's to censor profanities from the on-field microphones, but surely they can find a way to do it without muting the commentators.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2019, 10:33:16 PM
I assume it's to censor profanities from the on-field microphones
Doesn't that result in a penalty?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 10, 2019, 09:28:59 PM
The AAF is shaping up to be a NFL minor league.
That's kinda what they want. I just hope they don't suck.
Quote from: 1 on February 10, 2019, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 10, 2019, 10:33:16 PM
I assume it's to censor profanities from the on-field microphones
Doesn't that result in a penalty?
Generally not unless it's directed at a ref, and even then they'll usually give warnings to knock it off first.
Alliance football is what you get when practice squad QB's get matched to backup journeymen. At least the league gives those players enough reps and field time to have a chance at the NFL.
What would change the gameplay: Drop the low grade pocket passers. Run read-option schemes with QB's who can handle that. See if any emerge as the next Russell Wilson.
Rick
I think the AAF is meant as a developmental league for the NFL. Each AAF team is affiliated with four NFL teams and they have developmental agreements for each player. I can only see this as a positive. The other major pro sports all have minor/developmental leagues, football only had college. NFL careers are usually very short, this also gives guys a chance to play longer than they otherwise might have.
Kareem Hunt signed by Browns. Interesting.
(https://i.imgur.com/zNvObpd_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
..or worse, winding up as a backup to Keenum.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on February 14, 2019, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
..or worse, winding up as a backup to Keenum.
Rick
Keenum is probably getting cut or traded.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on February 14, 2019, 06:30:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
..or worse, winding up as a backup to Keenum.
Rick
Keenum is probably getting cut or traded.
We'll see.
Rick
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
Now they have their next elite quarterback after Peyton Manning! :-D
Quote from: MantyMadTown on February 14, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 14, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
Flacco to the Broncos. They gave up a 4th for another Case Keenum.
Now they have their next elite quarterback after Peyton Manning! :-D
All hail the elite dragon!
:-D
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/ (https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/)
Quote from: LM117 on February 22, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
:-D
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/ (https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/)
Someone on that team is always cheating one way or another!!!
Quote from: LM117 on February 22, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
:-D
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/ (https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2019/02/22/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-soliciting-prostitution-florida-spa/2939429002/)
lol oh boy
I know people are going to have a field day with this news. I feel bad for Pats fans, who I'm sure will never hear the end of it.
https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1098992946349858819
I feel worse for the women who are victims in the sex trafficking ring. That's no laughing matter.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on February 22, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
I feel worse for the women who are victims in the sex trafficking ring. That's no laughing matter.
well yeah, of course. That goes without saying.
I think the worst-case scenario for the Patriots is that Robert Kraft ultimately gets pushed out of ownership, with his son Jonathan (who's already team president) taking the reins. That'd be like what happened to former Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, only he didn't have a succession plan in place (having fired both of his sons), so he had to sell the team.
In any case, Bill Belichick is the evil genius of the Patriots' operation. So nothing is likely to change other than some embarrassment, for a team adept at taking controversies (including over cheating) in stride.
Cheaters, in more ways than one...
LOL Christian Hackenberg can't even play in the AAF.
Jason Witten's retirement didn't last long...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth)
Quote from: LM117 on February 28, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Jason Witten's retirement didn't last long...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth)
At least he's out of the booth.
Quote from: LM117 on February 28, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Jason Witten's retirement didn't last long...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth)
We'll see how long Manziel's lasts...
Quote from: Alps on February 28, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 28, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Jason Witten's retirement didn't last long...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth)
We'll see how long Manziel's lasts...
Maybe a backup in the AAF.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 01, 2019, 09:54:09 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 28, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 28, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
Jason Witten's retirement didn't last long...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26104542/witten-return-cowboys-leaving-mnf-booth)
We'll see how long Manziel's lasts...
Maybe a backup in the AAF.
Closer than you might think:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/01/johnny-manziel-aaf-workout-contract-eligible
Brandon Graham is staying with the Eagles.
Odell Beckham Jr. traded to the Cleveland Browns.
I like it.
Gave up a mid first rounder, the 2nd of our two 3rd round picks, and a safety from Michigan.
Apparently Nick Foles is headed to the Jacksonville Jaguars. We'll find out when the official NFL calendar year begins.
That's more than the Raiders gave for Antonio Brown. AB should've been traded for one of the first-round picks the Raiders got for trading away Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack.
What the hell are the Giants doing with their team? Trading away all their best players and keeping Eli Manning. The Giants don't really have any good players anymore besides Saquon Barkley.
Cordealle Patterson, 2 year deal with the Bears
LOL Giants
Quote from: ET21 on March 13, 2019, 08:52:31 AM
Cordealle Patterson, 2 year deal with the Bears
Quite an ironic move. His kickoff return TB for NE vs CHI was the difference in NE getting a playoff bye and CHI not getting one. Could have had an entirely different Super Bowl if that play doesn't happen.
Bell to Jets. ET3 to Ravens.
So...you thought the NOLA no-call had finally been forgotten.....WRONG!!
https://www.nola.com/entertainment/2019/03/movie-planned-about-saints-no-call-debacle.html
Mark Ingram to the Ravens for $15M/3 years. That hurts.
Big Nutz Lutz gets to stay in NOLA to possibly become the highest paid kicker in NFL history.
Could we have not paid Lutz as much & kept Ingram? C'MON MAN!!! :banghead: :banghead:
Chiefs only have one defensive starter left from beating NE week 1 2017. Chris Jones.
It has been confirmed that Nick Foles is signing a contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars and has penned a farewell letter to the Philadelphia Eagles.
The BOAT has been sunk.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 13, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
It has been confirmed that Nick Foles is signing a contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars and has penned a farewell letter to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Two seasons ago I believe Jax was in the AFC Championship Game. Last year was not so kind to the Jags. Is there enough of a supporting cast there to make a Super Bowl run if Foles is at his best for a full season? If the answer is "Yes", people in Jax are sure going to be happy and a low attendance situation will wind up turned around.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on March 14, 2019, 01:26:09 AM
Two seasons ago I believe Jax was in the AFC Championship Game. Last year was not so kind to the Jags. Is there enough of a supporting cast there to make a Super Bowl run if Foles is at his best for a full season? If the answer is "Yes", people in Jax are sure going to be happy and a low attendance situation will wind up turned around.
Bortles wasn't the sole problem with the Jaguars in 2018, though. It will be interesting if they can turn it around with Foles, but I wouldn't get my expectations too high.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 01:31:27 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on March 14, 2019, 01:26:09 AM
Two seasons ago I believe Jax was in the AFC Championship Game. Last year was not so kind to the Jags. Is there enough of a supporting cast there to make a Super Bowl run if Foles is at his best for a full season? If the answer is "Yes", people in Jax are sure going to be happy and a low attendance situation will wind up turned around.
Bortles wasn't the sole problem with the Jaguars in 2018, though. It will be interesting if they can turn it around with Foles, but I wouldn't get my expectations too high.
Yeah, basically the entire offense sucks whenever Fournette is out. Defense is top notch though.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 14, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 01:31:27 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on March 14, 2019, 01:26:09 AM
Two seasons ago I believe Jax was in the AFC Championship Game. Last year was not so kind to the Jags. Is there enough of a supporting cast there to make a Super Bowl run if Foles is at his best for a full season? If the answer is "Yes", people in Jax are sure going to be happy and a low attendance situation will wind up turned around.
Bortles wasn't the sole problem with the Jaguars in 2018, though. It will be interesting if they can turn it around with Foles, but I wouldn't get my expectations too high.
Yeah, basically the entire offense sucks whenever Fournette is out. Defense is top notch though.
Yes and I'm not sure how much longer Fournette will remain with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Giants are lost. They signed Golden Tate.
Bears got Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, one year deal
Quote from: ET21 on March 15, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Bears got Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, one year deal
They downgrades from Amos to Ha-Ha. Very funny.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2019, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: ET21 on March 15, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Bears got Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, one year deal
They downgrades from Amos to Ha-Ha. Very funny.
Still pretty pissed because Ha-Ha was a former Packer. At least we got Amos though.
LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
I wonder how many teams are trying to tank this offseason? Don't count on them to make the playoffs this year :rolleyes:
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
I wonder how many teams are trying to tank this offseason? Don't count on them to make the playoffs this year :rolleyes:
Dolphins, maybe Giants though they might just be drunkenly making moves.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 04:26:59 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
I wonder how many teams are trying to tank this offseason? Don't count on them to make the playoffs this year :rolleyes:
Dolphins, maybe Giants though they might just be drunkenly making moves.
Out of all the teams that I like, the Giants are not one of them. I just can't respect them after how stupid they've been over the last few seasons.
This is why we need a promotion/relegation system.
Quote from: 1 on March 16, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
This is why we need a promotion/relegation system.
Until the AAF started up this season, there was no place where a lousy team could be relegated and replaced with a better team. Now there is an option, though differences from the NFL (such as the AAF rules devaluing place kickers, and the AAF season currently starting about a month after the NFL regular season ends and right after the NFL Super Bowl) could complicate things.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
Quote from: 1 on March 16, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
This is why we need a promotion/relegation system.
I don't think anything like that could work in America. The way our leagues are set up just doesn't allow us to do something like that here. Franchises are pretty much tied to whatever league they're in, and we don't really have any lower level professional league to play football for. There's now the AAF, but they're really trying to market that as a developmental league, which they already have for baseball, basketball, and hockey, and they don't have a promotion/relegation system even with minor league. The minor league teams pretty much stay there, plus there's the whole college sports thing and all that (and some people would rather cheer for their local college team than the closest NFL team). Not everyone can make their hometown team into the big leagues, unless you're already a big city. If the NFL was founded today, and we didn't have the promotion/relegation system, the Packers wouldn't even be in it, even though they've been a good NFL team for most of its existence.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 16, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
Hey, didn't know you were a Dolphins fan. I thought you would've liked the Seahawks since you're from the Seattle/Tacoma area. Interesting.
It would be hard enough just to get promotion/relegation in place for MLS, which actually plays the sport where that is common.
There ain't no way in hell it's going to happen in the NFL (or MLB, NBA or NHL for that matter)
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 16, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
Hey, didn't know you were a Dolphins fan. I thought you would've liked the Seahawks since you're from the Seattle/Tacoma area. Interesting.
Fair assumption. Seahawks were doing really good about the time I started watching Football regularly, but I told myself I wouldn't be a bandwagon fan. So I follow the Dolphins like my father instead. Every other person in family is a Seahawks fan, except my mother (Dallas), my cousin (New England), and my uncle (LAR).
They can be a hard team to like. Ending with a .500+ record is a great season in my book, as are all wins against New England. I got to see the Miracle in Miami last December in person...that was the Superbowl of a lifetime (even if it wasn't a Superbowl, it was a great day for Miami fans).
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 16, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 16, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
Hey, didn't know you were a Dolphins fan. I thought you would've liked the Seahawks since you're from the Seattle/Tacoma area. Interesting.
Fair assumption. Seahawks were doing really good about the time I started watching Football regularly, but I told myself I wouldn't be a bandwagon fan. So I follow the Dolphins like my father instead. Every other person in family is a Seahawks fan, except my mother (Dallas), my cousin (New England), and my uncle (LAR).
They can be a hard team to like. Ending with a .500+ record is a great season in my book, as are all wins against New England. I got to see the Miracle in Miami last December in person...that was the Superbowl of a lifetime (even if it wasn't a Superbowl, it was a great day for Miami fans).
It's not really a bandwagon if you start liking your local team. Then again, I hate all the Seahawks bandwagon fans from when I was in high school :banghead:
That Miracle in Miami was great. I predicted Miami was gonna win that game, given their usual luck at home against New England, but I didn't expect them to win in that fashion. Wow.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 16, 2019, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
Drew Brees is still clutch even at age 40. And although their secondary wasn't very good, they still had the 2nd-best rushing defense in the league.
Haters gonna hate.
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Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
I thought that the defense has been good for the past 2 years?
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LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
Hey, didn't know you were a Dolphins fan. I thought you would've liked the Seahawks since you're from the Seattle/Tacoma area. Interesting.
Fair assumption. Seahawks were doing really good about the time I started watching Football regularly, but I told myself I wouldn't be a bandwagon fan. So I follow the Dolphins like my father instead. Every other person in family is a Seahawks fan, except my mother (Dallas), my cousin (New England), and my uncle (LAR).
They can be a hard team to like. Ending with a .500+ record is a great season in my book, as are all wins against New England. I got to see the Miracle in Miami last December in person...that was the Superbowl of a lifetime (even if it wasn't a Superbowl, it was a great day for Miami fans).
Meaningless miracle.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 16, 2019, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
Drew Brees is still clutch even at age 40. And although their secondary wasn't very good, they still had the 2nd-best rushing defense in the league.
Haters gonna hate.
Drew turned 40 just before "the great striped robbery." There is lots of speculation that the 2019 season will be his last. I just hope he can win one more SB.
Big Nutz Lutz is apparently the best kicker in the league this past season. Maybe they didn't want a repeat of what happened with Morton Anderson?
Our defense was on and off...but more on than off. Especially compared to previous seasons.
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Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 16, 2019, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
Drew Brees is still clutch even at age 40. And although their secondary wasn't very good, they still had the 2nd-best rushing defense in the league.
Haters gonna hate.
Drew turned 40 just before "the great striped robbery." There is lots of speculation that the 2019 season will be his last. I just hope he can win one more SB.
Big Nutz Lutz is apparently the best kicker in the league this past season. Maybe they didn't want a repeat of what happened with Morton Anderson?
Our defense was on and off...but more on than off. Especially compared to previous seasons.
I hope he can win another one too. But I wouldn't be too surprised if they don't win the Super Bowl again before he retires. The Saints have had lots of disappointments in the postseason since their lone Super Bowl victory, so it would be a miracle if they even make it again. First Beast Quake, then losing to the 49ers in a 4th quarter showdown, then the Minnesota Miracle, and now the refs making a bad call that cost them the NFC Championship.
As much as I'm hoping for the Saints to finally overcome their recent heartbreak, I don't see how it can happen this year. If they make the playoffs, something bad's probably going to happen to them like it always does. The Saints are probably one of the unluckiest teams in the NFL.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 09:25:27 PM
It's not really a bandwagon if you start liking your local team. Then again, I hate all the Seahawks bandwagon fans from when I was in high school :banghead:
That Miracle in Miami was great. I predicted Miami was gonna win that game, given their usual luck at home against New England, but I didn't expect them to win in that fashion. Wow.
Seahawks fans used to be pretty tame, but after the LOB and other garbage, they're just awful now.
It was a great game up to that point as well, making it all the better. Lots of scoring...tons of fun.
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I got to see the Miracle in Miami last December in person...that was the Superbowl of a lifetime (even if it wasn't a Superbowl, it was a great day for Miami fans).
Meaningless miracle.
yeah well NE still lost. In Miami. again. but it was a more spectacular loss than usual!
Just for the record, the Pats are my second favorite team. which might sound like sacrilege from a dolphins fan, but my cousin, who is a huge Pats fan here in Seattle, has always been there for Miami, rooting for us at all opportunities. Plus, they're also AFC East, so I support the division. Basically I owe it to him. Plus, I mean...GOAT. obviously.
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Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 16, 2019, 09:25:27 PM
It's not really a bandwagon if you start liking your local team. Then again, I hate all the Seahawks bandwagon fans from when I was in high school :banghead:
That Miracle in Miami was great. I predicted Miami was gonna win that game, given their usual luck at home against New England, but I didn't expect them to win in that fashion. Wow.
Seahawks fans used to be pretty tame, but after the LOB and other garbage, they're just awful now.
It was a great game up to that point as well, making it all the better. Lots of scoring...tons of fun.
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Quote from: jakeroot on March 16, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I got to see the Miracle in Miami last December in person...that was the Superbowl of a lifetime (even if it wasn't a Superbowl, it was a great day for Miami fans).
Meaningless miracle.
yeah well NE still lost. In Miami. again. but it was a more spectacular loss than usual!
Just for the record, the Pats are my second favorite team. which might sound like sacrilege from a dolphins fan, but my cousin, who is a huge Pats fan here in Seattle, has always been there for Miami, rooting for us at all opportunities. Plus, they're also AFC East, so I support the division. Basically I owe it to him. Plus, I mean...GOAT. obviously.
You are weird.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 11:52:29 PM
You are weird.
no I'm just not a prick like so many football fans. I recognize skill and root for it, but still support my team.
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Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
CRAP!!! Saint's center Max Unger has decided to retire. Earlier this week we lost Mark Ingram II to Baltimore. Great sadness for Saints fans. I don't know if I can't anymore sad news. :-(
Your QB is turning 40.
You just gave a massive contract to a kicker.
Your defense still sucks.
Drew Brees is still clutch even at age 40. And although their secondary wasn't very good, they still had the 2nd-best rushing defense in the league.
Haters gonna hate.
I was just giving cjk some shit in response to his "no more sad news" quip.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 11:52:29 PM
You are weird.
no I'm just not a prick like so many football fans. I recognize skill and root for it, but still support my team.
Most football fans hate division rivals.
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Quote from: jakeroot on March 17, 2019, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 11:52:29 PM
You are weird.
no I'm just not a prick like so many football fans. I recognize skill and root for it, but still support my team.
Most football fans hate division rivals.
Yeah because they're needlessly competitive. I'm not.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 17, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 17, 2019, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 16, 2019, 11:52:29 PM
You are weird.
no I'm just not a prick like so many football fans. I recognize skill and root for it, but still support my team.
Most football fans hate division rivals.
Yeah because they're needlessly competitive. I'm not.
Certainly as a fan of football I would be the first to put Rodgers at the top of my QB list in terms of skill and playmaking. Doesn't mean I like watching it though.
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LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
They just signed Fitzpatrick as a short-term plan.
Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 10:19:42 PM
Drew turned 40 just before "the great striped robbery." There is lots of speculation that the 2019 season will be his last. I just hope he can win one more SB.
I'd be OK with that.
Saints win the 2019-20 season (while the Browns get some playoff experience), then the Browns can win the 2020-21 season before the lockout in 2021-22
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Quote from: cjk374 on March 16, 2019, 10:19:42 PM
Drew turned 40 just before "the great striped robbery." There is lots of speculation that the 2019 season will be his last. I just hope he can win one more SB.
I'd be OK with that.
Saints win the 2019-20 season (while the Browns get some playoff experience), then the Browns can win the 2020-21 season before the lockout in 2021-22
I thought it was baseball that was supposed to be headed for a lockout/strike in 2021. But being that the NFL has the shortest schedule of the four major sports leagues, it is the most susceptible to having an entire season lost to a work stoppage, though the NHL has managed to defy this (2004-05).
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LOL Dolphins are tanking hard.
Hey we're making moves. Fresh start. Tanny could take a hit but his few injuries benched him for too long. Need a new permanent QB. New coach is taken care of, Amendola is gone...gotta free up some cash.
But the plan next season is definitely to tank. Won't deny that.
They just signed Fitzpatrick as a short-term plan.
I have no opinion...yet. Seems like a lot of incentives.
Quote from: Buck87 on March 16, 2019, 07:23:46 PM
It would be hard enough just to get promotion/relegation in place for MLS, which actually plays the sport where that is common.
There ain't no way in hell it's going to happen in the NFL (or MLB, NBA or NHL for that matter)
IMHO, the big 'wild card' here is the continually growing crescendo of off-the-field/court/etc **
CR*P** that is going on in the NCAA. If/when the NCAA implodes, then all bets will be off in that department.
Ditto the high school associations in many states.
A couple of years ago, the WIAA (Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association) came just a very, very few votes shy of adopting a promotion and relegation system for high school state tournament 'class' assignments.
Mike
So, that didn't last long.
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26423928/aaf-suspends-operations-polian-disappointed
RIP AAF. Hello XFL? FFL?
I hope the AAF starts again soon, maybe as an actual development league of the NFL.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on April 02, 2019, 09:50:07 PM
I hope the AAF starts again soon, maybe as an actual development league of the NFL.
The only way a true NFL Developmental League will fly, with access to NFL contracted athletes, is if it is a Fall League, during the NFL regular season
Run it from Week 1 until the trade deadline. Play games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I wouldn't pursue national tv rights either - I'd go to local OTA channels and cable RSNs, and/or single team streaming rights with no blackouts
That way teams have their "AAA" or AHL players that can be called up for injury purposes or whatever.
Also, the NFLPA won't allow members to play 2 separate Professional Football seasons a year, so it needs to happen during the season
A NFL Development League needs to benefit the NFL and the Players. If it can be done other ways, great. I just don't think it can be
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I hope the AAF starts again soon, maybe as an actual development league of the NFL.
That's the only way it'll ever start up again.
People always say they want more football.
Until given more football.
Since the successful AFL of the 1960s, which was perfectly timed to take advantage of the growth of TV, and of stupid territorial and TV policies of the then NFL owners, there has been nearly a half-dozen leagues. The WFL, the USFL, the CFL-USA, the XFL 1.0, and now the AAF. All have simply run out of money in short order. Even the NFL tried twice with "official" developmental leagues, first the USA-Canada-Europe WLAF, later revamped as the Europe only NFL E, which also failed eventually. Next up is the XFL 2.0, but does anybody see it working?
Nerdy side note. Most of the USFL footage ended up with a stock film company. For the next 15 years or so if there was a game on in the background of a TV show or movie, it was generally the USFL. Look for the same to happen here. The LA Express uniforms ended up being bought by a prop department and were used in a truly fantastically silly A-Team episode involving a football game in East Berlin.
The AAF recieved good ratings on the first weekend when the games were on CBS on national TV on a channel everyone could receive. It was new and people were interested to see what it looked like. The quality of play wasn't up to NFL standards, but that was ok, nobody expected it to be. But then the shine wore off, the games were relegated to second tier sports channels on cable, and people forgot about it, myself included. I think if they would have kept at least one game a week on CBS, and kept it fresh in everyone's mind, it may have had a better chance. But other's points about it needing to be a true developmental league are also true. Like other sports' minor and developmental leagues, it needs to play its season at the same time as the NFL. Problem with that is then you're also going up against the true NFL minor league, college football. Football is unique in the wear and tear on players' bodies, and short career length. Playing in a developmental league is also going to shorten a player's NFL career.
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RIP AAF. Hello XFL? FFL?
LFL? :D
XXFL?
Stay in school.
No, the xtreme xtreme football league.
Ok, then.
Interesting timing for the AAF because the early game this Saturday was to have aired on CBS as lead-in programming to their Final Four coverage. Might or might not have gotten them some more attention.
I thought the concept was OK but that they should have started with a smaller geographical footprint to reduce travel costs.
Things the AAF should have done differently (some things already mentioned):
1) Have the games on channels that people get. If CBS broadcast didn't want weekly games, at least get 2-3 of them per week on TNT and the rest on CBS Sports/NFL Network.
2) Move games off Saturday-Sunday afternoons. February-April has a lot of college basketball, plus the Daytona 500, PGA Players Championship and Masters on weekend afternoons. Have the four games on Friday/Saturday/Sunday/Monday evenings.
3) Create affiliations between the AAF teams and NFL teams. Maybe each AAF team has 3-4 NFL teams with whom they are affiliated and get first crack and "calling up" those players to their teams in the Fall. Create a natural rooting interest for the 3/4 of the country where there wasn't a natural geographic rooting interest. The closest team to me was over 500 miles away. I had no team to naturally get invested in, but if one of them had an affiliation with the Bears, I'd have paid more attention.
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3) Create affiliations between the AAF teams and NFL teams. Maybe each AAF team has 3-4 NFL teams with whom they are affiliated and get first crack and "calling up" those players to their teams in the Fall. Create a natural rooting interest for the 3/4 of the country where there wasn't a natural geographic rooting interest. The closest team to me was over 500 miles away. I had no team to naturally get invested in, but if one of them had an affiliation with the Bears, I'd have paid more attention.
They did. There's a list here. (https://www.reddit.com/r/aafb/comments/aokw04/who_should_i_root_for_aaf_has_nfl_to_aaf/) (Tried to find a more official source but couldn't–perhaps part of the problem?)
Josh Sitton retired.
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26683501/xfl-games-air-espn-abc-fox-properties
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
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http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26683501/xfl-games-air-espn-abc-fox-properties
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
Can't wait to watch another failure!
Quote from: bing101 on May 06, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
And the key thing here is the XFL, run by Ollie "Everything I touch turns to s***" Luck, is GIVING the TV rights to ESPN and Fox.
So the AAF, which got a small rights fee from CBS and TNT, went broke in 8 weeks. This deal has to pay the players, coaches, refs, rent the stadiums, travel, insurance, uniforms, etc. out of live gate.
Four weeks. I have faith in the total ineptitude of Ollie Luck.
Quote from: bing101 on May 06, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26683501/xfl-games-air-espn-abc-fox-properties
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
Now to see if XFL 2.0 can make it through a whole season including playoffs.
Rick
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http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26683501/xfl-games-air-espn-abc-fox-properties
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
Now to see if XFL 2.0 can make it through a whole season including playoffs.
Rick
IMO, because football teams are so large with 50+ players, there aren't even enough great players to fill up every depth chart in the real football league. If you're not on an NFL roster, the money in football isn't good enough and the level of play isn't high enough. It's not worth the risk of brain damage or other injury, or the burden of constant travel with low pay.
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http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26683501/xfl-games-air-espn-abc-fox-properties
The XFL has announced that ESPN and Fox Sports will air XFL games in 2020.
Now to see if XFL 2.0 can make it through a whole season including playoffs.
Rick
IMO, because football teams are so large with 50+ players, there aren't even enough great players to fill up every depth chart in the real football league. If you're not on an NFL roster, the money in football isn't good enough and the level of play isn't high enough. It's not worth the risk of brain damage or other injury, or the burden of constant travel with low pay.
Alliance football play level was decent enough. Journeyman-level players who needed reps and playing time got a chance to round into form. What was missing: Top level QB's. Those are scarce. For that matter so are quality placekickers.
Since pro football is such a meatgrinder, having a larger inventory of journeymen around would be prudent. Once you get past a NFL team's handful of stars, the rest of the lineup is journeymen, hence they are fungible goods.
As for the money, there are those who will chase the dream for $250K per season. These borderline players already have invested the better part of their life in football. Their dream of making it dies hard.
Rick
Packers vs Raiders is proof that the NFL is trying way too hard to populate its local game elsewhere. Just give up, NFL.
Quote from: thspfc on August 23, 2019, 11:32:02 AM
Packers vs Raiders is proof that the NFL is trying way too hard to populate its local game elsewhere. Just give up, NFL.
It was the Raiders who wanted that game. At the time they scheduled it, it was unclear where they'd play the 2019 season and they didn't want to pay the City of Oakland for another game there after the city sued them.
Quote from: thspfc on August 23, 2019, 11:32:02 AM
Packers vs Raiders is proof that the NFL is trying way too hard to populate its local game elsewhere. Just give up, NFL.
Yep. The CFL is a viable league which is in the middle of its own season. I get the London games. Since PT people watch the ET games in their mid-morning, there is no reason not to believe that ET people will not watch games in their mid-morning from Europe. It gives them control of another time slot. The fans actually in London are just props. I expect, since ET people watch games with night kick offs that last into the wee hours, that the NFL will eventually have a 8 or 9 PM PT game regularly as well.
But a meaningless game in Canada, in a stadium with a grounds crew that could not even figure out how to move the goal posts was pointless.
It didn't help that it was only a preseason game, and not a very exciting one at that. I was expecting something like a 52-49 shootout on a field only 80 yards long.
In one of the last years of Veterans Stadium's existence, a pre-season game between Philly & Baltimore was outright canceled due to the condition of the field.
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck announces his retirement.
Quote from: Big John on August 24, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck announces his retirement.
A true shock. His latest injury must be worse than he and the Colts organization is letting on, and Luck has finally had enough.
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Quote from: Big John on August 24, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck announces his retirement.
A true shock. His latest injury must be worse than he and the Colts organization is letting on, and Luck has finally had enough.
It seems like a lot of players in the last couple decades have retired early to avoid injuries. For what it's worth it was an absolute shock when Barry Sanders retired and he didn't even get hurt, he apparent just had enough. For what it's worth Andrew Luck was never quite a top tier quarterback, he was always in that second tier behind the likes to Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. I don't even think his career quarterback rating was over 90?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 25, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
I don't even think his career quarterback rating was over 90?
His career rating was 89.5, and was over 90 for 3 of his 6 playing years.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00.htm
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 25, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
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Quote from: Big John on August 24, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck announces his retirement.
A true shock. His latest injury must be worse than he and the Colts organization is letting on, and Luck has finally had enough.
It seems like a lot of players in the last couple decades have retired early to avoid injuries. For what it's worth it was an absolute shock when Barry Sanders retired and he didn't even get hurt, he apparent just had enough. For what it's worth Andrew Luck was never quite a top tier quarterback, he was always in that second tier behind the likes to Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. I don't even think his career quarterback rating was over 90?
Quote from: Big John on August 25, 2019, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 25, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
I don't even think his career quarterback rating was over 90?
His career rating was 89.5, and was over 90 for 3 of his 6 playing years.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00.htm
Despite being the heir to Peyton Manning's throne in Indianapolis, Luck never lived up to the hype and expectations that came with it. I'm pretty sure that Colts fans will be disappointed that he's not going to be in action for the NFL's centennial season.
Hopefully Manning's heir in Denver (most likely Joe Flacco) will have better luck this year, no pun intended.
Flacco is going to be what he's always been: a decent QB who takes all the blame for losing because he has a mediocre team around him.
Quote from: thspfc on August 29, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
Flacco is going to be what he's always been: a decent QB who takes all the blame for losing because he has a mediocre team around him.
But let's not forget, he won a Super Bowl in Baltimore, but that's because they had a stellar defense there. Can't say the same thing about Denver, though...outside Von Miller, that is.
I have never seen a player get his title and obligatory ensuing fat contract and then mail it in as hard as Flacco has.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 30, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
I have never seen a player get his title and obligatory ensuing fat contract and then mail it in as hard as Flacco has.
I'm not so sure that he's mailed-it-in in as much as he is just incredibly average.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 25, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
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Quote from: Big John on August 24, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
Colts quarterback Andrew Luck announces his retirement.
A true shock. His latest injury must be worse than he and the Colts organization is letting on, and Luck has finally had enough.
It seems like a lot of players in the last couple decades have retired early to avoid injuries. For what it’s worth it was an absolute shock when Barry Sanders retired and he didn’t even get hurt, he apparent just had enough. For what it’s worth Andrew Luck was never quite a top tier quarterback, he was always in that second tier behind the likes to Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. I don’t even think his career quarterback rating was over 90?
Barry Sanders was fed up with being stuck on a rotten team. Imagine Sanders' tenure overlapping with Brett Favre's at Green Bay - the Packers passed on Sanders to pick the biggest draft failure in league history (Tony Mandarich) in 1989.
I consider Sanders to be #1 on my list of players in the Super Bowl era to have deserved a 'ring' without getting one.
Mike
49-0 win for my badgers on the road, I think the largest road shutout in program history.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 30, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
I have never seen a player get his title and obligatory ensuing fat contract and then mail it in as hard as Flacco has.
I'm not so sure that he's mailed-it-in in as much as he is just incredibly average.
Maybe that hit by Kiko Alonso of the Dolphins a couple of seasons ago may have something to do with his performance. There have been some memes that call it the "Check please!" hit.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on August 31, 2019, 04:39:51 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 30, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
I have never seen a player get his title and obligatory ensuing fat contract and then mail it in as hard as Flacco has.
I'm not so sure that he's mailed-it-in in as much as he is just incredibly average.
This. Flacco was never a great QB, only a competent one with a great defense
The season starts tonight with my Bears taking on the Packers to kick off the NFL's centennial season. Good luck to both of them (but I hope Chicago wins), as well as the other 30 teams!
Got my first Google-generated notification of the season. Shit's getting real!
I'll be at B-Dubs in Tacoma, WA tonight if anyone is in the area :-D
(https://i.imgur.com/eLwKisa.jpg)
I watched only the first half of the game last night, and that was boring as shit. I suspect, going by the score, that the second half was not much better.
People just don't appreciate good defense anymore. I'll take a lower scoring defensive game over an offensive shootout any day. A close defensive game will keep me biting my nails and on the edge of my seat, whereas with a shootout I'll be getting frustrated as my team keeps giving up scores. BTW, congrats to the good guys winning last night!
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 06, 2019, 03:53:51 PM
BTW, congrats to the good guys winning last night!
Haha, no. ;-)
But for real, that wasn't so much good defense (which I can appreciate) as much as it was bad offense. Especially Trubisky. He did
not look good last night.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 06, 2019, 03:53:51 PM
People just don't appreciate good defense anymore. I'll take a lower scoring defensive game over an offensive shootout any day. A close defensive game will keep me biting my nails and on the edge of my seat, whereas with a shootout I'll be getting frustrated as my team keeps giving up scores. BTW, congrats to the good guys winning last night!
It's not that it was good defense. The Bears played like shit with penalties and sloppy play.
I guess the Bears need the help of Yogi Bear. ;) https://archive.org/details/YogiBear28RahRahBearMoonsong/Yogi+Bear+28+Rah+Rah+Bear+%5BMoonsong%5D.mp4
Holy fack, that game blew.
If I wasn't watching it with a die-hard Bears fan, I would have walked out fo sho.
Antonio Brown was released by the Raiders after all the antics he pulled.
Quote from: Big John on September 07, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
Antonio Brown was released by the Raiders after all the antics he pulled.
This is hilarious to me. I feel a little bit bad for the Raiders, giving up those picks for him, but still: The Headcase was released! :-D
Quote from: Big John on September 07, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
Antonio Brown was released by the Raiders after all the antics he pulled.
Last year a family member of mine took Leveon Bell at no. 1 in our fantasy draft.
You can see where this is going. Same person took AB in the second round this year.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 07, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on September 07, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
Antonio Brown was released by the Raiders after all the antics he pulled.
This is hilarious to me. I feel a little bit bad for the Raiders, giving up those picks for him, but still: The Headcase was released! :-D
What's even most hilarious is that the Patriots just signed him. Cue the conspiracy theories at any moment.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 07, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 07, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Big John on September 07, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
Antonio Brown was released by the Raiders after all the antics he pulled.
This is hilarious to me. I feel a little bit bad for the Raiders, giving up those picks for him, but still: The Headcase was released! :-D
What's even most hilarious is that the Patriots just signed him. Cue the conspiracy theories at any moment.
:popcorn:
Let's go AB!!!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 07, 2019, 06:09:02 PM
Let's go AB!!!
I hope that the Cheats self-destruct in pivotal Game 17 due directly to AB's antics.
Quote from: Alps on September 07, 2019, 06:30:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 07, 2019, 06:09:02 PM
Let's go AB!!!
I hope that the Cheats self-destruct in pivotal Game 17 due directly to AB's antics.
The pats' last regular season game never matters, because they're 27-2 and have already clinched the no.1 seed weeks before that.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 07, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
What's even most hilarious is that the Patriots just signed him. Cue the conspiracy theories at any moment.
For real?
checks newsWell shit. The hilarity level has decreased a bunch now.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 06, 2019, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on September 06, 2019, 03:53:51 PM
People just don't appreciate good defense anymore. I'll take a lower scoring defensive game over an offensive shootout any day. A close defensive game will keep me biting my nails and on the edge of my seat, whereas with a shootout I'll be getting frustrated as my team keeps giving up scores. BTW, congrats to the good guys winning last night!
It's not that it was good defense. The Bears played like shit with penalties and sloppy play.
It was a typical Packers-Bears game - gobs and gobs of overpowering defense from both teams and just enough offense to get the job done.
:cool:
That said, the TV and radio guys were all commenting on how rusty both teams' offenses were and they were all pointing their fingers at the pre-season games and how pretty much none of the first string players took any snaps during any of them. No chance to really congeal in game situations.
And I agree - it showed.
:banghead:
Mike
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on September 08, 2019, 02:00:21 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 07, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
What's even most hilarious is that the Patriots just signed him. Cue the conspiracy theories at any moment.
For real? checks news
Well shit. The hilarity level has decreased a bunch now.
The first of what I suspect is many to come:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/suspicions-grow-antonio-brown-patriots-144531799.html
The CFL do some games in the Atlantic provinces to test the waters of possible expansion in the area.
https://www.cfl.ca/2019/08/23/leblanc-td-atlantic-bringing-added-hype-maritime-expansion-effort/
Speaking of Antonio Brown...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations)
Quote from: LM117 on September 12, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
Speaking of Antonio Brown...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations)
False flag. Focus on the collusion.
Quote from: Alps on September 13, 2019, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: LM117 on September 12, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
Speaking of Antonio Brown...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053676/article/belichick-addresses-antonio-brown-sexual-assault-allegations)
False flag. Focus on the collusion.
Maybe not so much:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-cut-antonio-brown-after-latest-allegations-201440184.html
Seems that's probably the end of Antonio Brown in the NFL.
What a crazy fall from grace and exit from the league, should he really be done. I'm not entirely convinced of that yet.
Good slate of college games today. Rank vs rank in each of the time slots
"The Wolverines are now 4-11 against top-15 teams under Harbaugh after this loss, including 0-8 in road and neutral site games."
I'm out.
I'm beginning to think University of Arkansas is about to start shopping for a new coach. The current coach has run up an impressive 3-11 record since 2018 ;)
Another miserable day to be a Dolphins fan. My Smokin' Jay Cutler, "don't care" shirt will be getting a lot of use this season.
S/O to Pete Carroll...drilled in the face but still out there.
The Bills and Patriots both have 3-0 records, and they face off next week at New Era Field.
I'm not into sports at all - never have been - but this is one game I'll be watching at least semi-closely. Not only because it's rare to have two 3-0 teams facing each other. The winner goes 4-0, and if the Bills can pull off the upset, they'll have a better record than the Pats, and they may even have a decent shot at winning the AFC East (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo), becoming the first non-Patriots winner in at least a decade, if not my entire lifetime.
The entire USA should be rooting for the Bills in this game, because I think we're all - even non-sports followers like myself - thoroughly sick of seeing the Pats at the Super Bowl.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
Another miserable day to be a Dolphins fan. My Smokin' Jay Cutler, "don't care" shirt will be getting a lot of use this season.
One advantage to being a Dolphins fan right now: nobody will think you're on a bandwagon.
Quote from: formulanone on September 23, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
Another miserable day to be a Dolphins fan. My Smokin' Jay Cutler, "don't care" shirt will be getting a lot of use this season.
One advantage to being a Dolphins fan right now: nobody will think you're on a bandwagon.
That's one of the few reasons I have for sticking around. If they get better, at least I can say I was around for when they were shit.
Quote from: webny99 on September 23, 2019, 11:38:55 AM
I'm not into sports at all - never have been - but this is one game I'll be watching at least semi-closely. Not only because it's rare to have two 3-0 teams facing each other. The winner goes 4-0, and if the Bills can pull off the upset, they'll have a better record than the Pats, and they may even have a decent shot at winning the AFC East (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo), becoming the first non-Patriots winner in at least a decade, if not my entire lifetime.
I dunno. Dolphins started last year 3-0 too. This early in the season really isn't all that indicative of the ultimate outcome at the end of the season.
Pats are my second favorite team. We have family here in the area who are long-time Pats fans, and they've basically been with us every Sunday at the bars watching football games. We support the Pats for their sake. If they go to another Superbowl, it's not a problem with me. Unless the Dolphins have a decent shot!
Here's why I don't like college football:
1. Colleges are supposed to be for academics. Most schools focus on academics or sports, but not both.
2. It often sounds like entire states are playing against each other. In an international soccer game that's US vs. Germany, the two teams represent their countries. Michigan vs. Alabama, not so much.
3. If a team goes undefeated but doesn't make it to the finals, what's the point of that team existing?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/1176316629115817984?s=21
Quote from: 1 on September 23, 2019, 08:59:55 PM
Here's why I don't like college football:
1. Colleges are supposed to be for academics. Most schools focus on academics or sports, but not both.
2. It often sounds like entire states are playing against each other. In an international soccer game that's US vs. Germany, the two teams represent their countries. Michigan vs. Alabama, not so much.
3. If a team goes undefeated but doesn't make it to the finals, what's the point of that team existing?
I've been increasingly turned off by college and high school sports over the past few decades and with the way that the entire university scene is going, both with sports AND academics, I see this all turning into a massive souffle that will eventually come crashing down and HARD.
Example, should these occasional articles and discussions of college players being paid a base salary rate bear fruit and take hold, kiss the NCAA good-bye. Add the Title IX equality of the sexes rule to that mix and only a couple of the biggest sports power schools will be able to maintain athletic departments, no less football teams, if even that many.
Right now I'd be much more into the sports scene had the high schools and colleges never gotten into the sports biz and North America early on gone the route of the overseas private sports club model, complete with performance-based promotion and relegation between the competition levels.
When the NCAA implodes, I can see the private sports club model taking hold fairly quickly in both the USA and Canada.
Mike
The big time football and basketball schools are never going to give up having college sports. Private clubs, unless they are strongly affiliated with colleges, are never going to be anywhere near the TV draw.
What I see coming is about half of the Division I schools (all of the FBS football schools plus some of the bigger FCS and non-football schools) breaking away to form their own organization outside of the NCAA. They will come up with an athlete compensation model that (1) all member schools can afford and (2) does not provide an unfair advantage to the wealthier athletic departments.
Since my thread got locked, I'll post my comment on todays Wolverines vs. Illini game here.
Harbaugh is garbage and needs to be run out of town. We should have beaten the Illini 42-0 instead of 42-25.
Quote from: ce929wax on October 13, 2019, 02:36:30 AM
Since my thread got locked, I'll post my comment on todays Wolverines vs. Illini game here.
Harbaugh is garbage and needs to be run out of town. We should have beaten the Illini 42-0 instead of 42-25.
Just be thankful that they won, because they won't be doing much winning next week.
Once again, Arkansas snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Blew 13-7 lead in the Second Quarter and went down 24-20 vs Kentucky.
...and just lost another football recruit
Quote from: formulanone on September 23, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 22, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
Another miserable day to be a Dolphins fan. My Smokin' Jay Cutler, "don't care" shirt will be getting a lot of use this season.
One advantage to being a Dolphins fan right now: nobody will think you're on a bandwagon.
(https://i.imgur.com/iOCWLjv.jpg)
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
I also thought of the "you lose, you keep on playing" deal years ago. Finding out who is the worst of the worst would certainly be entertaining a la The Three Stooges...LOL!
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on October 16, 2019, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
I also thought of the "you lose, you keep on playing" deal years ago. Finding out who is the worst of the worst would certainly be entertaining a la The Three Stooges...LOL!
Rick
The only way I could see this happening is a game where the reward for winning is a better draft pick.
That's where other pro sports would have their relegation game. Tanking means you're a minor league team next season.
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
Well, they already have a perfect season, so I doubt they'll be concerned about any other "zero" records. :-D
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
I can foresee lots of intentional safeties...
own goals, anyone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4—2_Grenada_(1994_Caribbean_Cup_qualification)
Don't even worry about all that; I'm so used to the Dolphins being awful in the past 10-15 years that they'll make sure to fumble their chances for a winless season, winding up with the 4th-8th draft spot. Even in 2007, they managed to lose over 6 games by 3 points or less, which was frustrating, but kind of hopeful with a hapless squad. This is almost agonizing, but part of me just wants them to lose to finally stop looking at the good old "undefeated" days as the present - it's been 20 years since they won a single playoff game.
Their overall problem in that timespan is that they're rarely bad enough to be truly awful (until this year), yet barely mediocre enough to get the right draft picks. But we'll trade them on a B-class player who had two great games in his lifetime, knowing he's close enough to retirement. That's what an expansion team does the first two seasons, not a club with a half-century of history. We haven't
developed a single quarterback since the 1980s. Think about that! Not even one that suddenly got great on another team...
Usually we can look forward to beating the Pats once a year, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And next year's rebuilding isn't going to be a miracle turn-around season. Getting to 8-8 / 9-7 shouldn't be a goal for the future, but that's what Miami's ownership and front offices seem to strive for.
Quote from: formulanone on October 17, 2019, 07:42:41 AM
I can foresee lots of intentional safeties...own goals, anyone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4%E2%80%932_Grenada_(1994_Caribbean_Cup_qualification%29
Fixed link.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 17, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 17, 2019, 07:42:41 AM
I can foresee lots of intentional safeties...own goals, anyone?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_4%E2%80%932_Grenada_(1994_Caribbean_Cup_qualification%29
Fixed link.
Yeah, some of the control characters kept messing it up for some reason.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2019, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: kurumi on October 16, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Imagine a reverse NFL postseason where the worst 12 teams play, and if you lose you keep going. (However, the Tank Bowl loser also gets #1 draft pick.) The Phins would probably get a bye, but there's still the possibility of going 0-19. (Unless they "win" to the Redskins and are taunted about "1-18" for life)
Well, they already have a perfect season, so I doubt they'll be concerned about any other "zero" records. :-D
Patriots/Rams looked like a tank bowl with how those offenses were playing.
Anyways, Wisconsin has trailed for exactly 0.0 seconds this season, and is 6-1 after losing on a last second field goal to ILLINOIS.
I'm not going to say I predicted the outcome, but I just had a feeling they would be looking past IU to Ohio State, and I was right.
Fixed that for ya...
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
Anyways, Wisconsin has trailed for exactly 0.0 seconds this season, and is 6-1 after losing on a last second field goal to ILLINOIS.
I'm not going to say I predicted the outcome, but I just had a feeling they would be looking past IU UofI to Ohio State, and I was right.
As an Illinois taxpayer and raised on Indiana basketball...
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign is UofI(UC)
Indiana University is IU
I've been giving a lot of thought to the CFP scenarios after week 8. Here's a verbose version of my headspace. (Disclaimer: This is all based on AP Top 25, since CFP rankings haven't come out yet.)
Scenarios in which each conference might send 0 teams:
* ACC: Clemson loses a game. There is no one they could lose to that wouldn't be damaging (even with Wake Forest somehow at #23, but they'll certainly lose again). Not that losing a game completely eliminates them, but they would need a lot of help from other conferences losing to get back in.
* Big 10: Unlikely. The most likely scenario I see is Ohio State losing to Penn State, and then a 1-loss West champion winning. If Ohio State, Penn State, and the Big 10 champion (Wisconsin? Minnesota?) all have 1 loss, none of them are out of the conversation, but they would need help to get in. A more certain scenario involves Ohio State beating Penn State but losing to Michigan. Ohio State is then a 1-loss East representative and already clinging to playoff life. Losing the Big 10 championship would definitely knock them out, and Penn State would be out of the conversation with its loss.
* Big 12: Baylor loses to Oklahoma, and preferably also to Texas. Oklahoma loses the Big 12 championship. In fact, Oklahoma may be on the outside looking in even if it wins out, since it's currently ranked behind Oregon and Utah.
* Pac-12: The winner of Oregon-Utah loses the championship (or some other game, since there's so much parity).
* SEC: Basically impossible, but I loved thinking through this. Alabama beats LSU but loses the rivalry game to Auburn. Georgia beats Florida, loses to Auburn, but still advances to the championship, and then beats Alabama. That gives you a 2-loss SEC champion and the only 1-loss team being LSU who didn't even make it to the championship. LSU is still in the conversation, though, and I don't see them losing any other game. The question is whether you could consider LSU in this scenario but not the team that beat them. As I said, basically impossible.
Scenarios in which each conference might send 2 teams:
* ACC: Nope. No one in Coastal has a chance, and Wake Forest beating Clemson would just knock them both out.
* Big 10: Another one I had fun thinking through. There are a few possibilities here, but it all involves the SEC having a bloodbath (see 0-loss musings above). Most likely is for an undefeated Ohio State to lose in the championship to an undefeated Minnesota. As unlikely as that is, Minnesota would be automatic as a 0-loss Big 10 champion, and Ohio State would get consideration as a 1-loss conference finalist who the judges like. I don't think that Minnesota defeating Penn State has a chance to produce two playoff teams. However, if Penn State runs the table the rest of the way, a 1-loss Ohio State might actually still get consideration - there is precedent with Alabama.
* Big 12: I can't work out a plausible scenario thanks to Oklahoma's loss. That's because of their incestuous playoff structure wherein the two best teams will play twice. If they split with Baylor, neither a 1-loss Baylor nor a 2-loss Oklahoma will get much consideration. So it has to be one or the other.
* Pac-12: Nope. They have exactly one shot.
* SEC: Fairly likely, I think. Multiple scenarios are possible. If the winner of LSU/Alabama loses to the winner of Georgia/Florida, both of those teams are 12-1 if they don't lose any other games (which they theoretically wouldn't). For that matter, if the loser of LSU/Alabama also runs the table, they would finish 11-1 and still garner consideration should one of the other teams end up 11-2. Since all four of those teams are still in the conversation, at least two are likely to still be there in Week 13 unless there is a bloodbath.
My ranked order of the likelihood of playoff scenarios:
1. SEC sends a team. Done deal. Put money on it.
2. Big 10 sends a team. While no one's expecting MN to run the table, the only teams that can reasonably beat Ohio State are Penn State and Michigan. Penn State has already beaten Michigan, so they're likely to go undefeated if they win against Ohio State. If Ohio State wins vs. Penn State, they are pretty much locked into the championship even if they lose to Michigan (which you can bet against comfortably), and are unlikely to lose to the West winner. A 1-loss Ohio State champion is pretty much in.
3. Clemson. I'm ranking them down here because any loss eliminates them (and the entire ACC) barring major catastrophes in other conferences, but that is probably not going to happen.
4. SEC sends a second team. As I noted above, both the West and East winners will probably be ranked in the top 10, and the loser of LSU/Alabama is likely going to also be in the top 10. It would be a fight to argue for a 1-loss Oregon, Utah, Oklahoma, or Baylor over a 1-loss LSU or Alabama (or both).
5. Pac-12 sends a team. Oregon and Utah are both ahead of Oklahoma, so the winner of their game has an inside track to the final. It would take Baylor running the table to upset them in the order. I personally would rather see 4 conferences represented in the final, but I think the CFP judges are going to lean SEC based on precedent.
6. Big 12 sends a team. Will the winner of Oregon/Utah lose again? Sure, it's possible in the relatively competitively balanced Pac-12, but you also see that same problem in the Big 12. Again, a 1-loss Baylor or a 2-loss Oklahoma is not going to have much of a chance with the CFP.
7. Big 10 sends a second team. It's possible, but the scenarios have to play out just right. This requires a 2-loss Pac-12 champion, both Baylor and Oklahoma losing one more game, and disorder in the SEC to where a 1-loss Ohio State (the only plausible second team in the Big 10) would be ranked above the second potential SEC team (who would have to have 2 losses in this scenario, realistically).
Playoff is incredibly likely to be:
1) Alabama-LSU winner vs 4) Alabama-LSU loser
2) Ohio State-Penn State winner vs 3) Clemson
Clemson isn't losing a game, and unless one of Alabama/LSU loses 2 or the OSU/PSU winner loses a game, both of which I think are pretty unlikely, the teams who already have a loss are shut out.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 29, 2019, 07:40:15 AM
Playoff is incredibly likely to be:
1) Alabama-LSU winner vs 4) Alabama-LSU loser
2) Ohio State-Penn State winner vs 3) Clemson
Clemson isn't losing a game, and unless one of Alabama/LSU loses 2 or the OSU/PSU winner loses a game, both of which I think are pretty unlikely, the teams who already have a loss are shut out.
Odds are you hit the nail on the head. Where the fun comes in is when the hammer hits the thumb instead of the nail in terms of wild upsets all the way to the end of the regular season and conference championship games. Some season endings go as predicted while others resemble a tornado in a trailer park. Which do we get for 2019?
Rick
The committee doesn't have the stomach to do this, but I would love to see them stick Clemson at #4 (provided Alabama beats LSU, which I think will happen), so that it ensures there won't be another Bama/Clemson championship game.
Quote from: thspfc on October 29, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
The committee doesn't have the stomach to do this, but I would love to see them stick Clemson at #4 (provided Alabama beats LSU, which I think will happen), so that it ensures there won't be another Bama/Clemson championship game.
That's where they belong too. Assuming Clemson wins out they should get into the playoff by virtue of being undefeated, but they really haven't looked all that impressive compared to Alabama or even Ohio State. Whoever else gets into the CFP will at least have done something to prove themselves. Clemson has done nothing to prove themselves - it's not hard for a truly good team to run the table against the ACC, and they almost lost to UNC. All they've done this year is beat now-unranked Texas A&M, and the only thing they can do from here on out is beat whatever unranked team happens to be ahead of everybody else in the Coastal at the end of the year.
My predictions:
1. 13-0 Alabama. (!)
2. 13-0 Ohio State. They have Penn State at home, making it very tough for PSU to win that game. They're going to beat Michigan and Wisconsin/Minnesota/Iowa handily after that.
3. 13-0 Clemson. It's not impossible that they could choke on NC State, Wake, or SC, but they should win out. Should.
4. 11-1 LSU. An 11-1 LSU (loss to Bama of course) is going to get in over an 11-2 SEC East champion, or 12-1 Big 12/Pac 12 champion. They wouldn't be the first one loss, non conference champion to get in - Ohio State in 2016 and Bama in 2017 also did it, and LSU's strength of schedule is much more impressive than those two teams.
I'm not convinced an undefeated Penn State is necessarily ranked higher than an undefeated Clemson. There is also a decent chance that Georgia wins the SEC (they always play hard in the championship) and it's them plus either Bama or LSU.
Looks like the Dolphins might blow their chance at 0-16, they are up 21-7 at the half over the Jets.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 03, 2019, 02:26:38 PM
Looks like the Dolphins might blow their chance at 0-16, they are up 21-7 at the half over the Jets.
Looks like the Jets' season is going to pot. Like that's anything new.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 03, 2019, 02:26:38 PM
Looks like the Dolphins might blow their chance at 0-16, they are up 21-7 at the half over the Jets.
I don't know how to react to this situation. I'm happy and sad.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 03, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 03, 2019, 02:26:38 PM
Looks like the Dolphins might blow their chance at 0-16, they are up 21-7 at the half over the Jets.
I don't know how to react to this situation. I'm happy and sad.
Turns out the Dolphins are so bad that they failed at failing final score; 26-18. Probably will end up being a net win for fan bases not wanting NFL teams to start the practice of tanking seasons. So now the Jets are a legitimate competitor for that number one pick. Right now Cincinnati controls their own destiny if they go winless.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 03, 2019, 04:25:11 PM
Right now Cincinnati controls their own destiny if they go winless.
Bengals still have to play the Jets and Dolphins, plus the Jets still have the Redskins, and of course, the Jets and Dolphins meet again at 16W.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 03, 2019, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 03, 2019, 04:25:11 PM
Right now Cincinnati controls their own destiny if they go winless.
Bengals still have to play the Jets and Dolphins, plus the Jets still have the Redskins, and of course, the Jets and Dolphins meet again at 16W.
Yes, in theory the Bengals could lock up the first pick by virtue of tanking the rest of away given they are the only winless team.
Tank bowls abound in the NFL. The Jets were extremely terrible today, the score doesn't begin to describe their awfulness.
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 9, 2018) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 04, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 8, 2019) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Since you already know the result of a game taking place next month, can you tell me who will win the Super Bowl?
Quote from: 1 on November 04, 2019, 07:06:32 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 04, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 8, 2019) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Since you already know the result of a game taking place next month, can you tell me who will win the Super Bowl?
Jets.
Quote from: 1 on November 04, 2019, 07:06:32 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 04, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 8, 2019) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Since you already know the result of a game taking place next month, can you tell me who will win the Super Bowl?
thanks. got my 8's and 9's mixed up.
Quote from: Alps on November 04, 2019, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 04, 2019, 07:06:32 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 04, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 8, 2019) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Since you already know the result of a game taking place next month, can you tell me who will win the Super Bowl?
Jets.
Have any teams actually been eliminated from playoff contention at this point?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Have any teams actually been eliminated from playoff contention at this point?
No, but some might as well be, at this point.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 04, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Have any teams actually been eliminated from playoff contention at this point?
No, but some might as well be, at this point.
Hey, the Jets in "theory" could finish 9-7 and make it in as a Wild Card to create the scenario Alps described above. I'd love to see some team go on some crazy long losing streak but sneak into the playoffs as a 8-8 or 9-7 team. I know more than a handful of 0-4 teams ended up making playoff berths but I don't believe there has ever been an 0-5 to make it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 04, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 04, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Have any teams actually been eliminated from playoff contention at this point?
No, but some might as well be, at this point.
Hey, the Jets in "theory" could finish 9-7 and make it in as a Wild Card to create the scenario Alps described above. I'd love to see some team go on some crazy long losing streak but sneak into the playoffs as a 8-8 or 9-7 team. I know more than a handful of 0-4 teams ended up making playoff berths but I don't believe there has ever been an 0-5 to make it.
Packers had 6 losses a little over halfway through the season and made it a few years ago. Though that was a bit sketchy because of Aaron Rodgers' "run the table" witchcraft. Paranormal forces acted on them that year.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 04, 2019, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: 1 on November 04, 2019, 07:06:32 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 04, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Last time the Dolphins won a game (Dec 8, 2019) was also the second to last time the Patriots lost, until today. Against the Dolphins of course, in the infamous Miami Miracle! Probably the best day of my life. So glad I was there to witness that.
Since you already know the result of a game taking place next month, can you tell me who will win the Super Bowl?
Jets.
Have any teams actually been eliminated from playoff contention at this point?
After thinking this through, I think if it's three teams in a division are 8-0, and one is 0-8, with the three winning teams beating the losing team twice, and the losing team also losing to two conference opponents, I'm trying real hard to think of a way they can still be in it if they win the next 8 games. Due to dvision and conference tie breaker guidelines, I don't think they could possibly make it into the playoffs.
Some of the reasoning includes, that be 3 winning division opponents still need to play each other choice each. Even if one were to win the 4 other division games against the other two, the other two games will either split, or one team will win two. Since the 0-8 team has already lost against two conference opponents they still have four other conference opponents to play. I don't foresee it being possible for the other nine non first-place place teams in a conference to all go 4-8 in the conference, which would allow the 0-8 team to squeak in at 8-8 in this scenerio with 4 conference wins.
So while it's possible, they would need a horribly stacked schedule to allow for this.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
After thinking this through, I think if it's three teams in a division are 8-0, and one is 0-8, with the three winning teams beating the losing team twice
Not possible with the Current schedule formula, as one of your 6 Intra-Divisional games must be played Week 17. So the 0-8 team could be 0-5 against the 3 Divisional opponents by end of Week 8 (would still be highly unusual), but simply not possible to be 0-6 inside the Division until Week 17
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2019, 09:58:48 PM
and the losing team also losing to two conference opponents, I'm trying real hard to think of a way they can still be in it if they win the next 8 games. Due to dvision and conference tie breaker guidelines, I don't think they could possibly make it into the playoffs.
Some of the reasoning includes, that be 3 winning division opponents still need to play each other choice each. Even if one were to win the 4 other division games against the other two, the other two games will either split, or one team will win two. Since the 0-8 team has already lost against two conference opponents they still have four other conference opponents to play. I don't foresee it being possible for the other nine non first-place place teams in a conference to all go 4-8 in the conference, which would allow the 0-8 team to squeak in at 8-8 in this scenerio with 4 conference wins.
So while it's possible, they would need a horribly stacked schedule to allow for this.
I don't think it is possible
Quote from: jakeroot on November 03, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
I don't know how to react to this situation. I'm happy and sad.
I'm indifferent about Jets/Dolphins, but this does describe my feelings about Pats/Ravens.
On the one hand, a Ravens win is worse for the Bill's playoff chances. And I'm not a big Ravens fan.. in fact, they are probably one of my least favorite teams after the Patriots. On the other hand, a Pats loss is a good thing, no matter who pulls it off! So I guess overall, I'm slightly more happy than sad.
I thought it was kind of cool that the Dolphins won and the Patriots lost in the same week. It brings the upper and lower bounds back down to earth and up from the grave, respectively (and lets be honest, both narratives had gotten out of control); and that's a good thing for the league.
Oh, and on the topic of the Jets making the playoffs / winning the Super Bowl:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/an-nfl-team-will-probably-go-from-last-place-to-the-playoffs-could-it-be-the-jets/
Quote from: webny99 on November 05, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
I thought it was kind of cool that the Dolphins won and the Patriots lost in the same week. It brings the upper and lower bounds back down to earth and up from the grave, respectively (and lets be honest, both narratives had gotten out of control); and that's a good thing for the league.
I will have to agree with this. Both teams were starting to play into a stereotype. Then again, I was fine with an 0-16 year for the Dolphins if it meant a #1 pick.
I still think the Bengals will get at least 2 wins, if not 3 or 4. The Jets should (key word there) pick up a few more wins, as well.
So, the #1 pick is still within reach for the Dolphins, even if it got less likely after Sunday. My prediction is if anyone ruins it, it'll be the Jets, not the Bengals.
We shouldn't forget the Falcons and Redskins both still have just one win each, too.
BREAKING: The Jets have signed the Monday night football black cat to a 1 year, $2.6 billion contract.
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 06, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Probably not lightning but possibly an arrowhead.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 06, 2019, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 06, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Probably not lightning but possibly an arrowhead.
If the Texans weren't in the same conference as Tom Brady, I would say they have a chance.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 06, 2019, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 06, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Probably not lightning but possibly an arrowhead.
Who would be the Contenders?
Vikings? Texans? Bills? Panthers? Maybe Chargers?
Quote from: thspfc on November 06, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 06, 2019, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 06, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Probably not lightning but possibly an arrowhead.
If the Texans weren't in the same conference as Tom Brady, I would say they have a chance.
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 06, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
Who would be the Contenders?
Vikings? Texans? Bills? Panthers? Maybe Chargers?
Uh, I think you guys missed the joke: Not lightning (Chargers), but possibly an arrowhead (Chiefs). Only problem is, the Chiefs won Super Bowl IV.
I would actually say the Texans are the most likely. The Vikings are the better team, but can never seem to pull off wins as underdogs, which doesn't bode well for the playoffs, especially in the more competitive NFC.
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 06, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 06, 2019, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on November 06, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
So far, we got lots of teams who won a 1st league championship this year with the St. Louis Blues (NHL), Toronto Raptors (NBA) and Washington Nationals (MLB). Will the lightning strike again for the upcoming SuperBowl?
Probably not lightning but possibly an arrowhead.
If the Texans weren't in the same conference as Tom Brady, I would say they have a chance.
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 06, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
Who would be the Contenders?
Vikings? Texans? Bills? Panthers? Maybe Chargers?
Uh, I think you guys missed the joke: Not lightning (Chargers), but possibly an arrowhead (Chiefs). Only problem is, the Chiefs won Super Bowl IV.
I would actually say the Texans are the most likely. The Vikings are the better team, but can never seem to pull off wins as underdogs, which doesn't bode well for the playoffs, especially in the more competitive NFC.
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
The Bengals might be able to pull it off if they get through Miami in week 16.
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
Some like the Lions and Browns have also won NFL Championships.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 08, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
Some like the Lions and Browns have also won NFL Championships.
As have the Cardinals. Bills, Chargers, and Titans (as the Oilers) won AFL Championships.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 08, 2019, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 08, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
Some like the Lions and Browns have also won NFL Championships.
As have the Cardinals. Bills, Chargers, and Titans (as the Oilers) won AFL Championships.
If memory serves correct the Cardinals have the longest championship drought dating back to 1947? Shame so much of the pre-Super Bowl era either gets forgotten or dismissed.
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
They have
not, however, won a Super Bowl, which is what we're talking about here.
I know the Bills appeared in 4 consecutive Super Bowls, but they were all losses, which is one of the most absurd things in sports history especially considering they haven't made it to the Super Bowl before or since.
This year's Pats could tie the Bills record for 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances, which is another reason I'm particularly anti-Pats this season. I'm hoping for the Chiefs to take them out, but at the end of the day I don't really care
who does it as long as
someone does it!
Quote from: webny99 on November 08, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
They have not, however, won a Super Bowl, which is what we're talking about here.
I know the Bills appeared in 4 consecutive Super Bowls, but they were all losses, which is one of the most absurd things in sports history especially considering they haven't made it to the Super Bowl before or since.
This year's Pats could tie the Bills record for 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances, which is another reason I'm particularly anti-Pats this season. I'm hoping for the Chiefs to take them out, but at the end of the day I don't really care who does it as long as someone does it!
Ravens are more likely to beat them than KC, but let's be real.
Nobody,
nobody, wins in Foxborough in the playoffs.
Quote from: webny99 on November 08, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on November 08, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 06, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
After that, in order of likelihood: Panthers, Chargers, Bills, Jaguars, Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Falcons, Bengals.
6 of those should not be on this list because they have already won their first league title
They have not, however, won a Super Bowl, which is what we're talking about here.
I know the Bills appeared in 4 consecutive Super Bowls, but they were all losses, which is one of the most absurd things in sports history especially considering they haven't made it to the Super Bowl before or since.
This year's Pats could tie the Bills record for 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances, which is another reason I'm particularly anti-Pats this season. I'm hoping for the Chiefs to take them out, but at the end of the day I don't really care who does it as long as someone does it!
Had the Super Bowl started a year earlier, Buffalo would have played in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_American_Football_League_Championship_Game
Guess who they would have faced? Yup, the guy who the trophy is now named after:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_NFL_Championship_Game
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo. When reading about the teams these two teams beat in their respective league championships, they wound up in the same bad barrel. San Diego went 0-2 in Super Bowls while Cleveland never made it that far. Not until the franchise had relocated to Baltimore, which had known winning championship football, did the team get the title. On top of that, Baltimore was the location for the team which won the CFL title:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Stallions
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo.
...
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
I'm not sure I follow... are those two statements supposed to be related to one another? :hmmm:
(Of course, I don't necessarily believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl, but that's another topic...)
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo.
...
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
I'm not sure I follow... are those two statements supposed to be related to one another? :hmmm:
(Of course, I don't necessarily believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl, but that's another topic...)
Uh, sorry you cannot connect the dots. Let me put it this way. Some cities pile up winners and other cities pile up losers. Got it? Good.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on November 09, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo.
...
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
I'm not sure I follow... are those two statements supposed to be related to one another? :hmmm:
(Of course, I don't necessarily believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl, but that's another topic...)
Uh, sorry you cannot connect the dots. Let me put it this way. Some cities pile up winners and other cities pile up losers. Got it? Good.
Rick
Yeah, after the Cubs won, I don't think that makes sense. Got it? Good.
Quote from: nexus73 on November 09, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo.
...
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
I'm not sure I follow... are those two statements supposed to be related to one another? :hmmm:
(Of course, I don't necessarily believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl, but that's another topic...)
Uh, sorry you cannot connect the dots. Let me put it this way. Some cities pile up winners and other cities pile up losers. Got it? Good.
It has nothing to do with location and everything to do with coaching, management, and ownership.
For example: the Browns don't suck because they're in Cleveland. They suck because the Haslams seem unable to hire competent coaches and managers, who are thus unable to find competent players.
^^^^
I think there's something to be said about location. Miami does not play well in Foxborough during the late fall or winter when it's cold (and because they're not a good team), but New England historically struggles in Miami too. Because of the heat? Certainly possible.
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Cleveland never made it that far. Not until the franchise had relocated to Baltimore, which had known winning championship football, did the team get the title.
Technically, for official sake, the Browns haven't made it since 1964. All of the team records from pre-1995 remain in Cleveland. The Ravens are officially deemed as an "expansion" franchise, while the Browns were officially considered dormant for 3 years before being revived with the unofficial expansion franchise for the 99 season as part of the deal struck with Art Modell when he uprooted to Baltimore. By the time the Ravens won the Super Bowl, most Cleveland players were gone.
Quote from: Alps on November 10, 2019, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on November 09, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 09, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on November 08, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
Looks like there will never be a path to get the title for poor Buffalo.
...
As they say in the realtor game, "Location, location, location"....LOL!
I'm not sure I follow... are those two statements supposed to be related to one another? :hmmm:
(Of course, I don't necessarily believe the Bills will never win a Super Bowl, but that's another topic...)
Uh, sorry you cannot connect the dots. Let me put it this way. Some cities pile up winners and other cities pile up losers. Got it? Good.
Rick
Yeah, after the Cubs won, I don't think that makes sense. Got it? Good.
Bulls. Bears. Blackhawks. All champions at one point. Got it? GREEEEAAAATTTTT!!!!
Some of you folks have a hard time with dots :-(
Rick
I ran correlations. Data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_by_number_of_professional_sports_championships.
1 is a perfect correlation; 0 is no correlation; -1 is perfectly anticorrelated. For each comparison, cities with only one of the two relevant teams are ignored.
MLB and NBA: 0.202
NBA and NFL: 0.257
NFL and NHL: 0.553
NHL and MLS: -0.164
MLB and NFL: 0.452
NBA and NHL: 0.324
NFL and MLS: -0.161
MLB and NHL: 0.537
NBA and MLS: 0.132
MLB and MLS: -0.191
MLB, NFL, and NHL seem to be strongly correlated, while NBA is weakly correlated with the first three, and MLS, if any, is negative. Note that some of the correlation can be explained by larger cities having more opportunities for championships (multiple teams and/or teams for longer periods of time).
Quote from: 1 on November 10, 2019, 09:50:37 AM
I ran correlations. Data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_by_number_of_professional_sports_championships.
1 is a perfect correlation; 0 is no correlation; -1 is perfectly anticorrelated. For each comparison, cities with only one of the two relevant teams are ignored.
MLB and NBA: 0.202
NBA and NFL: 0.257
NFL and NHL: 0.553
NHL and MLS: -0.164
MLB and NFL: 0.452
NBA and NHL: 0.324
NFL and MLS: -0.161
MLB and NHL: 0.537
NBA and MLS: 0.132
MLB and MLS: -0.191
MLB, NFL, and NHL seem to be strongly correlated, while NBA is weakly correlated with the first three, and MLS, if any, is negative. Note that some of the correlation can be explained by larger cities having more opportunities for championships (multiple teams and/or teams for longer periods of time).
In conclusion, there is little correlation between sports teams' amount of success compared to others in that city.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 10, 2019, 01:37:19 AM
^^^^
I think there's something to be said about location. Miami does not play well in Foxborough during the late fall or winter when it's cold (and because they're not a good team), but New England historically struggles in Miami too. Because of the heat? Certainly possible.
While true, that's not exactly relevant because we're talking about good or bad overall, not specific to a location, an opponent, or the weather conditions.
Quote from: webny99 on November 10, 2019, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 10, 2019, 01:37:19 AM
^^^^
I think there's something to be said about location. Miami does not play well in Foxborough during the late fall or winter when it's cold (and because they're not a good team), but New England historically struggles in Miami too. Because of the heat? Certainly possible.
While true, that's not exactly relevant because we're talking about good or bad overall, not specific to a location, an opponent, or the weather conditions.
I understood that after I posted my comment. But I liked what I said so I kept it up.
Quote from: 1 on November 10, 2019, 09:50:37 AM
I ran correlations. Data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_by_number_of_professional_sports_championships.
1 is a perfect correlation; 0 is no correlation; -1 is perfectly anticorrelated. For each comparison, cities with only one of the two relevant teams are ignored.
MLB and NBA: 0.202
NBA and NFL: 0.257
NFL and NHL: 0.553
NHL and MLS: -0.164
MLB and NFL: 0.452
NBA and NHL: 0.324
NFL and MLS: -0.161
MLB and NHL: 0.537
NBA and MLS: 0.132
MLB and MLS: -0.191
MLB, NFL, and NHL seem to be strongly correlated, while NBA is weakly correlated with the first three, and MLS, if any, is negative. Note that some of the correlation can be explained by larger cities having more opportunities for championships (multiple teams and/or teams for longer periods of time).
My next step is to just call him a Boomer and walk away.
Quote from: 1 on November 10, 2019, 09:50:37 AM
I ran correlations. Data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_by_number_of_professional_sports_championships.
Somebody clearly has way too much time on their hands. :-D
Quote from: webny99 on November 08, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
They have not, however, won a Super Bowl, which is what we're talking about here.
No it is not. The term used in the post that started this was "League championship."
But anyway, If the word "Super Bowl" had never been invented and they just kept using the term "NFL Championship" from 1970 on we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It would be just like the other 3 leagues whose old time titles get to count just as much as modern ones regardless of how many expansions, mergers or playoff format changes have occurred over the years, all because the name of the championship round has remained the same.
Could 2019 be the year Alabama miss the college football Playoffs? right now if the playoff selection was to be made today, it would be:
1) LSU
2) Clemsom
3) Baylor
4) Ohio State/Minnesota
Alabama chances would be none if any 4 of these 5 teams finish undefeated.
Quote from: cwf1701 on November 12, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
Could 2019 be the year Alabama miss the college football Playoffs? right now if the playoff selection was to be made today, it would be:
1) LSU
2) Clemsom
3) Baylor
4) Ohio State/Minnesota
Alabama chances would be none if any 4 of these 5 teams finish undefeated.
Have you been paying any attention whatsoever? Baylor is 12th in the AP Poll right now, while even one-loss Alabama is still fourth. In the playoff rankings tonight, I would expect LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, and Alabama to be the top four, in that order.
Quote from: thspfc on November 12, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: cwf1701 on November 12, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
Could 2019 be the year Alabama miss the college football Playoffs? right now if the playoff selection was to be made today, it would be:
1) LSU
2) Clemsom
3) Baylor
4) Ohio State/Minnesota
Alabama chances would be none if any 4 of these 5 teams finish undefeated.
Have you been paying any attention whatsoever? Baylor is 12th in the AP Poll right now, while even one-loss Alabama is still fourth. In the playoff rankings tonight, I would expect LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, and Alabama to be the top four, in that order.
Minnesota was 17th I think before the Penn State game? They deserve to be in the Top 10 but not the Top 5.
Quote from: thspfc on November 12, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: cwf1701 on November 12, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
Could 2019 be the year Alabama miss the college football Playoffs? right now if the playoff selection was to be made today, it would be:
1) LSU
2) Clemsom
3) Baylor
4) Ohio State/Minnesota
Alabama chances would be none if any 4 of these 5 teams finish undefeated.
Have you been paying any attention whatsoever? Baylor is 12th in the AP Poll right now, while even one-loss Alabama is still fourth. In the playoff rankings tonight, I would expect LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, and Alabama to be the top four, in that order.
The "if 4 of these 5 teams finish undefeated" part rings true.
I agree that if LSU, Clemson, Baylor, and Minnesota or Ohio State (one would lose to the other) all finish undefeated, then that is the playoff field.
Welp, somebody's in deep doo-doo...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk)
Quote from: LM117 on November 15, 2019, 08:24:20 AM
Welp, somebody's in deep doo-doo...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk)
That is assault with a weapon. But a suspension and fine are all he’s going to get.
^^ He is suspended for at least the rest of this season. Fine amount to be disclosed
Ban him for life. That was terrible.
Quote from: US 89 on November 15, 2019, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: LM117 on November 15, 2019, 08:24:20 AM
Welp, somebody's in deep doo-doo...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eef-l5pcEIk)
That is assault with a weapon. But a suspension and fine are all he's going to get.
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 03:35:53 AM
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Says the one who chases tornadoes for fun.
Yet another "˜mistake by the lake', no doubt about it.
Quote from: thspfc on November 16, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 03:35:53 AM
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Says the one who chases tornadoes for fun.
How are those two things even related? (Never mind the fact that I've never gone storm chasing–although I'd like to!)
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 16, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 03:35:53 AM
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Says the one who chases tornadoes for fun.
How are those two things even related? (Never mind the fact that I've never gone storm chasing–although I'd like to!)
I was under the impression that was Jmoses who was the storm chaser? Anyways, haven't a couple hockey players actually been charged when there has been some pretty extreme acts like smashing someone in the face with a stick?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 16, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 03:35:53 AM
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Says the one who chases tornadoes for fun.
How are those two things even related? (Never mind the fact that I've never gone storm chasing–although I'd like to!)
I was under the impression that was Jmoses who was the storm chaser?
In any event, if what he's trying to imply is that storm chasing is illegal, well... it is not.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 16, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 16, 2019, 03:35:53 AM
Cleveland PD should've come on the field and arrested him. But since it's a sport, anything goes, I guess.
Says the one who chases tornadoes for fun.
How are those two things even related? (Never mind the fact that I've never gone storm chasing–although I'd like to!)
I was under the impression that was Jmoses who was the storm chaser?
In any event, if what he's trying to imply is that storm chasing is illegal, well... it is not.
Off hand I don't know if any states that have laws against the practice. Risking your own life and limb while not endangering others is a far leap from smashing someone in the head with blunt object.
I just noticed the line in the Ohio State/Rutgers game is 52 points. I would say that is absurd for a major conference point spread but Rutgers makes me question sometimes how they are even in D1 (I know it's call some other silly name now that sounds like a neighborhood) much less the Big Ten.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
I just noticed the line in the Ohio State/Rutgers game is 52 points. I would say that is absurd for a major conference point spread but Rutgers makes me question sometimes how they are even in D1 (I know it's call some other silly name now that sounds like a neighborhood) much less the Big Ten.
Northwestern had a line of 39 today. They had scored 38 total in their 5 previous games and still hit the line.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 16, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
I just noticed the line in the Ohio State/Rutgers game is 52 points. I would say that is absurd for a major conference point spread but Rutgers makes me question sometimes how they are even in D1 (I know it's call some other silly name now that sounds like a neighborhood) much less the Big Ten.
They are D1 (or whatever) and in the Big Ten because they open up television markets and bring more money to the Conference. Nothing else matters anymore.
28-3 claims another unsuspecting victim. The spookiest score in football.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=401112082 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=401112082)
Looks like Myles Garrett will appeal his indefinite suspension...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/browns-myles-garrett-appeal-suspension (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/browns-myles-garrett-appeal-suspension)
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week. This will probably be the most exciting Wisconsin-Minnesota rivalry game I've seen since I started college. Not only will both teams have the Big Ten West title on the line, this could also be a revenge game for us because if we win, we get to take Paul Bunyan's Axe back from Minnesota since they won against us last year. This game will be intense!
Quote from: MantyMadTown on November 25, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week.
I want to watch this game, but the one Gophers game I've watched this year, they lost. So I'm a little torn. :-D
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 25, 2019, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on November 25, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week.
I want to watch this game, but the one Gophers game I've watched this year, they lost. So I'm a little torn. :-D
Please, by all means, watch them again :bigass:
Quote from: DaBigE on November 26, 2019, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 25, 2019, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on November 25, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week.
I want to watch this game, but the one Gophers game I've watched this year, they lost. So I'm a little torn. :-D
Please, by all means, watch them again :bigass:
I always thought it was odd that the Minnesota Football program was one of the best in the Country before the mid-20th Century. Interestingly the Golden Gophers have 7 claimed national championships.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2019, 01:00:10 AM
I always thought it was odd that the Minnesota Football program was one of the best in the Country before the mid-20th Century. Interestingly the Golden Gophers have 7 claimed national championships.
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger, or the World Series that the then-Washington Senators won. I guess the latter is a bit different, though.
Or after anyone (in MN) cares, in the case of the former Minnesota North Stars.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2019, 01:00:10 AM
I always thought it was odd that the Minnesota Football program was one of the best in the Country before the mid-20th Century. Interestingly the Golden Gophers have 7 claimed national championships.
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger, or the World Series that the then-Washington Senators won. I guess the latter is a bit different, though.
Or after anyone (in MN) cares, in the case of the former Minnesota North Stars.
...or the Minneapolis Lakers, the predecessors to L.A.'s premier sports franchise.
I'm calling it now: Jets and Ravens in the Super Bowl.
"B-but that can't happen..." you say.
Nobody thought Brexit would happen either.
"B-but Brexit hasn't happened! There was only the referendum!"
You know what I mean.
If you're tired of the dynasty from B*, M* on I-95, an hour's flight from New York, get ready for another dynasty from B*, M* on I-95, an hour's flight from New York :-)
Quote from: kurumi on November 27, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
I'm calling it now: Jets and Ravens in the Super Bowl.
"B-but that can't happen..." you say.
Nobody thought Brexit would happen either.
"B-but Brexit hasn't happened! There was only the referendum!"
You know what I mean.
If you're tired of the dynasty from B*, M* on I-95, an hour's flight from New York, get ready for another dynasty from B*, M* on I-95, an hour's flight from New York :-)
I do like the Ravens to make the SB this year, but as for a Jets/Ravens SB, I do think the NFL would be well-served to eliminate conferences, and seed the playoffs as a single bracket with teams seeded 1-12, opening up the possibility that any two teams could meet in the Super Bowl.
Who will win the Super Bowl? :popcorn:
The Saints and Chiefs (and Rams, of course) all look considerably worse than they did last season.
My prediction is that the conference championships will be NFC West Winner (Niners or Seahawks) vs. Vikings and a rematch of Pats vs. Ravens. After that, who knows.
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
Who will win the Super Bowl? :popcorn:
The Saints and Chiefs (and Rams, of course) all look considerably worse than they did last season.
My prediction is that the conference championships will be NFC West Winner (Niners or Seahawks) vs. Vikings and a rematch of Pats vs. Ravens. After that, who knows.
Bingo. Now to see if injuries affect the "obvious" outcomes. That is when things get interesting!
Rick
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
Who will win the Super Bowl? :popcorn:
The Saints and Chiefs (and Rams, of course) all look considerably worse than they did last season.
My prediction is that the conference championships will be NFC West Winner (Niners or Seahawks) vs. Vikings and a rematch of Pats vs. Ravens. After that, who knows.
The Saints? That defense looked pretty killer when Drew Brees was out. I'd attribute the poor play you're seeing right now to having a massive lead in the Division. The 49ers couldn't come up big (granted the back up kicker didn't help) against the Seahawks. Usually teams fresh to the top tier of the NFL usually don't crack out clutch wins unless they stick around a year or two. I'd still bet on the Saints to make the Super Bowl from the NFC. With the Ravens my biggest question is when will the NFL defenses start figuring out that offense? Running quarterbacks traditionally haven't been able to maintain that style of play like what is going with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson at a top level for very long.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
The 49ers couldn't come up big (granted the back up kicker didn't help) against the Seahawks.
I think that has less to do with the Niners being flawed (they just demolished the Packers 43-8!), and more to do with Russell Wilson being exceptionally good at getting the W close games.
Just this season alone:
Bengals 20, Seahawks 21
Steelers 26, Seahawks 28
Rams 29, Seahawks 30
Browns 28, Seahawks 32
Bucs 34, Seahawks 40
... and of course Niners 24, Seahawks 27.
Today is a glorious football day!
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
Today is a glorious football day!
What a comeback for UVA! Took them the better half/part of 15 years...
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
Today is a glorious football day!
Yes, seeing highlights of the "Dog Pee Touchdown" fiasco all day was highly amusing. :-D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 29, 2019, 05:33:40 PM
Today is a glorious football day!
Yes, seeing highlights of the "Dog Pee Touchdown" fiasco all day was highly amusing. :-D
That play needs to lead off "C'Mon Man!" this Monday night.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 25, 2019, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on November 25, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week.
I want to watch this game, but the one Gophers game I've watched this year, they lost. So I'm a little torn. :-D
If you did decide to watch the game, a
BIG thank you. :)
Now, I just hope we learned from our last go-around with Ohio State.
Quote from: DaBigE on November 30, 2019, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 25, 2019, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: MantyMadTown on November 25, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
I'm super excited to see my college team (the Badgers) play Minnesota next week.
I want to watch this game, but the one Gophers game I've watched this year, they lost. So I'm a little torn. :-D
If you did decide to watch the game, a BIG thank you. :)
Now, I just hope we learned from our last go-around with Ohio State.
Do what Harbaugh can't. It won't stop them from reaching the CFP, but at least take the title.
Looks like the Bengals might get off the winless list the way things are going. It also looks like the Steelers are going to beat the Browns. Considering how much the Steelers lost to injury and "other" Mike Tomlin should be pretty high up in Coach of the Year voting for just having them in playoff contention.
I was hoping for a Minnesota win, because I don't really like the idea of playing the same team twice in one season (and also because it would have meant having yet another team make their first B1G title game appearance before Michigan)
though at least it's not playing the same team in the same stadium in consecutive weeks like Memphis and Cincinnati
Quote from: Buck87 on December 02, 2019, 10:27:10 AM
though at least it's not playing the same team in the same stadium in consecutive weeks like Memphis and Cincinnati
This should be Conference Scheduling 101: no cross-division games in the final week! The championship not being at a neutral site just compounds the problem.
As for my own team, I'm just glad this season's over. At least I was spared from seeing the offense shut out for a third time this season, even if it did require a muffed punt in the red zone to accomplish it.
Quote from: Alps on November 01, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
How about the London Blighties? London Dickens? The British Humours?
London Fogs.
Quote from: Eth on December 02, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 02, 2019, 10:27:10 AM
though at least it's not playing the same team in the same stadium in consecutive weeks like Memphis and Cincinnati
This should be Conference Scheduling 101: no cross-division games in the final week! The championship not being at a neutral site just compounds the problem.
As for my own team, I'm just glad this season's over. At least I was spared from seeing the offense shut out for a third time this season, even if it did require a muffed punt in the red zone to accomplish it.
In the AAC, that's possible because they have 6-team divisions. For the conferences with 7-team divisions, this is unavoidable, though they can do what the BIG does and pick a pair of teams that are never ever going to meet the following week for their crossover game.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Hank Stram had a great time on the sidelines for the last AFL-NFL Super Bowl. Here is a film with such classics as "Chinese fire drill" and "matriculate it down the field boys" as said by him during the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKKVcFvKys4
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on December 02, 2019, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Hank Stram had a great time on the sidelines for the last AFL-NFL Super Bowl. Here is a film with such classics as "Chinese fire drill" and "matriculate it down the field boys" as said by him during the game.
Dallas won two NFL Championships in the 1960s, as well.
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
The 49ers couldn't come up big (granted the back up kicker didn't help) against the Seahawks.
I think that has less to do with the Niners being flawed, and more to do with Russell Wilson being exceptionally good at getting the W close games.
On the opposite end of the spectrum from the Seahawks, we have the Chargers, who never fail to find
yet another way to inexplicably lose a close game. Yesterday's loss to the Broncos is their 8th loss of the season, and
all 8 have been by a TD or less.
But then again, how could you expect anything else from this team (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAL5X3TRA2A)?
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on December 02, 2019, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Hank Stram had a great time on the sidelines for the last AFL-NFL Super Bowl. Here is a film with such classics as "Chinese fire drill" and "matriculate it down the field boys" as said by him during the game.
Dallas won two NFL Championships in the 1960s, as well.
They made the playoffs in the 1966 and 1967 seasons, but they were not championship seasons, NFL nor Super Bowls.
Quote from: Big John on December 02, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on December 02, 2019, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Hank Stram had a great time on the sidelines for the last AFL-NFL Super Bowl. Here is a film with such classics as "Chinese fire drill" and "matriculate it down the field boys" as said by him during the game.
Dallas won two NFL Championships in the 1960s, as well.
They made the playoffs in the 1966 and 1967 seasons, but they were not championship seasons, NFL nor Super Bowls.
The only Dallas team to win a football championship in the Sixties was the Dallas Texans of the AFL. That team moved to KC and became the Chiefs.
Rick
Quote from: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 26, 2019, 01:27:44 AM
It is fully typical of Minnesota sports to win championships before anyone cares. No one ever mentions the NFL championship the Vikings won the year before the merger,
Because that was the year of Super Bowl IV, where they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, the first of their 4 super bowl losses?
Hmm, you're right. For some reason, I thought that was before the Super Bowl era. My mistake.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 02, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: Eth on December 02, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 02, 2019, 10:27:10 AM
though at least it's not playing the same team in the same stadium in consecutive weeks like Memphis and Cincinnati
This should be Conference Scheduling 101: no cross-division games in the final week! The championship not being at a neutral site just compounds the problem.
As for my own team, I'm just glad this season's over. At least I was spared from seeing the offense shut out for a third time this season, even if it did require a muffed punt in the red zone to accomplish it.
In the AAC, that's possible because they have 6-team divisions. For the conferences with 7-team divisions, this is unavoidable, though they can do what the BIG does and pick a pair of teams that are never ever going to meet the following week for their crossover game.
True, though as an ACC guy, I'm used to about a third of the conference playing non-conference rivalry games in the final week instead. So while we have 7-team divisions, we only have 6 in the Coastal and 4 in the Atlantic playing conference games the last week.
Quote from: Eth on December 03, 2019, 08:31:57 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 02, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: Eth on December 02, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on December 02, 2019, 10:27:10 AM
though at least it's not playing the same team in the same stadium in consecutive weeks like Memphis and Cincinnati
This should be Conference Scheduling 101: no cross-division games in the final week! The championship not being at a neutral site just compounds the problem.
As for my own team, I'm just glad this season's over. At least I was spared from seeing the offense shut out for a third time this season, even if it did require a muffed punt in the red zone to accomplish it.
In the AAC, that's possible because they have 6-team divisions. For the conferences with 7-team divisions, this is unavoidable, though they can do what the BIG does and pick a pair of teams that are never ever going to meet the following week for their crossover game.
True, though as an ACC guy, I'm used to about a third of the conference playing non-conference rivalry games in the final week instead. So while we have 7-team divisions, we only have 6 in the Coastal and 4 in the Atlantic playing conference games the last week.
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Quote from: thspfc on December 04, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Sometimes there's a 5th team that's fun to talk about, like Boise State or UCF. But we all know they're not real.
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 04, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Sometimes there's a 5th team that's fun to talk about, like Boise State or UCF. But we all know they're not real.
Uh, Boise State has had some outstanding seasons. Remember their win over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl along with a win over TCU in the same venue? UCF had an undefeated season recently that saw them beat Auburn, which beat Alabama, who was playing for the title. Both teams finished #2 in the final polls. Not real? Get real!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_UCF_Knights_football_team
Rick
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 04, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Sometimes there's a 5th team that's fun to talk about, like Boise State or UCF. But we all know they're not real.
Boise States real enough to appear frequently in one of the New Years bowls over the last 10 years. They shared that with NIU, in-conference rival Fresno State, and Marshall briefly for a few years in the early 2010s and UCF in the last few years.
Quote from: ET21 on December 05, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 04, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Sometimes there's a 5th team that's fun to talk about, like Boise State or UCF. But we all know they're not real.
Boise States real enough to appear frequently in one of the New Years bowls over the last 10 years. They shared that with NIU, in-conference rival Fresno State, and Marshall briefly for a few years in the early 2010s and UCF in the last few years.
True, UCF did win the natty in 2017. How could I forget.
In all seriousness though, they legitimately could have been in the playoff field that year, though that's easy to say two years later. They beat Auburn, who beat both the national champion and runner-up during the regular season (but Auburn also did lose to Georgia in the SEC championship).
Quote from: ET21 on December 05, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 04, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 03, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Wait, there's more than one team in the ACC?
Wait, there's more than four teams in all of college football?
Sometimes there's a 5th team that's fun to talk about, like Boise State or UCF. But we all know they're not real.
Boise States real enough to appear frequently in one of the New Years bowls over the last 10 years. They shared that with NIU, in-conference rival Fresno State, and Marshall briefly for a few years in the early 2010s and UCF in the last few years.
Hey guys, it's the Internet. Sarcasm is implied.
So how bout dem Cowboys? :bigass: :-D
The high point of Mitchell Trubisky's career.
Quote from: ET21 on December 06, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
So how bout dem Cowboys? :bigass: :-D
Yes, they aren't a very good team that probably will win a really bad division with a losing record. If it was any other fan base I think the expectations for the Cowboys would have been much more realistic this year. They went 10-6 in 2018 it wasn't like they won 12-14 games.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2019, 09:46:45 AM
Quote from: ET21 on December 06, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
So how bout dem Cowboys? :bigass: :-D
Yes, they aren’t a very good team that probably will win a really bad division with a losing record. If it was any other fan base I think the expectations for the Cowboys would have been much more realistic this year. They went 10-6 in 2018 it wasn’t like they won 12-14 games.
IIRC, as far as no teams within a division finishing at least .500, it has happened twice before. There was the year the Seahawks won the NFC West with a 7-9 record, and then the one with the Panthers taking the NFC South at 7-8-1.
I saw this last night, and got a good laugh out of it:
"At the start of Week 12, the Redskins needed 15 straight games to break their way to win the division. The Cowboys' loss to the Bears is the 7th straight."
So, you never know - it still could be the Redskins that get to host a home playoff game! :-D
The thing about the Cowboys is that their offense is among the best on paper, but they haven't been able to translate that into points... or wins. Their three most recent loses have all been inexplicable, but if I was a fan, I'd say the 13-9 loss to the Patriots remains the worst, most frustrating of them all.
Come to think of it, I think I'd say the same thing about the Bills, who also have three losses (just over the entire season, not straight): They were destroyed by the Eagles, and lost to the Browns on a missed field goal, but the 16-10 loss to the Patriots at home remains far, far more frustrating than either of those.
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Quote from: thspfc on December 06, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 06, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 06, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
The wins for the losing playoff teams were both against teams that pretty much managed to get to the playoffs but were not at all super bowl contenders. I think the Cowboys might be able to win one. They did beat the exact same Seattle team in the WC last year.
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Quote from: thspfc on December 06, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
The wins for the losing playoff teams were both against teams that pretty much managed to get to the playoffs but were not at all super bowl contenders. I think the Cowboys might be able to win one. They did beat the exact same Seattle team in the WC last year.
How many teams have the Cowboys beaten this year with a winning record again?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2019, 05:21:33 PM
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Quote from: thspfc on December 06, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
The wins for the losing playoff teams were both against teams that pretty much managed to get to the playoffs but were not at all super bowl contenders. I think the Cowboys might be able to win one. They did beat the exact same Seattle team in the WC last year.
How many teams have the Cowboys beaten this year with a winning record again?
0.0, but weird stuff happens.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 06, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 06, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
In the case of the Seahawks, they defeated the (defend Super Bowl Champion) Saints in Seattle. That was the game that made Marshawn Lynch, "Beast Mode."
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Stat of the day: the two teams to make the playoffs with a losing record (2010 Seahawks and 2014 Panthers) both won their first playoff game. Maybe there's a method to the Cowboys' madness?
Not sure who the Seahawks and Panthers beat, but the NFC East champ will be hosting the one out of the 49ers and Seahawks that doesn't win the NFC West, which will likely be one of the best ever teams not to win their division.
In the case of the Seahawks, they defeated the (defend Super Bowl Champion) Saints in Seattle. That was the game that made Marshawn Lynch, "Beast Mode."
The Panthers beat a Cardinals team that was playing its third-string quarterback due to injuries.
Going into today, it is possible for there to be both three-way and four-way ties for the NFC East championship at 6-10. And Dallas would win the tie-breaker in both cases.
(The four-way scenario includes an unlikely Washington win over Green Bay, so it's probably not going to happen).
So yeah, the Cowboys can win the division title four games under .500 and go into the playoffs on a six-game losing streak.
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
I saw this last night, and got a good laugh out of it:
"At the start of Week 12, the Redskins needed 15 straight games to break their way to win the division. The Cowboys' loss to the Bears is the 7th straight."
So, you never know - it still could be the Redskins that get to host a home playoff game! :-D
On the bright side, the Redskins helped the Panthers by sealing the deal on Ron Rivera's fate. It was tough to read about his firing, but it needed to happen. Tepper isn't fucking around.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was)
Quote from: apeman33 on December 08, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
So yeah, the Cowboys can win the division title four games under .500 and go into the playoffs on a six-game losing streak.
Well, two games under 0.500.
The difference between 8-8 and 6-10 is the winning of 2 more games.
So, in a highly-anticipated matchup, the Bills D holds the Ravens to 24 points, but the offense can't match it, and thus it continues to be the offensive struggles that prevent the W in close matchups.
The blame squarely falls on offense for now 3 of the 4 losses: Pats, Browns, and now Ravens; while blame is split for the Eagles loss (which, by the way, remains the only time all season the Bills D has given up more than 25 points). And with the top-ranked Niners D giving up 46 points to the Saints (!) the Bills advance to second overall in points allowed at 212, behind only the Patriots at 168.
These last five weeks have to be cause for concern for the Pats, though, having not scored more than 25 points since, ummm... week 9 against the Browns. They've gone 2-3 since then; hilariously, both W's are against NFC East opponents. Can't wait for Dec. 21st in Foxborough! :)
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
Breaking out the world's smallest violin. :biggrin:
Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
If they hadn't wasted challenges, they could have gotten them back.
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Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
If they hadn't wasted challenges, they could have gotten them back.
This, made the 4th quarter very entertaining to watch
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 09, 2019, 06:09:00 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
If they hadn't wasted challenges, they could have gotten them back.
If we didn't have the myriad of stupid rules the NFL has enacted, combined with the obviously incompetent officiating, the Pats wouldn't have needed to challenge those calls. Oh wait, those calls were AGAINST the Patriots, so they must have been valid.
Let's start a petition to have Dolphins/Bengals flexed to Sunday Night in week 16.
Quote from: Beltway on December 08, 2019, 07:55:35 AM
Quote from: apeman33 on December 08, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
So yeah, the Cowboys can win the division title four games under .500 and go into the playoffs on a six-game losing streak.
Well, two games under 0.500.
The difference between 8-8 and 6-10 is the winning of 2 more games.
No, you count up from wins to .500, you don't look at it that way.
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Quote from: apeman33 on December 08, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
So yeah, the Cowboys can win the division title four games under .500 and go into the playoffs on a six-game losing streak.
Well, two games under 0.500. The difference between 8-8 and 6-10 is the winning of 2 more games.
No, you count up from wins to .500, you don't look at it that way.
Dallas is 6-7 now. If they win two more games that will give them 8 wins and 0.500.
While half games are really only discussed in baseball, the concept still applies here. For example, 8-7 is half a game higher than 7-7.
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Quote from: SSOWorld on December 09, 2019, 06:09:00 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
Refs stole not one but two TDs from Pats tonight.
If they hadn't wasted challenges, they could have gotten them back.
If we didn't have the myriad of stupid rules the NFL has enacted, combined with the obviously incompetent officiating, the Pats wouldn't have needed to challenge those calls. Oh wait, those calls were AGAINST the Patriots, so they must have been valid.
Maybe the Patriots should start illegally filming the officials rather than opposing teams.
Quote from: Beltway on December 09, 2019, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2019, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 08, 2019, 07:55:35 AM
Quote from: apeman33 on December 08, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
So yeah, the Cowboys can win the division title four games under .500 and go into the playoffs on a six-game losing streak.
Well, two games under 0.500. The difference between 8-8 and 6-10 is the winning of 2 more games.
No, you count up from wins to .500, you don't look at it that way.
Dallas is 6-7 now. If they win two more games that will give them 8 wins and 0.500.
They are a game under. 500. They need to win 1 game to reach. 500. That is always how the terminology is applied.
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
While half games are really only discussed in baseball, the concept still applies here. For example, 8-7 is half a game higher than 7-7.
I see what all the confusion is about. A team with an 8-7 record is both one game above .500 and a half game ahead of a team with a 7-7 record. The difference is whether your are comparing a team to the standard of a .500 winning percentage or an actual team that happens to have a .500 record.
So it looks like the Patriots have been caught in Spygate 2.0. Against the Bengals, of all teams. :-D :-D
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 10, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
So it looks like the Patriots have been caught in Spygate 2.0. Against the Bengals, of all teams. :-D :-D
It hardly matters what they do at this point. The only real punishment for everything shady they've done would be to vacate their Super Bowls, and the NFL isn't going to do that.
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Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 10, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
So it looks like the Patriots have been caught in Spygate 2.0. Against the Bengals, of all teams. :-D :-D
It hardly matters what they do at this point. The only real punishment for everything shady they've done would be to vacate their Super Bowls, and the NFL isn't going to do that.
The first 3 they won certainly were obtained thru major cheating, and they wouldn't have been there in the first place except thru major cheating.
Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
They are a game under. 500. They need to win 1 game to reach. 500. That is always how the terminology is applied.
More exactly, they need to win their
next game to reach .500. Then win one or both of their two remaining games to stay at or above .500 for this season.
But if they lose their next game, they can win
both their remaining games to end up at .500 for the season.
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Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
They are a game under. 500. They need to win 1 game to reach. 500. That is always how the terminology is applied.
More exactly, they need to win their next game to reach .500. Then win one or both of their two remaining games to stay at or above .500 for this season.
But if they lose their next game, they can win both their remaining games to end up at .500 for the season.
What about when one team is 7-7-0 and the other team is 6-7-1?
How does it work then?
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 10, 2019, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
They are a game under. 500. They need to win 1 game to reach. 500. That is always how the terminology is applied.
More exactly, they need to win their next game to reach .500. Then win one or both of their two remaining games to stay at or above .500 for this season.
But if they lose their next game, they can win both their remaining games to end up at .500 for the season.
What about when one team is 7-7-0 and the other team is 6-7-1?
How does it work then?
7-7-0 is already .500. Winning next game is 1 game over .500. Losing next game is 1 game under .500. Tying next game is maintaining .500
6-7-1 is 1/2 a game below .500, as the NFL views Ties as functional equivalents to 1/2 a Win in the standings (and 1/2 a Loss). Winning next game attains .500. Losing next game drops to 1.5 games below .500. Tying next game, I think, would be 1 game below .500, as it is functionally equivalent to being 7-8
With the Eagles' win last night, the chances of there being a losing division champion took a big hit. PHI and DAL play each other, so there's 7 wins (theoretically :-D) , and then they both have the Redskins left (and the Eagles have the Giants). It looks like 8-8 is the worst it will be.
Quote from: thspfc on December 10, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
With the Eagles' win last night, the chances of there being a losing division champion took a big hit. PHI and DAL play each other, so there's 7 wins (theoretically :-D) , and then they both have the Redskins left (and the Eagles have the Giants). It looks like 8-8 is the worst it will be.
I see that Dallas and Philadelphia are each 6-7 now.
The 2010-2011 Seattle Seahawks made the NFL playoffs with a losing record of 7 wins and 9 losses. They were the first NFL team to make the playoffs with a losing record in a non-strike season.
Playoff finish
Won Wild Card Playoffs (Saints) 41—36
Lost Divisional Playoffs (at Bears) 24—35
The 2014 Carolina Panthers were the second, winning the NFC South @ 7-8-1
Those Panthers defeated the Cardinals on Wild Card Weekend, then lost to the Seahawks on Divisional Weekend
Eagles or Cowboys could be the 3rd
NFL should change the Postseason Qualification standards...Losing Regular Season record should disqualify a Division Winner, and a 3rd Wild Card team qualified in their stead
A losing record Division Champ can still hang their Division Championship Banner, but its silly to put a losing team in the SuperBowl Tournament. I think it happening a 3rd time in the span of a decade would be enough to discuss the change in Postseason Qualification
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 10, 2019, 09:56:13 PM
The 2014 Carolina Panthers were the second, winning the NFC South @ 7-8-1
Those Panthers defeated the Cardinals on Wild Card Weekend, then lost to the Seahawks on Divisional Weekend
Eagles or Cowboys could be the 3rd
NFL should change the Postseason Qualification standards...Losing Regular Season record should disqualify a Division Winner, and a 3rd Wild Card team qualified in their stead
A losing record Division Champ can still hang their Division Championship Banner, but its silly to put a losing team in the SuperBowl Tournament. I think it happening a 3rd time in the span of a decade would be enough to discuss the change in Postseason Qualification
I think you have a good idea there, but I would have to give that team a lot of credit with their weak regular season record, if they could win the next 3 games and be the Super Bowl champ.
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 10:12:39 PM
I think you have a good idea there, but I would have to give that team a lot of credit with their weak regular season record, if they could win the next 3 games and be the Super Bowl champ.
I think that would be awful for not just the NFL, but Football overall
Would make a mockery of what it means to be SuperBowl/World Champion
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 10, 2019, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 10:12:39 PM
I think you have a good idea there, but I would have to give that team a lot of credit with their weak regular season record, if they could win the next 3 games and be the Super Bowl champ.
I think that would be awful for not just the NFL, but Football overall
Would make a mockery of what it means to be SuperBowl/World Champion
With such a weak regular season record, that would be highly improbable.
What about an 8-8 record? A non-winning record. Should they be excluded? There have been a few of them.
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 10, 2019, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 10:12:39 PM
I think you have a good idea there, but I would have to give that team a lot of credit with their weak regular season record, if they could win the next 3 games and be the Super Bowl champ.
I think that would be awful for not just the NFL, but Football overall
Would make a mockery of what it means to be SuperBowl/World Champion
With such a weak regular season record, that would be highly improbable.
What about an 8-8 record? A non-winning record. Should they be excluded? There have been a few of them.
Cardinals were 8-8 with a strong second half and a late push to get to Super Bowl XLIII a decade ago.
Giants had a 9-7 record heading into the playoffs and still managed to win Super Bowl XLVI.
But I pity a 11-win team getting the axe in a strong conference, but that's also been just as rare.
I can stomach a .500 8-8 Division Winner entering the SuperBowl Tourney.
It does stink when it is at the expense of a 10+ Win "In the hunt" team, tho
Everyone knows the rule. Win your division. They all play for this. Otherwise you're at other teams' mercy.
Quote from: formulanone on December 10, 2019, 11:30:39 PM
Cardinals were 8-8 with a strong second half and a late push to get to Super Bowl XLIII a decade ago.
*9-7. Winning record, but still improbable.
arena football league is officially dead :-(
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 11, 2019, 06:18:11 PM
arena football league is officially dead :-(
Shame about that, it used to be a lot of fun going to Arizona Rattlers games.
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Quote from: silverback1065 on December 11, 2019, 06:18:11 PM
arena football league is officially dead :-(
Shame about that, it used to be a lot of fun going to Arizona Rattlers games.
They were Arena's best team so many seasons. Indoor football was fun!
Rick
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arena football league is officially dead :-(
Shame about that, it used to be a lot of fun going to Arizona Rattlers games.
They were Arena's best team so many seasons. Indoor football was fun!
Rick
And it was easy to get even box seats for those games. My brother and I usually had a couple party's a year at Rattlers games. America West basically has you sitting on top of the game, it was an awesome arena to watch the NHL too.
Arena is dead, but isn't indoor alive and well? Along with the Rattlers.
Quote from: Beltway on December 10, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
The 2010-2011 Seattle Seahawks made the NFL playoffs with a losing record of 7 wins and 9 losses. They were the first NFL team to make the playoffs with a losing record in a non-strike season.
A lot has changed since then. The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send
three teams to the playoffs this year. Even the Cardinals are looking better.
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
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Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
Actually, here's a take: I think it's the Packers that are more likely to implode. They have looked... mediocre at best over the past month or so, thinking of the Niners and Chargers games in particular. Beating the Redskins by 5 isn't very convincing, either.
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 13, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
Actually, here's a take: I think it's the Packers that are more likely to implode. They have looked... mediocre at best over the past month or so, thinking of the Niners and Chargers games in particular. Beating the Redskins by 5 isn't very convincing, either.
If they survive their final 3 games they'll do their usual first round implosion
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 13, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
Actually, here's a take: I think it's the Packers that are more likely to implode. They have looked... mediocre at best over the past month or so, thinking of the Niners and Chargers games in particular. Beating the Redskins by 5 isn't very convincing, either.
Oh, you're right. It's just that I assumed Aaron Rodgers will pull his usual Rodgers bullshit and still win the division.
I remember 2013, when I was still a Packer fan. Rodgers got hurt halfway through, and they sucked for the rest of the season but still magically made the playoffs after he got back. They were 8-7-1 I believe.
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Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 13, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
Actually, here's a take: I think it's the Packers that are more likely to implode. They have looked... mediocre at best over the past month or so, thinking of the Niners and Chargers games in particular. Beating the Redskins by 5 isn't very convincing, either.
Oh, you're right. It's just that I assumed Aaron Rodgers will pull his usual Rodgers bullshit and still win the division.
He's lucky he's on a team that targets QBs and ruins their careers rather than playing against them.
The Buffalo Bills have CLINCHED a playoff spot for the SECOND time this century (and they didn't even string it out to Week 17!!)
And, they have notched a TEN WIN season for the FIRST time this century.
Yes, you did indeed read that correctly, I was one year old the last time the Bills had 10 in the W column!!
Note to Chiefs fans: a fourth Patriots loss basically serves you a first-round bye on a silver platter, so root for the Bills!
(It would also pave the way for the Pats having to host a Wild Card... which is something that everybody should want, not just Chiefs fans! :D)
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 13, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 13, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
The NFC West is now arguably the strongest division and could potentially send three teams to the playoffs this year.
Could, but probably won't, unless Minnesota completely implodes. Which, knowing my team, is entirely possible. :ded:
Actually, here's a take: I think it's the Packers that are more likely to implode. They have looked... mediocre at best over the past month or so, thinking of the Niners and Chargers games in particular. Beating the Redskins by 5 isn't very convincing, either.
Oh, you're right. It's just that I assumed Aaron Rodgers will pull his usual Rodgers bullshit and still win the division.
Here's something interesting:
The Bills and Vikings are in basically identical spots heading into the final 2 weeks of the season:
-Lock or virtual lock for the playoffs after getting help from rivals in Week 15
-One game behind the division leader
-Play the division leader in Week 16
-Must WIN against the division leader to keep divisional hopes alive
-Need another win PLUS an upset loss by the division leader in Week 17 to win the division (i.e., do not control their own destiny)
That's...
very specific, but somehow does apply to both the Bills and Vikings. So, both divisions may come down to Week 17. Here's hoping! :popcorn:
Are the Atlanta Falcons the most confusing team in the NFL?
They're 5-9, have been eliminated from postseason contention for weeks now, and yet own head to head wins over the Saints AND the Niners. What?
The Rams and Cowboys are both also in the running for the most confusing team in the NFL... so we might have a legit competition going here!
Quote from: webny99 on December 16, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Are the Atlanta Falcons the most confusing team in the NFL?
They're 5-9, have been eliminated from postseason contention for weeks now, and yet own head to head wins over the Saints AND the Niners. What?
The Rams and Cowboys are both also in the running for the most confusing team in the NFL... so we might have a legit competition going here!
Ahh, the power of parity! It can get more extreme. One season saw a winless at the time Indy team beat the Pack who were enroute to a Super Bowl title in week 12. You cannot let your guard down in the NFL. There are no "body bag" games like in college football.
Rick
Quote from: webny99 on December 16, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Are the Atlanta Falcons the most confusing team in the NFL?
They're 5-9, have been eliminated from postseason contention for weeks now, and yet own head to head wins over the Saints AND the Niners. What?
The Falcons's bye week did wonders for them, somehow.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 12, 2019, 04:40:10 PM
Arena is dead, but isn't indoor alive and well? Along with the Rattlers.
Some other leagues still exist like the Indoor Football League, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Football_League The Iowa Barnstormers and the Arizona Rattlers was 2 former Arena Football League teams who moved to this league.
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
The 49ers couldn't come up big (granted the back up kicker didn't help) against the Seahawks.
I think that has less to do with the Niners being flawed, and more to do with Russell Wilson being exceptionally good at getting the W close games.
On this subject of the Seahawk's many narrow victories, here's an interesting read:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-seahawks-keep-it-close-is-that-any-way-to-win-a-super-bowl/
Quote from: webny99 on December 13, 2019, 09:26:52 AM
So, both divisions may come down to Week 17. Here's hoping! :popcorn:
Kicking myself for this post. It probably would have happened if I hadn't posted this.
Instead, Pats clinch their 11th straight title as Bills-Pats ends the EXACT same way that Bills-Ravens ended 2 weeks ago: Bills in the red zone down 17-24 at the 2 minute warning, and can't execute.
The Pats had too much on the line to lose this one and played like it. Still hoping for a Dolphins upset to (hopefully) give the Chiefs the first round bye.
Welp, Brady is now 32-3 all time against the Bills. I guess there's always the playoffs to look forward to... and next season...
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
For me it's the simple fact that sports dynasties that don't involve my team are boring. For most part I view almost all the other 31 teams with complete indifference, so why not see something different than the Patriots winning the Super Bowl repeatedly? The year the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles was a hell of an entertaining story at the very least.
Congrats to Cincinnati for their first-round pick.
And congrats to my Dolphins on win 4! As my father said, "even the Dolphins suck at sucking".
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
For me it's the simple fact that sports dynasties that don't involve my team are boring. For most part I view almost all the other 31 teams with complete indifference, so why not see something different than the Patriots winning the Super Bowl repeatedly? The year the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles was a hell of an entertaining story at the very least.
I agree that it's kind of boring, but it's not something that people should get bent out of shape over.
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
For me it's the simple fact that sports dynasties that don't involve my team are boring. For most part I view almost all the other 31 teams with complete indifference, so why not see something different than the Patriots winning the Super Bowl repeatedly? The year the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles was a hell of an entertaining story at the very least.
I agree that it's kind of boring, but it's not something that people should get bent out of shape over.
I can't really comment on the getting upset thing. I could see it from the angle of a rival fan base getting sick of a competitor winning all the time. It probably doesn't help when comes to the Patriots that they have a reputation for spying on other teams and bending the rules whenever given the opportunity. Granted, probably almost NFL team probably does the same thing if not more.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 22, 2019, 07:06:37 PM
Congrats to Cincinnati for their first-round pick.
And congrats to my Dolphins on win 4! As my father said, "even the Dolphins suck at sucking".
Who is even the projected first pick after Tua got hurt this year?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
I can't really comment on the getting upset thing. I could see it from the angle of a rival fan base getting sick of a competitor winning all the time. It probably doesn't help when comes to the Patriots that they have a reputation for spying on other teams and bending the rules whenever given the opportunity.
That is the problem, especially their first 3 SB wins where they probably wouldn't have even been there if not for the high-level spying and videotaping of other teams signals. After those 3 then they had all that playoff and championship game experience that helped them win more titles after that.
I have no issue with perennial winners per se. I grew up in central Florida in the 1960s when there was no MLB or NFL team within a thousand miles, and the two teams I picked to follow were Green Bay and the NY Yankees. Very exciting teams loaded with all-stars.
We moved to the D.C. area and then I started "rooting local," for the Washington Redskins. That meant that I didn't care at all for Dallas, with the "America's Team" hype and so on, but I never really questioned how Dallas won so many games and titles; Tom Landry, Staubach, White, Dorsett and most of the others were class acts.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 22, 2019, 07:06:37 PM
Congrats to Cincinnati for their first-round pick.
They deserve it, after that incredible, odds-defying comeback to force overtime and then lose anyways. That's the way to do it!
QuoteAnd congrats to my Dolphins on win 4! As my father said, "even the Dolphins suck at sucking".
As I believe I already mentioned, I'll be rooting for them to come through big and notch #5 next week! :)
I personally think that at least a sprinkling of wins is a good thing, for any team. Losing is just... not fun... and must be terrible to endure as a player, regardless of the long term implications.
Quote from: webny99 on December 22, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
I personally think that at least a sprinkling of wins is a good thing, for any team. Losing is just... not fun... and must be terrible to endure as a player, regardless of the long term implications.
This is what keeps me from being completely suicidal. For a player to end 2-14, 1-15, or worse...that's just miserable. I can't blame them for wanting to win at least a few games. Winless seasons are not a good thing to have on a record.
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I wouldn't call it hate. It's more like frustration, because they keep on winning when luck, and logic, and reason, and all other indicators tell you they are LONG overdue for a big serving of losses. And every time they win, someone else loses, to the point where it's not even remotely fair to the other team's players and fans, especially their AFC East division rivals. It's just straight up been too lopsided for too long, especially for a professional sport.
Additionally, rooting for a team through good times AND bad builds up a special and meaningful relationship. Yet in the case of the Pats, most "fans" have never had to sweat out a tough season or prove their loyalty, and being a fan has never cost them anything, which very much calls their legitimacy into question. So you can see why continued success/dominance can be seen as lame/boring, and also frustrating for fans of other teams.
Quote from: webny99 on December 22, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
I wouldn't call it hate. It's more like frustration, because they keep on winning when luck, and logic, and reason, and all other indicators tell you they are LONG overdue for a big serving of losses. And every time they win, someone else loses, to the point where it's not even remotely fair to the other team's players and fans, especially their AFC East division rivals. It's just straight up been too lopsided for too long, especially for a professional sport.
Ignoring the fan aspect, you can't hate good coaching and good ball-playing. I know that sounds like something a Pat's fan would say, but it's true. Belichick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, and Brady is one of the best QB's of all time. It's frustrating to see the same thing over and over again, but it's not luck that's putting them in those situations; it's good training, and skill. That's it. Even when banned from four games, Brady went back and won the SB. That's amazing on any level.
If other teams want to take the Pats down, they need to get their own sixth-round pick, and an incredible coach. It's that easy (or wait, maybe it's not?). Besides, who wants to claim they won a Superbowl just because Brady & Co had a bad year?
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why.
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
The Bills are going to be kings of the division once Brady retires. The Pats' last real competition in the AFC was Peyton Manning's Broncos, who beat them in the playoffs in 2013 and 2015.
Quote from: thspfc on December 23, 2019, 08:35:05 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
The Bills are going to be kings of the division once Brady retires. The Pats' last real competition in the AFC was Peyton Manning's Broncos, who beat them in the playoffs in 2013 and 2015.
Josh Allen has some maturing to do before that's a certainty. That defense is really what keeps the Bills going this year. Josh Allen has been good at not really turning the ball over but he's probably going to get hurt if he keeps trying to move with the ball like he does.
By comparison, while it took the Patriots 17 years to win their six Super Bowl rings (first in 2002, last in 2019), it took the Steelers 34 years to get theirs (first in 1975, last in 2009). So the Pats did it in exactly half the time!
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why.
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
Say it louder for those in the back! :clap:
Quote from: LM117 on December 23, 2019, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why.
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
Say it louder for those in the back! :clap:
Heh. Fans of any dominant team get smug.
I don't think the Pats will "crash and burn" as much as just fade as all dominant teams eventually do. And, it will be expected as Brady and Belichick inevitably retire, as opposed to having a team not meet expectations (i.e., not really a "crash and burn").
And, although I intellectually know today's teams are not the teams of yore, can't help but think that it would be fun to see the Bills lose more Super Bowls. :D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 22, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
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Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
For me it’s the simple fact that sports dynasties that don’t involve my team are boring. For most part I view almost all the other 31 teams with complete indifference, so why not see something different than the Patriots winning the Super Bowl repeatedly? The year the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles was a hell of an entertaining story at the very least.
I agree that it's kind of boring, but it's not something that people should get bent out of shape over.
I can’t really comment on the getting upset thing. I could see it from the angle of a rival fan base getting sick of a competitor winning all the time. It probably doesn’t help when comes to the Patriots that they have a reputation for spying on other teams and bending the rules whenever given the opportunity. Granted, probably almost NFL team probably does the same thing if not more.
This has a lot to do with it. People may hate the Yankees for winning so much and an owner who gladly paid the penalty for going over the salary cap. People hated the Cowboys when they won several Superbowls in rapid succession (although many of their fans, and even the players, weren't even alive the last time they won their Superbowls). The Pats not only did it with so many dark clouds over their heads, the rest of the city started winning too during the same time period.
Quote from: Rothman on December 23, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
And, although I intellectually know today's teams are not the teams of yore, can't help but think that it would be fun to see the Bills lose more Super Bowls. :D
It would be more fun to see the Bills winning one Super Bowl championship just like how the Capitals and the Blues had won a Stanley Cup championship. ;)
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
Yep, the Pats won their 11th consecutive title on Saturday.
The '08 Dolphins are the only non-Pats winner since 200...EDIT:2
I am NOT making any predictions for next year, because I'll end up kicking myself if I do.
But, 11 consecutive titles? Enough is enough.
Quote from: Rothman on December 23, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
And, although I intellectually know today's teams are not the teams of yore, can't help but think that it would be fun to see the Bills lose more Super Bowls. :D
Oh, come on, the Bills are the only true NY team, after all. :pan:
I CAN'T refrain from making a prediction here: the next time the Bills make a Super Bowl, they will absolutely win.
Quote from: webny99 on December 23, 2019, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
Yep, the Pats won their 11th consecutive title on Saturday.
The '08 Dolphins are the only non-Pats winner since 2001.
I am NOT making any predictions for next year, because I'll end up kicking myself if I do.
But, 11 consecutive titles? Enough is enough.
Quote from: Rothman on December 23, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
And, although I intellectually know today's teams are not the teams of yore, can't help but think that it would be fun to see the Bills lose more Super Bowls. :D
Oh, come on, the Bills are the only true NY team, after all. :pan:
I CAN'T refrain from making a prediction here: the next time the Bills make a Super Bowl, they will absolutely win.
Buffalo vs Minnesota to settle who is the worst (in record) Super Bowl team of all time! Hey, it could happen this season!
Rick
Quote from: webny99 on December 23, 2019, 03:47:08 PM
The '08 Dolphins are the only non-Pats winner since 2001.
Also the 2002 Jets.
Patriots have 2001, 2003-2007, 2009-2019 in the Belichick/Brady era.
Quote from: nexus73 on December 23, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
Buffalo vs Minnesota to settle who is the worst (in record) Super Bowl team of all time! Hey, it could happen this season!
Rick
Need a Rules Adjustment, that Super Bowls CAN end in a Tie, following Regular Season Overtime Rules.
The Lombardi is not awarded in a Tie Super Bowl. The Halas and Hunt Trophies become de facto Co-Championship Trophies
Once that happens, the inevitable Tie Super Bowl that would occur between Buffalo and Minnesota can be played
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Quote from: webny99 on December 23, 2019, 03:47:08 PM
The '08 Dolphins are the only non-Pats winner since 2001.
Also the 2002 Jets.
Whoops. You're right. Fixed.
Quote from: nexus73 on December 23, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
Buffalo vs Minnesota to settle who is the worst (in record) Super Bowl team of all time! Hey, it could happen this season!
Sure could, and the Bills would no doubt lose on a missed field goal in triple overtime.
And that's not even the craziest thing that could happen - a .500 Cowboys vs .500 Raiders Super Bowl is still on the table too! :-D
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
This has become the Patriots Hate Thread.
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
How is that preventing them from winning?
Quote from: Beltway on December 24, 2019, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
How is that preventing them from winning?
He was claiming that the NFL is favoring the Patriots (probably through referees), and that's why the Jets can't win more than eight games in a season. . . ?
And watch the Patriots/Chiefs game again if you think that the refs are biased for the Patriots.
Quote from: thspfc on December 24, 2019, 09:36:06 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 24, 2019, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
How is that preventing them from winning?
He was claiming that the NFL is favoring the Patriots (probably through referees), and that's why the Jets can't win more than eight games in a season. . . ?
And watch the Patriots/Chiefs game two weeks ago again if you think that the refs are biased for the Patriots.
Isn't this the game the reporters and the fans had a field day with? Brady complaining he didn't have a call go their way, when there's about 15 years' worth of calls that have gone their way? Not too many people were upset with that one. And if that Ref or the one on his crew that made that bad call isn't working the NFL next year, you'll know why.
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on December 23, 2019, 05:05:04 AM
Because, quite frankly, it's boring and uninteresting if the same team is likely to win every year. What's the point of watching if you know who the winner is?
Plus, Pats fans, more often than not, are smug, and I can't wait for the team to finally crash and burn and for those fans to suffer.
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
I know you like the conspiracy theories of this, but speaking as a fan of one of the other AFC East teams, the rest have rarely come close to even clinching the division in the past 18 years (Dolphins in '08 on the last week, the year Brady was out after Week 1).
You just don't get that many lucky breaks year-after-year, unless you're actually that good, no matter how despicable the Patriots can be at times. The luckiest part is how inconsistent their divisional rivals can be. It's easy to find a coupe of blown calls with a microscope because damnit...they manage to get into more of those important games than all the other teams.
People do get weary of any league or sport that has repetition, but it's rarely enough to turn away fans compared to the core of each teams' fanbases. If there's other underlying issues or other things competing for time, that's what really erodes the ratings.
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Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 23, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
When are the Bills and the Fish and the Jits ever going to provide decent competition again?
It starts in that division. It's been what 10 years since any of them has won the division?
When the commissioner of the NFL is partying with the family of the owner of one of the teams, do you really expect the other teams in that divison to ever win?
I know you like the conspiracy theories of this, but speaking as a fan of one of the other AFC East teams, the rest have rarely come close to even clinching the division in the past 18 years (Dolphins in '08 on the last week, the year Brady was out after Week 1).
The Jets never really have been much of a factor (except SB III), but the Bills and Dolphins have been winners in numbers of years.
As said over the last 18 years those teams have been pathetic. If there was any form of corruption then their owners should have called it out, repeatedly.
They have just done a crappy job over the last 20 years.
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
It could be worse...at least you're not Detroit.
Quote from: DaBigE on December 24, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
It could be worse...at least you're not Detroit.
It
is worse ... if you root for Washington or Dallas and remember their mini-dynastys and playoff runs and multiple Super Bowl victories in the 1980s and 1990s ... and have seen how poorly they have done since then.
Quote from: DaBigE on December 24, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
It could be worse...at least you're not Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on December 24, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
It could be worse...at least you're not Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
There's an updated video. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIbmT2Rs8vw
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on December 24, 2019, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 24, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on December 24, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 24, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
I hate my crappy, underachieving team. Fuck them, fuck this sport. And fuck the local morons who accept mediocrity and just making the playoffs as good enough.
It could be worse...at least you're not Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
There's an updated video. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIbmT2Rs8vw
Okay, I never saw that third one.
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
Right. These teams (love 'em or hate 'em) had dynasties without cheating -- Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
Right. These teams (love 'em or hate 'em) had dynasties without cheating -- Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.
Green Bay may have achieved their own dynasty without cheating, but they prevented another one in 1986 with one of the dirtiest hits ever on Jim McMahon. If a Packers QB got decapitated on the field, I'd stand up and cheer.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
These teams (love 'em or hate 'em) had dynasties without cheating -- Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.
Green Bay may have achieved their own dynasty without cheating, but they prevented another one in 1986 with one of the dirtiest hits ever on Jim McMahon. If a Packers QB got decapitated on the field, I'd stand up and cheer.
There are a list of reasons that football analysts have for why the 1985 Bears, as amazing as they were, did not win more Super Bowls. There are many articles out there.
https://historiansfootball.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/who-is-to-blame-for-the-bears-not-winning-multiple-super-bowls-in-the-eighties/
Coaching problems, a lackluster offense ("The offense always looked a little clunky and disjointed"), their schedule ...
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
Green Bay may have achieved their own dynasty without cheating, but they prevented another one in 1986 with one of the dirtiest hits ever on Jim McMahon. If a Packers QB got decapitated on the field, I'd stand up and cheer.
There are a list of reasons that football analysts have for why the 1985 Bears, as amazing as they were, did not win more Super Bowls. There are many articles out there.
https://historiansfootball.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/who-is-to-blame-for-the-bears-not-winning-multiple-super-bowls-in-the-eighties/
Coaching problems, a lackluster offense ("The offense always looked a little clunky and disjointed"), their schedule ...
Bill Walsh and the West Coast Offense just happens to be the perfect antidote to the punishing 46 Zone Defense. Could be part of why the 49ers became the dominant team late 80s, not the Bears
The rules package of the Modern NFL is the Vaccine against the 46 Zone...If a team tried to run that as their Base Defense now, with as Physical as the Corners have to be with the Wide Outs, there would be a Defensive Penalty almost every down
Its a great Defense against Run and Play Action Pass Offenses, which were plentiful in mid-80s NFL football.
Its also a great Defense against Zone Read (Virginia Tech demonstrated that with an Upset win over Ohio St a few years ago), but so far, no NFL Defensive Coordinator has Installed it to play the Ravens. Part of me would like to see a high level 46 Zone vs the current Ravens, but I still think the current Rule Limits on Defensive Backs would tilt the scale heavily Ravens.
Your Corners are on islands in 46 Zone...need to be able to use your hands, especially against the size and speed of current NFL Wide Outs
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
*yawn*
Yeah, I'm sure deflated balls played a major part in that victory over the Colts. :D
Quote from: Rothman on December 26, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
*yawn*
Yeah, I'm sure deflated balls played a major part in that victory over the Colts. :D
What I've never understood is about sports fandom is how naive a lot people really are that athletes, coaches, and teams try to cheat. I don't understand how anyone can look at a modern football player or baseball player and think that those are the results from working out with professional trainers. Regarding "deflate gate" didn't the Colts lose by over 30 points if memory serve correct? Cheating or not the Colts clearly were the lesser of the two teams by a large margin.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
Right. These teams (love 'em or hate 'em) had dynasties without cheating -- Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.
Green Bay may have achieved their own dynasty without cheating, but they prevented another one in 1986 with one of the dirtiest hits ever on Jim McMahon. If a Packers QB got decapitated on the field, I'd stand up and cheer.
You are a horrible person and deserve misfortune.
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
Right. These teams (love 'em or hate 'em) had dynasties without cheating -- Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh.
Green Bay may have achieved their own dynasty without cheating, but they prevented another one in 1986 with one of the dirtiest hits ever on Jim McMahon. If a Packers QB got decapitated on the field, I'd stand up and cheer.
You are a horrible person and deserve misfortune.
And he conveniently forgets that McMahon ended his career as a Brett Favre backup at Green Bay. He was at the Brett Favre HoF celebration game along with Bart Starr and numerous other notable Packers' alumni a few years ago - as a Packer. It was quite obvious to me (I was at that game) that he did bury that hatchet long ago, was happy to be there and was well received by the fans.
Mike
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 26, 2019, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 26, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
Coaching problems, a lackluster offense ("The offense always looked a little clunky and disjointed"), their schedule ...
Bill Walsh and the West Coast Offense just happens to be the perfect antidote to the punishing 46 Zone Defense. Could be part of why the 49ers became the dominant team late 80s, not the Bears
There is a saying, defense wins championships.... but it takes a sufficiently potent offense as well. The Bears' just didn't really get it done.
Quote from: Rothman on December 26, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 22, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 21, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Have they changed the league's name to the NEFL yet? As with Super Bowl LIII, if they (New England) make it to LIV in Miami Gardens, I will not watch.
I didn't watch, listen or monitor LIII whatsoever. Didn't fully know the final score until maybe 11:30 ET that night. I stayed off Facebook all night. Didn't receive any messages from my brother (Seattle fan, but despises New England, too).
I'm astonished by people who hate winners. Winning is not a dislikeable trait, yet so many people get salty about constant winners and I don't know why. (I'm not a fan of any NFL team, much less the Patriots.)
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
*yawn*
Yeah, I'm sure deflated balls played a major part in that victory over the Colts. :D
It might have been 31-7 instead of 45-7 if they had used adequate balls. It could have been 10-7, for pete's sake. The Pats would have won regardless.
Quote from: thspfc on December 27, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 26, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
*yawn* Yeah, I'm sure deflated balls played a major part in that victory over the Colts. :D
It might have been 31-7 instead of 45-7 if they had used adequate balls. It could have been 10-7, for pete's sake. The Pats would have won regardless.
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: thspfc on December 27, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 26, 2019, 09:51:28 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:40 PM
I hate "winners" who cheat to do it. The Patriots and their two spygates plus deflategate. The roided up baseball winners of nearly every WS from 1989-2004. Lance Armstrong.
*yawn* Yeah, I'm sure deflated balls played a major part in that victory over the Colts. :D
It might have been 31-7 instead of 45-7 if they had used adequate balls. It could have been 10-7, for pete's sake. The Pats would have won regardless.
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level.
Yeah, that is what the Pats fans say, that they are no worse than anyone else.
The spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams is far worse and far more impactful than anything claimed about the previous dynasties, and the Pats weren't even a dynasty yet the first time it happened 15 years ago, so like I said that leveraged their first 3 SB wins.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
So you're a salty Jets fan, just say it.
Quote from: thspfc on December 28, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
So you're a salty Jets fan, just say it.
Former NFL fan, tired of the sanctioned cheating.
Quote from: Alps on December 28, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Quote from: thspfc on December 28, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
So you're a salty Jets fan, just say it.
Former NFL fan, tired of the sanctioned cheating.
Besides, who roots for the Jits? More likely would be the Giants or the Iggles.
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn't anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It's not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I'll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I'd argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don't get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I'd understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
I'm actually a Lions fan, that being the case I don't really care one way or another about the Patriots.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2019, 06:28:38 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 27, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on December 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Maybe true about the deflated balls, but what about the spying and videotaping of the signals of other teams?
There wasn’t anything that was going to save the Colts other getting more talented and better coached, neither happened. It’s not like this kind of stuff is exclusive to the New England Patriots, the Houston Astros on the base ball side have been in similar scandals.
I wasn't talking about the Colts, I was talking about all the other years involved.
I’ll circle back to my point that there are probably a lot more teams doing the same thing the Patriots have done. There probably have been games that were closed where the fruit of cheating yielded the ultimate difference in a close game. I’d argue that such behavior is probably wide spread enough that the playing field is essentially level. What I don’t get is why people get so fixated on the Colts as an example when that game was a total blowout. I’d understand the years of outrage more if it was a close game that could have gone either way.
So you're a Cheatriots apologist, just say it.
I’m actually a Lions fan, that being the case I don’t really care one way or another about the Patriots.
Watch enough auto racing, and you become rather cynical about cheating in other sports. Inventive ways around loopholes are usually allowed, or encouraged, but have a 50/50 chance of getting closed up by the following season (or sooner if it's just unsafe). Because the rules change a bit more frequently, finding solutions, inventing tricks, finding vagueness in specifications is a natural outgrowth of the sport...that makes fascinating for some of us.
...then again, you may get stuck with some version of the Tuck Rule for 12 years.
Ahem... in other news, the Tigers have already won the 2020 CFP.
Quote from: Alps on December 29, 2019, 01:50:55 AM
Ahem... in other news, the Tigers have already won the 2020 CFP.
But Auburn isn't playing!
Seriously, this is just one more reason to dislike the SEC in general. Across the entire P5/G5 outside the SEC, there is only one mascot duplication within a conference and that's the Sun Belt's Trojans (Arkansas-Little Rock and Troy). The SEC alone has
three duplications: that conference features three Tigers (LSU, Auburn, Missouri) and two Bulldogs (Mississippi State and uga).
Quote from: US 89 on December 29, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 29, 2019, 01:50:55 AM
Ahem... in other news, the Tigers have already won the 2020 CFP.
But Auburn isn't playing!
Seriously, this is just one more reason to dislike the SEC in general. Across the entire P5/G5 outside the SEC, there is only one mascot duplication within a conference and that's the Sun Belt's Trojans (Arkansas-Little Rock and Troy). The SEC alone has three duplications: that conference features three Tigers (LSU, Auburn, Missouri) and two Bulldogs (Mississippi State and uga).
Imagine if Sewanee hadn't left. Then they'd have four Tigers!
Anyway, I'm tired enough of Clemson at this point that I'm willingly pulling for the SEC team in the title game. At least LSU hasn't been there in a little while.
Quote from: Eth on December 29, 2019, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 29, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 29, 2019, 01:50:55 AM
Ahem... in other news, the Tigers have already won the 2020 CFP.
But Auburn isn’t playing!
Seriously, this is just one more reason to dislike the SEC in general. Across the entire P5/G5 outside the SEC, there is only one mascot duplication within a conference and that’s the Sun Belt’s Trojans (Arkansas-Little Rock and Troy). The SEC alone has three duplications: that conference features three Tigers (LSU, Auburn, Missouri) and two Bulldogs (Mississippi State and uga).
Imagine if Sewanee hadn't left. Then they'd have four Tigers!
Anyway, I'm tired enough of Clemson at this point that I'm willingly pulling for the SEC team in the title game. At least LSU hasn't been there in a little while.
I agree. I also can’t really ever bring myself to root for Clemson because as a general rule, I find many of their fans to be entitled and even just rude in general. They boo for injured players and storm the field after they beat FCS teams (or shitty ACC teams that might as well be FCS). Even uga fans are better - only Miami fans are worse in my experience.
All this team duplication reminds me of something...
So, justice has been done in the AFC! The Pats fall to the Dolphins in the biggest "upset" of the season, allowing the Chiefs to steal the bye! :cheers:
Not the case over in the NFC, where the profoundly mediocre Packers get a bye thanks to a last-second, gut wrenching FG against the Lions, while the Saints (who destroyed the Panthers 42-10 today and CLEARLY deserved the bye) have to play next weekend. Yikes.
In other news, here's the list of teams that allowed less than 300 points this season: Pats 225, Bills 259, Ravens 282, Bears 298. /list
And lastly, any Super Bowl picks/predictions with the regular season now in the books?
Quote from: webny99 on December 30, 2019, 12:29:50 AM
Not the case over in the NFC, where the profoundly mediocre Packers get a bye thanks to a last-second, gut wrenching FG against the Lions, while the Saints (who destroyed the Panthers 42-10 today and CLEARLY deserved the bye) have to play next weekend. Yikes.
The Packers and the Saints are 13-3, and the number 1 and number 2 seeds, respectively, and do not have to play in the wildcard round.
Quote from: Beltway on December 30, 2019, 07:46:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 30, 2019, 12:29:50 AM
Not the case over in the NFC, where the profoundly mediocre Packers get a bye thanks to a last-second, gut wrenching FG against the Lions, while the Saints (who destroyed the Panthers 42-10 today and CLEARLY deserved the bye) have to play next weekend. Yikes.
The Packers and the Saints are 13-3, and the number 1 and number 2 seeds, respectively, and do not have to play in the wildcard round.
The Saints are the 3 Seed, they along with the 49ers and Packers are 13-3. I don't think anyone can legitimately say that the Packers have a better team on paper than the Saints. For what it's worth Arron Rogers hasn't looked like a top tier quarterback all season.
I'll throw out Saints/Ravens as a Super Bowl prediction. The Ravens look way better and have been way more balanced all year than any other AFC team. While I like how the 49ers have pretty much been in even the games they lost teams new to playoff stage tend to lose to more experienced ones like the Saints. Right now I'd count on Drew Brees more to pull out a late game big win.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 30, 2019, 07:46:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 30, 2019, 12:29:50 AM
Not the case over in the NFC, where the profoundly mediocre Packers get a bye thanks to a last-second, gut wrenching FG against the Lions, while the Saints (who destroyed the Panthers 42-10 today and CLEARLY deserved the bye) have to play next weekend. Yikes.
The Packers and the Saints are 13-3, and the number 1 and number 2 seeds, respectively, and do not have to play in the wildcard round.
The Saints are the 3 Seed, they along with the 49ers and Packers are 13-3. I don't think anyone can legitimately say that the Packers have a better team on paper than the Saints. For what it's worth Arron Rogers hasn't looked like a top tier quarterback all season.
I'll throw out Saints/Ravens as a Super Bowl prediction. The Ravens look way better and have been way more balanced all year than any other AFC team. While I like how the 49ers have pretty much been in even the games they lost teams new to playoff stage tend to lose to more experienced ones like the Saints. Right now I'd count on Drew Brees more to pull out a late game big win.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 30, 2019, 07:46:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 30, 2019, 12:29:50 AM
Not the case over in the NFC, where the profoundly mediocre Packers get a bye thanks to a last-second, gut wrenching FG against the Lions, while the Saints (who destroyed the Panthers 42-10 today and CLEARLY deserved the bye) have to play next weekend. Yikes.
The Packers and the Saints are 13-3, and the number 1 and number 2 seeds, respectively, and do not have to play in the wildcard round.
The Saints are the 3 Seed, they along with the 49ers and Packers are 13-3. I don't think anyone can legitimately say that the Packers have a better team on paper than the Saints. For what it's worth Arron Rogers hasn't looked like a top tier quarterback all season.
I'll throw out Saints/Ravens as a Super Bowl prediction. The Ravens look way better and have been way more balanced all year than any other AFC team. While I like how the 49ers have pretty much been in even the games they lost teams new to playoff stage tend to lose to more experienced ones like the Saints. Right now I'd count on Drew Brees more to pull out a late game big win.
Two of the Packers' losses were to AFC teams, and one of the Saints' losses was to an AFC team. By NFL logic, that makes the Packers more deserving of the higher seed.
The NFL needs to eliminate conferences. Just seed the eight division winners 1-8 and the wildcards 9-12. First tiebreaker after head to head should be strength of schedule. Under this system, playoff seeding this year would be:
1 Baltimore
2 San Francisco
3 New Orleans
4 Green Bay
5 Kansas City vs 12 LA Rams
6 New England vs 11 Buffalo
7 Houston vs 10 Minnesota
8 Philadelphia vs 9 Seattle
Patriots and Seahawks was my preseason prediction, and that could happen but doesn't look likely. My revised prediction is Patriots and Saints.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
Quote from: Beltway on December 30, 2019, 07:46:40 AM
The Packers and the Saints are 13-3, and the number 1 and number 2 seeds, respectively, and do not have to play in the wildcard round.
The Saints are the 3 Seed, they along with the 49ers and Packers are 13-3. I don't think anyone can legitimately say that the Packers have a better team on paper than the Saints. For what it's worth Arron Rogers hasn't looked like a top tier quarterback all season.
I see that the 49ers hadn't played their last game when I posted that, or maybe I hadn't refreshed that webpage.
49ers [xyz*]
(13-3-0) Proj: 1st Seed
Packers [xyz]
(13-3-0) Proj: 2nd Seed
Saints [xy]
(13-3-0) Proj: 3rd Seed
http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 30, 2019, 08:38:19 AM
I'll throw out Saints/Ravens as a Super Bowl prediction. The Ravens look way better and have been way more balanced all year than any other AFC team. While I like how the 49ers have pretty much been in even the games they lost teams new to playoff stage tend to lose to more experienced ones like the Saints. Right now I'd count on Drew Brees more to pull out a late game big win.
Ravens, definitely.
Homefield advantage thruout is always a benefit, and the 49ers have that as long as they win.
The Saints have to play in the wildcard round, and if they win they get to go to Green Bay in January. :-/
Has a 13-3 or higher team ever had to play in the wildcard round?
Pulling for the Saints because they have 6 Buckeyes on their roster, including one who just set the single season receptions record.
Would like to see a Saints-Chiefs Super Bowl, since that's what it should have been last year.
Quote from: thspfc on December 30, 2019, 10:50:10 AM
My revised prediction is Patriots and Saints.
It would be crazy if NONE of the first-round bye teams make it to the Super Bowl, and even more so this year with how high-powered the Niners, Ravens, and Chiefs are. I see the Saints beating the Packers and advancing to the NFC championship, but I highly doubt the Patriots are Super Bowl bound. Look at their path after they blew it yesterday: vs. Titans, who have a crazy offense and are playing great since Tannehill took over as starter; @ Chiefs in the divisional round; and @ Ravens (or, long shots to host the Bills or Texans) in the AFC championship.
The Pats may be 32-3 against the Bills in the Brady-Belichick era, but they just blew their chance to tie the Bill's record for 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances, which is just wonderful. :)
I am thinking this will be the Saint's redemption year. They'll steamroll Minnesota at home. The Pack will blow it. And then I see them hosting the NFC championship because Seattle roasts the Eagles and avenges their 4 inches-too-short finish from last week.
I wouldn't mind a KC/Ravens AFC title game and a KC/Saints SB. Texans might just finally get rid of their one and done curse against the Bills. Long as GB loses :bigass:
Interesting stat: from 2010-2019, only two AFC teams never played in a wild card round. One was the Cleveland Browns. The other: the New England Patriots. (Bonus points if you can name the 1 NFC team that hasn't done so.)
Edit: not so for the Pats; see correction by Buck87 downthread
Quote from: kurumi on December 31, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
(Bonus points if you can name the 1 NFC team that hasn't done so.)
without looking, I'll throw out the 49ers
wanna say they had a lot of non playoff years, but got first round byes those years they made the playoffs with Harbaugh
Quote from: Buck87 on December 31, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: kurumi on December 31, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
(Bonus points if you can name the 1 NFC team that hasn't done so.)
without looking, I'll throw out the 49ers
wanna say they had a lot of non playoff years, but got first round byes those years they made the playoffs with Harbaugh
With looking, I'll throw out the Bucs. Last in the postseason 2007, despite a lot of mediocre-good teams.
Quote from: kurumi on December 31, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
Interesting stat: from 2010-2019, only two AFC teams never played in a wild card round. One was the Cleveland Browns. The other: the New England Patriots.
Just looked it up, and that Patriots stat is incorrect.
If you're going by calendar year, it's wrong because they lost in the wild card round on Jan 10, 2010 following the 2009 season.
If you're going by season it's wrong because they are playing in the wild card round in the 2019 season.
Also, I see my above guess of the 49ers is also wrong. Let's see if someone else can come up with it.
Edit: Alps already did
Quote from: LM117 on December 08, 2019, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
I saw this last night, and got a good laugh out of it:
"At the start of Week 12, the Redskins needed 15 straight games to break their way to win the division. The Cowboys' loss to the Bears is the 7th straight."
So, you never know - it still could be the Redskins that get to host a home playoff game! :-D
On the bright side, the Redskins helped the Panthers by sealing the deal on Ron Rivera's fate. It was tough to read about his firing, but it needed to happen. Tepper isn't fucking around.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was)
Ironically, Rivera is now the new Redskins head coach.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093440/article/ron-rivera-hired-as-new-washington-redskins-coach (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093440/article/ron-rivera-hired-as-new-washington-redskins-coach)
https://twitter.com/belkbowl/status/1212106226294808576?s=21
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: LM117 on December 31, 2019, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: LM117 on December 08, 2019, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 06, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
I saw this last night, and got a good laugh out of it:
"At the start of Week 12, the Redskins needed 15 straight games to break their way to win the division. The Cowboys' loss to the Bears is the 7th straight."
So, you never know - it still could be the Redskins that get to host a home playoff game! :-D
On the bright side, the Redskins helped the Panthers by sealing the deal on Ron Rivera's fate. It was tough to read about his firing, but it needed to happen. Tepper isn't fucking around.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/panthers-owner-david-tepper-ron-rivera-firing-thought-was)
Ironically, Rivera is now the new Redskins head coach.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093440/article/ron-rivera-hired-as-new-washington-redskins-coach (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093440/article/ron-rivera-hired-as-new-washington-redskins-coach)
Press release from the Redskins:
https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-announce-ron-rivera-as-head-coach (https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-announce-ron-rivera-as-head-coach)
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
That would make for a boring NFL weekend for the teams. One of the highlights of football is the crowd intensity. It also is a revenue generator for the teams that hosts the games. Also, how and when would you determine where a game would be held? If you pick a neutral site beforehand, it could easily be very close to one of the participating teams anyway, if not in their own stadium. If you wait until after the teams and seedings are announced, a random stadium and city has less than a week to prepare for the game. It basically becomes a logistical nightmare for all teams involved.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
That would make for a boring NFL weekend for the teams. One of the highlights of football is the crowd intensity. It also is a revenue generator for the teams that hosts the games. Also, how and when would you determine where a game would be held? If you pick a neutral site beforehand, it could easily be very close to one of the participating teams anyway, if not in their own stadium. If you wait until after the teams and seedings are announced, a random stadium and city has less than a week to prepare for the game. It basically becomes a logistical nightmare for all teams involved.
And would the games even sell out? I remember the Chargers couldn't even fill Sun Devil stadium when they had to play a game in Tempe because of fire in San Diego. The game was free to attend and I think maybe 45,000 showed up.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
No, no, no. If playoff games were all on a neutral field, teams would earn a playoff berth with weeks to spare and then rest their starters for the last few games, which would result in a huge ratings drop for the league.
Quote from: thspfc on January 02, 2020, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
No, no, no. If playoff games were all on a neutral field, teams would earn a playoff berth with weeks to spare and then rest their starters for the last few games, which would result in a huge ratings drop for the league.
Where would they find a neutral field?
Halfway between the two teams, and at the closest NFL stadium to that point?
So if it was Washington against New York, they would play in Philadelphia?
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
Quote from: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
And the Cowboys will probably still win only 7 to 9 games with whoever coaches next. It will still be headline news because nobody can seem to accept the Cowboys are a mediocre franchise.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
And the Cowboys will probably still win only 7 to 9 games with whoever coaches next. It will still be headline news because nobody can seem to accept the Cowboys are a mediocre franchise.
In the last 10 years, only 4 winning seasons, and the two really good ones (12-4 in 2014 and 13-3 in 2016), they lost to Green Bay in the divisional playoffs.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
And the Cowboys will probably still win only 7 to 9 games with whoever coaches next. It will still be headline news because Jerry Jones can't seem to accept the Cowboys are a mediocre franchise.
FTFY!
Team cohesion goes sour, often results in one person moving on. players are the same - as are the rest of us.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
And the Cowboys will probably still win only 7 to 9 games with whoever coaches next. It will still be headline news because nobody can seem to accept the Cowboys are a mediocre franchise.
Mediocre teams aren't capable of piling up 30 and 40+ points against good defenses and ending the season with a +110 point differential. The Cowboys have had a lot of head scratching-results this season, but it's more to do with bad luck, bad coaching, and inconsistency, than actual lack of talent.
Quote from: webny99 on January 03, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has been fired today.
Another team that had a miserable season this year.
And the Cowboys will probably still win only 7 to 9 games with whoever coaches next. It will still be headline news because nobody can seem to accept the Cowboys are a mediocre franchise.
Mediocre teams aren't capable of piling up 30 and 40+ points against good defenses and ending the season with a +110 point differential. The Cowboys have had a lot of head scratching-results this season, but it's more to do with bad luck, bad coaching, and inconsistency, than actual lack of talent.
Hence mediocrity, it's been over two decades since they've been really relevant. A couple good years doesn't make a team that's worthy of national headlines everyday on ESPN. People have been making similar excuses for similar results ever since they won their last Super Bowl. If this was any other team they would have faded from the National spotlight long ago.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 03, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Mediocre teams aren't capable of piling up 30 and 40+ points against good defenses and ending the season with a +110 point differential. The Cowboys have had a lot of head scratching-results this season, but it's more to do with bad luck, bad coaching, and inconsistency, than actual lack of talent.
Hence mediocrity, it's been over two decades since they've been really relevant. A couple good years doesn't make a team that's worthy of national headlines everyday on ESPN. People have been making similar excuses for similar results ever since they won their last Super Bowl. If this was any other team they would have faded from the National spotlight long ago.
Like the Redskins. Had a run of 4 Super Bowls 1982-1992 and haven't done much since.
Fans at the home games report that often you see more fans/jerseys of the opponent.
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 03, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Mediocre teams aren't capable of piling up 30 and 40+ points against good defenses and ending the season with a +110 point differential. The Cowboys have had a lot of head scratching-results this season, but it's more to do with bad luck, bad coaching, and inconsistency, than actual lack of talent.
Hence mediocrity, it's been over two decades since they've been really relevant. A couple good years doesn't make a team that's worthy of national headlines everyday on ESPN. People have been making similar excuses for similar results ever since they won their last Super Bowl. If this was any other team they would have faded from the National spotlight long ago.
Like the Redskins. Had a run of 4 Super Bowls 1982-1992 and haven't done much since.
Fans at the home games report that often you see more fans/jerseys of the opponent.
Yes, but nobody aside from probably die hard Redskins fans are anchored to the glory of the Joe Gibbs era. Similarly franchises like the; 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, and Raiders who have some checkered pasts always fall out of the spotlight when they aren't fielding a good team. So what makes the Cowboys so special that they matter so much when they have an 8-8 team? I suppose this the question of why they are the so called "America's Team." I've really never understood how the the Cowboys have so much popularity after the 90s that they remain a popular discussion point now. I seem to recall the Cowboys were on nobody's radar when they sucked in the 1980s. Nobody was riding the glory years of the 1970s, so what changed?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 11:09:49 AM
So what makes the Cowboys so special that they matter so much when they have an 8-8 team? I suppose this the question of why they are the so called "America's Team." I've really never understood how the the Cowboys have so much popularity after the 90s that they remain a popular discussion point now. I seem to recall the Cowboys were on nobody's radar when they sucked in the 1980s. Nobody was riding the glory years of the 1970s, so what changed?
Hmmmm, let me think about it.
- They have the largest fanbase.
- They're in one of the largest markets.
- They are the most valuable sports franchise in the world.
- They have a multi-billionaire owner who built a massive stadium.
Quote from: thspfc on January 03, 2020, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 11:09:49 AM
So what makes the Cowboys so special that they matter so much when they have an 8-8 team? I suppose this the question of why they are the so called "America's Team." I've really never understood how the the Cowboys have so much popularity after the 90s that they remain a popular discussion point now. I seem to recall the Cowboys were on nobody's radar when they sucked in the 1980s. Nobody was riding the glory years of the 1970s, so what changed?
Hmmmm, let me think about it.
- They have the largest fanbase.
- They're in one of the largest markets.
- They are the most valuable sports franchise in the world.
- They have a multi-billionaire owner who built a massive stadium.
Yes, I'm just questioning why the fan base is so large. It really wasn't all "that" big until the Super Bowls of the 1990s. So what is the resonating point for so many people that other multiple Super Bowl winners since haven't managed to achieve? I really don't get it, Dallas as a City is kind of bland compared to other cities like Denver, Boston or New York which all have had repeat Super Bowl Champions since they last major heyday of the Cowboys. Is there some sort of "Americana" I'm completely missing that the Cowboys are meant to represent? If so, what exactly is the draw?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 03, 2020, 12:57:26 PM
Hmmmm, let me think about it.
- They have the largest fanbase.
- They're in one of the largest markets.
- They are the most valuable sports franchise in the world.
- They have a multi-billionaire owner who built a massive stadium.
You could say that or nearly all of that of New York (19 million metro pop.) and Minneapolis (4 million), with their recent billion+ dollar stadiums.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Yes, I'm just questioning why the fan base is so large. It really wasn't all "that" big until the Super Bowls of the 1990s. So what is the resonating point for so many people that other multiple Super Bowl winners since haven't managed to achieve? I really don't get it, Dallas as a City is kind of bland compared to other cities like Denver, Boston or New York which all have had repeat Super Bowl Champions since they last major heyday of the Cowboys. Is there some sort of "Americana" I'm completely missing that the Cowboys are meant to represent? If so, what exactly is the draw?
Especially since it is only the last 20 years or so that Dallas/Fort Worth has shed (or mostly shed) its "wild west" image, no matter whether deserved or not.
After all, from the perspective of an Easterner like myself, what does the name "Cowboys" itself connote?
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 03, 2020, 12:57:26 PM
Hmmmm, let me think about it.
- They have the largest fanbase.
- They're in one of the largest markets.
- They are the most valuable sports franchise in the world.
- They have a multi-billionaire owner who built a massive stadium.
You could say that or nearly all of that of New York (19 million metro pop.) and Minneapolis (4 million), with their recent billion+ dollar stadiums.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 01:03:59 PM
Yes, I'm just questioning why the fan base is so large. It really wasn't all "that" big until the Super Bowls of the 1990s. So what is the resonating point for so many people that other multiple Super Bowl winners since haven't managed to achieve? I really don't get it, Dallas as a City is kind of bland compared to other cities like Denver, Boston or New York which all have had repeat Super Bowl Champions since they last major heyday of the Cowboys. Is there some sort of "Americana" I'm completely missing that the Cowboys are meant to represent? If so, what exactly is the draw?
Especially since it is only the last 20 years or so that Dallas/Fort Worth has shed (or mostly shed) its "wild west" image, no matter whether deserved or not.
After all, from the perspective of an Easterner like myself, what does the name "Cowboys" itself connote?
Amusingly I associate "Cowboys" with their more truer origins in Florida rather than Texas. Dallas itself is one of the least "western" cities in Texas, at certainly way less so than San Antionio or El Paso. The best I can figure is that the team (especially the name) somehow endears to those who consider themselves "rugged Americans." Of course I would venture a guess that many Cowboys fans outside of Texas would be hugely disappointed with how domestic Dallas really is.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
That would make for a boring NFL weekend for the teams. One of the highlights of football is the crowd intensity. It also is a revenue generator for the teams that hosts the games. Also, how and when would you determine where a game would be held? If you pick a neutral site beforehand, it could easily be very close to one of the participating teams anyway, if not in their own stadium. If you wait until after the teams and seedings are announced, a random stadium and city has less than a week to prepare for the game. It basically becomes a logistical nightmare for all teams involved.
How is having NFL playoff games on a neutral field any different from the NCAA's March Madness? The myriad of games held for that event are all played on a neutral court, yet don't seem to lack in attendance or create cries of "How in the world can we accommodate the event?" from the various host cities that participate.
Quote from: roadman on January 03, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
That would make for a boring NFL weekend for the teams. One of the highlights of football is the crowd intensity. It also is a revenue generator for the teams that hosts the games. Also, how and when would you determine where a game would be held? If you pick a neutral site beforehand, it could easily be very close to one of the participating teams anyway, if not in their own stadium. If you wait until after the teams and seedings are announced, a random stadium and city has less than a week to prepare for the game. It basically becomes a logistical nightmare for all teams involved.
How is having NFL playoff games on a neutral field any different from the NCAA's March Madness? The myriad of games held for that event are all played on a neutral court, yet don't seem to lack in attendance or create cries of "How in the world can we accommodate the event?" from the various host cities that participate.
There is a huge difference between trying to sell out a 15,000-18,000 Area versus a 60,000 plus stadium. Do the majority NCAA Bowl games even sell out at this at this point? You probably could count on a sell out for a couple good teams but some of these 8-8/9-7 division winners would be a tough draw on a neutral field for the asking price of an NFL ticket.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:03:13 PM
Especially since it is only the last 20 years or so that Dallas/Fort Worth has shed (or mostly shed) its "wild west" image, no matter whether deserved or not.
After all, from the perspective of an Easterner like myself, what does the name "Cowboys" itself connote?
Amusingly I associate "Cowboys" with their more truer origins in Florida rather than Texas. Dallas itself is one of the least "western" cities in Texas, at certainly way less so than San Antionio or El Paso. The best I can figure is that the team (especially the name) somehow endears to those who consider themselves "rugged Americans." Of course I would venture a guess that many Cowboys fans outside of Texas would be hugely disappointed with how domestic Dallas really is.
Dallas has grown into a world-class city of over 1.3 million population.
Fort Worth touts itself -- "Where the West Begins", the motto for Fort Worth.
Think back to 1960 when the team began, was there even any NFL team between the West Coast and St. Louis?
They got the name Cowboys before anyone else got it, and at a time when Texans were widely thought of as cowboys.
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
Think back to 1960 when the team began, was there even any NFL team between the West Coast and St. Louis?
There really aren't that many to this day
Oilers/Texans (matched by Location, not Franchise), Chiefs, Broncos all hail from the Legacy AFL side of things. The Raiders are moving a bit inland to go to Vegas
The Cardinals are a twice relocated team (so far) that has set up shop in the Phoenix area, after starting on Chicago's South Side and also spending time sharing Busch Stadium with the Baseball Cardinals in St Louis
I'm crediting the Vikings and the Saints as being Due North and South of St Louis - not perfect, geographically, but at least in relation to the Mississippi it works out
Where else would you conceivably place an NFL Franchise in the Western Plains or Rockies? Fargo? OKC? Tulsa? Omaha? Albuquerque? Colorado Springs? Salt Lake City? Boise? I'm thinking "no" to any and all of those
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I used to be in favor of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams. But I just realized that 29 out of 32 teams have made it in the past five years. Only the Jets, Browns, and Bucs, have not made it since 2014 or before.
Plus, it's kind of cool to have an intense race for the playoffs, which makes the regular season matter more.
I would, however, be in favor of wild cards hosting in the first round if they have a better recond than a division winner. The "seeding" would work the same, but it would just be the best 2 records among the 3-6 seeds that get to host. So this year the Seahawks would be hosting instead of the Eagles, while the AFC would remain unchanged.
Actually, ALL playoff games from the first round should be held on a neutral field.
That would make for a boring NFL weekend for the teams. One of the highlights of football is the crowd intensity. It also is a revenue generator for the teams that hosts the games. Also, how and when would you determine where a game would be held? If you pick a neutral site beforehand, it could easily be very close to one of the participating teams anyway, if not in their own stadium. If you wait until after the teams and seedings are announced, a random stadium and city has less than a week to prepare for the game. It basically becomes a logistical nightmare for all teams involved.
How is having NFL playoff games on a neutral field any different from the NCAA's March Madness? The myriad of games held for that event are all played on a neutral court, yet don't seem to lack in attendance or create cries of "How in the world can we accommodate the event?" from the various host cities that participate.
Here's everything one can know about attendance for the NCAA tournaments. The link is for 2019 games.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2020/Attendance.pdf
Also note...in the early rounds, multiple games are played each day at the same arena, so you have attendance figures that count on up to 8 teams playing in one day. They're not selling 15,000 tickets for one game, they're selling 15,000 tickets to watch 4 games. People generally only watch the game they're interested in, so the arena is relatively empty.
The final 4 and the final game are more Superbowl-type games and can draw much larger crowds.
I'll have to look up at a later time stories I've read from teams talking about the travel issues that go along with these games. They have to start out a few weeks in advance to make the travel arrangements with hotels, just hoping they get to play the game.
But don't forget...the original statement was to play neutral site games for the first series of games, not a Superbowl-type gsme. Using that link above, you'll see that overall they're not well attended games for Division I schools (when factoring in the multiple games played in one day), and the arena are virtually empty for Div. II & III schools.
I have tickets to the Wildcard game this weekend. The ticket price is the SAME as a regular season game! So if the NFL won't increase the price for Wildcard series games, they know people aren't going to travel to a neutral site for these same games!
I'll take the Tigers to win the CFP National Championship, and I'll also take the team with the red, white and blue bovine logo to win this first game of the NFL wildcard round
Quote from: Buck87 on January 04, 2020, 03:09:48 PM
I'll take the Tigers to win the CFP National Championship, and I'll also take the team with the red, white and blue bovine logo to win this first game of the NFL wildcard round
Could you please be more specific? 😉
I have a lot of respect for the Houston Texans and especially Deshaun Watson for the huge comeback they mounted today.
But, I still have more respect for the Buffalo Bills, because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING would have been more on-brand, at the end of their first successful season in 25 years, than building up a comfortable 16-pt third quarter lead in the playoffs, completely blowing it in gut wrenching fashion, rallying to force overtime, getting a possession in overtime, going nowhere, and then the league-best D allowing an incredible play to seal the loss. What else could anyone have expected?? Gotta love it. :meh:
Well I'd say that's the end of the Evil Empire, way to go out with a thud.
Pick 6 !
As a MA resident, everyone will hate me (at first), but I am happy that the Patriots lost. I say this because I do not watch football and don't have to listen to everyone else rant about them for the next month.
Quote from: Ben114 on January 04, 2020, 11:28:23 PM
As a MA resident, everyone will hate me (at first), but I am happy that the Patriots lost. I say this because I do not watch football and don't have to listen to everyone else rant about them for the next month.
I don't think those rants will stop, they'll just be oriented if the Patriots are done.
Was that Tom Brady's last game ever?
It has been an emotional evening to say the least...
The 2 AFC South teams advance, shutting out the AFC East, and... the Pats are NOT Super Bowl bound. :clap:
Who had the better win, Texans or Titans?
Both did it in style. Bill's fans totally expect this type of defeat, but it's a massive, massive reality check for Pats fans.
Wow, wow, and more wow.
This will be the first time since the 2010-11 season that the Patriots will not appear in the AFC Championship game
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As a MA resident, everyone will hate me (at first), but I am happy that the Patriots lost. I say this because I do not watch football and don't have to listen to everyone else rant about them for the next month.
I don't think those rants will stop, they'll just be oriented if the Patriots are done.
And what will happen to Brady
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Quote from: Ben114 on January 04, 2020, 11:28:23 PM
As a MA resident, everyone will hate me (at first), but I am happy that the Patriots lost. I say this because I do not watch football and don't have to listen to everyone else rant about them for the next month.
I don't think those rants will stop, they'll just be oriented if the Patriots are done.
And what will happen to Brady
He should have retired after they won last year.
How about them Patriots? Shame we can't tag other users... :spin:
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Quote from: Ben114 on January 04, 2020, 11:28:23 PM
As a MA resident, everyone will hate me (at first), but I am happy that the Patriots lost. I say this because I do not watch football and don't have to listen to everyone else rant about them for the next month.
I don't think those rants will stop, they'll just be oriented if the Patriots are done.
And what will happen to Brady
He should have retired after they won last year.
Contrary to popular perception most athletes don't retire at the pinnacle of their career or with a championship. Looks like John Elway and Peyton Manning knew when to call it quits, the decline in Brady's performance this year was just as noticeable.
Quote from: webny99 on January 04, 2020, 11:00:21 PM
I have a lot of respect for the Houston Texans and especially Deshaun Watson for the huge comeback they mounted today.
But, I still have more respect for the Buffalo Bills, because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING would have been more on-brand, at the end of their first successful season in 25 years, than building up a comfortable 16-pt third quarter lead in the playoffs, completely blowing it in gut wrenching fashion, rallying to force overtime, getting a possession in overtime, going nowhere, and then the league-best D allowing an incredible play to seal the loss. What else could anyone have expected?? Gotta love it. :meh:
When Buffalo lost their first Super Bowl, the game ended with a 47 yard FG that missed. This time around sees Houshka, who was a great kicker in Seattle, tie the game from 47. Even making the longish FG was not enough to help the hapless Bills.
Things could be worse. Think Cleveland...
Rick
Quote from: cl94 on January 04, 2020, 11:39:57 PM
How about them Patriots? Shame we can't tag other users... :spin:
Hey it was a historic run
I remain a Tanny fan after his time in Miami. Very happy for him today (even if he wasn't completely responsible for their win).
Quote from: cl94 on January 04, 2020, 11:39:57 PM
How about them Patriots? Shame we can't tag other users... :spin:
Yeah, they suck. Winning six super bowls in 20 years? Anyone could do that.
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Quote from: cl94 on January 04, 2020, 11:39:57 PM
How about them Patriots? Shame we can't tag other users... :spin:
Yeah, they suck. Winning six super bowls in 20 years? Anyone could do that.
With the right relationships with the NFL commissioner, sure.
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How about them Patriots? Shame we can't tag other users... :spin:
Yeah, they suck. Winning six super bowls in 20 years? Anyone could do that.
With the right relationships with the NFL commissioner, sure.
The first 3 under the shadow of high-level cheating, at that.
With the first NFC game in the books, I only have one thing to say...
BLEW DAT!
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With the first NFC game in the books, I only have one thing to say...
BLEW DAT!
Isn't that kind of the signature of the Saints to blow playoff games that they ought to have won?
Wentz in injured
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Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
With the first NFC game in the books, I only have one thing to say...
BLEW DAT!
Isn't that kind of the signature of the Saints to blow playoff games that they ought to have won?
The Saints, unlike the Patriots, actually deserved the bye, and that hurts right now. Also unlike the Patriots, they didn't cost themselves the bye by blowing a Week 17 game to a terrible opponent. They stomped the Panthers 42-10. All they needed for the bye was a Seattle win OR a Lions win... both of which came down to last-second inches. It's a bad run of bad luck more than anything, and IMO missing the bye is the more frustrating part of it than losing to the Vikings.
I am foreseeing a Niners-Seahawks championship rematch right now... it would have sounded crazy just a few short hours ago, but seems almost inevitable now. :popcorn:
It is also of note that the Chiefs are the only first-round bye team from last year still standing.
Rams missed the playoffs, Pats and Saints lost this weekend.
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With the first NFC game in the books, I only have one thing to say...
BLEW DAT!
Isn't that kind of the signature of the Saints to blow playoff games that they ought to have won?
The Saints, unlike the Patriots, actually deserved the bye, and that hurts right now. Also unlike the Patriots, they didn't cost themselves the bye by blowing a Week 17 game to a terrible opponent. They stomped the Panthers 42-10. All they needed for the bye was a Seattle win OR a Lions win... both of which came down to last-second inches. It's a bad run of bad luck more than anything, and IMO missing the bye is the more frustrating part of it than losing to the Vikings.
I am foreseeing a Niners-Seahawks championship rematch right now... it would have sounded crazy just a few short hours ago, but seems almost inevitable now. :popcorn:
Either way the Saints have gotten into the habit of letting teams hang around with them in the playoffs and win on questionable calls. For all that regular season flare they have they sure play down to the competition come playoff time. Its a good thing Drew Brees and Sean Payton have at least one Super Bowl otherwise they would be scrutinized a whole hell of a lot more than they are now.
Saints also shot themselves in the foot badly today. The Brees pick was bad, and led to a Vikings TD. The fumble cost them a chance to win in regulation. Missed FG at halftime. Penalty on a fake punt prevented them from getting a first down. Bizarre clock management in the final seconds of regulation. Vikings outplayed them except for the 4th quarter, but the Saints hurt themselves too.
The Saints' loss today reminded me of the Bills' loss last night. A million chances to win the game, but they kept shooting themselves in the foot.
I just want to say...
I LIKE THAT!
One sign that the Super Bowl will be a great game this year: The Cheatriots will not be in it!
Seattle closes out the wild-card round with a win over the Eagles in Philly.
The divisional round will line up this way:
Minnesota at San Francisco
Seattle at Green Bay
Tennessee at Baltimore
Houston at Kansas City
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
Matt Rhule is the new Panthers head coach.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-matt-rhule-agreement-head-coach (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-matt-rhule-agreement-head-coach)
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Matt Rhule is the new Panthers head coach.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-matt-rhule-agreement-head-coach (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-matt-rhule-agreement-head-coach)
That might be a bit of a reach even with the turnaround at Temple and Baylor. Either way at least the Panthers seem to be trying to make a splash with a coaching hire rather than go through the list of expected names from the NFL level.
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This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes could be the next Brady vs Manning (in a sense; one would be stupid to compare Brady and Manning to qb's who have spent a combined five seasons in the pros).
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
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This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
No --
New England
Dallas
Pittsburgh
!!
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This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
that's just because you hate greatness
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
I echo those sentiments. Being a Cheesehead hater myself, I'm now rooting for an NFC West matchup in the conference championship game. As for the AFC side, any of those four teams can win, but I'll go with Baltimore and Kansas City.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
that's just because you hate greatness
You can change the whole conversation by strategically removing the Packers quote, but otherwise not changing a thing :-)
(Alps really did say that, but not in that context)
I like Green Bay. They were my team growing up in the 1960s in Florida when there were no NFL teams within a thousand miles of there.
Quote from: Henry on January 10, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
I echo those sentiments. Being a Cheesehead hater myself,
I'll agree completely with this part.
QuoteI'm now rooting for an NFC West matchup in the conference championship game.
And strongly disagree with this part.
At this point, I don't care who gets to the Super Bowl, just as long as the Vikqueens lose (preferably in spectacular fashion).
The posts about football are old but I am replying anyhow. I spent five years (1966 thru 1970)as equipment man for the Virginia Sailors in the Atlantic Coast Football League. Always enjoy chatting about my time in the minors,
Quote from: silkroad on January 10, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
The posts about football are old but I am replying anyhow. I spent five years (1966 thru 1970)as equipment man for the Virginia Sailors in the Atlantic Coast Football League. Always enjoy chatting about my time in the minors,
I've never heard of them.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
that's just because you hate greatness
Umm, what? You were the one who spent three pages hating the Patriots.
I'm from Wisconsin, and I hate the Packers. I stopped believing in them 4-5 years ago, because I was sick of watching a team that seemed oblivious to their own shortcomings, and repeatedly relied on one player to bail them out of sure defeat. Even when they were winning, it was a terribly mismanaged team. Less so now, but I'm not going to crawl back at this point.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
That 70s porno mustache is pretty epically awful.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
Then you must hated Favre :spin:
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Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
Then you must hated Favre :spin:
Erin Rogers and Brett Favor, two of the greats...LOL! Now if you want difficult names for a broadcaster, try the ones for Polynesian players. A Scrabble player flooded with vowels would like them but that's about it!
Rick
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Quote from: cabiness42 on January 06, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
that's just because you hate greatness
Umm, what? You were the one who spent three pages hating the Patriots.
I'm from Wisconsin, and I hate the Packers. I stopped believing in them 4-5 years ago, because I was sick of watching a team that seemed oblivious to their own shortcomings, and repeatedly relied on one player to bail them out of sure defeat. Even when they were winning, it was a terribly mismanaged team. Less so now, but I'm not going to crawl back at this point.
Kurumi misquoted me with humorous intent, and you misquoted his misquote...
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This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
that's just because you hate greatness
Umm, what? You were the one who spent three pages hating the Patriots.
I'm from Wisconsin, and I hate the Packers. I stopped believing in them 4-5 years ago, because I was sick of watching a team that seemed oblivious to their own shortcomings, and repeatedly relied on one player to bail them out of sure defeat. Even when they were winning, it was a terribly mismanaged team. Less so now, but I'm not going to crawl back at this point.
Kurumi misquoted me with humorous intent, and you misquoted his misquote...
Interception!
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This will be only the second Super Bowl since 2004 in which the starting QB for the AFC Champions is none of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger or Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco started for Baltimore in 2013.
Thank goodness!
It is so nice having the playoffs now free of those teams, but especially free of the Cheatriots.
It's just too bad the Packers are in it. I am so sick of Aaron Rodgers. While they have missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons before that they were there like 10 years in a row.
that's just because you hate greatness
Umm, what? You were the one who spent three pages hating the Patriots.
I'm from Wisconsin, and I hate the Packers. I stopped believing in them 4-5 years ago, because I was sick of watching a team that seemed oblivious to their own shortcomings, and repeatedly relied on one player to bail them out of sure defeat. Even when they were winning, it was a terribly mismanaged team. Less so now, but I'm not going to crawl back at this point.
Kurumi misquoted me with humorous intent, and you misquoted his misquote...
Interception!
More like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrmRTnlil0U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrmRTnlil0U)
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I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
Then you must hated Favre :spin:
Erin Rogers and Brett Favor, two of the greats...LOL! Now if you want difficult names for a broadcaster, try the ones for Polynesian players. A Scrabble player flooded with vowels would like them but that's about it!
Rick
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/25/68/ee25687bdad83ffb2d74923e46d4ad7e.jpg)
Can the Ravens come back from a 14-0 deficit?
We never got to find out in the regular season, because they always built up an early lead and then ran the ball. Now we're about to find out in the playoffs! :paranoid:
So far, I feel like this is perfect karma for Mile High Miracle, when the Ravens were in the exact position the Tians are in now. We shall see. Yet another reminder not to buy in to the big hyped-up narratives in the NFL, because literally anything can and does happen in any given game.
I do feel it was pretty clearly a bad decision by the Ravens to rest their starters in Week 17. 1 week off is great, but 2 weeks off is just too much.
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2020, 09:20:46 PM
Can the Ravens come back from a 14-0 deficit?
We never got to find out in the regular season, because they always built up an early lead and then ran the ball. Now we're about to find out in the playoffs!
14-6. At least back to one TD plus 2-point.
Number #1 vs #6 seed should do better!
Quote from: Beltway on January 11, 2020, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 11, 2020, 09:20:46 PM
Can the Ravens come back from a 14-0 deficit?
We never got to find out in the regular season, because they always built up an early lead and then ran the ball. Now we're about to find out in the playoffs!
14-6. At least back to one TD plus 2-point.
Number #1 vs #6 seed should do better!
21-6 now, the Ravens look overmatched thus far. I'm kind of sick of Baltimore being in it every year, I wouldn't mind seeing the upset. Wow, Titans just made Lamar Jackson fumble!...damn never would have seen this coming.
28-6 now with 19 minutes left.
So, how about them Ravens?
They choked!
Wow!
This is definitely the Titans moment. They haven't kicked a FG since, what, the end of October?
I'm happy for them, but still really disappointed we don't get a Chiefs-Ravens championship.
Quote from: Beltway on January 11, 2020, 11:29:33 PM
They choked!
It's more of the Titans forced Lamar Jackson to pass and couldn't stop making mistakes. In turn the Titans controlled the tempo of the game with running the ball effectively. It seems that strong pocket passing still is what wins in the playoffs.
I love a good upset. Tannehill had a great game, and it looked to me like the Ravens defense couldn't figure out how to stop the run game effectively.
Nobody mentioned the Vikings? Good. Let's leave it that way.
Wait...
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 12:23:05 AM
Nobody mentioned the Vikings? Good. Let's leave it that way.
Wait...
I was hoping they'd at least get past this game before imploding
Well, that was an interesting pair of games on Saturday! The Vikes were a no-show on O after the 1st quarter while the Ravens made more mistakes in one game than they would have made in half a season. Even if Sunday's games go to form (GB and KC win), the playoffs are more interesting than ever due to the upset of what was supposedly the top NFL team.
Remember the Titans, for they have won on the road in New England and Baltimore. Truly amazing!
Rick
It was a bad day for purple teams
Now that Baltimore is out, I'll be ok with whoever wins the Super Bowl
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Quote from: 1995hoo on January 10, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
I have no problem with Aaron Rodgers other than that he misspells his last name. :biggrin:
Then you must hated Favre :spin:
Nah, I don't care about that. Certain posters would understand the reason for my comment, though I don't know whether any of those people read this thread.
Quote from: Buck87 on January 12, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
It was a bad day for purple teams
Now that Baltimore is out, I'll be ok with whoever wins the Super Bowl
Green Bay and Seattle are the only typical front runners left, one will be eliminated today. I would be nice to get two fresh teams in the Super Bowl, that's essentially assured on the AFC side. The line on the Chiefs/Texans game is 10 points, personally I think it's going to be a better game than that.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
Green Bay and Seattle are the only typical front runners left, one will be eliminated today. I would be nice to get two fresh teams in the Super Bowl, that's essentially assured on the AFC side. The line on the Chiefs/Texans game is 10 points, personally I think it's going to be a better game than that.
The Kansas City Chiefs played in Super Bowls I and IV.
Lost to Green Bay 35-10
Beat Minnesota 23-7
Quote from: Beltway on January 12, 2020, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
Green Bay and Seattle are the only typical front runners left, one will be eliminated today. I would be nice to get two fresh teams in the Super Bowl, that's essentially assured on the AFC side. The line on the Chiefs/Texans game is 10 points, personally I think it's going to be a better game than that.
The Kansas City Chiefs played in Super Bowls I and IV.
Lost to Green Bay 35-10
Beat Minnesota 23-7
Yes I'm aware they have been to Super Bowl, it would just be a well change of pace from all the regulars of this past decade. Even the 49ers at this point would be a way more interesting representative in the Super Bowl over the Packers or Sea Hawks. Who would in the causal sense would have made that statement in the 1980s or early 1990s?
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
Yeah once the ball got rolling it essentially steam rolled the Texans. They really didn't put up much of a fight after getting that big lead. I kept expecting that happen in the Baltimore game but the Titans did a way better job at slowing the game down.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
A new first in the NFL playoffs --
Overcome a deficit of at least 20 points, and then win by at least 20 points.
Now Packers 28-10.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
Of course they did. They had to blow a 24 pt lead and allow 41 unanswered just to make sure everyone knows they are, indeed, inferior to the Bills, who didn't allow 41 pts all season and in fact allowed 25+ (which the Chiefs racked up in a single quarter) just once. :D
It's crazy that we were pretty much all lined up to have Chiefs-Titans in the Wild Card round a few weeks ago. Some Fitzmagic and two huge Titans upsets later, and we get Chiefs-Titans in the championship instead!
If the Titans can beat KC to punch their tickets to the Super Bowl, they absolutely deserve it. That would mean they beat ALL of the 1-4 seeds, on the road, in 4 consecutive weeks. An astounding feat no matter what you think of them, and a heck of a deep, out-of-nowhere, playoff run even if they dont make it to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Beltway on January 12, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
Now Packers 28-10.
Down to 28-23 with the 2pt pending.
Close in the 4th quarter, just like every other Seahawks game in the past decade.
Looking at possible SB matchups:
KC-GB: A rematch of the first Super Bowl
KC-SF: The best game between these two was when Montana led the Chiefs to the win.
Ten-GB: No real past makes this an interesting matchup.
Ten-SF: Two physical teams would make for quite the game.
No matter who makes it to the grand finale. the game should be a dandy!
Rick
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2020, 09:02:34 PM
If the Titans can beat KC to punch their tickets to the Super Bowl, they absolutely deserve it. That would mean they beat ALL of the 1-4 seeds, on the road, in 4 consecutive weeks. An astounding feat no matter what you think of them, and a heck of a deep, out-of-nowhere, playoff run even if they dont make it to the Super Bowl.
Another way to say it: The Titans, to get in the Playoffs and then once in, would have beaten all four AFC Division Champs, in 4 consecutive weeks, to send Tannehill back to Miami, bringing Music City with him!
But in the current Playoff format, the top four seeds in each Conference Playoff, are the four Division winners
Quote from: nexus73 on January 12, 2020, 09:52:10 PM
Looking at possible SB matchups:
KC-GB: A rematch of the first Super Bowl
How many rematch Super Bowls have there been?
My favorite was Washington and Miami.
Disappointed that the Redskins lost in 1973, but satisfied that they won in 1983.
Quote from: Beltway on January 13, 2020, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 12, 2020, 09:52:10 PM
Looking at possible SB matchups:
KC-GB: A rematch of the first Super Bowl
How many rematch Super Bowls have there been?
My favorite was Washington and Miami.
Disappointed that the Redskins lost in 1973, but satisfied that they won in 1983.
Don't forget the Pittsburgh-Dallas Super Bowls. They were always dandys!
SF-Cincy met twice. The first one was the highest rated Super Bowl at the time, which seems strange considering neither franchise was "national" like the Cowboys, Raiders and Steelers were back then.
Buffalo-Dallas was played twice. Ouch for the Bills both times.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on January 13, 2020, 12:29:33 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 13, 2020, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 12, 2020, 09:52:10 PM
Looking at possible SB matchups:
KC-GB: A rematch of the first Super Bowl
How many rematch Super Bowls have there been?
My favorite was Washington and Miami.
Disappointed that the Redskins lost in 1973, but satisfied that they won in 1983.
Don't forget the Pittsburgh-Dallas Super Bowls. They were always dandys!
SF-Cincy met twice. The first one was the highest rated Super Bowl at the time, which seems strange considering neither franchise was "national" like the Cowboys, Raiders and Steelers were back then.
Buffalo-Dallas was played twice. Ouch for the Bills both times.
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/history-super-bowl-rematches
There have been eight rematches in the big game's 53-year history.
The 17 years between the New England Patriots' and Los Angeles Rams' Super Bowl meetings tied the Dallas Cowboys' and Pittsburgh Steelers' rematch in Super Bowl XXX for the longest period between rematches in the history of the big game. Over the years, there have been eight rematches in Super Bowl history.
Super Bowl XIII
Rematch: Pittsburgh Steelers 35, Dallas Cowboys 31
Super Bowl XVII
Rematch: Washington Redskins 27, Miami Dolphins 17
Super Bowl XXIII
Rematch: San Francisco 49ers 20, Cincinnati Bengals 16
Super Bowl XXVIII
Rematch: Dallas Cowboys 30, Buffalo Bills 13
Super Bowl XXX
Rematch: Dallas Cowboys 27, Pittsburgh Steelers 17
Super Bowl XLVI
Rematch: New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17
Super Bowl LII
Rematch: Philadelphia Eagles 41, New England Patriots 33
Super Bowl LIII
Rematch: New England Patriots 13, Los Angeles Rams 3
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
Put me on board with that!
It seems highly improbable at this point that the Packers are Super-Bowl bound. They're good, but not nearly as good as their record would indicate, having won 5 straight one score games, plus losing by 15 to the Chargers and losing by 29 (!) to the same Niners they'll face in the championship.
Niners/Chiefs certainly seems like the most entertaining matchup. But it's really hard to doubt the Titans or the Chiefs at this point.
This upcoming weekend is the first all-humanoid (people or giant people) conference championship week since 2007 (which was Pats, Chargers, Giants, Packers).
Also TIL there have been more Super Bowls (started 1966) than NFC or AFC conference championships (merger in 1970). Probably well known to bigger football fans.
Quote from: kurumi on January 13, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
This upcoming weekend is the first all-humanoid (people or giant people) conference championship week since 2007 (which was Pats, Chargers, Giants, Packers).
Also TIL there have been more Super Bowls (started 1966) than NFC or AFC conference championships (merger in 1970). Probably well known to bigger football fans.
A Charger is a humanoid? I used to think they were named after forced air induction from their discotastic theme song:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
A Charger is a humanoid? I used to think they were named after forced air induction from their discotastic theme song:
The lightning bolt logo suggests electrical charging --
Except for color changes along the way, the Chargers have essentially used the logo of an arc-shaped lightning bolt since the team debuted in 1960. Here is something else --
According to the official website of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Barron Hilton agreed after his general manager, Frank Leahy, picked the Chargers name when he purchased an AFL franchise for Los Angeles: "I liked it because they were yelling 'charge' and sounding the bugle at Dodger Stadium and at USC games."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chargers
The Chargers might have the best music in football. Show your lightning bolt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6_JEpMO_MM
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn’t even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
unanswered
consecutive
LSU made quite a comeback from being down but not out tonight. Go Tigers!
Impressive resume, impressive win, impressive season for Joe Burrow and LSU. He went from an afterthought to first pick.
That was a great championship game
Quote from: ET21 on January 14, 2020, 09:02:03 AM
That was a great championship game
It was pretty dull after LSU got out to an 11 point lead. But then again I don't find constantly seeing teams from the Southeast in the National Championship so it lost most of my attention after that absurdly long half time.
Quote from: texaskdog on January 13, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
The Chiefs/Texans games has been wild so far. The Texans went up 24-0 but the Chiefs scored 28 unanswered and it isn't even half time.
And then the Texans proceeded to lose by twenty points.
unanswered
consecutive
OK, OK. They are not unanswered now, but they were at one point, and that's what matters.
I actually don't have any problem with "unanswered" being used to refer to a point in the past. It's not like it's an exclusive term that can only be used to describe the present situation.
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
While I think the 49ers will win the NFC, a big part of me really wants the Packers to win it all just to piss off the haters.
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
Even the best college teams still couldn't beat the worst NFL teams. NFL teams are filled with the best college players, even when those teams are completely awful. There is no comparison between the speed of an NFL team and a NCAA team.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
Even the best college teams still couldn’t beat the worst NFL teams. NFL teams are filled with the best college players, even when those teams are completely awful. There is no comparison between the speed of an NFL team and a NCAA team.
I....KNOW...THAT....!!!!
Thus the "LOL". Get a sense of humor Max. Maybe you can find one at 7-Eleven. I think they are next to the beer!
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
Even the best college teams still couldn't beat the worst NFL teams. NFL teams are filled with the best college players, even when those teams are completely awful. There is no comparison between the speed of an NFL team and a NCAA team.
I....KNOW...THAT....!!!!
Thus the "LOL". Get a sense of humor Max. Maybe you can find one at 7-Eleven. I think they are next to the beer!
Rick
You put "LOL" at the end of so many of your posts that it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly has thrown in the towel...
https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement (https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement)
Quote from: 1 on January 15, 2020, 09:34:05 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
Even the best college teams still couldn’t beat the worst NFL teams. NFL teams are filled with the best college players, even when those teams are completely awful. There is no comparison between the speed of an NFL team and a NCAA team.
I....KNOW...THAT....!!!!
Thus the "LOL". Get a sense of humor Max. Maybe you can find one at 7-Eleven. I think they are next to the beer!
Rick
You put "LOL" at the end of so many of your posts that it doesn't mean anything anymore.
It not meaning anything to you is YOUR problem buddy!
Rick
Quote from: DaBigE on January 15, 2020, 01:20:30 AM
While I think the 49ers will win the NFC, a big part of me really wants the Packers to win it all just to piss off the haters.
I have nothing against the Packers, but it's painstakingly obvious that they don't belong in the championship. They are profoundly mediocre, and have been all season. The Saints, Ravens, and even the Patriots, among others, are much more deserving of a spot in the championship.
Quote from: LM117 on January 15, 2020, 10:32:05 AM
Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly has thrown in the towel...
https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement (https://www.panthers.com/news/luke-kuechly-announces-retirement)
Sorry to see him go. But not surprising, with the string of increasingly debilitating concussions he's suffered during his NFL career. More likely that he retired a little too late, rather than too early.
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 15, 2020, 01:20:30 AM
While I think the 49ers will win the NFC, a big part of me really wants the Packers to win it all just to piss off the haters.
I have nothing against the Packers, but it's painstakingly obvious that they don't belong in the championship. They are profoundly mediocre, and have been all season. The Saints, Ravens, and even the Patriots, among others, are much more deserving of a spot in the championship.
Yet they controlled most of the game with Seattle and managed to win 13 games.
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 15, 2020, 01:20:30 AM
While I think the 49ers will win the NFC, a big part of me really wants the Packers to win it all just to piss off the haters.
I have nothing against the Packers, but it's painstakingly obvious that they don't belong in the championship. They are profoundly mediocre, and have been all season. The Saints, Ravens, and even the Patriots, among others, are much more deserving of a spot in the championship.
While some of their play on the field may be mediocre (dare anyone to say that to the faces of the Smith "brothers"), a truly mediocre team would have found ways to lose more games, at least IMO. Every game needs to be a blowout for a team to be a legit contender?
Certainly I don't think every game needs to be a blowout in order for a team to be a contender. But, the Packers don't really have any blowout wins over the course of 17 games, and they have managed to win 13 of them while not really being dominant or looking like a true top tier team in any of them. Again, that's not saying they're bad, just that they lucked their way into the 2 seed and aren't very deserving of being in the championship, especially over the Saints. The other 3 championship teams have accomplished plenty this season - and in the playoffs - to prove why they deserve a shot at the Super Bowl, and the Packers simply have not (IMO).
^ And with a rookie head coach! ^
:-o
Mike
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 07:58:09 PM
Certainly I don't think every game needs to be a blowout in order for a team to be a contender. But, the Packers don't really have any blowout wins over the course of 17 games, and they have managed to win 13 of them while not really being dominant or looking like a true top tier team in any of them. Again, that's not saying they're bad, just that they lucked their way into the 2 seed and aren't very deserving of being in the championship, especially over the Saints. The other 3 championship teams have accomplished plenty this season - and in the playoffs - to prove why they deserve a shot at the Super Bowl, and the Packers simply have not (IMO).
So, in essence, you're saying that a 9-7 team is better than a 13-3 team. Not hating on the Titans, but that's ridiculous. It's as if winning 13 close games counts for less than winning 9 games (no matter if they were close or not), while also losing 7 games.
I know what you're going to say next: "The Packers got blown out by the only good team they played." Well, the Packers also have a 7-2 record against teams .500 or better. The Titans? 4-3. The Saints? 5-3, and one of those was at home in the playoffs (against a team that GB beat twice.) I'm sorry, but don't make that argument. I'll eat my words if Tennessee beats the Chiefs, but I don't think that will happen.
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 07:58:09 PM
Certainly I don't think every game needs to be a blowout in order for a team to be a contender. But, the Packers don't really have any blowout wins over the course of 17 games, and they have managed to win 13 of them while not really being dominant or looking like a true top tier team in any of them. Again, that's not saying they're bad, just that they lucked their way into the 2 seed and aren't very deserving of being in the championship, especially over the Saints. The other 3 championship teams have accomplished plenty this season - and in the playoffs - to prove why they deserve a shot at the Super Bowl, and the Packers simply have not (IMO).
Yawn. They're 14-3 and in the NFC Championship. That means they are good.
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Yawn. They're 14-3 and in the NFC Championship. That means they are good.
The 14-2 Baltimore Ravens were the #1 seed in the AFC and had a first round bye and they couldn't beat a 9-7 #6 seed wildcard and in Baltimore.
Of course there have been at least two 15-1 teams that flamed out before getting to a conference championship game. :-(
Record isn't everything, for a multitude of reasons, three of the big ones being: (1) strength of schedule, (2) luck in close games, and (3) in-season adjustments. I don't think it's bold at all to say the Titans are currently a better team than the Packers. 538.com's Elo prediction model agrees (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo)!
Sure, no doubt the Packers had the better
season, but the Titans wasted the first half of theirs and have been on fire ever since. In the past two weeks, they've easily proved they have the higher upside, even if they've been less consistent.
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Yawn. They're 14-3 and in the NFC Championship. That means they are good.
Indeed. I
am yawning about the Pack... a contrast to my feelings about the other 3 contenders :D
Quote from: Beltway on January 15, 2020, 09:10:19 PM
Of course there have been at least two 15-1 teams that flamed out before getting to a conference championship game. :-(
And don't forget the 18-0 team that lost the Super Bowl.
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
Record isn't everything, for a multitude of reasons, three of the big ones being: (1) strength of schedule, (2) luck in close games, and (3) in-season adjustments. I don't think it's bold at all to say the Titans are currently a better team than the Packers. 538.com's Elo prediction model agrees (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo)!
Strength of schedule? When did the NFL turn into the FBS? One of the things I've heard said time and time again, was how any NFL team has the chance of beating any other team on any given Sunday (or Monday or Thursday...). Until something major changes, the record
is everything in the end. What you call luck, others will call coaching skill or great defense. And what the hell does "in-season adjustments" even mean? Next you'll want to throw in factors of weather, dome vs open air stadium, or who's on the IR (and if that's the case, the Packers and a few other teams are due a ton of retroactive credit for massive IR lists from seasons past).
In the end, IMO, if the Packers are so bad, I think the 49ers would have been a hell of a lot cockier in their past few press quotes.
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 15, 2020, 09:10:19 PM
Of course there have been at least two 15-1 teams that flamed out before getting to a conference championship game. :-(
And don't forget the 18-0 team that lost the Super Bowl.
The Giants were the #6 seed and 10-6 but were certainly hot at the latter part of the season and in the playoffs, winning 3 playoff games on the road. Anyone who can go into Green Bay in January and win a playoff game is to be feared!
Won Wild Card Playoffs (Buccaneers) 24—14
Won Divisional Playoffs (Cowboys) 21—17
Won NFC Championship (Packers) 23—20
Won Super Bowl XLII (Patriots) 17—14
The Giants were rated as 12-point underdogs but I personally gave them an even chance to beat New England.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
Record isn't everything, for a multitude of reasons, three of the big ones being: (1) strength of schedule, (2) luck in close games, and (3) in-season adjustments. I don't think it's bold at all to say the Titans are currently a better team than the Packers. 538.com's Elo prediction model agrees (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo)!
Strength of schedule? When did the NFL turn into the FBS? One of the things I've heard said time and time again, was how any NFL team has the chance of beating any other team on any given Sunday (or Monday or Thursday...). Until something major changes, the record is everything in the end. What you call luck, others will call coaching skill or great defense. And what the hell does "in-season adjustments" even mean? Next you'll want to throw in factors of weather, dome vs open air stadium, or who's on the IR (and if that's the case, the Packers and a few other teams are due a ton of retroactive credit for massive IR lists from seasons past).
In the end, IMO, if the Packers are so bad, I think the 49ers would have been a hell of a lot cockier in their past few press quotes.
In season adjustments?
The Titans benching Mariota for Tannehill.
The Chiefs defense going from (almost) worst to (almost) first. That type of thing.
I've said too much about the Packers. The Niners, for their part, are simply too smart to get cocky. That's exactly what the Ravens did, and look what happened. A classic example of being the victim of their own success. You relax and enjoy the holidays, put it in cruise, assume an easy W, and you get smacked. Every time.
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 09:33:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 15, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 14, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
49ers/Chiefs SB :popcorn:
That would be good hopefully it will be anyone but the Packers winning it Aaron Rodgers already has a super bowl ring. The other 3 qbs don't.
Hmmm, for a football fan with no dog in the fight, that fan could use your idea to get excited! It would be neat to see a new QB grab the ring and maybe the MVP as well.
Since I am West Coast with family SF ties going back to 1912 (maternal grandma in Oakland) and 1932 (mother born in SF) plus having watched them for decades along with the Raiders, means I am pulling for the Niners on the NFC side. However I would love to see the Titans win and become the ultimate underdog SB winner. Beating four division champs as the road team and the #6 seed would go down as a very special bit of history.
At least those pro teams don't have to face LSU right now...LOL!
Rick
Even the best college teams still couldn't beat the worst NFL teams. NFL teams are filled with the best college players, even when those teams are completely awful. There is no comparison between the speed of an NFL team and a NCAA team.
I....KNOW...THAT....!!!!
Thus the "LOL". Get a sense of humor Max. Maybe you can find one at 7-Eleven. I think they are next to the beer!
Rick
Sarcasm is hard to convey online. Nonetheless that sentiment about the NCAA championship being better than the worst NFL team is a fairly popular thing to throw out there by a lot of football fans. Granted, like I said above the speed of the NFL game is way faster than the college game due to the talent level being so much higher. The best college teams might have a couple NFL guys, the NFL teams have nothing but the best college players.
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
USC would be helped in finding their way back if they could get their hands on a coach like Ed Orgeron.
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
I'm not sure what to think about Ohio State...they can run the Big Ten, but they seem to regularly crap the bed once they get to a big bowl game.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
USC would be helped in finding their way back if they could get their hands on a coach like Ed Orgeron.
Having Orgeron as a fill in head coach did not lead to a contract to stay a Trojan, which sure must be leaving USC fans wondering "what if?".
It looks like the real key hire in Baton Rouge was having what amounted to a second offensive coordinator hired at LSU, who designed the offense while leaving the playcalling to the original offensive coordinator, who was a former LSU QB.
Head coaches get the credit and blame but the guts of the operation are the assistants in my opinion. Good ones move on and up. That took the starch out of USC under Pete Carroll.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
USC would be helped in finding their way back if they could get their hands on a coach like Ed Orgeron.
Having Orgeron as a fill in head coach did not lead to a contract to stay a Trojan, which sure must be leaving USC fans wondering "what if?".
It looks like the real key hire in Baton Rouge was having what amounted to a second offensive coordinator hired at LSU, who designed the offense while leaving the playcalling to the original offensive coordinator, who was a former LSU QB.
Head coaches get the credit and blame but the guts of the operation are the assistants in my opinion. Good ones move on and up. That took the starch out of USC under Pete Carroll.
Rick
You don't need to explain the importance of assistant coaches to me. I spent 1993 as a student manager at Notre Dame. As great a coach as Lou Holtz was, his biggest asset was an offensive line coach named Joe Moore. He's what I consider to be the best ever to do that job. The number of his players that went on to NFL careers was staggering. That offensive line led an average QB who was thrust into the starting role due to injury, to earn his team a National Championship.
Never mind that the championship that Notre Dame earned was given to someone else, just because they had a coach everybody loved despite having a team full of Criminoles, I mean criminals.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
I'm not sure what to think about Ohio State...they can run the Big Ten, but they seem to regularly crap the bed once they get to a big bowl game.
When Ohio State did not get a TD late in the Big Ten title game when they were on the Badger 2 yard line, the result was they failed to cover the spread and lost the #1 seed. Life for the Buckeyes would have been easier had they faced Oklahoma instead of Clemson, although the way LSU was playing, it likely would have made no difference.
Still, there is so much talent in Columbus that the Buckeyes can compete with a blindfold on and a hand tied behind their back. The occasional flop to a Purdue will still happen but who really wants to face Ohio State in a playoff game? They are scary loaded! Remember when the Buckeyes were down to their third string QB, who came on so strong in the playoffs? Their backups are Just That Good!
Rick
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: ET21 on January 16, 2020, 11:53:02 AM
I love how there's a random post about the dictionary use of the word fuck. Quite lovely... :eyebrow: :pan:
Anyways back to football, Clemson is already being favored in the way too early top-25 to win next season
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28467228/way-too-early-college-football-top-25-where-do-lsu-clemson-land)
Well, we went from an Alabama dynasty to a Clemson dynasty. Whose turn next for king of the pigskin mountain? Since Clemson returns so much, they should be favored in the 2020 season but after that the QB heads off for Sunday play. Right now I'd be looking at Ohio State to be the next in line.
Oregon got Mississippi State's fired head coach to be the offensive coordinator. The Duck O was not scintillating in 2019 when compared to the previous seasons so that change combined with a high focus on linemen for both O and D might be enough to keep the Pac-12 in the CFP chase.
Oklahoma looks like they can shake and bake the Big XII so long as QB's keep coming along.
All the churn at the top seems to be in the SEC, where the level of competition is fierce and high. This was LSU's turn. Who's next, Georgia? Florida? Auburn? Or does Saban get the Tide back in the race?
Remember When: Miami (Fla) was a top dog and they dominated the NFL Draft. The 80's, 90's and early 00's were their time to flower. As good as they were, the Canes did fall. It just took a long time!
Waiting in the wings: Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas.
Trying to find their way back: USC, Tennessee, Nebraska.
When do we see a team flare up like a supernova and then fade like Oregon State did in their Fiesta Bowl season, where the Beavs beat the Irish 41-9? The next one might be another school with orange as a color and the initials "OSU". Yeah, Oklahoma State, I'm looking at you in 2020. Hubbard is the returning leading rusher in the country. If the Cowboys can find some D, watch out for them.
Rick
USC would be helped in finding their way back if they could get their hands on a coach like Ed Orgeron.
Having Orgeron as a fill in head coach did not lead to a contract to stay a Trojan, which sure must be leaving USC fans wondering "what if?".
It looks like the real key hire in Baton Rouge was having what amounted to a second offensive coordinator hired at LSU, who designed the offense while leaving the playcalling to the original offensive coordinator, who was a former LSU QB.
Head coaches get the credit and blame but the guts of the operation are the assistants in my opinion. Good ones move on and up. That took the starch out of USC under Pete Carroll.
Rick
You don't need to explain the importance of assistant coaches to me. I spent 1993 as a student manager at Notre Dame. As great a coach as Lou Holtz was, his biggest asset was an offensive line coach named Joe Moore. He's what I consider to be the best ever to do that job. The number of his players that went on to NFL careers was staggering. That offensive line led an average QB who was thrust into the starting role due to injury, to earn his team a National Championship.
Never mind that the championship that Notre Dame earned was given to someone else, just because they had a coach everybody loved despite having a team full of Criminoles, I mean criminals.
Sounds like a fun gig! Being with a team that has tradition galore has to look good on the resume and if not, it still makes for great memories! Glad you got the experience...
Rick
Quote from: DaBigE on January 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
I'm not sure what to think about Ohio State...they can run the Big Ten, but they seem to regularly crap the bed once they get to a big bowl game.
Ohio State's last three bowl game losses have all been against Clemson. (OSU went 6-4 in bowl games this decade)
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
I'm not sure what to think about Ohio State...they can run the Big Ten, but they seem to regularly crap the bed once they get to a big bowl game.
Ohio State's last three bowl game losses have all been against Clemson. (OSU went 6-4 in bowl games this decade)
also, when it comes to "big bowl games", Ohio State's record is:
5-2 in New Year's Six bowls (2014-present)
6-4 in BCS Bowls (1998-2013)
8-9 in Big 4 Bowls (1901-1997)
19-15 overall, with the more impressive part of the record being in the most recent iterations of the "big bowl games"
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Doesn't the offensive team already have the option of declining that penalty? (I'm not enough of a follower to know the rule details.)
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Doesn't the offensive team already have the option of declining that penalty? (I'm not enough of a follower to know the rule details.)
They do, but in the case of the Chief's game, it turned a 4th down into a 1st down.
An argument could be made for both sides of the rule - curious to see what others think. Don't mess with the receiver, and there's no penalty period. But if you complete the catch, does the interference really matter (other than possibly being able to gain more YACs)?
Quote from: Buck87 on January 19, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 16, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
I'm not sure what to think about Ohio State...they can run the Big Ten, but they seem to regularly crap the bed once they get to a big bowl game.
Ohio State's last three bowl game losses have all been against Clemson. (OSU went 6-4 in bowl games this decade)
also, when it comes to "big bowl games", Ohio State's record is:
5-2 in New Year's Six bowls (2014-present)
6-4 in BCS Bowls (1998-2013)
8-9 in Big 4 Bowls (1901-1997)
19-15 overall, with the more impressive part of the record being in the most recent iterations of the "big bowl games"
I stand corrected...I guess my dislike of Ohio State clouded my memory of their overall record. Only the losses were sticking out.
Titans are going to have to win a shootout against the Chiefs, something they didn't have to do against the Pats OR Ravens. Obviously, you can't keep a pass-heavy offense like the Chiefs under 20 points like you can to the mediocre Pats or run-heavy Ravens.
The Titans are a great underdog story, like the 2007 Giants, but, at the same time, it's just impossible not to want Mahomes and Andy Reid in the Super Bowl. Should be an interesting finish.
If the Packers win this evening, I officially dub this year's version of the NFL championship the StateFarm Bowl.
For the first time in fifty years, the Chiefs are going to the big game. If the Packers win, It will be a SUPER BOWL I rematch, but the 49ers are up 10 at the time of writing.
SM-G965U
Quote from: US 89 on January 19, 2020, 06:38:12 PM
If the Packers win this evening
A tremendously big IF at this point. But at least they will have earned their trip to the Super Bowl if they can do it.
A Packers win also means the Chiefs face a team they lost to in the regular season for the THIRD straight time this postseason... and they only had four losses!
The last time the Chiefs made it to the Super Bowl they were using this as their primary logo:
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/2a/71/dd/2a71dd101fbd34c3151756b3a2fac839--chiefs-football-kansas-city-chiefs.jpg)
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Doesn't the offensive team already have the option of declining that penalty? (I'm not enough of a follower to know the rule details.)
They do, but in the case of the Chief's game, it turned a 4th down into a 1st down.
An argument could be made for both sides of the rule - curious to see what others think. Don't mess with the receiver, and there's no penalty period. But if you complete the catch, does the interference really matter (other than possibly being able to gain more YACs)?
But that's exactly it, the YAC. So even if they catch it, you can either take the result of the play, or a catch + 1st down. If there was no interference, you have no way of knowing how the play would turn out.
Quote from: US 89 on January 19, 2020, 06:38:12 PM
If the Packers win this evening, I officially dub this year's version of the NFL championship the StateFarm Bowl.
Doesn't look like you'll have to worry about that (StateFarm's marketing dept is likely a little disappointed). The 49ers appear to be in full steamroller mode. The Packers don't appear to have learned anything from November.
Quote from: Alps on January 19, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Doesn't the offensive team already have the option of declining that penalty? (I'm not enough of a follower to know the rule details.)
They do, but in the case of the Chief's game, it turned a 4th down into a 1st down.
An argument could be made for both sides of the rule - curious to see what others think. Don't mess with the receiver, and there's no penalty period. But if you complete the catch, does the interference really matter (other than possibly being able to gain more YACs)?
But that's exactly it, the YAC. So even if they catch it, you can either take the result of the play, or a catch + 1st down. If there was no interference, you have no way of knowing how the play would turn out.
And that's the point I used against the person in our party that suggested it. On the surface, it seems contradictory, but in reality, you'll never know what could have happened.
Quote from: Alps on January 19, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 04:06:43 PM
Rule change suggestion: Should a defensive pass interference call be wiped away if the intended receiver completes the catch?
Doesn't the offensive team already have the option of declining that penalty? (I'm not enough of a follower to know the rule details.)
They do, but in the case of the Chief's game, it turned a 4th down into a 1st down.
An argument could be made for both sides of the rule - curious to see what others think. Don't mess with the receiver, and there's no penalty period. But if you complete the catch, does the interference really matter (other than possibly being able to gain more YACs)?
But that's exactly it, the YAC. So even if they catch it, you can either take the result of the play, or a catch + 1st down. If there was no interference, you have no way of knowing how the play would turn out.
Which is the reason I oppose the current penalty for defensive pass interference -- it awards a potential huge yardage gain and a first down on the assumption the receiver would have caught the ball. Plenty of unobstructed missed catches show that's a bad assumption.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Which is the reason I oppose the current penalty for defensive pass interference -- it awards a potential huge yardage gain and a first down on the assumption the receiver would have caught the ball. Plenty of unobstructed missed catches show that's a bad assumption.
Probably the reverse logic was used to establish the penalty.
Defensive pass interference makes it impossible for the receiver to catch the ball, or nearly impossible.
Quote from: Beltway on January 19, 2020, 08:12:04 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 19, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Which is the reason I oppose the current penalty for defensive pass interference -- it awards a potential huge yardage gain and a first down on the assumption the receiver would have caught the ball. Plenty of unobstructed missed catches show that's a bad assumption.
Probably the reverse logic was used to establish the penalty.
Defensive pass interference makes it impossible for the receiver to catch the ball, or nearly impossible.
Absolutely. If it was only a 15 yard penalty, every defensive player would ambush any wide receiver potentially catching the ball 16 or more yards down the field.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 19, 2020, 08:32:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 19, 2020, 08:12:04 PM
Probably the reverse logic was used to establish the penalty.
Defensive pass interference makes it impossible for the receiver to catch the ball, or nearly impossible.
Absolutely. If it was only a 15 yard penalty, every defensive player would ambush any wide receiver potentially catching the ball 16 or more yards down the field.
At least they don't award a TD if the interference is in the defense's end zone.
They get 1st down at the 1 yard line.
My god, Green Bay can literally do nothing to stop the 49ers from running the ball.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 19, 2020, 08:41:05 PM
My god, Green Bay can literally do nothing to stop the 49ers from running the ball.
A shame ... I thought it would be more of a game!
Quote from: Beltway on January 19, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 19, 2020, 08:41:05 PM
My god, Green Bay can literally do nothing to stop the 49ers from running the ball.
A shame ... I thought it would be more of a game!
It's not over yet. 49ers are trying to play mind games with the Packers instead of just playing the game, and it just bit them in the butt -- 4th and 1 just turned into 4th and 6 and the 49ers punting.
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Quote from: Beltway on January 19, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 19, 2020, 08:41:05 PM
My god, Green Bay can literally do nothing to stop the 49ers from running the ball.
A shame ... I thought it would be more of a game!
It's not over yet. 49ers are trying to play mind games with the Packers instead of just playing the game, and it just bit them in the butt -- 4th and 1 just turned into 4th and 6 and the 49ers punting.
Turns out it was just about as much of a game as the AFC championship point wise, 37 to 20 in favor of SF.
SM-G965U
Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 19, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
Turns out it was just about as much of a game as the AFC championship point wise, 37 to 20 in favor of SF.
The only difference is that the Niners controlled the entire first half and went into halftime ahead 27-0 - the Titans also controlled the entire first half (getting almost 20:00 of possession to the Chiefs 10:00) but went into halftime down 17-21.
Clearly the Packers couldn't stop the Niners great running game, but the Niners better know that they aren't going to beat the Chiefs on the ground like that. The Chiefs run D could perform that bad or worse and it wouldn't matter, the way their offense is built to pass their way out of deficits.
Should be an interesting Super Bowl, and certainly less of a dud offensively than last year. These two teams have certainly earned it: the Niners for a successful rebuild (and a great season; only three losses, all in the final seconds or overtime) and the Chiefs for enduring half a century(!) of postseason woes.
And it's the first non-Pats Super Bowl since Broncos-Panthers in 2016!! Wow, that feels like forever ago!
The way the 49ers played today reminded me of the way the Miami Dolphins played in their Super Bowl winning years in 1972 and 1973. In SB VII vs. the Washington Redskins, Miami threw the ball 11 times (13 pass plays overall with 2 sacks) and ran the ball 37 times. In the 1973 AFC Championship Game vs. the Oakland Raiders, the Dolphins ran the ball 53 times for 266 yards and was 3 of 6 passing for 34 yards (with one sack for a loss of eight yards for a net total of 26 yards), winning 27-10. In SB VIII vs. the Minnesota Vikings, again the Dolphins ran the ball 53 times (for 196 yards) and was 6 of 7 passing for 73 yards (with 1 sack allowed) and won 24-7.
It just brought back some memories of "grind it out" football that was played in the 1970's. It was certainly not as exciting as what many of us started seeing in the 1980's until now with the advent of the passing game, however, it was a formula that worked in that era.
SF-KC is a matchup that I see as too close to call. Now that plenty of us expect a close game, watch us get a blowout instead! The talking heads will have plenty to discuss...
Rick
But you're right: it is to close to call. Which team could get a blowout win? Both are great at getting points on the board and should score 30+ handily.
Like webny99 said, it should be a more exciting game than the 13-3 Patriots victory over the Rams last year. Unless one is a 49ers or Chiefs fans, most of the rest would be hoping for an exciting, close game--something like 27-24, 31-30, or 35-31.
Unless someone has a really bad day, I think it's going to be a close, but high-scoring game, with the 49ers eking out a victory. I think it'll come down to who has the ball last.
Not that I trust the Kansas City defense but it would be hard to pick against them given that Patrick Mahomes seems to be able overcome any deficit. I can't imagine running the ball constantly like the 49ers have done in the playoffs is going to be enough to compete with the Chiefs.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
Unless someone has a really bad day
If the Chiefs were to have a bad time, it would probably look like the fumblefest like they did during the Texans game.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 19, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
Unless someone has a really bad day
If the Chiefs were to have a bad time, it would probably look like the fumblefest like they did during the Texans game.
But the Chiefs have been having a bad time in the first half of the last two games and it didn't end up mattering.
Looks like the red shirts win.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 19, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
Unless someone has a really bad day, I think it's going to be a close, but high-scoring game, with the 49ers eking out a victory. I think it'll come down to who has the ball last.
The 49ers have looked really dominant on defense. The Chiefs have an explosive offense. They've scored 28 unanswered in between opponent scores in both of their playoff games. The difference, I think, is that if they give the 49ers a couple of scores before they get going, the Chiefs won't recover a third time.
My hot take: Mahomes rhymes with Holmes, but Moriarty rhymes with Lombardi. SF has a Baker Street, while KC does not. Elementary, my dear Watson.
Also, a road-related joke from /r/nfl (paraphrased, because I can't find it):
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Andy Reid lands in KC but gets lost on his first night, trying to find I-435. He stops at a gas station to ask for directions.
"Hi, can you show me how to get back to 435?"
Station attendant looks him up and down, "Uhhh... diet and exercise?"
I'm rooting for the local team (we can see Levi's stadium from our office building) but it's cool to see the Chiefs there and would not be the end of the world if they won.
Great Super Bowl matchup :popcorn:
Congrats to the 49ers and Chiefs on making it to Miami! Now the big question is, who will Joe Montana root for in the Big Game?
The Virginia Sailors/Roanoke Buckskins were a farm team for the Washington Redskins. As the Annapolis Sailors in 1965, they won the North American Football League title. They moved to the Atlantic Coast Football League for the 1966 season. Won league title for 1966 and 1967 seasons. Lost to the Hartford Knights in the 1968 title game. Moved to Roanoke and became the Roanoke Buckskins for the 1969 thru 1971 seasons.
Quote from: Alps on January 20, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
The difference, I think, is that if they give the 49ers a couple of scores before they get going, the Chiefs won't recover a third time.
I agree, because the Niners have a great run game
and a great defense. That's an advantage on both sides of the ball, that they can use to protect a big lead (as they have done the last two weeks). The Texans had neither of those advantages, and the Titans only had 1/2.
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2020, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 20, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
The difference, I think, is that if they give the 49ers a couple of scores before they get going, the Chiefs won't recover a third time.
I agree, because the Niners have a great run game and a great defense. That's an advantage on both sides of the ball, that they can use to protect a big lead (as they have done the last two weeks). The Texans had neither of those advantages, and the Titans only had 1/2.
But can the 49ers open the game up if need to be? I have a hard time believing that Jimmy Garoppollo can really match scores if the Chiefs start making players through the 49er secondary.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2020, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2020, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 20, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
The difference, I think, is that if they give the 49ers a couple of scores before they get going, the Chiefs won't recover a third time.
I agree, because the Niners have a great run game and a great defense. That's an advantage on both sides of the ball, that they can use to protect a big lead (as they have done the last two weeks). The Texans had neither of those advantages, and the Titans only had 1/2.
But can the 49ers open the game up if need to be? I have a hard time believing that Jimmy Garoppollo can really match scores if the Chiefs start making players through the 49er secondary.
I look at Jimmy G's season as a whole and I'm pretty skeptical. But then I look at that 48-46 win over the Saints in the Superdome and I think, absolutely! I guess time will tell!
GO KANSAS CITY! :)
I have to remember that Miami will go to San Francisco (and Arizona) next season. The AFC East is playing the NFC West.
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2020, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 20, 2020, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2020, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 20, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
The difference, I think, is that if they give the 49ers a couple of scores before they get going, the Chiefs won't recover a third time.
I agree, because the Niners have a great run game and a great defense. That's an advantage on both sides of the ball, that they can use to protect a big lead (as they have done the last two weeks). The Texans had neither of those advantages, and the Titans only had 1/2.
But can the 49ers open the game up if need to be? I have a hard time believing that Jimmy Garoppollo can really match scores if the Chiefs start making players through the 49er secondary.
I look at Jimmy G's season as a whole and I'm pretty skeptical. But then I look at that 48-46 win over the Saints in the Superdome and I think, absolutely! I guess time will tell!
The Saints-9ers game was the example of the 9ers keeping up in a shootout. Jimmy G has the ability and weapons to run up the box score
Even the bookies had a hard time picking a Super Bowl favorite according to this article from Yahoo Sports:
LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Even the bookies are having a problem figuring out a favorite in the Super Bowl.
Odds opened at pick 'em Sunday at many Las Vegas sports books, though the Kansas City Chiefs quickly moved to 1-point favorites over the San Francisco 49ers. Early bettors favored the Chiefs in a game that will almost surely set new legal betting records.
The combination of an attractive matchup, close odds and the spread of legalized sports betting means hundreds of millions of dollars will exchange hands over the next two weeks.
Bettors at the Westgate Las Vegas Superbook got an early start after they were offered the pick 'em odds at halftime of the NFC championship game. Oddsmaker Jay Kornegay said about 80 percent of the early money was on the Chiefs and the line moved to Chiefs minus-1.
The over/under total started at 51 1/2 and was at 53 after a bettor put $110,000 on the over.
Odds and point spreads can fluctuate up until the kickoff Feb. 2 in Miami, largely because of heavy bets on one side or the other.
At the new Circa sports books, the game was pick 'em with a 52 total to open. Sports book director Matthew Metcalf tweeted that bettors could bet up to $100,000 a side on Sunday with limits of $500,000 a side beginning Tuesday morning.
Most books limit bets early to see if the point spread moves while being tested by so-called sharps.
Legal betting in Nevada's 200 sports books was down last year at $145.9 million after setting a record the year before with $158.6 million in bets. A big percentage of Super Bowl betting is in so-called prop bets, which have become increasingly popular as they multiplied in recent years.
Books will begin releasing hundreds of different prop bets during the week, from who will win the opening coin flip to how many penalties each team will have.
Kornegay said he expects a new record to be set in Nevada on the game, largely driven by a good economy. Bets are now legal in 13 other states, too, though not in the home states of either team or in Florida.
Rick
Quote from: silkroad on January 20, 2020, 10:17:09 AM
The Virginia Sailors/Roanoke Buckskins were a farm team for the Washington Redskins. As the Annapolis Sailors in 1965, they won the North American Football League title. They moved to the Atlantic Coast Football League for the 1966 season. Won league title for 1966 and 1967 seasons. Lost to the Hartford Knights in the 1968 title game. Moved to Roanoke and became the Roanoke Buckskins for the 1969 thru 1971 seasons.
Ahhh! The days of the Pottstown Firebirds, Orlando Panthers, and the Norfolk Neptunes. I would like to see something like the ACFL or the Continental Football League again. Unfortunately, I do not believe having an AAA or AA football league is feasibly economical anymore.
Oh well, at least I have Madden Football with the Create-A-Team and Tournament functions on it for my own fantasy minor leagues.
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Is there a point somewhere in there (besides reinforcing your well-established hatred of the Packers/Aaron Rodgers)?
Quote from: DaBigE on January 21, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Is there a point somewhere in there (besides the one on your head)?
FTFY
Quote from: DaBigE on January 21, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Is there a point somewhere in there (besides reinforcing your well-established hatred of the Packers/Aaron Rodgers)?
It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Quote from: dvferyance on January 24, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 21, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Is there a point somewhere in there (besides reinforcing your well-established hatred of the Packers/Aaron Rodgers)?
It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Like Favre, Namath, and Young?
Quote from: DaBigE on January 24, 2020, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 24, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 21, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 21, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 in NFC championship games and that one win came against a Bears team with Jay Cutler and then Caleb Haney at qb. Two of those losses were blowouts to Atlanta and San Francisco. I think Rodgers is overrated even that one super bowl win was really because of the defense that picked off Rothlisburger a couple times that put the Packers up big early. The reality is Rodgers is just a one super bowl qb he is not a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana.
Is there a point somewhere in there (besides reinforcing your well-established hatred of the Packers/Aaron Rodgers)?
It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Like Favre, Namath, and Young?
You could even lump Drew Brees into the same category. There a ton of quarterbacks who were Hall of Fame good and may even have a championship, but weren't Top 5 or maybe Top 10 all time.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 24, 2020, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 24, 2020, 09:19:21 PM]It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Like Favre, Namath, and Young?
Like Joe Thiesmann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien!
Quote from: Beltway on January 25, 2020, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 24, 2020, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 24, 2020, 09:19:21 PM]It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Like Favre, Namath, and Young?
Like Joe Thiesmann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien!
Lest we forget, there is Trent Dilfer. He may be the weakest performing QB on a Super Bowl champion. The Ravens could have played a dead person at QB that year since their D was so strong.
Rick
Quote from: Beltway on January 25, 2020, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on January 24, 2020, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on January 24, 2020, 09:19:21 PM]It's just a fact Aaron Rodgers is overrated. He may be one of the better qb's in the league right now but he is not in the same ballpark as the top 10 of all time. I expect he will retire with just one ring.
Like Favre, Namath, and Young?
Like Joe Thiesmann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien!
Aaron Rodgers is way closer to Farve (I say better than Farve) and Young than any of those. If anything Joe Namath is the one that is criminally overrated, his only real on field claim to fame is predicting the outcome of a Super Bowl. Namath even had 47 more interceptions than touchdown passes. Namath compares more to the likes of Bobby Layne who really nobody even remembers (even though Layne had three NFL championships).
Of course, the passing game was a whole lot different in the 1960's and 1970's than it is now. When Namath played, most teams usually had the two receivers, a tight end, and maybe one back out on pass patterns. Usually, the receivers patterns were anywhere between 15-30 yards downfield. Namath averaged anywhere between 15-17 yards per completion in his best years (career average: 14.7)--unlike the 10-13 yards per completion the NFL passers have now. He rarely threw short, partly because of his cannon arm, quick release, and the general offensive philosophy of the time--which was throw it downfield. Of course, by doing this, he threw plenty of interceptions (220) and had a 50% career completion percentage as well as a 62-63-4 record as QB. His career best passer rating was 74.3 in 1969--which would have been dead last in 2019. However, as I said before, the offensive philosophy at the time was completely different. Namath was a QB who believed he could make any pass he wanted too.
As far as Hall Of Fame, overall his career numbers really do not stack up. It was Super Bowl III and how he was the face of the AFL in the late 1960's that got him in.
As far as comparing the passers now verses those who played before 1980, we have to say the 60 is the new 50. By that, I mean that if a QB before 1980 completed over 50% of his passes, they were considered a good passer. Anything below 50% gave the impression that they were not very accurate. Now, if a QB completes less than 60% of their passes, they are considered not very accurate. It is just the change in offensive philosophies over the years.
Crazy, with everything else going on, to think that the Super Bowl is less than 96 hours away!
I'm picking Chiefs 38, Niners 32.
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 10:40:51 PM
Crazy, with everything else going on, to think that the Super Bowl is less than 96 hours away!
I'm picking Chiefs 38, Niners 32.
Kansas City is a 1.5-point favorite in the latest 49ers vs. Chiefs odds, up from an open of one, while the over-under stands at 54.5.
Should be a good game!
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 10:40:51 PM
Crazy, with everything else going on, to think that the Super Bowl is less than 96 hours away!
I'm picking Chiefs 38, Niners 32.
Kansas City is a 1.5-point favorite in the latest 49ers vs. Chiefs odds, up from an open of one, while the over-under stands at 54.5.
Should be a good game!
I recommend the over and the Niners.
Going with the Chiefs on this one, if only because they'd win on the 50th anniversary of their first and only triumph.
I can't see the 49ers holding off the Chiefs forever much less being able to match scores when they do start getting points. I'm going with the Chiefs.
These two teams have such different ways of winning that I'm having a hard time figuring out how it will go. I can see how a blowout win or a close win could happen for either team.
When it comes it picking a winner, I'll go with the Chiefs.
As for who to root for, I'm leaning toward the Chiefs, but I can be happy with either result. Both teams have a Buckeye on their roster, so I'm good there. I would like to see Andy Reid get a championship, but I also wouldn't mind seeing Steelers fans have to watch as a second team in as many years joins them in the 6 time Super Bowl champion club.
Also, on one hand, I very much appreciate Lamar Hunt's legacy in shaping the modern NFL and also being a huge force in developing American pro-soccer including founding my favorite MLS team, and would like to see his Chiefs win. On the other hand, his idea to name the championship game after a bouncy ball is the annoying reason why a large percentage of people only care about the most recent 54 titles in a league that is very clearly celebrating its 100th season....so if that guy's team loses, fine by me.
Definitely taking the over. At this point, it would be considered a sub-par performance by either team if they don't get at least 30 on the board.
The Chiefs seem more likely to be able to get to this point again, while the Niners are certainly a successful rebuild story, but I'm not sure they can replicate this great season with how tough the NFC and especially their division is. But they also had an incredible run of dominance in the Super Bowl era, which the Chiefs have not. So on balance, I think the Chiefs, with all the postseason woes they've had this century, are more deserving of hoisting the trophy. But I have nothing against the Niners, and they are easily my favorite California team (lol).
I'll take KC, 38-30 final
Back in the late-1980's when Roosevelt Raceway was being closed down, I advocated that the track should be replaced by a new football stadium for the New York Jets. It would've kept them truly in New York State, would've provided them a better alternative to sharing a stadium with the "New York" Giants, and was close to the sites of the former Roosevelt Field and Mitchel Field, which would provide the aviation history appropriate for their namesake. If commuting to the stadium was an issue, there could've always been the option of the former Central Branch of the Long Island Railroad now known as the "Garden City-Mitchel Field Secondary."
Instead, developers built the Westbury Plaza and Roosevelt Raceway Center shopping malls and Meadowbrook Pointe Luxury Condos. Now malls are being abandoned all over the country, including those along Old Country Road. Plus with the end of the Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus going to Nassau Coliseum, there's nothing using the Garden City-Mitchel Field Secondary. They should've built Jets Stadium there instead.
Chiefs have a pretty good chance as long as they don't wait to score like they did in their past two games. It will be much harder to catch up as the 49ers defense is the best in the league (that's what I've been told, at least). Less than 1.5 hours until kickoff.
Chiefs are built to dig out of holes with the passing game, Niners are built to keep you buried with their defense and run game. So it should get interesting if the Chiefs fall behind by 10+ like they have the past two weeks.
The Niners three losses have all been by a TD or less in the final seconds. So it would be wise for the Chiefs to get going early on both offense and defense. I sure hope they have a good plan to stop the run.
Not looking good for Kansas City with that latest interception, it sure looks like they can't get a big drive on the 49er defense.
Great, the interception turned in to a touchdown. Chiefs have to get at least two to get ahead and it's not looking like they will.
Edit: look, another interception...
SM-G965U
And now it's 24-20, I guess we'll see if the 49ers can come back in the final three minutes.
That's game there with that long touchdown. That 4th down attempt by the 49ers wasn't such a hot call, I guess that I was right about them not being able to match scores with the Chiefs. What a weird way to win a Super Bowl, the Chiefs were down at least 10 points in every game.
The KC Chiefs wins the Superbowl 31-20! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Chiefs win in STYLE! The win probability chart is crazy. The Niners had what, a 92% chance of winning, up 20-10, to start the fourth quarter?
So happy for Mahomes and the Chiefs fanbase, but really Andy Reid more than anyone else.
Was it an all-time classic?
Certainly script for the Chiefs, digging back from 24-0, 17-7, and now 20-10 in three straight games. Inarguably, they are to be feared no matter how big of a hole they're in, which = excitement!
Wild 4th quarter just now, but I still think Pats-Eagles two years ago is the greatest SB of the century, maybe even all time. I don't know what does it for me about that game, but I still get goosebumps just thinking about it.
I'd call it a good game that was intriguing to towards the end of the 4th quarter but the ending was a dud and keeps it from being a "classic" IMO.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 02, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Not looking good for Kansas City with that latest interception, it sure looks like they can't get a big drive on the 49er defense.
Whoops.
History seemed to repeat itself on both sides... KC gets an explosive comeback (much later than it should have), and the 49ers lose to a last minute TD. Because my pizza took forever to arrive, I started watching the game a little late but then I heard fireworks being shot off at the local baseball field (of the Springfield Cardinals), signifying a Chiefs win. Now, Reid has a SB win and he has beat everyone in the league, TWICE. I'm glad to see them win after half a century. Last year's SB was one of the most boring I've seen, this was just the opposite.
Now that the big game is over, do y'all think the day after the Super Bowl should be a public holiday? Halftime show thoughts?
Quote from: Rothman on February 02, 2020, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 02, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Not looking good for Kansas City with that latest interception, it sure looks like they can't get a big drive on the 49er defense.
Whoops.
Heh, at least I had it right in the pre-game prediction a couple days back. Kansas City opened it up and the 49ers couldn't hang by matching scores. The biggest difference between this game and the Chiefs other two playoff games was that the comeback came really late.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 02, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Not looking good for Kansas City.
Said just about everyone in the first quarter of KC's past three games
Let's go Chiefs! SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!
That wasn't even close to Mahomes' best game. Missed several open receivers. If he plays to his potential, the Chiefs win by 20+
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 03, 2020, 07:46:33 AM
That wasn't even close to Mahomes' best game. Missed several open receivers. If he plays to his potential, the Chiefs win by 20+
You are right! Also contributing to a lesser game by Mahomes was the playcalling through the first three quarters. The Chief WR's ("Legion Of Zoom") are faster than the Niner DB's. Sending them deeper downfield while Mahomes scrambles for the entire game would have seen KC pile up the points. As the game goes on, the pass rush tires out and then it would have really gotten one-sided.
Oh well, a closer game meant more eyeballs for four quarters.
Rick
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 02, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
I'd call it a good game that was intriguing to towards the end of the 4th quarter but the ending was a dud and keeps it from being a "classic" IMO.
When the Chiefs got the go-ahead score and went up 24-20, if the Niners had gotten a TD to make it 24-27 right before the long Damien Williams run, then it would have been a classic. IMO lots of 4th quarter lead changes are what makes it, more so than whether it's decided in the final seconds. Although, it's still cool if the team that's behind has the ball at the end, which didn't happen thanks to the INT.
CHIEFS!!!!! Didn't get much sleep last night and still only half awake as I'm typing this. It was a great game.
Quote from: mvak36 on February 03, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
CHIEFS!!!!! Didn't get much sleep last night and still only half awake as I'm typing this. It was a great game.
Nah, not really, I was hoping for a lopsided score, buddy.
So now the new XFL starts up this coming weekend.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
So now the new XFL starts up this coming weekend.
And will probably last as long as it did the last time.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 03, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
So now the new XFL starts up this coming weekend.
And will probably last as long as it did the last time.
Since the last pro football startup failed before the season ended, the Alliance Of American Football already set the record for fastest implosion. At least the XFL got a title game in, where LA beat SF.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL_(2001)
Rick
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
Quote from: LM117 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
Thank you, Mr President
Zeppelin fans: there was about 4 bars of Kashmir in a medley during the Shakira segment of the show (about 3-4 minutes in). For those of you waiting for an all-prog halftime show, ... well, it's a start!
Imagine if JLo did a Rush medley in honor of Neil Peart. She sings "in the basement bars, in the backs of cars" and the entire stadium chants "be cool or be cast out"
Anyway, congrats to the great state of Kansas. Looks like next year's final four will be Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers (hoping), and... Saints, or Packers? Hmmm
Quote from: kurumi on February 04, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Zeppelin fans: there was about 4 bars of Kashmir in a medley during the Shakira segment of the show (about 3-4 minutes in). For those of you waiting for an all-prog halftime show, ... well, it's a start!
Imagine if JLo did a Rush medley in honor of Neil Peart. She sings "in the basement bars, in the backs of cars" and the entire stadium chants "be cool or be cast out"
Anyway, congrats to the great state of Kansas. Looks like next year's final four will be Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers (hoping), and... Saints, or Packers? Hmmm
I'm more of a Puppy Bowl fan or really anything aside from the Super Bowl Halftime Show. This year I was able to get three episodes of Old Car Memories in on Youtube while cooking myself dinner at Half Time. My wife made a big stink about the Half Time show, but she tends to every year.
Quote from: kurumi on February 04, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Zeppelin fans: there was about 4 bars of Kashmir in a medley during the Shakira segment of the show (about 3-4 minutes in). For those of you waiting for an all-prog halftime show, ... well, it's a start!
I noticed that too. That reminded me of the colleague who was a DJ in an earlier life, who told me that Kashmir and especially Stairway to Heaven were her favorite songs to play whenever she needed a bathroom break.
Quote from: LM117 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
I would highly bet that many people criticizing the Pres also had no idea Kansas City wasn't in Kansas either, until they saw others giving him grief about it.
Quote from: kurumi on February 04, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Anyway, congrats to the great state of Kansas. Looks like next year's final four will be Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers (hoping), and... Saints, or Packers? Hmmm
No Patriots! :-)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
I would highly bet that many people criticizing the Pres also had no idea Kansas City wasn't in Kansas either, until they saw others giving him grief about it.
Kansas City IS in Kansas, just not 90% of the city. So many of those people also had no idea about that. And just because a city is in one state doesn't mean its stadiums aren't in another... I live in NJ...
Quote from: Alps on February 04, 2020, 06:55:31 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
I would highly bet that many people criticizing the Pres also had no idea Kansas City wasn't in Kansas either, until they saw others giving him grief about it.
Kansas City IS in Kansas, just not 90% of the city. So many of those people also had no idea about that. And just because a city is in one state doesn't mean its stadiums aren't in another... I live in NJ...
I should've said the Kansas City
Chiefs to be most accurate in my statement above...
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 02, 2020, 10:39:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 02, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Not looking good for Kansas City.
Said just about everyone in the first quarter of KC's past three games
or at halftime
Quote from: Beltway on February 04, 2020, 06:34:10 AM
Quote from: kurumi on February 04, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Anyway, congrats to the great state of Kansas. Looks like next year's final four will be Chiefs, Ravens, 49ers (hoping), and... Saints, or Packers? Hmmm
No Patriots! :-)
So you think
Quote from: Alps on February 04, 2020, 06:55:31 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 04, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
Quote from: LM117 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Congrats to the Great State of Kansas! :bigass:
I would highly bet that many people criticizing the Pres also had no idea Kansas City wasn't in Kansas either, until they saw others giving him grief about it.
Kansas City IS in Kansas, just not 90% of the city. So many of those people also had no idea about that. And just because a city is in one state doesn't mean its stadiums aren't in another... I live in NJ...
Pfft. KC Chiefs are in MO. That's all there is to it.
Quote from: Rothman on February 04, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
Pfft. KC Chiefs are in MO. That's all there is to it.
Throwing things off for non-locals is the Chiefs' heavily-advertised affiliation with the University of Kansas Health System. But that system has a presence in Kansas City MO, including a sports medicine facility right next to Arrowhead Stadium.
Quote from: oscar on February 04, 2020, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: kurumi on February 04, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
Zeppelin fans: there was about 4 bars of Kashmir in a medley during the Shakira segment of the show (about 3-4 minutes in). For those of you waiting for an all-prog halftime show, ... well, it's a start!
I noticed that too. That reminded me of the colleague who was a DJ in an earlier life, who told me that Kashmir and especially Stairway to Heaven were her favorite songs to play whenever she needed a bathroom break.
Alice's Restaurant was popular at the old KKEG in Fayetteville. Or Roger Hodgson's
Had a Dream
Congrats to Kansas City for finally extracting revenge on San Francisco, a little over five years later!
(The Giants beat the Royals in the 2014 World Series, but the Chiefs beat the 49ers in the Joe Montana Bowl)
Quote from: nexus73 on February 03, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 03, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 03, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
So now the new XFL starts up this coming weekend.
And will probably last as long as it did the last time.
Since the last pro football startup failed before the season ended, the Alliance Of American Football already set the record for fastest implosion. At least the XFL got a title game in, where LA beat SF.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL_(2001)
Rick
Even the laughable WFL somehow made it 1.5 seasons
The Seattle Dragons drew a crowd of 29,172 for their home opener today at CenturyLink Field. They are ranked 3rd among the venue's tenants (the Sounders got 32K for their home MLS debut in 2009).
Quote from: Bruce on February 15, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
The Seattle Dragons drew a crowd of 29,172 for their home opener today at CenturyLink Field. They are ranked 3rd among the venue's tenants (the Sounders got 32K for their home MLS debut in 2009).
If it weren't for a fumble, penalty, and interception, Tampa would've won.
Quote from: Bruce on February 15, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
The Seattle Dragons drew a crowd of 29,172 for their home opener today at CenturyLink Field. They are ranked 3rd among the venue's tenants (the Sounders got 32K for their home MLS debut in 2009).
So far that is the largest crowd of the XFL season. Seattle turns out strong for their sports teams!
Rick
How has the XFL been? Do people actually care about it?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 15, 2020, 11:26:06 PM
How has the XFL been? Do people actually care about it?
Sports is a niche interest instead of a national interest these days. Even the CFP games have seen viewer percentages in the single digits. Those who care, CARE! Those who don't are in their own little worlds and there are a ton of 'em out there. 21st century breakdown, apologies to Green Day...
Rick
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 15, 2020, 11:26:06 PM
How has the XFL been? Do people actually care about it?
We were out running errands yesterday and we stopped at a burger place at Springfield Mall for lunch. I was surprised to see the XFL game on five different TVs.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 15, 2020, 11:26:06 PM
How has the XFL been? Do people actually care about it?
The problem the XFL is going to face from me, and I suspect many others, is that I already have some regular sports TV viewing that overlaps with the XFL schedule. The weekend after the Super Bowl I always watch the golf pro-am from Pebble Beach. The following weekend (that just ended) I watch the Daytona 500. Only because it got postponed due to rain did I end up watching the XFL instead. In March I'll be watching conference and then NCAA basketball tournaments, and the Masters in April. If they had evening games instead of afternoon, I'd watch more.
Brees is returning with the Saints this year.
NFL appears set to move from a 16 game/17 week schedule to a 17 game/19 week schedule, with the playoffs expanding from 12 to 14 teams. Have not seen any indication as to whether the two added weeks will be at the beginning of the calendar, end of the calendar, or split between the two. Selfishly hoping it's the beginning as that means there would still be Super Bowls on my birthday.
6 wild card games that first playoff weekend will be fun
My guess is, the division winners with the three best records among them will get a bye week, while the one with the worst record will have to play a wild-card game. In any case, I welcome the change.
What will they be doing with that odd regular season game, where will it be played? I know of no other leagues anywhere in the world where their respective regular seasons don't involve playing an even number of games (except for any needed unscheduled tiebreakers).
:hmmm:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on February 20, 2020, 01:49:34 PM
What will they be doing with that odd regular season game, where will it be played? I know of no other leagues anywhere in the world where their respective regular seasons don't involve playing an even number of games (except for any needed unscheduled tiebreakers).
:hmmm:
Mike
A 17 game schedule would set up more international games. Having two byes makes it doable plus it means the viewers get 19 weeks of regular season games.
What I wonder about: Will we get preseason games cut back to two?
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on February 20, 2020, 01:55:34 PM
A 17 game schedule would set up more international games. Having two byes makes it doable plus it means the viewers get 19 weeks of regular season games.
What I wonder about: Will we get preseason games cut back to two?
Goodell didn't go any further into how the 17-game schedule would work, but there are plenty of issues to be addressed. Earlier this year, NFL Network reported that the owners and players are at least interested in exploring a one-game reduction of the preseason -- accompanied by a move from 12 to 14 playoff teams. If the league expands the postseason by two teams and adds an extra regular-season game, the postseason could start as many as two weekends after New Year's Day in the middle of January. The current 16-game slate typically concludes around the final Sunday in December.
If the NFL goes to a 17-game schedule, would an extra bye week be implemented? A 17-game slate creates an imbalance in the home and road games, which could lead to that 17th game being played at a neutral site. Would a bye be implemented after the neutral site game? Would that be the only bye week or could the owners defer to the players and create a second bye? If that's the case, the NFL would expand from the current 17-week schedule to 19 weeks.https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/roger-goodell-says-17-game-season-is-part-of-new-cba-talks-and-it-would-push-back-nfl-schedule/
My ideal NFL schedule:
- No preseason. If teams absolutely want to take the risk of injuring their starters in meaningless games, then they can schedule preseason games on their own time and dollar, negotiate broadcast rights for those games, etc. I've never watched a preseason game.
- Season begins on Labor Day weekend. The season opening game (featuring the previous year's super bowl winner) is played on the Thursday before Labor Day. On the following Sunday, there are three or four more games to get fans excited. All of the other teams play their season openers on the normal Sunday around September 7-10 ish. (the teams that played Labor Day weekend do not play on normal week 1.)
- 16 regular season games, scheduling format remains the same. Four international games, occurring in weeks 5-8. They are immediately followed by a bye for the participating teams.
- Byes: Four different teams have byes each week from week 4 to week 11.
- Playoffs remain the same.
Quote from: Henry on February 20, 2020, 10:24:38 AM
My guess is, the division winners with the three best records among them will get a bye week, while the one with the worst record will have to play a wild-card game. In any case, I welcome the change.
I believe it's to be the opposite–only one team gets to skip the "wild-card" weekend, and that's the top team in the conference. Think about it–with seven teams from each conference, and three "wild-card" games per conference, six of seven teams per conference must play that first weekend.
(I put "wild-card" in quotation marks because it's a misnomer if 75% of the division winners are playing that weekend.)
This morning's paper has an article about the proposed CBA and it says not all the additional games would be either international or neutral-site, so some teams would have nine home games while other would have eight.
There will be pushback, no doubt. An odd number of games is just no good, not to mention you could no longer finish with a .500 record. If we have to have more games, I would much rather skip straight to 18 games.
Quote from: webny99 on February 22, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
There will be pushback, no doubt. An odd number of games is just no good, not to mention you could no longer finish with a .500 record. If we have to have more games, I would much rather skip straight to 18 games.
However many games on the regular season schedule, could it be done to put the Super Bowl on Preisdent's Day/Washington's Birthday weekend? That would let the NFL have its fixation on having the Super Bowl on Sunday evening (Eastern time), while giving more workers the next day off to recover from the game. That'd also mean no suggestions about making the day after the SB a holiday, which I think would be a travesty.
Quote from: webny99 on February 22, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
There will be pushback, no doubt. An odd number of games is just no good, not to mention you could no longer finish with a .500 record. If we have to have more games, I would much rather skip straight to 18 games.
To be picky, a tie is still possible and a team could finish 8-8-1 for a .500 record. :bigass:
My problem is that one team could he home for 9 games and another have 9 road games.
I'm not seeing why it's so difficult to play 17 games instead of 16. If all 32 teams play for 17 weeks, they will have all played 17 games. An odd number of games is not difficult. An odd number of TEAMS is.
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I'm not seeing why it's so difficult to play 17 games instead of 16. If all 32 teams play for 17 weeks, they will have all played 17 games. An odd number of games is not difficult. An odd number of TEAMS is.
Everybody plays the same number of games, but with an odd number you'll get an unbalanced home:away ratio that is going to vary between teams. This is fixable if the league can coordinate such that each team plays exactly one game at a neutral site, but that seems difficult to schedule.
I don't see why the possibility of having a .500 record matters.
Quote from: US 89 on February 23, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I'm not seeing why it's so difficult to play 17 games instead of 16. If all 32 teams play for 17 weeks, they will have all played 17 games. An odd number of games is not difficult. An odd number of TEAMS is.
Everybody plays the same number of games, but with an odd number you'll get an unbalanced home:away ratio that is going to vary between teams. This is fixable if the league can coordinate such that each team plays exactly one game at a neutral site, but that seems difficult to schedule.
I don't see why the possibility of having a .500 record matters.
Alternating years for each team, 9 home games one year and then 8 home games the following year.
Quote from: Beltway on February 23, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 23, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I'm not seeing why it's so difficult to play 17 games instead of 16. If all 32 teams play for 17 weeks, they will have all played 17 games. An odd number of games is not difficult. An odd number of TEAMS is.
Everybody plays the same number of games, but with an odd number you'll get an unbalanced home:away ratio that is going to vary between teams. This is fixable if the league can coordinate such that each team plays exactly one game at a neutral site, but that seems difficult to schedule.
I don't see why the possibility of having a .500 record matters.
Alternating years for each team, 9 home games one year and then 8 home games the following year.
According to the Around the NFL podcast it will be an AFC-NFC rotation, so yes.
I'm actually surprised that, on a forum with as many technical minds as this one, no one cares about an odd number of games. It just seems wrong.
Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2020, 03:59:13 PM
I'm actually surprised that, on a forum with as many technical minds as this one, no one cares about an odd number of games. It just seems wrong.
Feel free to expand on why. If there's a technical reason why it should be a problem, I'm sure you'll get plenty to agree with you. Just "seeming" wrong doesn't necessarily matter a ton.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2020, 03:59:13 PM
I'm actually surprised that, on a forum with as many technical minds as this one, no one cares about an odd number of games. It just seems wrong.
Feel free to expand on why. If there's a technical reason why it should be a problem, I'm sure you'll get plenty to agree with you. Just "seeming" wrong doesn't necessarily matter a ton.
I'm pretty sure the reason is that home-field advantage can skew the results. Given that the advantage is second highest (https://statsbylopez.netlify.com/post/playing-at-home/) (at 58%) in the NFL of the four major sports in the US, and given the small number of games played in a season, the outcome of such unbalance cannot be fair.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 23, 2020, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2020, 03:59:13 PM
I'm actually surprised that, on a forum with as many technical minds as this one, no one cares about an odd number of games. It just seems wrong.
Feel free to expand on why. If there's a technical reason why it should be a problem, I'm sure you'll get plenty to agree with you. Just "seeming" wrong doesn't necessarily matter a ton.
I'm pretty sure the reason is that home-field advantage can skew the results. Given that the advantage is second highest (https://statsbylopez.netlify.com/post/playing-at-home/) (at 58%) in the NFL of the four major sports in the US, and given the small number of games played in a season, the outcome of such unbalance cannot be fair.
Okay, but if the entire NFC gets the advantage one year and the entire AFC gets the advantage the next year, it won't matter.
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2020, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 23, 2020, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2020, 03:59:13 PM
I'm actually surprised that, on a forum with as many technical minds as this one, no one cares about an odd number of games. It just seems wrong.
Feel free to expand on why. If there's a technical reason why it should be a problem, I'm sure you'll get plenty to agree with you. Just "seeming" wrong doesn't necessarily matter a ton.
I'm pretty sure the reason is that home-field advantage can skew the results. Given that the advantage is second highest (https://statsbylopez.netlify.com/post/playing-at-home/) (at 58%) in the NFL of the four major sports in the US, and given the small number of games played in a season, the outcome of such unbalance cannot be fair.
Okay, but if the entire NFC gets the advantage one year and the entire AFC gets the advantage the next year, it won't matter.
That would work, but I think the plan is to have each team play one neutral site game (London, Mexico City, college stadiums, etc)
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 24, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
That would work, but I think the plan is to have each team play one neutral site game (London, Mexico City, college stadiums, etc)
One game every week at a neutral site?
Given that few college stadiums would be large enough, wouldn't that be difficult to arrange?
The idea of an odd number of games doesn't bother me all that much because I remember the days when college football had an 11-game season. Plus the NHL currently uses an unbalanced in-division schedule–you play some in-division opponents five times while you play others four. That doesn't mean I think it's ideal. I just don't find it as bothersome as webny99 does.
Quote from: Beltway on February 24, 2020, 07:34:21 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 24, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
That would work, but I think the plan is to have each team play one neutral site game (London, Mexico City, college stadiums, etc)
One game every week at a neutral site?
Given that few college stadiums would be large enough, wouldn't that be difficult to arrange?
If every team plays one neutral site game, that's 16 in total. If they keep doing the 4 per year in London and 1 per year in Mexico City, that only leaves 11 more needed. There are easily 11 other stadiums that could host games. Lots of pretty big college stadiums.
From a season-ticket member approach, it's a pain in the ass. Currently for the Eagles, I'll be paying $950/seat this year (and I have the cheapest seats in the stadium - upper level endzone). That's up $5/game from last year, and averages out to $95 per seat for 10 games: 2 pre-season games and 8 regular season games (yes, they make you purchase the preseason games). The price they allocate to each game varies: On paper it may be $47.50 for the 2 pre-season games, $95 for 3 regular season games against opponents that don't attract much fan attention, then 5 games for $114 against opponents that fans care about more. These are just examples; In the end it's relatively irrelevant - I'm paying $950 regardless.
Most of the stadium is season ticket holders; For the few available single-game tickets that can be purchased, the individual cost matters a bit more.
So in years where the NFC plays 9 home regular season games, they will probably play 1 home pre-season game. How does that affect the overall cost of tickets? Will there be a price adjustment causing me to pay more in seasons where there's 9 regular season home games? Will that be offset in seasons where there's only 8 regular season home games? Honestly, from both a season ticket holder perspective, and from a team's front office needing/trying to convince the fans they're not ripping them off, this is gonna be a pain to work thru.
Quote from: Alps on February 23, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I'm not seeing why it's so difficult to play 17 games instead of 16. If all 32 teams play for 17 weeks, they will have all played 17 games. An odd number of games is not difficult. An odd number of TEAMS is.
For a few years this was the case. Since each team had a bye week anyway it wasn't that much of an issue. The biggest problem - the teams that had a bye week either on Week 1 or Week 17 of the season had to play 16 game in 16 weeks. Obviously those teams with byes in Weeks 2 and 16 had it only marginally better, playing 15 games in a row. The current system has worked out about as well as possible: No byes in weeks 1 - 3 and 13 - 17.
Quote from: Beltway on February 24, 2020, 07:34:21 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 24, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
That would work, but I think the plan is to have each team play one neutral site game (London, Mexico City, college stadiums, etc)
One game every week at a neutral site?
Given that few college stadiums would be large enough, wouldn't that be difficult to arrange?
There's about 18 college football stadiums with seating for more than 80,000. Of the 32 NFL teams, 27 have seating for fewer than 80,000. So that won't be much of a problem. However, being a 'neutral site' would be: Many of these stadiums are in or very close to cities that already host an NFL team, so if that cities' team is playing at that so-called 'neutral site', it's still pretty much a home game for them. And for true neutral-site locations: You're not going to find many people wanting to travel to a far-away city to watch their team play a neutral site game. You may have Penn State open to a Steelers/Eagles game (which won't work because it's AFC-NFC), or Alabama's Crimson Tide open for a Saints-Falcons matchup, but overall they are limited options.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2020, 08:33:15 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 24, 2020, 07:34:21 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 24, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
That would work, but I think the plan is to have each team play one neutral site game (London, Mexico City, college stadiums, etc)
One game every week at a neutral site?
Given that few college stadiums would be large enough, wouldn't that be difficult to arrange?
There's about 18 college football stadiums with seating for more than 80,000. Of the 32 NFL teams, 27 have seating for fewer than 80,000. So that won't be much of a problem. However, being a 'neutral site' would be: Many of these stadiums are in or very close to cities that already host an NFL team, so if that cities' team is playing at that so-called 'neutral site', it's still pretty much a home game for them. And for true neutral-site locations: You're not going to find many people wanting to travel to a far-away city to watch their team play a neutral site game. You may have Penn State open to a Steelers/Eagles game (which won't work because it's AFC-NFC), or Alabama's Crimson Tide open for a Saints-Falcons matchup, but overall they are limited options.
What we don't know yet is who the 17th opponent will be for each team. Right now, the schedule consists of home-and-home with division opponents (6 games), playing an entire other division in each conference (8 games) and the other two conference teams that finished in the same position in their division (2 games).
From a competitive balance standpoint, the best thing is to make that 17th game an interconference game against a team that finished in the same position in their division. To use the 2019 standings as an example of a hypothetical 2020 schedule, the Bears would play either the Jets, Browns or Raiders (already playing the Colts as they are playing the AFC South). The Jets and Raiders would be problematic in terms of finding someplace that isn't too close to either team but close enough to draw fans.
The other option is to have a "permanent" interconference rivalry that is geographically based, so you can use neutral sites that are fairly close to both teams. Of course this is problematic from a competitive balance standpoint if one team has to play the Chiefs every year and someone else gets to play the Jets every year, so there's no perfect solution.
Seems like it would be a lot simpler to go from 16 games to 18 games, if they want to increase the number of games.
IMHO:
- Do you know anyone who has ever said either, "gosh, the 16 games really did not tell me who was best, I wish they played 17" or "gosh, the playoffs are illegitimate, because only 12/32nds of the teams make it, I wish more did, I really want to see an at or near .500 team in the playoffs all the time." ? I haven't.
- Labor Day has been tried by the NFL. It just doesn't work. People are traveling, this hurts the live gate, and it hurts the TV ratings. Thus, we are probably talking about going deep into February, so that the President's Day holiday is the day after the Super Bowl. This has been the NFL's goal for 20 years. Well and fine, but that means playing playoff games, outdoors, in the dead of winter. Dumb and probably dangerous.
- The idea of "neutral site" games as the 17th game will wear out. There are just two real possibilities. Foreign, and college. As to college, it might be nice, for a few years, but after a while the "newness" will wear of. As to the foreign games, London. Then what? Mexico City (average family income, less than $900/month), or some other third world country? Toronto? Somewhere else in the GWN? They already have their own league and Buffalo is de facto Toronto's team anyway. Mainland Europe? Coronavirusland? Australia? 18 hours one-way. Japan? Nearly the same.
Just be happy being the only sport that really only Americans get, and the only one that leaves people wanting a little more.
Would it be that difficult to locate 17 international venues? Mexico, Canada, Australia, the UK, Ireland, Germany?
I don't know how many neutral games would be required for the entire season to keep each team from playing too many home or away games, but I don't think it would be impossible to coordinate. Plus, more international games improves viewership, assuming the games don't air at 3am.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 24, 2020, 02:34:07 PM
Australia? 18 hours one-way. Japan? Nearly the same.
Long flights (only 15 hours from LAX), but both countries have a long history of gridiron sports, with incomes to pack a stadium. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka...lots of options right there. In Europe, there's plenty of other options beyond London. The NFL is making a ratings comeback; more international exposure would do the league good, and the players would get to visit (briefly, yes) some pretty cool places.
Quote from: Beltway on February 24, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
Seems like it would be a lot simpler to go from 16 games to 18 games, if they want to increase the number of games.
The players union is adamant against an 18-game season.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/xfl/2020/03/05/coronavirus-stadium-employee-xfl-game-seattle-tests-positive/4970808002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/xfl/2020/03/05/coronavirus-stadium-employee-xfl-game-seattle-tests-positive/4970808002/)
An Update now a stadium employee in Seattle who was at a XFL Game has been tested positive for COVID-19.
XFL has suspended play indefinably
Quote from: Big John on March 12, 2020, 07:10:28 PM
XFL has suspended play indefinably
Which will likely hurt that league more than just about any other one. Too bad. While I wasn't optimistic it would ever grow into anything big, I found it interesting to watch and I was hoping to get down to Audi Field for a game because it's a nice little stadium.
Tom Brady is leaving the Patriots.
https://www.patriots.com/news/tom-brady-announces-he-s-leaving-patriots (https://www.patriots.com/news/tom-brady-announces-he-s-leaving-patriots)
https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-robert-kraft-and-bill-belichick-on-qb-tom-brady (https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-robert-kraft-and-bill-belichick-on-qb-tom-brady)
Didn't think it would happen, but wow. Nowhere does that feel more surreal than right here in Western New York.
The Colts land Philip Rivers, just one lifelong franchise QB changing hands right now.
Mariota to the Raiders took place. He is going to back up Carr. If that is the case, I am sorry he did not go to Seattle, where he is a plug and play replacement for Wilson. So long as Wilson stays upright, he can play and take the beating while letting the former Duck rest and recuperate. The backup is only one play away from being the starter. You need a very good one just like you need a very good insurance policy when you have something worth protecting.
Rick
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Quote from: ET21 on March 18, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Yes this is big there in Chi-Town and here in JAX. Gonna have to see what next month holds! Minshew Magic is coming back I guess. Lol it really didn't help that last season sucked for the Jags, however. I can't say the same for Da Bears, of course ;)
Quote from: ET21 on March 18, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Wow. I always assumed they'd go after Newton or maybe even Andy Dalton. But then again, was Nagy a coach at Kansas City the year Foles was there? If so, that kinda makes sense.
Quote from: kwellada on March 18, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: ET21 on March 18, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Wow. I always assumed they'd go after Newton or maybe even Andy Dalton. But then again, was Nagy a coach at Kansas City the year Foles was there? If so, that kinda makes sense.
Even if Nagy has not previously directly coached Foles (I'm pretty sure he has), he has been in Andy Reid's and Doug Pederson's systems in Philly and KC - Nagy knows those Offensive Systems and they are probably closely related to his, since he was a long time assistant under Coach Reid.
When Minshew Mania hit last fall, I thought Foles would be a good target for Da Bears
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 18, 2020, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: kwellada on March 18, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: ET21 on March 18, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Wow. I always assumed they'd go after Newton or maybe even Andy Dalton. But then again, was Nagy a coach at Kansas City the year Foles was there? If so, that kinda makes sense.
Even if Nagy has not previously directly coached Foles (I'm pretty sure he has), he has been in Andy Reid's and Doug Pederson's systems in Philly and KC - Nagy knows those Offensive Systems and they are probably closely related to his, since he was a long time assistant under Coach Reid.
When Minshew Mania hit last fall, I thought Foles would be a good target for Da Bears
Man, all of this brings me back to the time when I was a relatively young kid and wanting to have the Pats fall to the Iggles in the Super Bowl that was hosted down here.
Quote from: ET21 on March 18, 2020, 02:56:25 PM
Nick Foles to the Bears for a 4th round pick
Nick Foles and Peyton Manning are the only QBs to ever win on my birthday.
The Buccaneers have one chance. They have the GOAT (albeit the aging GOAT) at quarterback. They have a loaded group of wide receivers. They have a sneaky good defense (ranked #1 against the run in 2019.) They have one perfect shot at a title. After this year, Brady could retire, and even if he doesn't the team is going to reshuffle anyways. I think they can get through the NFC, though the 49ers will be tough. It's the Super Bowl against the Chiefs or Ravens that will give them real issues if they make it that far.
Quote from: thspfc on March 19, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
The Buccaneers have one chance. They have the GOAT (albeit the aging GOAT) at quarterback. They have a loaded group of wide receivers. They have a sneaky good defense (ranked #1 against the run in 2019.) They have one perfect shot at a title. After this year, Brady could retire, and even if he doesn't the team is going to reshuffle anyways. I think they can get through the NFC, though the 49ers will be tough. It's the Super Bowl against the Chiefs or Ravens that will give them real issues if they make it that far.
Montana the Chief...Brady the Buc...
Brady's vulnerabilities were laid bare last season. We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic.
Quote from: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 19, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
The Buccaneers have one chance. They have the GOAT (albeit the aging GOAT) at quarterback. They have a loaded group of wide receivers. They have a sneaky good defense (ranked #1 against the run in 2019.) They have one perfect shot at a title. After this year, Brady could retire, and even if he doesn't the team is going to reshuffle anyways. I think they can get through the NFC, though the 49ers will be tough. It's the Super Bowl against the Chiefs or Ravens that will give them real issues if they make it that far.
Montana the Chief...Brady the Buc...
Brady's vulnerabilities were laid bare last season. We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic.
When Joe Montana went to KC, he led them to a win over a fine Niners team. The Chiefs also made the playoffs that season. Not a bad way to go out!
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on March 19, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 19, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
The Buccaneers have one chance. They have the GOAT (albeit the aging GOAT) at quarterback. They have a loaded group of wide receivers. They have a sneaky good defense (ranked #1 against the run in 2019.) They have one perfect shot at a title. After this year, Brady could retire, and even if he doesn't the team is going to reshuffle anyways. I think they can get through the NFC, though the 49ers will be tough. It's the Super Bowl against the Chiefs or Ravens that will give them real issues if they make it that far.
Montana the Chief...Brady the Buc...
Brady's vulnerabilities were laid bare last season. We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic.
When Joe Montana went to KC, he led them to a win over a fine Niners team. The Chiefs also made the playoffs that season. Not a bad way to go out!
Rick
Still a step down from his peak. Brady should have retired.
Quote from: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on March 19, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 19, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
The Buccaneers have one chance. They have the GOAT (albeit the aging GOAT) at quarterback. They have a loaded group of wide receivers. They have a sneaky good defense (ranked #1 against the run in 2019.) They have one perfect shot at a title. After this year, Brady could retire, and even if he doesn't the team is going to reshuffle anyways. I think they can get through the NFC, though the 49ers will be tough. It's the Super Bowl against the Chiefs or Ravens that will give them real issues if they make it that far.
Montana the Chief...Brady the Buc...
Brady's vulnerabilities were laid bare last season. We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic.
When Joe Montana went to KC, he led them to a win over a fine Niners team. The Chiefs also made the playoffs that season. Not a bad way to go out!
Rick
Still a step down from his peak. Brady should have retired.
I concur, I don't anticipate wherever Brady lands that it will be even close to what was accomplished during the prime of his career. It seems like most athletes, especially quarterbacks don't know when to call it quits. Interestingly the Broncos had two Hall of Fame Quarterbacks retire after winning a Super Bowl. In the case of Peyton Manning it was pretty clear he was way past his prime, John Elway not so much.
Tom Brady has joined the Buccaneers.
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/tom-brady-qb-buccaneers-free-agency-roster-move (https://www.buccaneers.com/news/tom-brady-qb-buccaneers-free-agency-roster-move)
We should note that next year's Super Bowl is in Tampa, if the Bucs can make it that far.
Looks pretty clear that Brady is going to be involved in the process of acquiring talent to surround himself with, probably much more so than he was in New England.
All I can think of is that one Eagles team that had "superstars" and Vince Young called "The Dream Team"...which failed to make the playoffs. The couple that with how bad Manning played in his final season (but lucked out with that vicious defense). Brady wasn't that impressive in 2019...what if he does fall off a cliff this season?
Or worse, the 2020 season never happens and he's clearly too old in 2021.
History tells me the Bucs will lose the NFC championship game with a future hall of fame QB late in his career on a different team from the one he is known for.
I'm sure Old Man Kraft gave him all the hot tips on where to get a rub n' tug down in Floridy.
For $1 you can access every NFL game played since the 2009 season, until the end of July. Good way to kill time while stuck at home.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 21, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
For $1 you can access every NFL game played since the 2009 season, until the end of July. Good way to kill time while stuck at home.
We already know how they'll end though
Quote from: Alps on March 21, 2020, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 21, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
For $1 you can access every NFL game played since the 2009 season, until the end of July. Good way to kill time while stuck at home.
We already know how they'll end though
Dude you should check it out
(https://i.imgur.com/hKcz0He.png)
Quote from: Alps on March 21, 2020, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 21, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
For $1 you can access every NFL game played since the 2009 season, until the end of July. Good way to kill time while stuck at home.
We already know how they'll end though
If I was any good at video editing, I'd mess with fans and post "alternate reality" games.
What in the fuck is this...my grandmother could do a better push up.
https://twitter.com/JamesGelet/status/1242134152943722498
Wow, even I could do that, and that's saying something, because I don't claim to be able to do a proper push-up, and I certainly don't claim to be an NFL quarterback. :-D
Quote from: webny99 on March 23, 2020, 03:34:50 PM
Wow, even I could do that, and that's saying something, because I don't claim to be able to do a proper push-up, and I certainly don't claim to be an NFL quarterback. :-D
It's embarrassing. It has to be a joke. HAS to be.
I did accept the challenge:
https://twitter.com/jakeroot/status/1242171786956926977
So what's up with this push up challenge thing? That's actually part of my four day rotation for strength training I'm doing in the garage with all the gyms shut down.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 23, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
So what's up with this push up challenge thing? That's actually part of my four day rotation for strength training I'm doing in the garage with all the gyms shut down.
I guess it's something to keep people fit while staying inside. I still go out and walk a bunch every day anyways (on top of workouts at home -- mainly crunches), but this is a way to challenge people to not become total couch potatoes.
Quote from: nexus73 on March 17, 2020, 06:33:53 PM
Mariota to the Raiders took place. He is going to back up Carr. If that is the case, I am sorry he did not go to Seattle, where he is a plug and play replacement for Wilson. So long as Wilson stays upright, he can play and take the beating while letting the former Duck rest and recuperate. The backup is only one play away from being the starter. You need a very good one just like you need a very good insurance policy when you have something worth protecting.
Rick
That means that the Petermeme is going to get cut. :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
This is a strange outcome for Newton. You just don't expect a 1st overall pick who led his team to a Super Bowl to just get cut outright. I don't think he's been the same since Von Miller gave him PTSD in the super bowl and his injuries are certainly a concern, but it's still surprising to see it happen.
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
After they signed Teddy Bridgewater, who turned in solid performances for the Saints while Drew Brees was recovering from his thumb injury.
IMO, a good exchange for the Panthers.
Quote from: kwellada on March 24, 2020, 03:51:10 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
This is a strange outcome for Newton. You just don't expect a 1st overall pick who led his team to a Super Bowl to just get cut outright. I don't think he's been the same since Von Miller gave him PTSD in the super bowl and his injuries are certainly a concern, but it's still surprising to see it happen.
Recency (or lack thereof) bias? He was 1st overall many years ago, but past performance doesn't indicate current results.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 23, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
It's embarrassing. It has to be a joke. HAS to be.
I don't know, you would hope so, but there is nothing at all on the internet saying it's a joke.
Yikes. I don't know who's more spooked right now, Browns fans after seeing that, or Steelers fans after seeing Big Ben gone total caveman. Both look like the furthest thing from an NFL quarterback at this point.
Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2020, 10:08:52 PM
Yikes. I don't know who's more spooked right now, Browns fans after seeing that, or Steelers fans after seeing Big Ben gone total caveman. Both look like the furthest thing from an NFL quarterback at this point.
I hadn't seen that video. Beardy Ben!
Quote from: jakeroot on March 25, 2020, 05:30:36 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 24, 2020, 10:08:52 PM
Yikes. I don't know who's more spooked right now, Browns fans after seeing that, or Steelers fans after seeing Big Ben gone total caveman. Both look like the furthest thing from an NFL quarterback at this point.
I hadn't seen that video. Beardy Ben!
I hadn't either until it was played on the ATN podcast (which I recommend, by the way: great comic relief amidst tough times!!)
RIP to Tom Dempsey, former Saints kicker. He used to hold the record holder for longest field goal, and was famous for having half of one foot. He died April 4th from Covid-19.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/)
And, as predicted, the XFL is no more.
WFL-USFL-XFL1-WLAF/NFLE-CFL USA-UFL-XFL2
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
I see you've just awakened from a 6-week-long nap.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/)
And, as predicted, the XFL is no more.
WFL-USFL-XFL1-WLAF/NFLE-CFL USA-UFL-XFL2
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
I don't think their shutting down for good. They still have a skeletal crew of employees.
Quote from: Eth on April 10, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
I see you've just awakened from a 6-week-long nap.
Not shit. To proclaim the XFL as dead thanks to anything other than COVID-19 is unfair. Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Eth on April 10, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
I see you've just awakened from a 6-week-long nap.
Not shit. To proclaim the XFL as dead thanks to anything other than COVID-19 is unfair. Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
While I didn't watch it myself, I think they did ok. Agreed that you can't blame this one on anything else than COVID. It takes a lot of money to start up a new league, and to have it shut down roughly halfway into its 1st season gave them nearly no time to recoup that money spent.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
The league GAVE its TV rights away. Viewership figures are thus irrelevant.
Texans traded for Brandin Cooks. Wouldn't it be great to have DeAndre Hopkins instead?
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
The league GAVE its TV rights away. Viewership figures are thus irrelevant.
So you're saying the XFL primarily made money by in-person viewership? The one thing that became impossible thanks to COVID-19?
Quote from: jakeroot on April 11, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
The league GAVE its TV rights away. Viewership figures are thus irrelevant.
So you're saying the XFL primarily made money by in-person viewership? The one thing that became impossible thanks to COVID-19?
Yup. They went for "unpaid exposure". We know how that works.
Quote from: Alps on April 11, 2020, 07:20:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 11, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
The league GAVE its TV rights away. Viewership figures are thus irrelevant.
So you're saying the XFL primarily made money by in-person viewership? The one thing that became impossible thanks to COVID-19?
Yup. They went for "unpaid exposure". We know how that works.
In light of recent events...not fucking well
Quote from: jakeroot on April 11, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 10, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Viewership was perfectly adequate for a brand-new league.
The league GAVE its TV rights away. Viewership figures are thus irrelevant.
So you're saying the XFL primarily made money by in-person viewership? The one thing that became impossible thanks to COVID-19?
Don't sports leagues make the vast majority of their money off of TV?
No new sports league was going to survive this pandemic, regardless of the sport or business model.
The model the XFL chose game them the greatest chance for sustained success, sacrificing short term revenue in an attempt to gain viewers. It was working very well until this all happened.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 12, 2020, 09:16:02 AM
No new sports league was going to survive this pandemic, regardless of the sport or business model.
The model the XFL chose game them the greatest chance for sustained success, sacrificing short term revenue in an attempt to gain viewers. It was working very well until this all happened.
I still think that there is a market for spring football, both leagues got kinda unlucky.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 12, 2020, 09:16:02 AM
No new sports league was going to survive this pandemic, regardless of the sport or business model.
The model the XFL chose game them the greatest chance for sustained success, sacrificing short term revenue in an attempt to gain viewers. It was working very well until this all happened.
I still think that there is a market for spring football, both leagues got kinda unlucky.
"Both"? There have been three, not counting the one run by the NFL. The USFL fell apart due to mismanagement. A lot of people blame the owner of the New Jersey Generals (whatever did happen to that guy, anyway?), and certainly he caused his share of problems, but the league had plenty of other issues aside from him.
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 12, 2020, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 12, 2020, 09:16:02 AM
No new sports league was going to survive this pandemic, regardless of the sport or business model.
The model the XFL chose game them the greatest chance for sustained success, sacrificing short term revenue in an attempt to gain viewers. It was working very well until this all happened.
I still think that there is a market for spring football, both leagues got kinda unlucky.
"Both"? There have been three, not counting the one run by the NFL. The USFL fell apart due to mismanagement. A lot of people blame the owner of the New Jersey Generals (whatever did happen to that guy, anyway?), and certainly he caused his share of problems, but the league had plenty of other issues aside from him.
I'm talking about the AAF and the XFL. Heard that the AAF folded under shady circumstances.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 12:42:41 AM
Don't sports leagues make the vast majority of their money off of TV?
Traditionally, yes. The XFL v.2 had a different plan. It gave the TV rights away for nothing. Thus it was irrelevant how many were watching on TV. All the league made was the live gate; along with small amounts from in-stadium billboards and logo wear.
Even if it sold every single ticket at the full list price, it could not have made money. And it was alleged that they "papered the house" (gave away free tickets to add to the excitement), which is probably true. This was supposed to be for this year and the next. As the league belong to 'raslin promoter Vince McMahon he was going to subsidize it from his 'raslin profits and hope to get a legitimate TV deal for 22.
Thus the world shut down SAVED not cost McMahon $$ relative to this football venture, as he lost money on every game.
At least there will be an NFL Draft, albeit in a very different format, as all teams will pick from their own headquarters instead of gathering at the league's big offices in New York. It's going to be televised on ESPN/ABC and the NFL Network, and will definitely be the most interesting draft ever, given the current state of the world in general.
As for the season, it's a whole different story, but the upside is, the NFL (and college football) are lucky that they play late in the year, so they should start on time.
Quote from: Henry on April 13, 2020, 09:37:19 AM
At least there will be an NFL Draft, albeit in a very different format, as all teams will pick from their own headquarters instead of gathering at the league's big offices in New York. It's going to be televised on ESPN/ABC and the NFL Network, and will definitely be the most interesting draft ever, given the current state of the world in general.
As for the season, it's a whole different story, but the upside is, the NFL (and college football) are lucky that they play late in the year, so they should start on time.
But won't training camp be delayed and possibly preseason?
Quote from: SP Cook on April 12, 2020, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 12:42:41 AM
Don't sports leagues make the vast majority of their money off of TV?
Traditionally, yes. The XFL v.2 had a different plan. It gave the TV rights away for nothing. Thus it was irrelevant how many were watching on TV. All the league made was the live gate; along with small amounts from in-stadium billboards and logo wear.
Even if it sold every single ticket at the full list price, it could not have made money. And it was alleged that they "papered the house" (gave away free tickets to add to the excitement), which is probably true. This was supposed to be for this year and the next. As the league belong to 'raslin promoter Vince McMahon he was going to subsidize it from his 'raslin profits and hope to get a legitimate TV deal for 22.
Thus the world shut down SAVED not cost McMahon $$ relative to this football venture, as he lost money on every game.
Then to make sure he wasn't going to lose anymore $$$, McMahon had the XFL file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Monday.
https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/29030763/xfl-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy-suspending-operations
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 13, 2020, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 13, 2020, 09:37:19 AM
At least there will be an NFL Draft, albeit in a very different format, as all teams will pick from their own headquarters instead of gathering at the league's big offices in New York. It's going to be televised on ESPN/ABC and the NFL Network, and will definitely be the most interesting draft ever, given the current state of the world in general.
As for the season, it's a whole different story, but the upside is, the NFL (and college football) are lucky that they play late in the year, so they should start on time.
But won't training camp be delayed and possibly preseason?
They may go on, just with no fans. Long as team members take precautionary measures, the season should start but don't expect fans in the stadiums
Quote from: ET21 on April 17, 2020, 09:02:21 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 13, 2020, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 13, 2020, 09:37:19 AM
At least there will be an NFL Draft, albeit in a very different format, as all teams will pick from their own headquarters instead of gathering at the league's big offices in New York. It's going to be televised on ESPN/ABC and the NFL Network, and will definitely be the most interesting draft ever, given the current state of the world in general.
As for the season, it's a whole different story, but the upside is, the NFL (and college football) are lucky that they play late in the year, so they should start on time.
But won't training camp be delayed and possibly preseason?
They may go on, just with no fans. Long as team members take precautionary measures, the season should start but don't expect fans in the stadiums
Do you think fans will return later in the season?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: ET21 on April 17, 2020, 09:02:21 AM
They may go on, just with no fans. Long as team members take precautionary measures, the season should start but don't expect fans in the stadiums
Do you think fans will return later in the season?
I think there's a 10% chance that fans are in stadiums by December 2020, and that might even be high.
Massive gatherings are highly unlikely until there's either a COVID-19 vaccine, or a suitable alternative figured out. Maybe something like temperature checks at the entrances could work.
For my Football season tickets, I have my payments split into 4 installments. They took the first payment in March, but didn't take the second payment in April. Not sure what they're doing going forward.
What will suck though is with Eagles tickets, I generally had an easy time selling tix for the games I didn't want to go to, and at decent profits. That probably won't happen this year. I also wonder if they do have fans in the stadium, how they'll work seating. If they want 6 foot distances around a single person, that will mean no one in about 3 or 4 adjoining seats to the left and right, and 3 rows in front or back. That will equate to a lot of empty seats.
And I'll still be in a row where someone needs to get up every 10 minutes! LOL
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 18, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
For my Football season tickets, I have my payments split into 4 installments. They took the first payment in March, but didn't take the second payment in April. Not sure what they're doing going forward.
What will suck though is with Eagles tickets, I generally had an easy time selling tix for the games I didn't want to go to, and at decent profits. That probably won't happen this year. I also wonder if they do have fans in the stadium, how they'll work seating. If they want 6 foot distances around a single person, that will mean no one in about 3 or 4 adjoining seats to the left and right, and 3 rows in front or back. That will equate to a lot of empty seats.
And I'll still be in a row where someone needs to get up every 10 minutes! LOL
People who are going to lose out from the profits of scalping tickets are not among those I feel sorry for in this pandemic.
Gronk to Tampa! :wow:
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 18, 2020, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 18, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
For my Football season tickets, I have my payments split into 4 installments. They took the first payment in March, but didn't take the second payment in April. Not sure what they're doing going forward.
What will suck though is with Eagles tickets, I generally had an easy time selling tix for the games I didn't want to go to, and at decent profits. That probably won't happen this year. I also wonder if they do have fans in the stadium, how they'll work seating. If they want 6 foot distances around a single person, that will mean no one in about 3 or 4 adjoining seats to the left and right, and 3 rows in front or back. That will equate to a lot of empty seats.
And I'll still be in a row where someone needs to get up every 10 minutes! LOL
People who are going to lose out from the profits of scalping tickets are not among those I feel sorry for in this pandemic.
Yes - So do the right thing and sell me one of your Eagles games at cost. :sombrero:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Gronk to Tampa! :wow:
The press release:
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/rob-gronkowski-trade-bucs-patriots-joins-tom-brady-draft
Quote from: LM117 on April 22, 2020, 09:32:21 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Gronk to Tampa! :wow:
The press release:
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/rob-gronkowski-trade-bucs-patriots-joins-tom-brady-draft
Tampa Bay Patriots! NFC south look out!
Even when the Bucs were mediocre-to-terrible, the NFC South was one of the more fun divisions. Now that they've got some star power too, all four teams will be exciting! I don't think there's any other divisions where that's the case. Maybe the NFC West, but the Rams seem to be in free fall, so who knows...
Aren't you all assuming Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski are even close to what they were in the prime days of the Patriots? Gronkowski was retired and Tom Brady was pretty mediocre last year.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 22, 2020, 01:06:05 PM
Aren't you all assuming Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski are even close to what they were in the prime days of the Patriots? Gronkowski was retired and Tom Brady was pretty mediocre last year.
Brady's supporting cast last year was a heap of trash. Let's see how he does with his new weapons.
Which begs the question: Will the Patriots or Steelers be the first to seven Lombardi Trophies? I predict a freefall for New England, now that their two biggest stars have gone south.
Quote from: Henry on April 23, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Which begs the question: Will the Patriots or Steelers be the first to seven Lombardi Trophies? I predict a freefall for New England, now that their two biggest stars have gone south.
If Big Ben returns healthy than the Steelers. If he flames out I honestly could see the 49ers hit 7 first.
Quote from: Henry on April 23, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Which begs the question: Will the Patriots or Steelers be the first to seven Lombardi Trophies? I predict a freefall for New England, now that their two biggest stars have gone south.
I wouldn't bet against San Francisco beating them both to 7.
Quote from: Henry on April 23, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Which begs the question: Will the Patriots or Steelers be the first to seven Lombardi Trophies? I predict a freefall for New England, now that their two biggest stars have gone south.
Brady and Gronk are old.
Still, the Pats are going to be in a rebuilding phase for a while.
OMG the Packers drafted a quarterback, folks are MAD.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
OMG the Packers drafted a quarterback, folks are MAD.
It made no sense. Are they trading Rodgers? Are they trading Love? Why draft him now with so many good years left on Rodgers instead of picking up some talent for the near term?
Quote from: Alps on April 24, 2020, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
OMG the Packers drafted a quarterback, folks are MAD.
It made no sense. Are they trading Rodgers? Are they trading Love? Why draft him now with so many good years left on Rodgers instead of picking up some talent for the near term?
Trying to do the same thing they did with Favre?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 24, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 24, 2020, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
OMG the Packers drafted a quarterback, folks are MAD.
It made no sense. Are they trading Rodgers? Are they trading Love? Why draft him now with so many good years left on Rodgers instead of picking up some talent for the near term?
Trying to do the same thing they did with Favre?
Aaron Rodgers was probably more of a sure thing even though he dropped in the first round when the Packers got him. I mean it isn't too shocking, Aaron Rodgers is 36.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 24, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Alps on April 24, 2020, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
OMG the Packers drafted a quarterback, folks are MAD.
It made no sense. Are they trading Rodgers? Are they trading Love? Why draft him now with so many good years left on Rodgers instead of picking up some talent for the near term?
Trying to do the same thing they did with Favre?
Aaron Rodgers was probably more of a sure thing even though he dropped in the first round when the Packers got him. I mean it isn't too shocking, Aaron Rodgers is 36.
The world is expecting some sort of trade now, though.
It made sense when the Packers drafted Rodgers because Favre was already into the annual retirement nonsense. Rodgers has no plans to retire anytime soon. Rodgers was also regarded as a potential #1 pick before the infamous fall, which Love wasn't. That 2004 team was also the last gasp of the late 90s glory teams, and they had a disastrous 2005 (Rodgers's rookie year) where they went 4-12; this team is coming off an NFC title game appearance and has some good pieces to work with going forward.
This Vikings fan doesn't get it.
Neither does this Packers fan.
By drafting Rodgers' possible successor now, the Packers run the risk that Rodgers will need to be replaced only after most or all of Love's cheap rookie contract (including the year 5 option) has run out. The team could've waited a year or two to reduce that risk. And I doubt that Love (passed over by three teams that took QBs ahead of him) is such hot stuff that the Packers couldn't wait for some QB at least as good to become available next year, or the year after.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 10, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/xfl-operations-suspended-terminated-laid-off-employees/)
And, as predicted, the XFL is no more.
WFL-USFL-XFL1-WLAF/NFLE-CFL USA-UFL-XFL2
People say they want more football. Until given more football.
Oliver Luck has filed a lawsuit against Vince McMahon.
https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/29077565/ex-xfl-commissioner-oliver-luck-sues-owner-vince-mcmahon-wrongful-termination (https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/29077565/ex-xfl-commissioner-oliver-luck-sues-owner-vince-mcmahon-wrongful-termination)
Going back to the draft, I find it humorous that Roger Goodell is taunting TV screens to boo him.
As we head into the last day of the NFL draft ... is it better for a player to be one of the last taken in the seventh round, or rather become an undrafted free agent? Being drafted gives you a little more security, since some team thought to spend a draft pick on you. OTOH, going undrafted gives you more freedom to avoid a bad team.
Does it make a difference whether you become "Mr. Irrelevant" (last pick in the draft), which comes with a little fame and quirky perks like a parade in Newport Beach, California (maybe not this year), rather than the next-to-last pick?
Eagles pulling a Packer by drafting a qb too early
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 24, 2020, 09:17:44 PM
Going back to the draft, I find it humorous that Roger Goodell is taunting TV screens to boo him.
I'm thinking all those TV screens are pre-recorded. I swear I've seen the same video on the 2nd day that I saw the first day.
Quote from: oscar on April 25, 2020, 10:04:59 AM
As we head into the last day of the NFL draft ... is it better for a player to be one of the last taken in the seventh round, or rather become an undrafted free agent? Being drafted gives you a little more security, since some team thought to spend a draft pick on you. OTOH, going undrafted gives you more freedom to avoid a bad team.
Does it make a difference whether you become "Mr. Irrelevant" (last pick in the draft), which comes with a little fame and quirky perks like a parade in Newport Beach, California (maybe not this year), rather than the next-to-last pick?
North Bend HS had a large DT who also punted. He wound up going to BYU and was the largest punter in college football. His name: Brad Hunter. After graduating he went to the Ray Guy punting camp and was named the best of the bunch. Punters do not get drafted often in the NFL so he was a free agent. He could have gone to the Niners, who were in dynasty mode at the time but had the weakest punting game in the pros. Instead he went to Houston when the Oilers were still there and challenged the best punter, Greg Montgomery, for a roster spot.
That attempt failed and Brad Hunter never did make it to Sunday play. If a player does not pick the right spot to get a coveted slot, their career is doomed.
Rick
Regarding the NFL draft I had a hard time watching much past the Lions first round pick. I haven't been a fan of draft coverage for years but the constant reminder of virus-this-or-that got to be a grind. I didn't think that I would find it that depressing going in and it kind of got me wondering how watching broadcasts with no fans of games would be. The constant virus oriented commercials don't help either and has turned me off from watching much TV this week at all.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 25, 2020, 08:34:52 PM
Regarding the NFL draft I had a hard time watching much past the Lions first round pick. I haven't been a fan of draft coverage for years but the constant reminder of virus-this-or-that got to be a grind. I didn't think that I would find it that depressing going in and it kind of got me wondering how watching broadcasts with no fans of games would be. The constant virus oriented commercials don't help either and has turned me off from watching much TV this week at all.
All the depressing stories kinda loosens the impact of them also.
Punter and kicker are both tremendously important positions. That said, the difference between the best and 16th best quarterback is far greater than that between the best and 16th best punter or kicker.
Quote from: nexus73 on April 25, 2020, 12:04:51 PM
Quote from: oscar on April 25, 2020, 10:04:59 AM
As we head into the last day of the NFL draft ... is it better for a player to be one of the last taken in the seventh round, or rather become an undrafted free agent? Being drafted gives you a little more security, since some team thought to spend a draft pick on you. OTOH, going undrafted gives you more freedom to avoid a bad team.
Does it make a difference whether you become "Mr. Irrelevant" (last pick in the draft), which comes with a little fame and quirky perks like a parade in Newport Beach, California (maybe not this year), rather than the next-to-last pick?
North Bend HS had a large DT who also punted. He wound up going to BYU and was the largest punter in college football. His name: Brad Hunter. After graduating he went to the Ray Guy punting camp and was named the best of the bunch. Punters do not get drafted often in the NFL so he was a free agent. He could have gone to the Niners, who were in dynasty mode at the time but had the weakest punting game in the pros. Instead he went to Houston when the Oilers were still there and challenged the best punter, Greg Montgomery, for a roster spot.
That attempt failed and Brad Hunter never did make it to Sunday play. If a player does not pick the right spot to get a coveted slot, their career is doomed.
Rick
Sad, because I consider punter to be a grossly under-rated job on a football team. A good punter will get your team out of serious trouble in one HELLUVA hurry!
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on April 25, 2020, 10:34:24 PM
Sad, because I consider punter to be a seriously under-rated job on a football team. A good punter will get your team out of serious trouble in one HELLUVA hurry!
Not the same (kickers, unlike punters, directly score points for their teams, so it's easier for them to get the credit they deserve), but kicker Ryan Succop did get drafted last the year he was drafted. He perhaps is the most successful "Mr. Irrelevant" ever, with a ten-year-long (so far) kicking career with the Chiefs and Titans before the Titans waived him last month.
Apparently, all the pressure will be on current No. 1 pick Joe Burrow to succeed, because if he doesn't, then the Bengals might replace the Chargers in San Diego:
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers-rams/story/2020-04-28/nfl-bengals-chargers-paul-brown-don-coryell
The Bengals have two issues.
First, Cincinnati is not THAT big a place, it is the 37th largest media market with about three quarters of one percent of the national populations. And unlike the Reds which still, and much more in the past, have a vast region "Reds Country" where they are as much the home team as they are in Cincinnati, ranging over parts of at least six states, and including many metro areas of similar size to Cincinnati itself. The Bengals' relationship with the Cincinnati hinterland has been far more spotty, pretty much surviving on just metro Cincinnati and Dayton alone.
Second is its unique ownership. Leaving out the special case of Green Bay, the NFL owners are mostly rich guys with ego issues. Paul Brown was a HOF coach, but he was not a rich man. He was given an AFL franchise to legitimate the AFL prior to merger. That was 50 years ago and he is long gone. His sons decided to use the team to get rich. They took for a very long time, and still today to a degree take, the huge NFL revenue (which is almost 100% shared equally between the teams) and pocket it. And, while in no way near to most guys in the club (most of the family's net worth is their equity in the team) the family has gotten 1% rich. They are just cheap and the team is never going to be successful. Because the Browns look at the team as a way to make money which many, perhaps most, owners use their team as a way to be noticed.
But as to moving, St. Louis looks like moving from one declining fringe rust belt baseball centric market to another; San Diego is just jumping into the mess that California has made for itself which means a 50 year old stadium with no chance of a new one unless you want to pay for it yourself, and Mike Brown neither can nor would he if he could. IMHO, the next reasonable NFL market considering population growth, wealth, and geography (leaving out Canada or whatever) is Salt Lake City.
At the end of the article, it drops hints of a possible Chargers return, although they're now tenants of the Rams:
QuoteIf San Diego leaders were to seek an NFL team, and the NFL were to seek a return to San Diego, the choice of team would be obvious.
For sure, it wouldn't be the Bengals. You go with the one that played in San Diego for 56 years. One more hint: It's the team that went 12-4 in 2018, yet played before hostile home crowds last year in Carson.
This is the original Cincinnati Enquirer article that was referenced:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/paul-daugherty/2020/04/22/nfl-draft-last-chance-bengals-cincinnati-column/3004157001/
Quote from: Henry on April 30, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
At the end of the article, it drops hints of a possible Chargers return, although they're now tenants of the Rams:
QuoteIf San Diego leaders were to seek an NFL team, and the NFL were to seek a return to San Diego, the choice of team would be obvious.
For sure, it wouldn't be the Bengals. You go with the one that played in San Diego for 56 years. One more hint: It's the team that went 12-4 in 2018, yet played before hostile home crowds last year in Carson.
This is the original Cincinnati Enquirer article that was referenced:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/paul-daugherty/2020/04/22/nfl-draft-last-chance-bengals-cincinnati-column/3004157001/
Not freaking likely. They're the Los Angeles Chargers because San Diegans weren't interested in paying for the tax-funded new stadium the team demanded. (Good for them.)
The Chargers' poor leadership (remember, they're the team that Eli Manning didn't want to play for, and forced a trade to send him to the Giants; also, their nickle-and-diming Joey Bosa) didn't help. But the Bungles' ownership isn't much better.
As I understand it, the Chargers pay $1/year rent, although they are on the hook for a $200M loan payable over 30 years to the other NFL owners. The entire rest of the stadium costs and upkeep are on the Rams' owner, and the stadium is now well over double the original estimate.
Since the NFL shares almost all its revenue equally, the Chargers cannot help but make money, no matter how few people come to the games. They won't leave a deal like that.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 30, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
As I understand it, the Chargers pay $1/year rent, although they are on the hook for a $200M loan payable over 30 years to the other NFL owners. The entire rest of the stadium costs and upkeep are on the Rams' owner, and the stadium is now well over double the original estimate.
Since the NFL shares almost all its revenue equally, the Chargers cannot help but make money, no matter how few people come to the games. They won't leave a deal like that.
The Chargers shouldn't be in LA.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 29, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
The Bengals have two issues.
First, Cincinnati is not THAT big a place, it is the 37th largest media market with about three quarters of one percent of the national populations. And unlike the Reds which still, and much more in the past, have a vast region "Reds Country" where they are as much the home team as they are in Cincinnati, ranging over parts of at least six states, and including many metro areas of similar size to Cincinnati itself. The Bengals' relationship with the Cincinnati hinterland has been far more spotty, pretty much surviving on just metro Cincinnati and Dayton alone.
Second is its unique ownership. Leaving out the special case of Green Bay, the NFL owners are mostly rich guys with ego issues. Paul Brown was a HOF coach, but he was not a rich man. He was given an AFL franchise to legitimate the AFL prior to merger. That was 50 years ago and he is long gone. His sons decided to use the team to get rich. They took for a very long time, and still today to a degree take, the huge NFL revenue (which is almost 100% shared equally between the teams) and pocket it. And, while in no way near to most guys in the club (most of the family's net worth is their equity in the team) the family has gotten 1% rich. They are just cheap and the team is never going to be successful. Because the Browns look at the team as a way to make money which many, perhaps most, owners use their team as a way to be noticed.
But as to moving, St. Louis looks like moving from one declining fringe rust belt baseball centric market to another; San Diego is just jumping into the mess that California has made for itself which means a 50 year old stadium with no chance of a new one unless you want to pay for it yourself, and Mike Brown neither can nor would he if he could. IMHO, the next reasonable NFL market considering population growth, wealth, and geography (leaving out Canada or whatever) is Salt Lake City.
San Antonio is also a good prospect since they have the Alamodome. SLC just has Rice-Eccles Stadium, which is fine for college football but it is not a pro facility. At least land is available to build one there. PDX, which should be in the mix, blew it back in 1965 when voters turned down the Delta Dome. Imagine that, a domed stadium in the PNW being in PDX before Seattle had theirs. In an alternate timeline, PDX is the long time NFL team while Seattle is still looking.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on April 30, 2020, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 29, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
The Bengals have two issues.
First, Cincinnati is not THAT big a place, it is the 37th largest media market with about three quarters of one percent of the national populations. And unlike the Reds which still, and much more in the past, have a vast region "Reds Country" where they are as much the home team as they are in Cincinnati, ranging over parts of at least six states, and including many metro areas of similar size to Cincinnati itself. The Bengals' relationship with the Cincinnati hinterland has been far more spotty, pretty much surviving on just metro Cincinnati and Dayton alone.
Second is its unique ownership. Leaving out the special case of Green Bay, the NFL owners are mostly rich guys with ego issues. Paul Brown was a HOF coach, but he was not a rich man. He was given an AFL franchise to legitimate the AFL prior to merger. That was 50 years ago and he is long gone. His sons decided to use the team to get rich. They took for a very long time, and still today to a degree take, the huge NFL revenue (which is almost 100% shared equally between the teams) and pocket it. And, while in no way near to most guys in the club (most of the family's net worth is their equity in the team) the family has gotten 1% rich. They are just cheap and the team is never going to be successful. Because the Browns look at the team as a way to make money which many, perhaps most, owners use their team as a way to be noticed.
But as to moving, St. Louis looks like moving from one declining fringe rust belt baseball centric market to another; San Diego is just jumping into the mess that California has made for itself which means a 50 year old stadium with no chance of a new one unless you want to pay for it yourself, and Mike Brown neither can nor would he if he could. IMHO, the next reasonable NFL market considering population growth, wealth, and geography (leaving out Canada or whatever) is Salt Lake City.
San Antonio is also a good prospect since they have the Alamodome. SLC just has Rice-Eccles Stadium, which is fine for college football but it is not a pro facility. At least land is available to build one there. PDX, which should be in the mix, blew it back in 1965 when voters turned down the Delta Dome. Imagine that, a domed stadium in the PNW being in PDX before Seattle had theirs. In an alternate timeline, PDX is the long time NFL team while Seattle is still looking.
Rick
Maybe a team like the Oilers or Browns would move to Seattle instead as it's a bigger market than Portland.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 30, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on April 30, 2020, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 29, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
The Bengals have two issues.
First, Cincinnati is not THAT big a place, it is the 37th largest media market with about three quarters of one percent of the national populations. And unlike the Reds which still, and much more in the past, have a vast region "Reds Country" where they are as much the home team as they are in Cincinnati, ranging over parts of at least six states, and including many metro areas of similar size to Cincinnati itself. The Bengals' relationship with the Cincinnati hinterland has been far more spotty, pretty much surviving on just metro Cincinnati and Dayton alone.
Second is its unique ownership. Leaving out the special case of Green Bay, the NFL owners are mostly rich guys with ego issues. Paul Brown was a HOF coach, but he was not a rich man. He was given an AFL franchise to legitimate the AFL prior to merger. That was 50 years ago and he is long gone. His sons decided to use the team to get rich. They took for a very long time, and still today to a degree take, the huge NFL revenue (which is almost 100% shared equally between the teams) and pocket it. And, while in no way near to most guys in the club (most of the family's net worth is their equity in the team) the family has gotten 1% rich. They are just cheap and the team is never going to be successful. Because the Browns look at the team as a way to make money which many, perhaps most, owners use their team as a way to be noticed.
But as to moving, St. Louis looks like moving from one declining fringe rust belt baseball centric market to another; San Diego is just jumping into the mess that California has made for itself which means a 50 year old stadium with no chance of a new one unless you want to pay for it yourself, and Mike Brown neither can nor would he if he could. IMHO, the next reasonable NFL market considering population growth, wealth, and geography (leaving out Canada or whatever) is Salt Lake City.
San Antonio is also a good prospect since they have the Alamodome. SLC just has Rice-Eccles Stadium, which is fine for college football but it is not a pro facility. At least land is available to build one there. PDX, which should be in the mix, blew it back in 1965 when voters turned down the Delta Dome. Imagine that, a domed stadium in the PNW being in PDX before Seattle had theirs. In an alternate timeline, PDX is the long time NFL team while Seattle is still looking.
Rick
Maybe a team like the Oilers or Browns would move to Seattle instead as it's a bigger market than Portland.
Maybe so but PDX is nothing to sneeze at. The last time I looked, the Rose City was ranked #31 for metro area size. That is larger than some current NFL teams are in. The lack of a stadium kills off PDX's chances. Oh what could have been!
Rick
The NFL schedule was released last night, and here's what you can expect from all 32 teams:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29108110/2020-nfl-schedule-record-predictions-analysis-all-32-teams
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
The NFL schedule was released last night, and here's what you can expect from all 32 teams:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29108110/2020-nfl-schedule-record-predictions-analysis-all-32-teams
Bucs Saints primtime should be one I check. I fact I'll try to watch lots of Bucs games this year.
My take: The Bucs are going to be OK, maybe even a wild card team, but largely disappointing. I thought it was pretty obvious that Brady's arm strength was down compared to before. He is older than when Montana went to the Chiefs and Favre to the Vikings and got to conference championship games.
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
The NFL schedule was released last night, and here's what you can expect from all 32 teams:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29108110/2020-nfl-schedule-record-predictions-analysis-all-32-teams
If the Bears don't start 3-0 there's no point in playing the rest of the season.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 08, 2020, 06:50:33 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
The NFL schedule was released last night, and here's what you can expect from all 32 teams:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29108110/2020-nfl-schedule-record-predictions-analysis-all-32-teams
If the Bears don't start 3-0 there's no point in playing the rest of the season.
I dunno Falcons could be scary.
And... some recognition for the Bills! 4 prime time games, up from just 1 last year.
Bills-Chiefs on TNF and Bills-Steelers on SNF should be fun.
I just don't want the expectations to get too high, because that tends to lead to crash and burn situations.
Last season was perfect, because it was relatively unexpected success story. There's going to be a lot more pressure this year, with everyone assuming they'll win the division, plus a much tougher schedule with 4 trips out west (vs. zero last year).
Quote from: webny99 on May 08, 2020, 11:08:15 PM
And... some recognition for the Bills! 4 prime time games, up from just 1 last year.
Bills-Chiefs on TNF and Bills-Steelers on SNF should be fun.
I just don't want the expectations to get too high, because that tends to lead to crash and burn situations.
Last season was perfect, because it was relatively unexpected success story. There's going to be a lot more pressure this year, with everyone assuming they'll win the division, plus a much tougher schedule with 4 trips out west (vs. zero last year).
Without Tom my Patriots shouldn't put up much of a fight for the AFC east, but with Belichick who knows.
I'm feeling like the Texans will have a down year, and no, it's not because of the Hopkins trade. They did literally nothing to fix the secondary, drafting a cornerback in the 4th round all the while losing 2 of the previous starters in free agency. Not only that, but the Titans and Colts both had great offseasons. I'm predicting 7 wins.
As for the Texans schedule, I think the first half of it is absolutely brutal, though the second half is soft. I mean, first four weeks is KC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Minnesota. Not sure if I've ever seen a harder start in the NFL.
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
1982 was a strike shortened season. They made the decision that year to get rid of divisions and have 8 playoff teams per conference. I was 14 years old and that was the first Packer playoff win of my lifetime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_NFL_season
My guess is that if the NFL season is shortened, they would do something similar.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
I understand that reducing the schedule by 4 games or moving the first four weeks to the end of the season are options. I'm just pointing out that as long as there's a chance that the season starts on time, NBC is not going to allow any restrictions on who plays in Kansas City for one of the highest rated games of the season.
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
It's a limited amount of portable, though, once stadiums start being booked.
Quote from: Alps on May 12, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
It's a limited amount of portable, though, once stadiums start being booked.
My understanding is the NFL requires that its stadiums have a NFL "right of first refusal." That the NFL will make reasonable accomodations of course but are expected to be flexible in case of issues like these.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 12, 2020, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 12, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
It's a limited amount of portable, though, once stadiums start being booked.
My understanding is the NFL requires that its stadiums have a NFL "right of first refusal." That the NFL will make reasonable accomodations of course but are expected to be flexible in case of issues like these.
The stadiums are already reserved for three weeks after the end of the season for playoff games, so you only have to be worried about the last regular season week and playoff weeks after that. The majority are outdoor stadiums that aren't having events in February anyway. Have no idea if the NFL has a contingency in place to use the indoor stadiums beyond that point.
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 12, 2020, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 12, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
It's a limited amount of portable, though, once stadiums start being booked.
My understanding is the NFL requires that its stadiums have a NFL "right of first refusal." That the NFL will make reasonable accomodations of course but are expected to be flexible in case of issues like these.
The stadiums are already reserved for three weeks after the end of the season for playoff games, so you only have to be worried about the last regular season week and playoff weeks after that. The majority are outdoor stadiums that aren't having events in February anyway. Have no idea if the NFL has a contingency in place to use the indoor stadiums beyond that point.
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
I think that they would put a game on Monday.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
The Jets and Chargers will do their best to prevent this from ever happening.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
The Jets and Chargers will do their best to prevent this from ever happening.
I thought it was the Giants and Rams these days...
Fox is looking to experiment with virtual crowds and piped-in sounds in empty stadiums this coming season:
https://tvline.com/2020/05/14/football-games-nfl-virtual-fans-crowd-sounds-2020-fox/
Quote from: Henry on May 14, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Fox is looking to experiment with virtual crowds and piped-in sounds in empty stadiums this coming season:
https://tvline.com/2020/05/14/football-games-nfl-virtual-fans-crowd-sounds-2020-fox/
Falcons already have experience with this.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 12, 2020, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 12, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 12, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 11, 2020, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
The NFL gave every team 2 home games and 2 away games in the first 4 weeks. They should have made them all AFC-NFC though.
Zero chance that NBC agrees to have the Chiefs hosting Atlanta or Carolina for opening night.
If the NFL gets to the point where they are lopping four games off the front of its schedule, NBC won't have much choice.
But those four games could be added to January, resulting in the entire playoffs taking place in February and the Super Bowl being held on the last day of that month, with no Pro Bowl being played. Look, the schedule that the NFL came out with is portable, and I do believe that it's a good idea to move games around if the second wave hits as expected; that way, no games would be lost, and the entire schedule could be altered, if need be.
It's a limited amount of portable, though, once stadiums start being booked.
My understanding is the NFL requires that its stadiums have a NFL "right of first refusal." That the NFL will make reasonable accomodations of course but are expected to be flexible in case of issues like these.
The stadiums are already reserved for three weeks after the end of the season for playoff games, so you only have to be worried about the last regular season week and playoff weeks after that. The majority are outdoor stadiums that aren't having events in February anyway. Have no idea if the NFL has a contingency in place to use the indoor stadiums beyond that point.
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
Back when the Giants and Jets shared Giants Stadium, there was at least one time (1985 season) when they both had home wild-card playoff games on the same weekend. The Jets game was played Saturday, the Giants game Sunday. Back then, there was one wild-card game per conference because a total of ten teams made the playoffs (each conference had three division winners and two wild-card teams), so the two wild-card games were normally played on the same Sunday. That year was an exception. I assume they'd do the same if this were to happen during any other playoff round. In 1985, it helped that Giants Stadium had an AstroTurf field–they just rolled up the Jets' end zones and replaced them with the Giants'.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
The Jets and Chargers will do their best to prevent this from ever happening.
ROTFLMAO! That was a good one!
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on May 15, 2020, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2020, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Speaking of stadiums, does anyone know what the NFL's contingency is in the incredibly unlikely event that the Jets/Giants or Chargers/Rams both end up hosting conference championship games? Doesn't seem possible to have two games in the same stadium the same day.
The Jets and Chargers will do their best to prevent this from ever happening.
ROTFLMAO! That was a good one!
Rick
Chargers looking better than the Rams.
I hope the NFL broadcasts don't pump in fake crowd noise if there are no fans in the stands this fall. Watching the Bundesliga this morning, and while no fans is strange, no fans with fan noise in the background would be 100% worse.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 16, 2020, 09:40:10 AM
I hope the NFL broadcasts don't pump in fake crowd noise if there are no fans in the stands this fall. Watching the Bundesliga this morning, and while no fans is strange, no fans with fan noise in the background would be 100% worse.
Hopefully they show at least a couple quiet games. That would be cool.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/06/21/coronavirus-college-sports-schools-reporting-positive-covid-tests-among-athletes/3231509001/
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29336227/21-clemson-football-players-positive-covid-19-latest-testing
https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus)
Update some College Football Teams are reporting COVID-19 Positive tests.
Quote from: bing101 on June 22, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/06/21/coronavirus-college-sports-schools-reporting-positive-covid-tests-among-athletes/3231509001/
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29336227/21-clemson-football-players-positive-covid-19-latest-testing
https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus)
Update some College Football Teams are reporting COVID-19 Positive tests.
There won't be college football in the fall. No chance. I think there's still a chance the NFL will play though.
Quote from: thspfc on June 22, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
There won't be college football in the fall. No chance. I think there's still a chance the NFL will play though.
Really disappointing around here, because with Greg Schiano back at Rutgers, everyone wants to see whether he can perform magic twice.
Quote from: thspfc on June 22, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: bing101 on June 22, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/06/21/coronavirus-college-sports-schools-reporting-positive-covid-tests-among-athletes/3231509001/
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29336227/21-clemson-football-players-positive-covid-19-latest-testing
https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/20/lsu-football-players-quarantined-coronavirus)
Update some College Football Teams are reporting COVID-19 Positive tests.
There won't be college football in the fall. No chance. I think there's still a chance the NFL will play though.
Michigan finally finds a way to avoid losing to Ohio State.
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
The Pats picked him up.
https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots (https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots)
Quote from: LM117 on June 29, 2020, 05:37:38 AM
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
The Pats picked him up.
https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots (https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots)
Now I'm once again excited for football season! pls happen...
Meanwhile in the Great White North, fans and players wait for the decision if the CFL will do a 2020 season.
https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/fans-and-players-waiting-for-decision-from-cfl-on-2020-season
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The CFL is in a holding pattern due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Commissioner Randy Ambrosie is optimistic that there will be a 2020 season, but no decision has been made on whether there will be a season. What form a shortened season would take also remains to be determined.
The 2020 regular season was scheduled to kick off last week. The Saskatchewan Roughriders (who had a Week 1 bye) were to open their season Friday at Mosaic Stadium versus the Montreal Alouettes.
The coronavirus changed that when the start of the regular season was pushed back to September.
There has been talk of the CFL using hub cities as a return-to-play option. Regina, Winnipeg and Edmonton are reportedly among the centres in the mix due to their relatively low number of COVID cases and manageable distances between the cities.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: LM117 on June 29, 2020, 05:37:38 AM
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
The Pats picked him up.
https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots (https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots)
Now I'm once again excited for football season! pls happen...
You didn't want to tank for Trevor Lawrence? ;-)
Quote from: webny99 on June 29, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: LM117 on June 29, 2020, 05:37:38 AM
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
The Pats picked him up.
https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots (https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots)
Now I'm once again excited for football season! pls happen...
You didn't want to tank for Trevor Lawrence? ;-)
Even with Cam I think our team is too talented to tank.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus)
NFL to consider fan Waivers
Quote from: bing101 on July 02, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus)
NFL to consider fan Waivers
That's nice. What about all the people they come home and infect who didn't sign a waiver?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2020, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: webny99 on June 29, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: LM117 on June 29, 2020, 05:37:38 AM
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
The Panthers have given Cam Newton the boot.
https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/carolina-panthers-release-qb-cam-newton)
The Pats picked him up.
https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots (https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-cam-newton-signs-1-year-deal-to-join-patriots)
Now I'm once again excited for football season! pls happen...
You didn't want to tank for Trevor Lawrence? ;-)
Even with Cam I think our team is too talented to tank.
For sure. I hate how people act like teams should tank as soon as they need a new QB. That Pats defense will still be top 5 at worst. With Cam I think they're a playoff team.
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Quote from: bing101 on July 02, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus (https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/02/nfl-considers-fans-sign-liability-waivers-coronavirus)
NFL to consider fan Waivers
My sense is that would just be another line in the fine print on the backs of the tickets ("The (team) is not liable for fans being hit by thrown or spiked balls, etc").
Mike
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop. Once again, it's all about whatever happens to be the viral flavor-of-the-day.
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop. Once again, it's all about whatever happens to be the viral flavor-of-the-day.
The Chop is the Atlanta Braves. Let's start with changing their name first.
Quote from: Alps on July 04, 2020, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop. Once again, it's all about whatever happens to be the viral flavor-of-the-day.
The Chop is the Atlanta Braves. Let's start with changing their name first.
It's both teams, actually. I specifically mentioned the Chiefs because it's the same sport/league as the Redskins.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 05, 2020, 12:38:12 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 04, 2020, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop. Once again, it's all about whatever happens to be the viral flavor-of-the-day.
The Chop is the Atlanta Braves. Let's start with changing their name first.
It's both teams, actually. I specifically mentioned the Chiefs because it's the same sport/league as the Redskins.
I thought it originated with Atlanta. It's not just those two, either. Florida State is another place I've seen it. Wiki suggests FSU started it and KC/Atlanta both picked it up within a few years.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop.
I do. It should be gone.
Patrick Mahomes signed a 10-year contract extension worth $450M.
Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
Big Ten (+4) has announced that it will play only conference contests in all Fall 2020 sports.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
Big Ten (+4) has announced that it will play only conference contests in all Fall 2020 sports.
Great. If it wasn't for the potential with Schiano's return, Rutgers would otherwise then be heading for no wins.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
Big Ten (+4) has announced that it will play only conference contests in all Fall 2020 sports.
PAC-12 has followed the Big Ten in announcing that all Fall 2020 sports will be conference only contests.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:13:19 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop.
I do. It should be gone.
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:13:19 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop.
I do. It should be gone.
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
I can see them being the Washington Federals or the Washington Express (thanks, FedEx).
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:13:19 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Looks like FedEx is putting the squeeze on the Redskins to change it's team name...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/us/washington-redskins-name-review-spt/index.html)
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned before and nothing's changed since, nobody has a problem with the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop.
I do. It should be gone.
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
End of an era. Honestly never thought it would happen.
Patriot League to delay all fall and winter leagues to spring 2021.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 13, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
End of an era. Honestly never thought it would happen.
Never? All the negative press (both recently and for years) and you still thought it would
never happen?
I saw it coming a mile away.
IMO, good riddance. The Redskins have like 12 fans in the DMV from what I've seen first-hand. May as well rebrand while they suck.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 13, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 13, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
End of an era. Honestly never thought it would happen.
Never? All the negative press (both recently and for years) and you still thought it would never happen?
I saw it coming a mile away.
IMO, good riddance. The Redskins have like 12 fans in the DMV from what I've seen first-hand. May as well rebrand while they suck.
Dan Snyder is 100% about the money and nothing else. The moment that FedEx requested it was when it was certain that the name would be changed because otherwise it would directly affect Snyder's pocketbook.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 13, 2020, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 13, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 13, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
End of an era. Honestly never thought it would happen.
Never? All the negative press (both recently and for years) and you still thought it would never happen?
I saw it coming a mile away.
IMO, good riddance. The Redskins have like 12 fans in the DMV from what I've seen first-hand. May as well rebrand while they suck.
Dan Snyder is 100% about the money and nothing else. The moment that FedEx requested it was when it was certain that the name would be changed because otherwise it would directly affect Snyder's pocketbook.
Agreed. Another classic case of "money talks". I seriously doubt this would've happened if FedEx hadn't stepped in.
Quote from: LM117 on July 13, 2020, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 13, 2020, 03:03:46 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 13, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 13, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 13, 2020, 08:17:52 AM
The team is going to announce today that they are dropping the name Redskins. New name to be announced later pending the trademarking process.
End of an era. Honestly never thought it would happen.
Never? All the negative press (both recently and for years) and you still thought it would never happen?
I saw it coming a mile away.
IMO, good riddance. The Redskins have like 12 fans in the DMV from what I've seen first-hand. May as well rebrand while they suck.
Dan Snyder is 100% about the money and nothing else. The moment that FedEx requested it was when it was certain that the name would be changed because otherwise it would directly affect Snyder's pocketbook.
Agreed. Another classic case of "money talks". I seriously doubt this would've happened if FedEx hadn't stepped in.
As mentioned, it's been talked and debated about for years. There was one reason why it's now happened, you and two mentioned it. You can bet that FedEx isn't getting their money's worth from the sponsorship anyway, so this gives them some positive press.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 13, 2020, 03:03:46 PM
Dan Snyder is 100% about the money and nothing else. The moment that FedEx requested it was when it was certain that the name would be changed because otherwise it would directly affect Snyder's pocketbook.
And FedEx, sooner or later, would have threatened pulling their sponsorship. The debate over the team name has raged for years. It wasn't just going to keep raging. Eventually there'd be a tipping point; these last couple months were that tipping point.
And it's not like they could have gone out and found another sponsor of the Redskins name. Why would any major company want to associate with them?
I said it once; I'll say it again: the name's death has been written on the wall for years.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 13, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
And it's not like they could have gone out and found another sponsor of the Redskins name. Why would any major company want to associate with them?
If not for it being in the wrong part of the country, Ore-Ida would work, as the name Redskins would refer to something entirely different.
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Quote from: jakeroot on July 13, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
And it's not like they could have gone out and found another sponsor of the Redskins name. Why would any major company want to associate with them?
If not for it being in the wrong part of the country, Ore-Ida would work, as the name Redskins would refer to something entirely different.
Ahh, the ol King County method: just change the name-sake! I get the joke, although I think the team/management need to go deeper if they want to disassociate themselves with their original name-sake, including a total name change.
Besides, what would be their new mascot? A potato? :-D
"Hail To The Redskins" was one of the few great pro football team songs.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on July 13, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
"Hail To The Redskins" was one of the few great pro football team songs.
Rick
There have been multiple reports that the song's meter is likely to factor into the new name so they can still use it. The song has already evolved quite a bit over the years, as the original lyrics to the middle verse were, "Scalp 'em, swamp 'em, we will take 'em big score. Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown, we want heap more." So there's no real reason why "Redskins" couldn't be changed to another word that fits the meter.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 13, 2020, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 13, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
"Hail To The Redskins" was one of the few great pro football team songs.
Rick
There have been multiple reports that the song's meter is likely to factor into the new name so they can still use it. The song has already evolved quite a bit over the years, as the original lyrics to the middle verse were, "Scalp 'em, swamp 'em, we will take 'em big score. Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown, we want heap more." So there's no real reason why "Redskins" couldn't be changed to another word that fits the meter.
So it will be a two-syllable word.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 13, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 13, 2020, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 13, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
"Hail To The Redskins" was one of the few great pro football team songs.
Rick
There have been multiple reports that the song's meter is likely to factor into the new name so they can still use it. The song has already evolved quite a bit over the years, as the original lyrics to the middle verse were, "Scalp 'em, swamp 'em, we will take 'em big score. Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown, we want heap more." So there's no real reason why "Redskins" couldn't be changed to another word that fits the meter.
So it will be a two-syllable word.
My wife and I were speculating that there might be a three-syllable word if it could be sung in a way that fit the meter. For example, there's been talk of "Washington Warriors." I have my doubts about the likelihood of that name for other reasons, but you can sing the word "Warriors" in a way that's closer to two syllables than three without it sounding too weird. Same goes for "Federals" or "Generals" (both of which are probably pronounced as two syllables more commonly than three anyway because people more or less omit the middle short "e" sound), but I find it really hard to imagine the Redskins adopting either of those names. The Washington Generals may have even more of a record of losing than the Federals did in their brief and terrible history.
(There used to be a pro football team named "Generals" that was owned by a certain well-known person currently residing in DC. Questionable who's less popular in the DC area–that guy or Dan Snyder.)
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 13, 2020, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 13, 2020, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 13, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
"Hail To The Redskins" was one of the few great pro football team songs.
Rick
There have been multiple reports that the song's meter is likely to factor into the new name so they can still use it. The song has already evolved quite a bit over the years, as the original lyrics to the middle verse were, "Scalp 'em, swamp 'em, we will take 'em big score. Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown, we want heap more." So there's no real reason why "Redskins" couldn't be changed to another word that fits the meter.
So it will be a two-syllable word.
Well, a two-syllable word with a stressed first syllable, and arguably also the second. Compound words can be tricky.
Jerry Jones announced he will change his team's name. (https://sports.theonion.com/jerry-jones-changes-team-s-name-to-redskins-now-that-it-1844380517)
Mod note: satire (Onion)
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Jerry Jones announced he will change his team's name. (https://sports.theonion.com/jerry-jones-changes-team-s-name-to-redskins-now-that-it-1844380517)
Mod note: satire (Onion)
That satire would not sit well with Tom Landry, who sang in a AmEx(?) ad: Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be - Redskins.
Quote from: Big John on July 14, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Jerry Jones announced he will change his team's name. (https://sports.theonion.com/jerry-jones-changes-team-s-name-to-redskins-now-that-it-1844380517)
Mod note: satire (Onion)
That satire would not sit well with Tom Landry, who sang in a AmEx(?) ad: Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be - Redskins.
What does that mean? Landry not like Indians?
We could suggest the name "Deadskins", that's how the Redskins act, far away from the glory 1980s just like the Detroit Red Wings who was known as "Dead Wings" in the 1970s.
One guy posted some others suggestions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOqM4wOYBTA
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 14, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 14, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
That satire would not sit well with Tom Landry, who sang in a AmEx(?) ad: Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be - Redskins.
What does that mean? Landry not like Indians?
The rest of the ad (for Choice Hotels) continued, sheepishly, "You didn't think I was going to say Cowboys, did ya?" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys%E2%80%93Redskins_rivalry#Rivalry_off_the_field). This was a play off Landry's unhappy exit from the Cowboys, who fired him two years earlier.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 14, 2020, 07:51:09 PM
We could suggest the name "Deadskins", that's how the Redskins act, far away from the glory 1980s just like the Detroit Red Wings who was known as "Dead Wings" in the 1970s.
Weren't they setting attendance records barely ten years ago? Not saying this makes them a good team. Just an observation I think I read.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Jerry Jones announced he will change his team's name. (https://sports.theonion.com/jerry-jones-changes-team-s-name-to-redskins-now-that-it-1844380517)
Mod note: satire (Onion)
Duh!!! FAKE NEWS!!!!
Quote from: jakeroot on July 14, 2020, 08:17:18 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on July 14, 2020, 07:51:09 PM
We could suggest the name "Deadskins", that's how the Redskins act, far away from the glory 1980s just like the Detroit Red Wings who was known as "Dead Wings" in the 1970s.
Weren't they setting attendance records barely ten years ago? Not saying this makes them a good team. Just an observation I think I read.
Fans only cared in 2012 with RG3.
The Eagles will play without fans in the stadium this season, as Philly is now restricting all large scale gatherings thru Feb, 2021.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
The Eagles will play without fans in the stadium this season, as Philly is now restricting all large scale gatherings thru Feb, 2021.
There is question on whether it applies to stadiums. https://6abc.com/philadelphia-public-events-prohibited-canceled-coronavirus-cancellations-covid-cancellations/6316668/
QuoteKenney said the moratorium would not apply to stadiums, but Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley clarified that having fans in stadiums would not meet the city's guidelines under the executive order.
Quote from: Big John on July 14, 2020, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
The Eagles will play without fans in the stadium this season, as Philly is now restricting all large scale gatherings thru Feb, 2021.
There is question on whether it applies to stadiums. https://6abc.com/philadelphia-public-events-prohibited-canceled-coronavirus-cancellations-covid-cancellations/6316668/
QuoteKenney said the moratorium would not apply to stadiums, but Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley clarified that having fans in stadiums would not meet the city's guidelines under the executive order.
While the original order didn't apply to the stadiums, all indications thru the team say they will play without fans this season
Quote from: Big John on July 04, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind. A name change will be coming.
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 04, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind. A name change will be coming.
Edmonton Inuit?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 16, 2020, 06:30:30 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 04, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind. A name change will be coming.
Edmonton Inuit?
The Inuit are spread among several time zones. Some of them might be loyal to other Canadian
hockey teams.
Quote from: oscar on July 16, 2020, 06:37:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 16, 2020, 06:30:30 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 04, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind. A name change will be coming.
Edmonton Inuit?
The Inuit are spread among several time zones. Some of them might be loyal to other Canadian hockey teams.
Ahhh, the Eskimos are Edmonton's CFL team. Their NHL team is the Oilers.
Mike
https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-tells-players-there-will-be-no-preseason-games-in-2020
No preason games for the NFL in 2020.
Quote from: bing101 on July 21, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-tells-players-there-will-be-no-preseason-games-in-2020
No preason games for the NFL in 2020.
Week 1 gonna be a shitshow.
As to the Washington name, to me it comes to this. Yeah I'm sure there are Native Americans who aren't bothered by it, but ask yourself this. Would you go up to a Native American and say, "Hey, how's it going, redskin?"
Unless you're an asshole, of course not. So yeah, change the stupid name.
In the interim, I can only assume they are held up in legal trademark BS as the explanation for the recent announcement that this year they will be the "Washington Football Team". There is no way they can't settle on a new name with this much lee time. They know exactly what they want it to be. But there's probably some dickcheese who saw this coming a mile away and squatted on the trademark for a bunch of obvious sports team names for the capital city of the United States of America just so they could extort a nice payday out of the shortsighted Dan Snyder.
Oh and let us not forget this name change is clearly timed to distract sports fans from the sexual harassment allegations within the organization that came out immediately after they announced the intent to change the name. They knew that shit was hitting the fans and tried to get out ahead of it with some good PR in this post-Floyd era.
And finally, let us all be honest. Washington would not be doing this name change if they hadn't spent the most of the last two decades sucking. If they had been on a run like the Patriots were, this thing would not be happening.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
As to the Washington name, to me it comes to this. Yeah I'm sure there are Native Americans who aren't bothered by it, but ask yourself this. Would you go up to a Native American and say, "Hey, how's it going, redskin?"
Unless you're an asshole, of course not. So yeah, change the stupid name.
In the interim, I can only assume they are held up in legal trademark BS as the explanation for the recent announcement that this year they will be the "Washington Football Team". There is no way they can't settle on a new name with this much lee time. They know exactly what they want it to be. But there's probably some dickcheese who saw this coming a mile away and squatted on the trademark for a bunch of obvious sports team names for the capital city of the United States of America just so they could extort a nice payday out of the shortsighted Dan Snyder.
Oh and let us not forget this name change is clearly timed to distract sports fans from the sexual harassment allegations within the organization that came out immediately after they announced the intent to change the name. They knew that shit was hitting the fans and tried to get out ahead of it with some good PR in this post-Floyd era.
And finally, let us all be honest. Washington would not be doing this name change if they hadn't spent the most of the last two decades sucking. If they had been on a run like the Patriots were, this thing would not be happening.
The Washington Deadlocks
The DC Posturers
The Capitol Hill Cranks
Quote from: Alps on July 25, 2020, 01:15:50 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
As to the Washington name, to me it comes to this. Yeah I'm sure there are Native Americans who aren't bothered by it, but ask yourself this. Would you go up to a Native American and say, "Hey, how's it going, redskin?"
Unless you're an asshole, of course not. So yeah, change the stupid name.
In the interim, I can only assume they are held up in legal trademark BS as the explanation for the recent announcement that this year they will be the "Washington Football Team". There is no way they can't settle on a new name with this much lee time. They know exactly what they want it to be. But there's probably some dickcheese who saw this coming a mile away and squatted on the trademark for a bunch of obvious sports team names for the capital city of the United States of America just so they could extort a nice payday out of the shortsighted Dan Snyder.
Oh and let us not forget this name change is clearly timed to distract sports fans from the sexual harassment allegations within the organization that came out immediately after they announced the intent to change the name. They knew that shit was hitting the fans and tried to get out ahead of it with some good PR in this post-Floyd era.
And finally, let us all be honest. Washington would not be doing this name change if they hadn't spent the most of the last two decades sucking. If they had been on a run like the Patriots were, this thing would not be happening.
The Washington Deadlocks
The DC Posturers
The Capitol Hill Cranks
The Washington useless
Hail to the Deadskins
A former Washington cornerback pushed for "Red Wolves". Then someone pointed out that red wolves are an endangered species. That made the suggestion even more appealing to me, but probably not to Danny Boy.
I nominate the Washington Possums--they play dead at home and get killed on the road.
Really?!? Washington Football Team?!? Of course, this is what many sportscasters were calling the team anyway. Troll move by Snyder?
Yes, this was my favorite NFL team as I have been a fan since the mid 1970's. I will always have the great memories of the 1980's and early 1990's Redskins--3 Super Bowl victories, Joe Gibbs, John Riggins, Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Art Monk, Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Charles Mann, and Mark Moseley. Also, the radio broadcast team of Frank Herzog (Touchdown! Washington Redskins!), Sam Huff, and Sonny Jurgensen. I used to watch the game on TV but would listen to the radio broadcast instead of the on-air broadcast.
Now, with all the COVID-19 issues, I have found that my level of interest in sports has waned. Not to mention that my interest in the Redskins, sorry, former Redskins, has deteriorated the longer the dork has been the owner of the team. Let's see how much deeper the hole they have created will grow.
Well, now at least I have plenty of collectors items.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 24, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
In the interim, I can only assume they are held up in legal trademark BS as the explanation for the recent announcement that this year they will be the "Washington Football Team". There is no way they can't settle on a new name with this much lee time. They know exactly what they want it to be. But there's probably some dickcheese who saw this coming a mile away and squatted on the trademark for a bunch of obvious sports team names for the capital city of the United States of America just so they could extort a nice payday out of the shortsighted Dan Snyder.
Yeah, I think it pretty much has to be this. They had plenty of time to make the name change they actually wanted, but not enough time to resolve the legal issues before the season.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on July 27, 2020, 08:26:28 AM
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Lol
I like DC Red Tails. It honors the Tuskegee Airmen.
Antonio Brown has been suspended for 8 games.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Antonio Brown has been suspended for 8 games.
I thought that was old news.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 01, 2020, 04:32:35 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Antonio Brown has been suspended for 8 games.
I thought that was old news.
Well he's de facto suspended for 8 seasons cuz he's such a nutjob.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 01, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 01, 2020, 04:32:35 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Antonio Brown has been suspended for 8 games.
I thought that was old news.
Well he's de facto suspended for 8 seasons cuz he's such a nutjob.
I love that AB is getting shade from a teenager. That's awesome.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 01, 2020, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 01, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 01, 2020, 04:32:35 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Antonio Brown has been suspended for 8 games.
I thought that was old news.
Well he's de facto suspended for 8 seasons cuz he's such a nutjob.
I love that AB is getting shade from a teenager. That's awesome.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :-D :-D :-D :-D
AB acts like a 12 year old
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
Looks like The Rock is buying the XFL...
https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/29588303/dwayne-rock-johnson-investor-group-agree-buy-xfl-15m (https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/29588303/dwayne-rock-johnson-investor-group-agree-buy-xfl-15m)
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 08, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
My goodness that's quite a steal.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 08, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
My goodness that's quite a steal.
Is it? Is this getting scored at all? Because some of these 70s quarterbacks have stats that wouldn't fare too well today.
Tarkenton was first in completion percentage in 1977 at 60.1%. That would have been good for 30th last year. His career rating is 80.4. Which is terrible in comparison.
I'm not saying he is a bad quarterback or that he wouldn't have been a success in today's game, but if you are scoring this based on stats of some sort, it would be better to pick a top 10 quarterback of the last decade than any QB in the 70s or 80s.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 08, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 08, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
My goodness that's quite a steal.
Is it? Is this getting scored at all? Because some of these 70s quarterbacks have stats that wouldn't fare too well today.
Tarkenton was first in completion percentage in 1977 at 60.1%. That would have been good for 30th last year. His career rating is 80.4. Which is terrible in comparison.
I'm not saying he is a bad quarterback or that he wouldn't have been a success in today's game, but if you are scoring this based on stats of some sort, it would be better to pick a top 10 quarterback of the last decade than any QB in the 70s or 80s.
Using Pro Football Reference, I was going by the stat AV (Approximate Value). Think of it like WAR in Baseball. It adjusts for the style of play changes. Tark is 6th All Time among ALL players. Ahead of him are Brady, P Manning, Brees, Favre, and Jerry Rice. The problem AV has is that if a player has a shorter career (Jim Brown) the value is not as high. In 8 seasons, Brown had lead the NFL in AV 5 times. While not perfect, it's a good guage.
So we are through 9 Rounds. (Rank up to 250 in AV among all players)
1st Jim Brown RB (239-T)
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB (248-T)
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE (---)
4th Don Hutson WR (---)
5th Clay Matthews Sr OLB (116-T)
6th Randall McDaniel G (24-T)
7th George Halas HC
8th Fran Tarkenton QB (6)
9th Lomas Brown T (57)
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 08, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 08, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
My goodness that's quite a steal.
Is it? Is this getting scored at all? Because some of these 70s quarterbacks have stats that wouldn't fare too well today.
Tarkenton was first in completion percentage in 1977 at 60.1%. That would have been good for 30th last year. His career rating is 80.4. Which is terrible in comparison.
I'm not saying he is a bad quarterback or that he wouldn't have been a success in today's game, but if you are scoring this based on stats of some sort, it would be better to pick a top 10 quarterback of the last decade than any QB in the 70s or 80s.
Defensive rules have changed.
The MAC has announced that Fall Sports will not be played in the Fall, making them the first FBS team to decide to not have Fall football. Will be interesting to see if that is a one-off or if that gets the dominoes falling.
Any conference outside the Power 5 and any independent outside Notre Dame is in Jeopardy especially if they depend on the Big Ten or Pac 12 for non-conference games.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2020, 09:19:19 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 08, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 08, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 05, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 02, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
In one of my Facebook Sports groups, we have a 32 team all time draft.
Required positions:
1 Head Coach
Offense
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 G, 1 C, 1 T
Defense
1 DE, 1 DT, 1 OLB, 1 MLB, 1 S, 2 CB, 1 K
We did 4 rounds so far. I had the 17th Pick in the 1st and 3rd. 16th in the 2nd and 4th.
I got:
1st Jim Brown RB
2nd Ray Nitschke MLB
3rd Shannon Sharpe TE
4th Don Hutson WR
Next Round is Tuesday. I will keep you guys posted.
No quarterback?
I just drafted my QB in the 8th round. Fran Tarkenton.
My goodness that's quite a steal.
Is it? Is this getting scored at all? Because some of these 70s quarterbacks have stats that wouldn't fare too well today.
Tarkenton was first in completion percentage in 1977 at 60.1%. That would have been good for 30th last year. His career rating is 80.4. Which is terrible in comparison.
I'm not saying he is a bad quarterback or that he wouldn't have been a success in today's game, but if you are scoring this based on stats of some sort, it would be better to pick a top 10 quarterback of the last decade than any QB in the 70s or 80s.
Defensive rules have changed.
And offenses promote the short passing game. And regardless that wasn't my point. If you are going by the traditional stats of a fantasy league, any quarterback from the 70s would be a poor choice.
But he explained the basis of his draft and it makes more sense.
So for my 10th and 11th picks, I got Leroy Butler (S) and Lem Barney (CB). Butler is ranked at 198th-tie in AV. Barney is ranked at 95th-tie in AV and a HOFer.
I still have to pickup a WR, Offensive FLEX, C, DE, DT, CB, K.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 08, 2020, 11:07:13 PM
The MAC has announced that Fall Sports will not be played in the Fall, making them the first FBS team to decide to not have Fall football. Will be interesting to see if that is a one-off or if that gets the dominoes falling.
The Pac-12 and Big Ten have suspended the 2020 football season according to a news broadcast I heard today. The Big Ten vote was 12-2 with Nebraska and Iowa being the 2 votes who did not wish to cancel the season.
Rick
Tonight's rounds:
12th Round pick was Roger Craig for my Flex.
13th Round pick was James Lofton at WR.
I am shocked both were still on the board this late.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 10, 2020, 06:30:54 PM
So for my 10th and 11th picks, I got Leroy Butler (S) and Lem Barney (CB). Butler is ranked at 198th-tie in AV. Barney is ranked at 95th-tie in AV and a HOFer.
I still have to pickup a WR, Offensive FLEX, C, DE, DT, CB, K.
Leroy Butler should be in the Hall of Fame. Revolutionary safety.
So my All Time draft is complete. * denotes HOFer. PB-Pro Bowl. AP-All Pro
HC George Halas* 5x NFL Champ, 2x Coach of the Year
QB Fran Tarkenton* 1x MVP, 9x PB, 1x AP
RB Jim Brown* 3x MVP, 9x PB, 8x AP, 1x NFL Champ
TE Shannon Sharpe* 8x PB, 4x AP, 3x SB Champ
WR Don Hutson* 4x PB, 8x AP, 3x NFL Champ
WR James Lofton* 8x PB, 1x AP
FLEX Roger Craig 4x PB, 3x SB Champ, 2x All Pro
T Lomas Brown 7x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ
G Randall McDaniel* 12x PB, 7x AP
C Jay Hilgenberg 7x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
DE Elvin Bethea* 8x PB
DT Steve McMichael 2x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
MLB Ray Nitschke* 1x PB, 2x AP, 2x SB Champ, 5x NFL Champ
OLB Clay Matthews Sr 4x PB
CB Lem Barney* 7x PB, 2x AP
CB Shawn Springs 1x PB
S Leroy Butler 4x PB, 4x AP, 1x SB Champ
K Jan Stenerud* 6x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ, 1x AFL Champ
Overall, I am happy with this considering there were 31 other GMs.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 16, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
So my All Time draft is complete. * denotes HOFer. PB-Pro Bowl. AP-All Pro
HC George Halas* 5x NFL Champ, 2x Coach of the Year
QB Fran Tarkenton* 1x MVP, 9x PB, 1x AP
RB Jim Brown* 3x MVP, 9x PB, 8x AP, 1x NFL Champ
TE Shannon Sharpe* 8x PB, 4x AP, 3x SB Champ
WR Don Hutson* 4x PB, 8x AP, 3x NFL Champ
WR James Lofton* 8x PB, 1x AP
FLEX Roger Craig 4x PB, 3x SB Champ, 2x All Pro
T Lomas Brown 7x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ
G Randall McDaniel* 12x PB, 7x AP
C Jay Hilgenberg 7x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
DE Elvin Bethea* 8x PB
DT Steve McMichael 2x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
MLB Ray Nitschke* 1x PB, 2x AP, 2x SB Champ, 5x NFL Champ
OLB Clay Matthews Sr 4x PB
CB Lem Barney* 7x PB, 2x AP
CB Shawn Springs 1x PB
S Leroy Butler 4x PB, 4x AP, 1x SB Champ
K Jan Stenerud* 6x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ, 1x AFL Champ
Overall, I am happy with this considering there were 31 other GMs.
That's a great team, very old school but I love the offense.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 16, 2020, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 16, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
So my All Time draft is complete. * denotes HOFer. PB-Pro Bowl. AP-All Pro
HC George Halas* 5x NFL Champ, 2x Coach of the Year
QB Fran Tarkenton* 1x MVP, 9x PB, 1x AP
RB Jim Brown* 3x MVP, 9x PB, 8x AP, 1x NFL Champ
TE Shannon Sharpe* 8x PB, 4x AP, 3x SB Champ
WR Don Hutson* 4x PB, 8x AP, 3x NFL Champ
WR James Lofton* 8x PB, 1x AP
FLEX Roger Craig 4x PB, 3x SB Champ, 2x All Pro
T Lomas Brown 7x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ
G Randall McDaniel* 12x PB, 7x AP
C Jay Hilgenberg 7x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
DE Elvin Bethea* 8x PB
DT Steve McMichael 2x PB, 2x AP, 1x SB Champ
MLB Ray Nitschke* 1x PB, 2x AP, 2x SB Champ, 5x NFL Champ
OLB Clay Matthews Sr 4x PB
CB Lem Barney* 7x PB, 2x AP
CB Shawn Springs 1x PB
S Leroy Butler 4x PB, 4x AP, 1x SB Champ
K Jan Stenerud* 6x PB, 1x AP, 1x SB Champ, 1x AFL Champ
Overall, I am happy with this considering there were 31 other GMs.
That's a great team, very old school but I love the offense.
Thanks. I was going with as many HOFers as I could as far as players that people have heard of.
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 17, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
There went the Roughriders playing the Roughriders...LOL! For those unfamiliar with CFL teams, that refers to Saskatchewan and Ottawa. When the CFL expanded into the USA, the team from Baltimore with no nickname won the Grey Cup one season. It would be a real loss to see this league pass away since they have quite a history.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on August 17, 2020, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 17, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
There went the Roughriders playing the Roughriders...LOL! For those unfamiliar with CFL teams, that refers to Saskatchewan and Ottawa. When the CFL expanded into the USA, the team from Baltimore with no nickname won the Grey Cup one season. It would be a real loss to see this league pass away since they have quite a history.
Rick
The CFL may just suspend operations and scale back the teams to like 6. I could see that happening.
Quote from: nexus73 on August 17, 2020, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 17, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
There went the Roughriders playing the Roughriders...LOL! For those unfamiliar with CFL teams, that refers to Saskatchewan and Ottawa. When the CFL expanded into the USA, the team from Baltimore with no nickname won the Grey Cup one season. It would be a real loss to see this league pass away since they have quite a history.
Rick
Ottawa hasn't had the Roughriders for awhile. That team folded and the expansion "Redblacks" replaced them.
Ottawa had the Rough Riders. Saskatchewan had (and has) the Roughriders. The reason there were two teams with similar names is that they both existed with those names prior to the CFL's formation and they kept those names when they joined the league. The Rough Riders folded in 1996 and were replaced six years later by the Ottawa Renegades, but they folded as well (technically, the league suspended the franchise after four years due to financial instability). The Redblacks came along eight years after the Renegades' demise.
Baltimore's team was named the Stallions when they won the Grey Cup. The team was originally named the "CFL Colts," but the NFL and the Indianapolis Colts obtained an injunction against the use of that name, so they played the rest of the 1994 season without a name (losing the Grey Cup to BC that year) and then adopted "Stallions" for 1995 so they could keep the same logo they'd already selected.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 18, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
Ottawa had the Rough Riders. Saskatchewan had (and has) the Roughriders. The reason there were two teams with similar names is that they both existed with those names prior to the CFL's formation and they kept those names when they joined the league. The Rough Riders folded in 1996 and were replaced six years later by the Ottawa Renegades, but they folded as well (technically, the league suspended the franchise after four years due to financial instability). The Redblacks came along eight years after the Renegades' demise.
Baltimore's team was named the Stallions when they won the Grey Cup. The team was originally named the "CFL Colts," but the NFL and the Indianapolis Colts obtained an injunction against the use of that name, so they played the rest of the 1994 season without a name (losing the Grey Cup to BC that year) and then adopted "Stallions" for 1995 so they could keep the same logo they'd already selected.
The Roughriders and the Rough Riders name game was once referred in the Simpsons a long time ago. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3awMcVW0KU8
The "Riders v. Riders" thing is sort of like the use of "Sox." I used to work for a firm that had offices in Chicago and Boston. The people in Boston seemed to have a stick up their arse about people in Chicago referring to their baseball team as the "Sox"–whenever someone accidentally sent a "Sox tickets" e-mail to the whole firm, instead of just to the Chicago office, people in Boston would get annoyed and complain that people in Chicago need to distinguish. Never mind that the people in Boston would sometimes make the same mistake and the people in Chicago didn't savage them over it. I suppose in that respect it's sort of like Southern Cal fans objecting to South Carolina ever using the name "USC," or North Carolina fans complaining that South Carolina has used the word "Carolina" by itself for over 100 years because North Carolina fans somehow think they have an exclusive claim to it.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 17, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
If the CFL dies will there be an NFL team in Toronto?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 18, 2020, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 17, 2020, 05:24:38 PM
2020 Canadian Football League season cancelled. The CFL is much more dependent on ticket revenue, and because of that were trying to get a loan from the Canadian government, which was denied last week. Some talk that 2021 will be in doubt as well since many of these teams don't have the reserves to cover a lost season.
If the CFL dies will there be an NFL team in Toronto?
There is no longer a suitable stadium there since the Argos moved to BMO Field (the soccer stadium) and the Blue Jays locked the SkyDome's stands permanently in the baseball configuration. I suppose it might be possible to reverse the latter (I don't know exactly how it works, but RFK Stadium surely indicates the stands can be moved again). There is still the other problem of the stadium being small by NFL standards. When the Bills used to play a home game there each season, the ticket prices were among the highest in the league due in no small part to the building's small capacity.
I'm pretty sure the NFL would require a new stadium for a team to be located in Toronto. I do think it would be incredibly successful though, and a natural move would be the Buffalo Bills.
The Bills moving to Toronto would not go over well in Western NY, especially now that they finally have good leadership and (maybe) a franchise quarterback after 20 years of ineptitude.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 12:23:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the NFL would require a new stadium for a team to be located in Toronto. I do think it would be incredibly successful though, and a natural move would be the Buffalo Bills.
The last several seasons, in local discussions, I was making analogies to the 'split stadium' situation WRT the Bills in Buffalo and Toronto to the Packers before 1995 WRT playing home games in both Green Bay and Milwaukee.
If the ongoing powers'-that-be reaction to the virus in Canada (it's much more intense there than it is here in much of the USA) ultimately kills the CFL, what is the likelihood that the NFL would absorb several other CFL teams, such as the BC Lions (would they have to be renamed?), Edmonton Eskimos (ditto?), and Montreal, as well as some of their playing rules?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 12:23:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the NFL would require a new stadium for a team to be located in Toronto. I do think it would be incredibly successful though, and a natural move would be the Buffalo Bills.
The last several seasons, in local discussions, I was making analogies to the 'split stadium' situation WRT the Bills in Buffalo and Toronto to the Packers before 1995 WRT playing home games in both Green Bay and Milwaukee.
If the ongoing powers'-that-be reaction to the virus in Canada (it's much more intense there than it is here in much of the USA) ultimately kills the CFL, what is the likelihood that the NFL would absorb several other CFL teams, such as the BC Lions (would they have to be renamed?), Edmonton Eskimos (ditto?), and Montreal, as well as some of their playing rules?
Mike
There's already a major talent discrepancy between the best and 32nd best teams in the NFL, especially at QB. Adding teams is just going to make that worse.
The best case scenario is a merger between the CFL and XFL. Maybe a 16 team league with each team affiliated with a pair of NFL teams.
Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Winnepeg, Vancouver, Ottawa, Saskatoon, Edmonton
San Diego, Saint Louis, San Antonio, Portland, Columbus, Salt Lake City, Birmingham, Providence
Most of the major summer sporting events are during the day. Play the games on Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon evenings, two each day.
The Bills are never leaving Buffalo.
Quote from: thspfc on August 18, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
The Bills are never leaving Buffalo.
Not sure why you would say that. They have had trouble with stadium deals for years there and its a shrinking fan base. The only other team that would seem likely to relocate is Jacksonville.
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
The Bills moving to Toronto would not go over well in Western NY, especially now that they finally have good leadership and (maybe) a franchise quarterback after 20 years of ineptitude.
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Quote from: mgk920 on August 18, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 12:23:38 PM
I'm pretty sure the NFL would require a new stadium for a team to be located in Toronto. I do think it would be incredibly successful though, and a natural move would be the Buffalo Bills.
The last several seasons, in local discussions, I was making analogies to the 'split stadium' situation WRT the Bills in Buffalo and Toronto to the Packers before 1995 WRT playing home games in both Green Bay and Milwaukee.
If the ongoing powers'-that-be reaction to the virus in Canada (it's much more intense there than it is here in much of the USA) ultimately kills the CFL, what is the likelihood that the NFL would absorb several other CFL teams, such as the BC Lions (would they have to be renamed?), Edmonton Eskimos (ditto?), and Montreal, as well as some of their playing rules?
Mike
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Those franchises are funded like minor league teams and none have a desirable stadium situation. Toronto at this time would be the only feasible market based on how its worked for both the NBA and MLB.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not
more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
Buffalo is shrinking, but the Bills have WNY and the GTA in their fanbase.
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
The population in western New York at best is steady and the Buffalo metro area is declining and by a number of metrics, the Bills are considered one of the least popular franchises in the league. Furthermore, now that LA and Las Vegas are opening new stadiums, its a race between them and Washington for the worst stadium in the league.
Put it this way, if you were going to chose a "most likely relocation candidate," I'm pretty sure the Bills would win in a landslide.
Quote from: Alps on August 18, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
Buffalo is shrinking, but the Bills have WNY and the GTA in their fanbase.
Right, which is a reason that relocating closer to Toronto makes sense. Much larger metro area.
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its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
The population in western New York at best is steady and the Buffalo metro area is declining and by a number of metrics, the Bills are considered one of the least popular franchises in the league. Furthermore, now that LA and Las Vegas are opening new stadiums, its a race between them and Washington for the worst stadium in the league.
Put it this way, if you were going to chose a "most likely relocation candidate," I'm pretty sure the Bills would win in a landslide.
I'm no Bills fan, but by all accounts, Jacksonville would win that vote. The Chargers are the team the league would most like to see relocate (back to San Diego), but the Rams' owner needs them as a tenant to pay for that new stadium.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 18, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
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Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Winnepeg, Vancouver, Ottawa, Saskatoon, Edmonton
San Diego, Saint Louis, San Antonio, Portland, Columbus, Salt Lake City, Birmingham, Providence
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The Roughriders play in Regina, not Saskatoon.
Move the BC Lions to Detroit, they can't be any worse.
And meanwhile I've seen "the" Football Team being referred to as the "former Redskins" in a media outlet... strangely, it was a Spanish one, and not many news about American football reach here, other than the Super Bowl.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 18, 2020, 04:13:22 PM
And meanwhile I've seen "the" Football Team being referred to as the "former Redskins" in a media outlet... strangely, it was a Spanish one, and not many news about American football reach here, other than the Super Bowl.
I've jokingly called them the OFKAR (Organization Formerly Known as Redskins) several times, inspired by some references I saw over the years to TAFKAP (The Artist Formerly Known as Prince). More often, though, if I have reason to refer to them, I call them the Redskins.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
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Put it this way, if you were going to chose a "most likely relocation candidate," I'm pretty sure the Bills would win in a landslide.
I'm no Bills fan, but by all accounts, Jacksonville would win that vote.
I often think back to that Jan. 2018 wild card game between the Bills and Jags and think about how the two franchises have gone in completely opposite directions since then. That was somewhat of a high point for the Jags - they made it to the AFC title game that year - but wow, it really has been a tale of two cities since then.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
its a shrinking fan base.
According to what sources?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
I'm sure the few dozen people who still live there can find another team to follow.
Ha. Ha. The Bills have always had one of the most passionate fanbases in the NFL. Not to mention that there's probably just as many, if not more Bills fans from the Rochester area than the Buffalo area. You could see a few dozen Bills fans in about 2/10 of a mile on the Thruway after a Bills game.
Buffalo is shrinking, but the Bills have WNY and the GTA in their fanbase.
Right, which is a reason that relocating closer to Toronto makes sense. Much larger metro area.
Why don't the Cowboys move to Tokyo then? Much larger metro area.
I'm being sarcastic, but the point remains the same. Larger metro area does not equal a more sucessful/profitable franchise, especially when you consider the fact that football isn't close to being the most popular sport in Toronto.
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 06:56:43 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
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Put it this way, if you were going to chose a "most likely relocation candidate," I'm pretty sure the Bills would win in a landslide.
I'm no Bills fan, but by all accounts, Jacksonville would win that vote.
I often think back to that Jan. 2018 wild card game between the Bills and Jags and think about how the two franchises have gone in completely opposite directions since then. That was somewhat of a high point for the Jags - they made it to the AFC title game that year - but wow, it really has been a tale of two cities since then.
Both went down immediately after that season - Jags finished 5-11 and Bills finished 6-10 in 2018 - but the Bills were much better in 2019 while the Jags weren't any good. Jacksonville is now in a rebuilding state, while Buffalo should be a playoff team this season (though they did benefit a ton from having the league's second-easiest schedule last year).
Quote from: thspfc on August 18, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Both went down immediately after that season - Jags finished 5-11 and Bills finished 6-10 in 2018
But that's not the full picture. Despite the 6-10 record, the Bills were on the right track with their leadership, and the Jags, well... weren't. They've been basically one of the worst teams in the league ever since losing that title game to the Pats.
Quote from: webny99 on August 18, 2020, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 18, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Both went down immediately after that season - Jags finished 5-11 and Bills finished 6-10 in 2018
But that's not the full picture. Despite the 6-10 record, the Bills were on the right track with their leadership, and the Jags, well... weren't. They've been basically one of the worst teams in the league ever since losing that title game to the Pats.
I thought that the Jags would be a contender for years to come.
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Both went down immediately after that season - Jags finished 5-11 and Bills finished 6-10 in 2018
But that's not the full picture. Despite the 6-10 record, the Bills were on the right track with their leadership, and the Jags, well... weren't. They've been basically one of the worst teams in the league ever since losing that title game to the Pats.
I thought that the Jags would be a contender for years to come.
I did too. And I also thought Buffalo that year was just a facade, since the barely slipped into the playoffs at 9-7, but they turned out to be more successful in the long run.
The Big Ten will indeed play football this year.
Still waiting on the schedule release, but the plan is for 8 regular season games in 8 weeks from Oct 24 through Dec 12, then on Dec 19 the Big Ten championship game will take place, as well as the other teams playing an extra game from the other division based on divisional place. So each team will play 9 games, assuming everyone opts in and there are no covid cancellations.
Note: The College Football Playoff selection this year was moved back to Dec 20.
Finally the last FBS conferences hit the field in the PAC-12 and MAC.
Notre Dame upsets #1 Clemson in 2OT, with a rematch almost certainly coming in December. If Clemson wins the rematch it will be interesting to see if one or both get playoff berths over an undefeated PAC-12 Champion that has played only 7 games or perhaps a 1-loss Texas A&M that won't even make the SEC championship game.
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the (edit) Fiesta Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
Quote from: Alps on December 19, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the Rose Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
The Sun Belt canceled its game entirely due to COVID, and declared Coastal Carolina and Louisiana to be co-champions. An important distinction for Coastal Carolina as being a conference champion increases their chances at getting into a top tier bowl.
Another thing I found interesting: among the 20 teams in the 10 championship games (including the canceled one), six different states have two teams in: Alabama, California, Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Carolina
Quote from: Alps on December 19, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the Rose Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
They won't go to the Rose Bowl, unless Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, Northwestern, Indiana, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and maybe a few others all have COVID outbreaks this week.
Quote from: thspfc on December 19, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 19, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the Rose Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
They won't go to the Rose Bowl, unless Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, Northwestern, Indiana, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and maybe a few others all have COVID outbreaks this week.
The playoff teams are going to be selected tomorrow based on today's games, so I don't think there will be the option for replacement teams. Games will either get postponed or forfeited.
The Rose Bowl may not be played in the Rose Bowl stadium anyway, as California currently won't allow even enough attendees to account for the families of players and coaches.
With the parade and all the other festivities surrounding the game canceled anyway, there's no real point in having the game there anyway. It got moved east for WWII, so might as well move it for COVID. Play it in Indianapolis or St. Louis.
Quote from: thspfc on December 19, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 19, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the Rose Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
They won't go to the Rose Bowl, unless Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, Northwestern, Indiana, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and maybe a few others all have COVID outbreaks this week.
Because the Rose Bowl is (currently) scheduled to host the CFP Semi-final
The Pac-12 Champ Ducks will get an auto-qualify for another
BCS NY6 Bowl
Now with ND's coach talking that he will turn down a Rose Bowl/CFP berth if players' parents are not allowed as spectators...makes me wonder if 1) The Rose Bowl/Pasadena, Cali regulations are willing to allow very small numbers of fans/parents 2) If not, if the CFP committee would move that Playoff game elsewhere, to somewhere that does. And I'm guessing that somewhere would have to NOT be in California, unless regulations change, of course
Not allowing the families is a bit absurd in a 92,000-seat stadium. Allow families and team staff and nobody else.
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Quote from: thspfc on December 19, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 19, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
Interesting result: The second place Pac-12 North team has won the conference championship and will go to the Rose Bowl, after the first place North team dropped out due to COVID.
They won't go to the Rose Bowl, unless Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Coastal Carolina, Northwestern, Indiana, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and maybe a few others all have COVID outbreaks this week.
Because the Rose Bowl is (currently) scheduled to host the CFP Semi-final
The Pac-12 Champ Ducks will get an auto-qualify for another BCS NY6 Bowl
Now with ND's coach talking that he will turn down a Rose Bowl/CFP berth if players' parents are not allowed as spectators...makes me wonder if 1) The Rose Bowl/Pasadena, Cali regulations are willing to allow very small numbers of fans/parents 2) If not, if the CFP committee would move that Playoff game elsewhere, to somewhere that does. And I'm guessing that somewhere would have to NOT be in California, unless regulations change, of course
I forgot that the BCS rotates and didn't check. It's sounding like Fiesta Bowl.
Yahoo! is reporting that the Rose Bowl will not be played in Pasadena on New Years - it has been moved to AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas (which already hosts the Cotton Bowl)
That should clear up any objections about no fans/parents allowed
What I think the NY6 lineup will be:
Sugar/Playoff: Alabama vs Notre Dame
Rose (in TX)/Playoff: Clemson vs Ohio State
Orange: Texas A&M* vs North Carolina
Peach: Cincinnati vs Georgia
Cotton: Oklahoma vs Indiana
Fiesta: Florida* vs Oregon
*-the Orange Bowl is obligated to select the highest ranked SEC/B10 team to face an ACC team, which is why I put A&M there. However, I can see a scenario by which the Orange and Fiesta swap teams to keep both closer to home.
I can't believe I'm saying this, since I normally root against the SEC, but I'm pulling for Texas A&M to get in over Notre Dame. Sure, ND did beat Clemson earlier this year, but that was an incomplete Clemson team that was missing Trevor Lawrence. Based on yesterday's score line, Notre Dame wouldn't have stood a chance against the real Clemson team a month ago, and for purposes of CFP rankings they should be treated as a two-loss team.
Other than beating a Lawrenceless Clemson, Notre Dame's only win of note came against UNC. Texas A&M, on the other hand, has a good win against Florida as well as LSU and Auburn (granted those aren't all that good this year, but they're better than the rest of the ACC teams ND played). A&M's only loss was to Bama on the road.
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 12:29:25 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, since I normally root against the SEC, but I'm pulling for Texas A&M to get in over Notre Dame. Sure, ND did beat Clemson earlier this year, but that was an incomplete Clemson team that was missing Trevor Lawrence. Based on yesterday's score line, Notre Dame wouldn't have stood a chance against the real Clemson team a month ago, and for purposes of CFP rankings they should be treated as a two-loss team.
Other than beating a Lawrenceless Clemson, Notre Dame's only win of note came against UNC. Texas A&M, on the other hand, has a good win against Florida as well as LSU and Auburn (granted those aren't all that good this year, but they're better than the rest of the ACC teams ND played). A&M's only loss was to Bama on the road.
But it's not a big name. I'm done with football until it changes.
Really it's hard to view this college football season as anything but a sham. The lack of a centralized leadership really was apparent with all the conferences doing different things in response to COVID. I don't see it really going much better with the basketball season just kicking off. It kind of makes me wonder if I should just move on and just focus on professional sports from now on? Even the MLB was able to get everyone focused on one goal in regards of how to get a season in.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 20, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
Really it's hard to view this college football season as anything but a sham. The lack of a centralized leadership really was apparent with all the conferences doing different things in response to COVID. I don't see it really going much better with the basketball season just kicking off. It kind of makes me wonder if I should just move on and just focus on professional sports from now on? Even the MLB was able to get everyone focused on one goal in regards of how to get a season in.
Yeah, you're not wrong on that. The NCAA is basically a cartel from what I have read. Even my dad would agree.
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 12:29:25 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, since I normally root against the SEC, but I'm pulling for Texas A&M to get in over Notre Dame. Sure, ND did beat Clemson earlier this year, but that was an incomplete Clemson team that was missing Trevor Lawrence. Based on yesterday's score line, Notre Dame wouldn't have stood a chance against the real Clemson team a month ago, and for purposes of CFP rankings they should be treated as a two-loss team.
Other than beating a Lawrenceless Clemson, Notre Dame's only win of note came against UNC. Texas A&M, on the other hand, has a good win against Florida as well as LSU and Auburn (granted those aren't all that good this year, but they're better than the rest of the ACC teams ND played). A&M's only loss was to Bama on the road.
First of all, you can't assume what would have happened in the first game if certain players had played. It counts as a win over a Top 4 team, which A&M doesn't have. Florida is a 3-loss team and neither Auburn nor LSU ended up ranked. North Carolina ended up #13. Plus Texas A&M already lost to Alabama by 28.
Let's see how A&M does with North Carolina. I think you'll be surprised.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 20, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 20, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
Really it's hard to view this college football season as anything but a sham. The lack of a centralized leadership really was apparent with all the conferences doing different things in response to COVID. I don't see it really going much better with the basketball season just kicking off. It kind of makes me wonder if I should just move on and just focus on professional sports from now on? Even the MLB was able to get everyone focused on one goal in regards of how to get a season in.
Yeah, you're not wrong on that. The NCAA is basically a cartel from what I have read. Even my dad would agree.
At least with the pro leagues they don't make any false pretenses about them being a business. I could have gotten on board with the supposed "athlete safety" thing in college but it wasn't either non-existent or cast aside once the pressure from revenue losses began to Mount. Either way, the lack of a central consensus and strong enough central body to enforce a unified respons was really apparent in how things were handled.
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team CFP we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that might work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team playoff we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that would work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
No. We already have this year what we've had several other years in that the #4 seed is about a 20 point underdog to the #1 seed. We don't need four more teams worse than the #4 team creating another round of opportunity for injuries to the players on the teams with a real chance to win.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 20, 2020, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 20, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 20, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
Really it's hard to view this college football season as anything but a sham. The lack of a centralized leadership really was apparent with all the conferences doing different things in response to COVID. I don't see it really going much better with the basketball season just kicking off. It kind of makes me wonder if I should just move on and just focus on professional sports from now on? Even the MLB was able to get everyone focused on one goal in regards of how to get a season in.
Yeah, you're not wrong on that. The NCAA is basically a cartel from what I have read. Even my dad would agree.
At least with the pro leagues they don't make any false pretenses about them being a business. I could have gotten on board with the supposed "athlete safety" thing in college but it wasn't either non-existent or cast aside once the pressure from revenue losses began to Mount. Either way, the lack of a central consensus and strong enough central body to enforce a unified respons was really apparent in how things were handled.
The NCAA's farcical "Student-Athlete" has been a sham since the first billion dollar TV contract for a conference, and those "Student-Athletes" still can't sign an autograph for $$$ without losing their eligibility and scholarship
The Conferences and their member Schools can sell the likenesses of the "Student-Athletes" but God forbid the "Student-Athletes" do it for their own personal gain!
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team CFP we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that might work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA before that happens
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA the moment a Group of Five team qualifies for the CFP, should it ever actually happen
The Power Five knows that Disney will only keep paying the big $$$ for the games if they are getting the big "Blue Bloods" into the CFP
It has never been about Football. It has always been about the $$$
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 20, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team playoff we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that would work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
No. We already have this year what we've had several other years in that the #4 seed is about a 20 point underdog to the #1 seed. We don't need four more teams worse than the #4 team creating another round of opportunity for injuries to the players on the teams with a real chance to win.
The issue is that typically, such as this year, the "#4" team is not the 4th best team. Or it's controversial. If you take the champions, you know what you're getting.
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 20, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team CFP we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that might work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA before that happens
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA the moment a Group of Five team qualifies for the CFP, should it ever actually happen
The Power Five knows that Disney will only keep paying the big $$$ for the games if they are getting the big "Blue Bloods" into the CFP
It has never been about Football. It has always been about the $$$
Think of it this way though. Sure there'll be an upset every now and then, but by and large, the P5 teams are generally going to beat G5 teams. If you have more playoff games, that rakes in more money - which would largely go to P5 conferences, who in all likelihood would make up 7/8 of the playoff field. You could argue we have this to some extent with the NY6 bowl games already, but those are irrelevant outside of the context of the game itself. I'm fairly certain people would be more likely to watch a game that actually matters for ultimately determining the champion at the end.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on December 20, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team playoff we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that would work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
No. We already have this year what we've had several other years in that the #4 seed is about a 20 point underdog to the #1 seed. We don't need four more teams worse than the #4 team creating another round of opportunity for injuries to the players on the teams with a real chance to win.
The issue is that typically, such as this year, the "#4" team is not the 4th best team. Or it's controversial. If you take the champions, you know what you're getting.
The #4 team this year is the 4th best team. Nobody else is going to be less than a 17 point underdog to Alabama.
The Panthers have sent GM Marty Hurney packing...again.
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-announce-marty-hurney-will-not-continue-as-general-manager (https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-announce-marty-hurney-will-not-continue-as-general-manager)
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-part-ways-marty-hurney-general-manager (https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-part-ways-marty-hurney-general-manager)
Quote from: US 89 on December 21, 2020, 02:05:22 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 20, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team CFP we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that might work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA before that happens
The Power Five will break away from the NCAA the moment a Group of Five team qualifies for the CFP, should it ever actually happen
The Power Five knows that Disney will only keep paying the big $$$ for the games if they are getting the big "Blue Bloods" into the CFP
It has never been about Football. It has always been about the $$$
Think of it this way though. Sure there'll be an upset every now and then, but by and large, the P5 teams are generally going to beat G5 teams
Then why are they so afraid to schedule the "top tier" teams in G5 (in normal years), opting for FCS schools and the bottom-tier G5 programs?
I don't accept the notion that P5s beat G5s just because. Play it on the field
But who are we kidding? Its about the $$$ (for the Conferences, Schools, and Coaches, not the Players, of course). The big/power P5 programs get TV ratings eyeballs and make ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC, etc cough up the big bucks
Indiana being left out of the NY6 bowls is another example. Despite being in the P5, Indiana just isn't
seen as a Football power, so they end up going to a lower-tier bowl. If another Big Ten school with the names/legacies of Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, or Penn St, and possibly Iowa, had Indiana's record and resume, they would be in a NY6 bowl, without question, and maybe even Playoff consideration
It is a ridiculous Good Ol Boys club with so much built-in bias that ends with the same confirmation bias, year after year
It is bad for the sport. I can barely even watch CFB anymore. At least the NFL believes in "Just Win, Baby!" to quote the late Al Davis. CFB: Win, be a Legacy Program, be in a P5 Conference, lobby for your Final Standing, and attract eyeballs. If that isn't on the resume, yeah not getting invited to the Big Dance
Yes, for the most part, the Top 20 programs will not schedule the best G5 teams, or they will offer to play them at home only instead of a home and home, which they know the G5 teams can't afford to do. It minimized their risk of losing to such a team, and as an added bonus at the end of the season they can point to the G5 teams' schedules and point out they didn't play anyone good.
However, the AAC is getting stronger and stronger because they have several schools that are making very good coaching hires, and they're able to sell to recruits that being on a 10-win team in their conference is better than being on a 6-win team in a P5. Another effect of this is it's making it harder and harder for middle of the pack teams in the P5 conferences to compete with the top tier, and as a result we've seen Clemson win 6 straight in the ACC, Oklahoma 5 straight in the Big12, Ohio State win 4 straight in the Big10, and Alabama 5 of the last 7 in the SEC.
It's going to get harder for the P5 conferences to get TV audiences for any games not involving their one dominant team, which is going to open the door more for the G5.
Next year Cincinnati plays both Indiana and Notre Dame, and if they go 13-0 next year it's going to be really hard to keep them out of the playoff.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 21, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
Next year Cincinnati plays both Indiana and Notre Dame, and if they go 13-0 next year it's going to be really hard to keep them out of the playoff.
Only way the Bearcats would get in next year, even going undefeated, is if there are not 4 P5 schools with less than 3 losses
A 2 loss P5 team will get into the Playoff before an undefeated G5 team, even at 8 teams qualifying, but certainly at 4 teams
Look what happened to Boise St and pre-Pac-12 Utah in the BCS era - and Boise and Utah did all they could to schedule BCS Conference/P5 opponents and still go Undefeated, and they weren't even considered for a title game shot
And there was the chicken-sh!t BCS bowl: 2010 Fiesta Bowl, matching up Undefeated Boise St and Undefeated (pre-Big XII) TCU, so none of the "Big Boys" had to get embarassed by a Mid-Major, like Utah did to Bama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, or Boise St did to Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl
Or the Orange Bowl between NIU and Florida State that everyone lost their shit over because NIU didn't deserve to be in an "elite bowl"
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Quote from: cabiness42 on December 20, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 20, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I am still of the opinion that although the 4-team playoff we have now is better than the BCS, an 8-team playoff would be even better. Here's my proposal for how that would work:
- 5 slots for the champions of each Power 5 Conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12)
- 1 slot for top Group of 5 conference champion (AAC, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt)
- 2 slots to remaining highest-ranked teams
No. We already have this year what we've had several other years in that the #4 seed is about a 20 point underdog to the #1 seed. We don't need four more teams worse than the #4 team creating another round of opportunity for injuries to the players on the teams with a real chance to win.
The issue is that typically, such as this year, the "#4" team is not the 4th best team. Or it's controversial. If you take the champions, you know what you're getting.
The #4 team this year is the 4th best team. Nobody else is going to be less than a 17 point underdog to Alabama.
A&M had a much stronger case and resume.
Quote from: ET21 on December 21, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
Or the Orange Bowl between NIU and Florida State that everyone lost their shit over because NIU didn't deserve to be in an "elite bowl"
NIU earned their spot, but they got shalacked on their trip to South Beach
Notre Dame as usual got the benefit of the doubt because of their name brand, even though they haven't been competitive in a national title scenario since the late 19&0s. They'll get their ass beaten by Bama just like they were against Clemson last year, Alabama in 2012, LSU in the 2006 Sugar Bowl, and so forth.
Speaking of Bowls and the CFP and the old BCS and all that jazz...
Most of the "Classic" New Years Bowls have moved into the fancy new(er) stadiums in their areas...Cotton Bowl into AT&T Stadium, Orange Bowl into Hard Rock Stadium (or its countless past names), Sugar Bowl into the Superdome, Peach Bowl into the Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Fiesta Bowl into State Farm Stadium
So that leaves the Rose Bowl. Does the Tournament of Roses Committee dare ever entertain the idea of regularly playing the Rose Bowl Game at SoFi Stadium instead of in Pasadena at the actual Rose Bowl Stadium?
I think it is a question of When, not If, personally. More $$$ to be made in the modern stadium
The only apples to apples comparison in that list is the Cotton Bowl since the historic stadiums where those other bowls were played were torn down and the natural successor was the new stadium. I think Jerry Jones's outsized influence probably had a say in the Cotton Bowl move, but the stadium was also well known for being in a part of Dallas that wasn't the ritziest. It still hosts the Red River Shootout and a new lesser bowl game. Stan Kroenke doesn't seem to be as greedy about getting anything and everything into his stadium as Jones, but there might be a year or two where they have to go there whenever the Rose Bowl inevitably needs renovating/rebuilding.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 21, 2020, 03:52:07 PM
The only apples to apples comparison in that list is the Cotton Bowl since the historic stadiums where those other bowls were played were torn down and the natural successor was the new stadium. I think Jerry Jones's outsized influence probably had a say in the Cotton Bowl move, but the stadium was also well known for being in a part of Dallas that wasn't the ritziest. It still hosts the Red River Shootout and a new lesser bowl game. Stan Kroenke doesn't seem to be as greedy about getting anything and everything into his stadium as Jones, but there might be a year or two where they have to go there whenever the Rose Bowl inevitably needs renovating/rebuilding.
The Orange Bowl Game was moved into Hard Rock Stadium long before the Orange Bowl Stadium was torn down, if memory serves. Maybe by about a decade or so?
After looking it up, the Orange Bowl Game moved to the Dolphins' new stadium in 1996. The Hurricanes moved to that stadium for their home games starting in 2008 - same year the Orange Bowl Stadium was torn down
The "U" was playing their home games at the Orange Bowl Stadium well after the Orange Bowl game was being played at the Dolphins Stadium
Hard Rock Stadium opened in 1987
Fiesta Bowl was played at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe - pretty sure Arizona State still uses that as their home field
The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.
The Cotton Bowl stadium still exists on the Texas state fairgrounds and is used for the Texas-Oklahoma game every year. The Orange Bowl stadium is long gone and it's sad that no use could be found for it.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 21, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.
First, for Tax purposes, aren't all the Bowl Games officially non-profits?
Second, that was the argument that the Rose Bowl would never join the BCS then the CFP - yet they did, anyway $$$
$$$ Talks, BS Walks
I don't think the Tournament of Roses will be in a big hurry to move the game to SoFi, but I think, by New Years 2031, that the Rose Bowl Game will be played at SoFi Stadium, regularly
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 21, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.
The Cotton Bowl stadium still exists on the Texas state fairgrounds and is used for the Texas-Oklahoma game every year. The Orange Bowl stadium is long gone and it's sad that no use could be found for it.
Marlins Park now stands where the old Orange Bowl was. I went to a UVA—Miami game at the Orange Bowl in 2005. That stadium was a dump. It made RFK Stadium in DC seem like a modern sports palace, in particular the exceptionally narrow concourses, inadequate restrooms, and bleacher-style seating with no backs. While bleacher-style seating is common in many college stadiums, the Orange Bowl was an NFL stadium for many years and even hosted the Super Bowl, so it was kind of surprising to discover that sort of seating there in 2005. (To the stadium's credit, though, the seats were orange plastic instead of bare shiny aluminum that would burn your rear end in the hot Florida sun in September.) I'm not quite sure I'd call the Orange Bowl the "worst" stadium I've ever visited, though. Alumni Stadium at Boston College might take that dubious honor because of the temporary-feeling construction combined with the rows of seats being way too close together so you had to sit with your knees splayed out to avoid kneeing the person in front of you. BC had far better restrooms than the Orange Bowl, though (but they were also less necessary because the Orange Bowl sold beer and BC didn't).
The one that seemed like it was torn down really quickly was the Georgia Dome. It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.
I was on the sideline for the 1994 Cotton Bowl. It seemed fine then, but that was a long time ago. ND Stadium was in rough shape before they renovated/expanded it in 1995-96.
Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.
I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta—Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.
I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta—Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.
The Georgia Dome was used for the Olympics, tho
Atlanta won their bid in 1990.
I bet the Olympics were in mind when Construction began for the Georgia Dome. Would it have been built without it? Who knows
Right, I know it was used for the Olympics. I was just responding to the comment about "built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics." Construction began in November 1989 and it opened in 1992. The Olympics were awarded in September 1990. So the bidding process was absolutely underway when construction began, but clearly the stadium was not contingent on the Olympic bid.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.
I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.
Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.
Quote from: US 89 on December 21, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.
Georgia State only recently started a Football program, or at least at the FBS level, right?
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 21, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 21, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.
Georgia State only recently started a Football program, or at least at the FBS level, right?
Started in 2010 as an FCS program. They moved up to FBS when they joined the Sun Belt in 2013.
Dan Snyder claims he's being extorted...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/us/washington-football-team-dan-snyder/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/us/washington-football-team-dan-snyder/index.html)
Quote from: LM117 on December 25, 2020, 10:52:30 AM
Dan Snyder claims he's being extorted...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/us/washington-football-team-dan-snyder/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/us/washington-football-team-dan-snyder/index.html)
Usually when that happens, you've done something extortable.
Yep, let no one forget, this name change thing is all about distracting the public from some rich asshole's sexual harassment scandal.
Team name request: Montana Joes. (Normally, this area would be too sparsely populated, but if the team is in Butte or Bozeman, it would become the closest team to the Salt Lake City metro area.)
I've mentioned it before, but if Denver didn't already have a team, they could have the Denver Omelettes. Unlike the Montana Joes, the Omelettes could work for any sport. Same with the Indiana Jones (which I haven't mentioned before), although I wouldn't recommend putting the Joes and the Jones in the same sport.
Quote from: 1 on January 13, 2021, 06:47:33 AM
Team name request: Montana Joes. (Normally, this area would be too sparsely populated, but if the team is in Butte or Bozeman, it would become the closest team to the Salt Lake City metro area.)
I've mentioned it before, but if Denver didn't already have a team, they could have the Denver Omelettes. Unlike the Montana Joes, the Omelettes could work for any sport. Same with the Indiana Jones (which I haven't mentioned before), although I wouldn't recommend putting the Joes and the Jones in the same sport.
Every strike, every miss, every incomplete pass would be followed with: "Opps, they got egg on their face".
https://www.jaguars.com/news/official-urban-meyer-named-jaguars-head-coach (https://www.jaguars.com/news/official-urban-meyer-named-jaguars-head-coach)
Yeah, I can see the Oscar Mayer truck showing up at the stadium downtown. :p
Quote from: kevinb1994 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Yeah, I can see the Oscar Mayer truck showing up at the stadium downtown. :p
Or the wienermobile. https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/water-cooler/oscar-mayer-looking-for-its-next-wienermobile-driver
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 16, 2020, 06:30:30 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 04, 2020, 09:16:35 PM
Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind. A name change will be coming.
Edmonton Inuit?
They officially changed their name to Edmonton Elks.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
Quote from: bing101 on June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/)
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
I have heard about the old USFL team here, the Jacksonville Bulls (the city went crazy to the point where they repainted the Mathews Bridge). The story is that if it weren't for the Bulls, the Jaguars wouldn't exist. Even the Oilers (now the Titans) considered moving to Jacksonville once the USFL folded back in the day (of course, this didn't come to pass, and the Oilers eventually moved to Tennessee).
^^ And Head Coach Lindy Infante went from the Bulls to the NFL and the Packers.
Quote from: bing101 on June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
Despite mentioning Trump, this is a non-political post. Donald Trump owned the NJ Generals. They had a decent team and there were others like the Philadelphia Bell and Houston Gamblers. Trump pushed for the USFL to play in the fall. That seemed to be the breaking point for the USFL. The quality of play was good enough as evidenced by the amount of former USFL players who played in the NFL. One has to wonder if there was room for another fall league back in the Eighties?
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on June 04, 2021, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
Despite mentioning Trump, this is a non-political post. Donald Trump owned the NJ Generals. They had a decent team and there were others like the Philadelphia Bell and Houston Gamblers. Trump pushed for the USFL to play in the fall. That seemed to be the breaking point for the USFL. The quality of play was good enough as evidenced by the amount of former USFL players who played in the NFL. One has to wonder if there was room for another fall league back in the Eighties?
Rick
And let's make sure we keep it non-political... A lot of what-ifs. The USFL seemed to be similar to the WHL - several teams with good talent but money issues because they had to go from 0-competitive at the get-go. I doubt the reboot is going to fare any better.
Quote from: nexus73 on June 04, 2021, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
Despite mentioning Trump, this is a non-political post. Donald Trump owned the NJ Generals. They had a decent team and there were others like the Philadelphia Bell and Houston Gamblers. Trump pushed for the USFL to play in the fall. That seemed to be the breaking point for the USFL. The quality of play was good enough as evidenced by the amount of former USFL players who played in the NFL. One has to wonder if there was room for another fall league back in the Eighties?
Rick
There was no NFL expansion between 1976 (Tampa and Seattle) and 1995 (Carolina and Jacksonville). Tampa and Seattle somewhere were a response to the WFL. So, if you consider that when the USFL began, there were only 26 NFL teams, and 2 of them fairly new (and one horribly bad)... there was a market for maybe 6 or 7 teams.
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At the time, the Colts had just left Baltimore, so cities like Baltimore, Memphis, Charlotte, Nashville, Birmingham, Jacksonville, San Antonio, Phoenix, Portland, Oakland, Columbus all were open for setting up shop. Throw in a New York metro and an LA metro team, and had they stuck to that, they might have survived. Trump's and others' intent was to push for something like 6 teams to get absorbed into the NFL. They would have reduced to an 8-team fall league, and pushed to be absorbed like the ABA into the NBA or the WHA into the NHL.
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With the NFL at 32 teams today rather than 26, it would be a tough sell today for a fall league. A spring league could succeed if it planned to stay there though. A fall league... what cities are you going to go to? At best, maybe you could pull off an 8 or 10 or 12 team fall minor league like this:
East: New Jersey, Hartford, Birmingham, Memphis, Raleigh, Columbus
West: Carson (California), San Diego, Oakland, San Antonio, Portland, Omaha
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Problem is, you're also competing against college football... even back in the 1980's.
Quote from: sturmde on June 10, 2021, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on June 04, 2021, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: bing101 on June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
Despite mentioning Trump, this is a non-political post. Donald Trump owned the NJ Generals. They had a decent team and there were others like the Philadelphia Bell and Houston Gamblers. Trump pushed for the USFL to play in the fall. That seemed to be the breaking point for the USFL. The quality of play was good enough as evidenced by the amount of former USFL players who played in the NFL. One has to wonder if there was room for another fall league back in the Eighties?
Rick
There was no NFL expansion between 1976 (Tampa and Seattle) and 1995 (Carolina and Jacksonville). Tampa and Seattle somewhere were a response to the WFL. So, if you consider that when the USFL began, there were only 26 NFL teams, and 2 of them fairly new (and one horribly bad)... there was a market for maybe 6 or 7 teams.
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At the time, the Colts had just left Baltimore, so cities like Baltimore, Memphis, Charlotte, Nashville, Birmingham, Jacksonville, San Antonio, Phoenix, Portland, Oakland, Columbus all were open for setting up shop. Throw in a New York metro and an LA metro team, and had they stuck to that, they might have survived. Trump's and others' intent was to push for something like 6 teams to get absorbed into the NFL. They would have reduced to an 8-team fall league, and pushed to be absorbed like the ABA into the NBA or the WHA into the NHL.
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With the NFL at 32 teams today rather than 26, it would be a tough sell today for a fall league. A spring league could succeed if it planned to stay there though. A fall league... what cities are you going to go to? At best, maybe you could pull off an 8 or 10 or 12 team fall minor league like this:
East: New Jersey, Hartford, Birmingham, Memphis, Raleigh, Columbus
West: Carson (California), San Diego, Oakland, San Antonio, Portland, Omaha
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Problem is, you're also competing against college football... even back in the 1980's.
Try some big Mexican cities. Could be a huge untapped market.
As someone put it on another board a couple days ago, NFL fans and football fans are not the same thing. Most "football" fans in reality just do not give a shit about non-NFL action, and to a lesser degree major college football.
The Chicago Bears may be sharing their new den with an expansion team:
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html (https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html)
This would also add a lot of value to the AFC TV contract - there is no AFC team between Indianapolis and Kansas City.
https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-de-frank-clark-facing-3-years-prison-felony-weapon-possession-charge-220557743.html
oof
Quote from: tidecat on July 09, 2021, 09:21:35 PM
The Chicago Bears may be sharing their new den with an expansion team:
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html (https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html)
This would also add a lot of value to the AFC TV contract - there is no AFC team between Indianapolis and Kansas City.
There won't be one in Chicago, either. Chicago has not been a two-team NFL city since 1959, the last year before the Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis. In those days, the Bears/Cards rivalry was north side/south side, like the Cubs/White Sox today.
If another team moved into the new Bears stadium, or even if both played at Soldier Field, the AFC team would be a moot point. Chicago is a Bears and NFC town, and the AFC is all but irrelevant there.
I would expand to many cities before adding a second team in Chicago.
The CFL will have another reality check.
https://www.tsn.ca/questions-surrounding-big-markets-loom-after-cfl-xfl-fallout-1.1665876
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We interrupt this joyous return to the field in Canadian Football for a reality check about the future of the league beyond this season.
As most are aware, the CFL announced this week that it's no longer in talks about collaboration with the XFL, meaning the league will plot its way into the future as we've always known in it — nine teams in Canada, playing three-down football, guaranteeing 21 Canadians on every team.
And a business model that's as traditional as it gets.
All of which is reason for celebration for many, especially those who believe that the CFL's traditional qualities give it a unique flavour in the vast and ever-expanding world of professional sports.
Heck, it was even cause for one CFL team (Edmonton) to issue a celebratory news release that might as well have read "Ding, dong, The Witch is dead."
So into the future the CFL goes, pretty much as we've always known it.
The only problem with that is that the CFL business model — which is fundamental to its existence -- hasn't worked very well of late in Vancouver, Montreal and especially Toronto.
And unless the league comes up with a way to solve that, or ensure ownership in those cities is willing to subsidize teams in perpetuity, then there's going to a crisis. And quite possibly, a big one.
Objectively, the ownership situation in all three of those markets is such that it begs questions about the future.
The B.C. Lions were owned by David Braley for more than 23 years when the Ontario businessman passed away in October of 2020, leaving the team in the hands of his estate.
Braley supported the Lions through some lean years, with his own money and that from the many Grey Cups he hosted, as owner in B.C. and, for a time, in Toronto.
But he leaves the franchise on a low in terms of popularity and profitability. The Lions didn't draw 20,000 fans to a single game last season.
And the brand is struggling to engage younger fans, as it does elsewhere in the country.
There is said to be multiple groups interested in purchasing the team, but the devil here is in the details. Under what terms?
The next owner of the B.C. Lions has to be prepared to spend, at least for a while.
If the CFL folds the NFL should take advantage and expand to Toronto and maybe Vancouver or Montreal.
There is a rumor of the Toronto Argonauts joining he XFL by 2023: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/could-cfls-toronto-argonauts-join-xfl-for-2023/ar-AALYyGO?ocid=uxbndlbing
Quote from: Big John on July 10, 2021, 02:08:23 PM
There is a rumor of the Toronto Argonauts joining he XFL by 2023: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/could-cfls-toronto-argonauts-join-xfl-for-2023/ar-AALYyGO?ocid=uxbndlbing
It was discussed on another board I'm on. Their ownership structure and Canadian pride won't allow that to happen.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 10, 2021, 01:26:30 PM
If the CFL folds the NFL should take advantage and expand to Toronto and maybe Vancouver or Montreal.
Can we just get over it with this? Every. Single. Month. We have a silly suggestion about the NFL expanding across international borders, over oceans, into tiny little cities that could never support a team. Look at the mess the NHL, NBA, and MLB are/were in during Covid, when the Raptors and Blue Jays semi-permanently relocated and the Canadian hockey teams may as well have formed their own league.
Quote from: thspfc on July 10, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 10, 2021, 01:26:30 PM
If the CFL folds the NFL should take advantage and expand to Toronto and maybe Vancouver or Montreal.
Can we just get over it with this? Every. Single. Month. We have a silly suggestion about the NFL expanding across international borders, over oceans, into tiny little cities that could never support a team. Look at the mess the NHL, NBA, and MLB are/were in during Covid, when the Raptors and Blue Jays semi-permanently relocated and the Canadian hockey teams may as well have formed their own league.
Toronto is not a tiny city, and in non-covid times the Raptors and Blue Jays are doing just fine.
Chicago. Agree there will never be another team there. All I can add is that there really is hardly an "AFC contract" anymore. The new TV deal, which kicks in in 22, will allow for yet more "flexing" between Fox and CBS.
CFL. Agree 100% with all of this international expansion is so much ho-ha. But the point of the TSN article is that the CFL is working, in the Prairies, where it fill a cultural and social role similar to college football in America's more rural states. But not in Canada's big cities, where it is seen as a minor league. This is true. If, as I believe it will, NIL destroys college football as we know it, I would not be surprised to see those teams in the minor league that replaces the NCAA.
Canada generally. To me the true deadline is September. The Blue Jays really don't matter, they can play all year in Buffalo, but if Canada cannot get its health situation together in order to allow the NHL a normal season, the future of cross border sports, heck, cross border entertainment generally, will change forever.
Quote from: SP Cook on July 10, 2021, 03:19:25 PM
Chicago. Agree there will never be another team there. All I can add is that there really is hardly an "AFC contract" anymore. The new TV deal, which kicks in in 22, will allow for yet more "flexing" between Fox and CBS.
CFL. Agree 100% with all of this international expansion is so much ho-ha. But the point of the TSN article is that the CFL is working, in the Prairies, where it fill a cultural and social role similar to college football in America's more rural states. But not in Canada's big cities, where it is seen as a minor league. This is true. If, as I believe it will, NIL destroys college football as we know it, I would not be surprised to see those teams in the minor league that replaces the NCAA.
Canada generally. To me the true deadline is September. The Blue Jays really don't matter, they can play all year in Buffalo, but if Canada cannot get its health situation together in order to allow the NHL a normal season, the future of cross border sports, heck, cross border entertainment generally, will change forever.
Canada needs to get its head out of its ass with this covid sports thing
Quote from: tidecat on July 09, 2021, 09:21:35 PM
The Chicago Bears may be sharing their new den with an expansion team:
https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html (https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/07/nfl-rumors-chicago-expansion-team-how-new-bears-stadium-could-make-it-happen.html)
This would also add a lot of value to the AFC TV contract - there is no AFC team between Indianapolis and Kansas City.
Indianapolis isn't far from Chicago. I can't imagine they would be happy about having to compete with another AFC team for fans in northern and northwestern Indiana.
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 02, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Austin is a cool NFL market but I don't want the loyal fans in Buffalo to lose their team.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 02, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 02, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Austin is a cool NFL market but I don't want the loyal fans in Buffalo to lose their team.
They still have the Argonauts. Austin/San Antonio has grown enough to deserve teams in all major sports.
Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2021, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 02, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 02, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Austin is a cool NFL market but I don't want the loyal fans in Buffalo to lose their team.
They still have the Argonauts. Austin/San Antonio has grown enough to deserve teams in all major sports.
The Argonauts play in Toronto. That's not the same market. Move the Chargers to Austin.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 03, 2021, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2021, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 02, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 02, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Austin is a cool NFL market but I don't want the loyal fans in Buffalo to lose their team.
They still have the Argonauts. Austin/San Antonio has grown enough to deserve teams in all major sports.
The Argonauts play in Toronto. That's not the same market. Move the Chargers to Austin.
I think it's basically a done deal that if Austin gets an NFL team, it'll be the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 03, 2021, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 03, 2021, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2021, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 02, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 02, 2021, 06:12:37 PM
Could we said "Adios Buffalo Bills! Hello Austin Bills!" soon? https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/texas-gov-abbott-acknowledges-buffalo-bills-austin-relocation/
QuoteAUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) — Could there be a third NFL team in the Lone Star State? It appears Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at least acknowledges the idea.
According to a report from ESPN writer Seth Wickersham, the Buffalo Bills are looking into potential relocation spots, including Austin, amid negotiations for a new stadium.
The idea of Austin or another city as a possible destination could be seen as a "threat," according to Wickersham.
In a tweet, the Texas governor reacted to news of the report with a simple emoji of eyes glancing to the left. Abbott has not said what he thinks of the possibility.
Austin is a cool NFL market but I don't want the loyal fans in Buffalo to lose their team.
They still have the Argonauts. Austin/San Antonio has grown enough to deserve teams in all major sports.
The Argonauts play in Toronto. That's not the same market. Move the Chargers to Austin.
I think it's basically a done deal that if Austin gets an NFL team, it'll be the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I chose the Chargers as they have no fans in LA.
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 03, 2021, 04:30:04 PM
I think it's basically a done deal that if Austin gets an NFL team, it'll be the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I doubt it. The owner, Shad Khan, has invested heavily in the city of Jacksonville. I doubt he'd do that if he were planning to move.
Chris
Having squeezed all the value out of "if you taxpayers don't build me a stadium, I will move to LA" for 25 years, the NFL has apparently settled on Austin, TX as the new boogie man.
With the Bills (23), Bengals (26), Titans (27), and Saints (25) all being small markets with leases running out soon, we will see this theme for a while.
There are three reasons no team will ever be in Austin or San Antonio. These are spelled C O W B O Y S, T E X A N S, and L O N G H O R N S.
While the largest market w/o an NFL team is actually Orlando, which isn't getting one either for similar reasons, if I were in charge of stadium extortion for the NFL, I would use Salt Lake City, which is fast growing, rich, and hundreds of miles from the other teams.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 04, 2021, 11:37:23 AM
There are three reasons no team will ever be in Austin or San Antonio. These are spelled C O W B O Y S, T E X A N S, and L O N G H O R N S.
NFL can't move into Austin because of a college football team? Isn't there dozens of markets with both?
If there was a state that could do both, we all know it's Texas.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 04, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 04, 2021, 11:37:23 AM
There are three reasons no team will ever be in Austin or San Antonio. These are spelled C O W B O Y S, T E X A N S, and L O N G H O R N S.
NFL can't move into Austin because of a college football team? Isn't there dozens of markets with both?
If there was a state that could do both, we all know it's Texas.
Lot of markets with pro and college teams, but the Cowboys have a lot of fans and Jerry Jones is a powerful owner so I doubt Austin ever gets a team.
I don't know if San Diego has changed its mind about being willing to build a stadium, but that would be an option. St. Louis probably isn't getting a third shot at a team. Toronto would be a strong candidate, and while I think a second team in Chicago is a bad idea, I wouldn't rule out that happening.
Doesn't Goodell not like Jerry Jones anymore?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2021, 06:06:00 PM
Doesn't Goodell not like Jerry Jones anymore?
Commish works for the owners, not the other way around.
Here are some metro areas that might be able to support teams, but would likely get pushback from an existing franchise:
San Francisco - San Jose/Santa Clara is technically a separate metro area but the 49ers are never going to let a team move to SF. NFL should have forced them to give up a claim to SF when they moved to Santa Clara.
Orlando - Too close to Tampa
San Antonio & Austin - Cowboys would object
Portland - Seahawks might object
Columbus - both Ohio teams would object
Have lost teams due to lack of support which isn't likely to change:
San Diego
Saint Louis
I don't know if OKC could support an NFL team. Also an area the Cowboys might claim but they'd rather give that up than Austin or San Antonio.
NFL should expand to Canada. The Commish does not work for the CFL.
Toronto's biggest problem is the lack of a stadium. The Argonauts moved to the soccer stadium, which was expanded to accommodate them but still has way too few seats for an NFL team, and when they made that move, their old home's seats were permanently locked into the baseball configuration and various other changes were made that would make the football conversion extremely difficult. Plus even that stadium would have been the smallest capacity in the NFL, which was why tickets cost so much when the Bills played there.
That's assuming Parliament even allows an NFL team.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2021, 08:26:03 PM
Toronto's biggest problem is the lack of a stadium. The Argonauts moved to the soccer stadium, which was expanded to accommodate them but still has way too few seats for an NFL team, and when they made that move, their old home's seats were permanently locked into the baseball configuration and various other changes were made that would make the football conversion extremely difficult. Plus even that stadium would have been the smallest capacity in the NFL, which was why tickets cost so much when the Bills played there.
That's assuming Parliament even allows an NFL team.
Many other expansion cities would also require a new stadium.
The NFL will never have a team in Canada as long as Canadian OTA TV is as it is now. The other leagues, which are much more dependent on RSNs, can monetize Canada in a way the OTA dependent NFL cannot.
Also the comments about the Skydome are correct. It has been modified for baseball only use now, and, at 32 years old, it is probably looking for a replacement in the next decade, which will almost certainly be a baseball only park.
UMass football is literally the worst. I turned off the game at halftime.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 04, 2021, 06:17:17 PM
I don't know if OKC could support an NFL team. Also an area the Cowboys might claim but they'd rather give that up than Austin or San Antonio.
It would print money. Yeah, yeah, people love them some Sooners, but people still won't shut up about football here just because it's Sunday. People would just be excited they had two games to go to instead of one. As for the Cowboys, nobody really gives too much of a shit about them around here. People are just as likely to be fans of any of the other teams in the league, or just watch football to watch football, as they are to support the Cowboys.
If the NFL football don't expand in Canada. I wonder if indoor american football aka arena football could step in the Great White North?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2021, 06:51:47 PM
NFL should expand to Canada. The Commish does not work for the CFL.
NFL and CFL have different rules. Like the setback for a touchdown.
UMass football down terrible yikes I went to the game nothing but failure
I've made it apparent that I don't think any new franchises will be added to the NFL anytime soon, however, there is one team that I think could be in the relocation market within the next decade: the Saints. The Superdome isn't getting younger; it's now the fifth oldest stadium in the league. I doubt that the city of New Orleans will be excited to pay for a new stadium, as they already have their hands full with trying to keep the city above water. So that combined with the fact that the Saints are in jeopardy every year of losing revenue from multiple home games as a result of hurricanes moving them to other cities is not good.
Jacksonville also seems like a natural relocation candidate.
Nobody should relocate, I favor expansion to bring more teams to new markets.
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:54:12 AM
I've made it apparent that I don't think any new franchises will be added to the NFL anytime soon, however, there is one team that I think could be in the relocation market within the next decade: the Saints. The Superdome isn't getting younger; it's now the fifth oldest stadium in the league. I doubt that the city of New Orleans will be excited to pay for a new stadium, as they already have their hands full with trying to keep the city above water. So that combined with the fact that the Saints are in jeopardy every year of losing revenue from multiple home games as a result of hurricanes moving them to other cities is not good.
They're as important to the people of that region as the Packers are to Wisconsin. No chance.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:04:43 PM
Nobody should relocate, I favor expansion to bring more teams to new markets.
Carolina was an expansion team, just like Jacksonville.
Houston was added in 2002, affecting NFC/AFC Central
Adding or removing teams can bring detrimental effects.
:pan:
Quote from: snowc on September 27, 2021, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 25, 2021, 02:04:43 PM
Nobody should relocate, I favor expansion to bring more teams to new markets.
Carolina was an expansion team, just like Jacksonville.
Houston was added in 2002, affecting NFC/AFC Central
Adding or removing teams can bring detrimental effects.
:pan:
Cleveland was an expansion team too, to make up for the loss of the original team to Baltimore (now the Ravens). Unlike the midnight relocation of the original Baltimore Colts to Indianapolis, the NFL insisted team name, records, etc. from the pre-relocation Browns stay in Cleveland, to be picked up by the new Browns.
The existing Houston franchise was also an expansion team, to make up for the departure of the Houston Oilers (now the Tennessee Titans).
No such luck for St. Louis (former home of the Rams, after it had been swiped from Los Angeles, and the football Cardinals which left for hot but less humid Arizona), or San Diego (former home of the Chargers).
Adding franchises beyond the current 32 (mathematically beautiful power of 2, divided into two conferences, each divided into four 4-team divisions) would also dilute the available talent pool.
In the world of college football, it's been a crazy year thus far, as some perennial good teams like Clemson and Wisconsin are 2-2 and "bad" teams like Arkansas and Wake Forest are 4-0. But the real interesting thing is that most of the top teams other than Alabama and Georgia have really struggled or have looked relatively shoddy. I don't think the current rankings give that as much justice, so here's my take on the top 25 through Week 4:
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. Oregon
4. Penn State
5. Cincinnati
6. Florida
7. Iowa
8. Ole Miss
9. Oklahoma
10. Notre Dame
11. Ohio State
12. BYU
13. Arkansas
14. Michigan
15. Baylor
16. UCLA
17. NC State
18. Wake Forest
19. Coastal Carolina
20. Texas
21. Michigan State
22. Fresno State
23. Texas A&M
24. SMU
25. Kentucky
On the bubble:
Oklahoma State
Auburn
Maryland
San Diego State
Boston College
UTSA
Penn State beats Wisconsin by 6 and you have them #4
Notre Dame beats Wisconsin by 28 and you have them #11
That's one way to ignore results I suppose.
Penn State also beat Auburn. Notre Dame's best win other than Wisconsin is ... Purdue? Not to mention they barely beat a winless Florida State team and a MAC team that got blown out by a team that lost to Vanderbilt and an FCS team. Also, the score of that Wisconsin-Notre Dame game is inflated by two garbage-time pick-sixes. Wisconsin had a lead briefly in the fourth quarter in that Notre Dame game. I stand by my ranking. :sombrero:
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:54:12 AM
I've made it apparent that I don't think any new franchises will be added to the NFL anytime soon, however, there is one team that I think could be in the relocation market within the next decade: the Saints. The Superdome isn't getting younger; it's now the fifth oldest stadium in the league. I doubt that the city of New Orleans will be excited to pay for a new stadium, as they already have their hands full with trying to keep the city above water. So that combined with the fact that the Saints are in jeopardy every year of losing revenue from multiple home games as a result of hurricanes moving them to other cities is not good.
Actually, seeing the Saints leave New Orleans is plausible. Prior to Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans, Tom Benson was actually threatening to move the Saints to San Antonio. Benson even had one foot out the door after Katrina hit (Saints had one or two "home" games in San Antonio during the 2005 season). I don't know who helped Tagliabue, but Benson was paid to stay in New Orleans, and Tom became all lovey-dovey towards NOLA before 2005 ended. The following offseason Sean Payton & Drew Brees showed up and the rest is history.
But yes, the state of Louisiana & city of New Orleans both know they have to do something to keep the Saints long into the future.
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Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:54:12 AM
I've made it apparent that I don't think any new franchises will be added to the NFL anytime soon, however, there is one team that I think could be in the relocation market within the next decade: the Saints. The Superdome isn't getting younger; it's now the fifth oldest stadium in the league. I doubt that the city of New Orleans will be excited to pay for a new stadium, as they already have their hands full with trying to keep the city above water. So that combined with the fact that the Saints are in jeopardy every year of losing revenue from multiple home games as a result of hurricanes moving them to other cities is not good.
Actually, seeing the Saints leave New Orleans is plausible. Prior to Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans, Tom Benson was actually threatening to move the Saints to San Antonio. Benson even had one foot out the door after Katrina hit (Saints had one or two "home" games in San Antonio during the 2005 season). I don't know who helped Tagliabue, but Benson was paid to stay in New Orleans, and Tom became all lovey-dovey towards NOLA before 2005 ended. The following offseason Sean Payton & Drew Brees showed up and the rest is history.
But yes, the state of Louisiana & city of New Orleans both know they have to do something to keep the Saints long into the future.
If NOLA sinks due to hurricanes or climate change the Saints should move to Tiger Stadium and become the Louisiana Saints.
Speaking of teams moving, it looks like da Bears will be leaving downtown Chicago for the suburbs in a few years:
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/statement-released-regarding-arlington-park
Quote from: Henry on September 30, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Speaking of teams moving, it looks like da Bears will be leaving downtown Chicago for the suburbs in a few years:
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/statement-released-regarding-arlington-park
This should have been done 20 years ago, before the area bounded by Roosevelt, 18th, Clark, and LSD got developed. Could have built a modern, 80,000 seat stadium with a retractable roof, parking, restaurants/bars and hotels. Now, Arlington Heights is really the only place to do this.
Quote from: Henry on September 30, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Speaking of teams moving, it looks like da Bears will be leaving downtown Chicago for the suburbs in a few years:
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/statement-released-regarding-arlington-park
Soldier Field was already ruined by the renovations.
Like the 1970s "renovations" to Yankee Stadium, these consisted of, more or less, building a 95% new stadium inside the shell of the old one. At $424M in taxpayer money. How any political entity spends that kind of money and doesn't tie the team up in a multi-generational lease is beyond me.
Quote from: SP Cook on September 30, 2021, 11:47:57 AMHow any political entity spends that kind of money and doesn't tie the team up in a multi-generational lease is beyond me.
The Bears
are tied up in a multi-year lease - they'll have to pay about $84M to the city to break it. I don't think either party would be interested in a multi-generational lease.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 30, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
Speaking of teams moving, it looks like da Bears will be leaving downtown Chicago for the suburbs in a few years:
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/statement-released-regarding-arlington-park
Soldier Field was already ruined by the renovations.
A modern football stadium that could have been usable for 40+ years was never going to fit in the historic outer shell. There was an irrational public demand that the Bears continue to play inside that outer shell, so we ended up getting what's there now.
This time around, everybody realizes that continuing to play inside that shell is no longer an option.
Soldier should be demolished the second the Bears play their last game there. Don't let it turn into another Silverdome, rotting emptily and becoming an ugly feature of the Chicago lakefront. The Chicago Fire can play in the new stadium, as moving out to the suburbs could be good for them since I'd assume that's where most of their fan base is, making it less of a chore to attend a game.
Quote from: thspfc on September 30, 2021, 12:22:38 PMThe Chicago Fire can play in the new stadium, as moving out to the suburbs could be good for them since I'd assume that's where most of their fan base is
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It's...not. There's a reason they no longer play in Bridgeview.
Quote from: thspfc on September 30, 2021, 12:22:38 PM
Soldier should be demolished the second the Bears play their last game there. Don't let it turn into another Silverdome, rotting emptily and becoming an ugly feature of the Chicago lakefront. The Chicago Fire can play in the new stadium, as moving out to the suburbs could be good for them since I'd assume that's where most of their fan base is, making it less of a chore to attend a game.
This is really the only option. That whole area down there is far too valuable to let a stadium sit empty. As long as it's no longer historic, take it down and reconsider the whole south end of the Lakeshore.
I'm not really sure what I think about the move. Suburban stadiums are really boring. Chicago is a cool city, with great transit and lots to do right in the immediate vicinity.
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
I'm not familiar with Arlington, MA, but finding anywhere in Arlington, VA, to build a football stadium would be quite the challenge.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 30, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
I'm not familiar with Arlington, MA, but finding anywhere in Arlington, VA, to build a football stadium would be quite the challenge.
There's also an Arlington here in Florida (Jacksonville, in what used to be unincorporated Duval County, but was consolidated in 1968). But for logistical reasons the Jags play near what used to be the border between East Jacksonville (annexed in 1887) and Fairfield (which was briefly an incorporated town starting in 1880, gave its name to the old Gator Bowl (the game did not exist until after World War II) stadium upon its opening in 1928, and was also annexed in 1887).
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 30, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
I'm not familiar with Arlington, MA, but finding anywhere in Arlington, VA, to build a football stadium would be quite the challenge.
Yeah neither Arlington would realistically work.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 30, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
I'm not familiar with Arlington, MA, but finding anywhere in Arlington, VA, to build a football stadium would be quite the challenge.
I don't remember if this is in Arlington or Alexandria, but the site of the PRR's former Potomac Yard was one site considered for Nats Park.
Quote from: abefroman329 on September 30, 2021, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 30, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 30, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
There's already an Arlington Cowboys. :bigass:
Move the Football team to Arlington Virginia and the Patriots to Arlington Mass
I'm not familiar with Arlington, MA, but finding anywhere in Arlington, VA, to build a football stadium would be quite the challenge.
I don't remember if this is in Arlington or Alexandria, but the site of the PRR's former Potomac Yard was one site considered for Nats Park.
It's in Alexandria.
Alexandria was probably a candidate since Arlington told MLB to get lost when it was sniffing around for DC-area stadium sites. Arlington's logic applies as much to Alexandria, and more so for football than baseball -- a stadium used for only a few games a year, plus some special events, doesn't make sense from the economic development standpoint, with much better development opportunities available in Arlington (or Alexandria), like the new Amazon HQ2 plan that came around later.
Urban loses again
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
Urban loses again
He took over the worst team in the NFL and learned that there isn't as much parity as he thought.
Quote from: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
Urban loses again
He took over the worst team in the NFL and learned that there isn't as much parity as he thought.
"It's like playing Alabama every week"
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
Urban loses again
He took over the worst team in the NFL and learned that there isn't as much parity as he thought.
"It's like playing Alabama every week"
Alabama couldn't compete reasonably with any modern NFL team, even the worst ones.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
Urban loses again
Not disputing that Urban is mostly likely not going to last more than three seasons, however, you know that if the Jags won, you would say "Lawrence wins" and not "Urban wins" . Seems like the narrative this year is that the struggles of the rookie quarterbacks are all the coaches' faults.
Still an OK performance by the Jaguars, as they led for the entire game even though they lost. That last drive by the Bengals was clinical. You'd think they'd been doing it for 50 years.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 01, 2021, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 01, 2021, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 01, 2021, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 30, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
Urban loses again
He took over the worst team in the NFL and learned that there isn't as much parity as he thought.
"It's like playing Alabama every week"
Alabama couldn't compete reasonably with any modern NFL team, even the worst ones.
Especially if Bama had to follow NFL roster rules: 53 man roster. Salary cap. Limited Practice Squad. Actually paying the talented players. Annual Rookie Draft with a selection order the inverse of previous season records/standings.
Quote from: webny99 on October 01, 2021, 08:06:13 AM
Still an OK performance by the Jaguars, as they led for the entire game even though they lost. That last drive by the Bengals was clinical. You'd think they'd been doing it for 50 years.
Jags should have let Uzomah score on that Zero Blitz catch inside 2 minutes. With only 1 TO remaining, tackling him at the 21 yard line was a self-inflicted wound, as a fresh set of downs at that field position inside the 2MW is suicidal when the game score is Tied
Let him run into the EZ and score, and at least the Jags and Trevor get the ball back with about a 1:10 on the clock or so
So far, Urban is playing checkers. He might figure it out, maybe
Poor TO management in the 2nd Half matters in the NFL. Taking a Delay of Game in the 3rd Qtr is worth having TOs later in the game
So how long until he fakes a heart attack and moves down to an easier conference?
Again.
Quote from: SP Cook on October 01, 2021, 09:18:56 AM
So how long until he fakes a heart attack and moves down to an easier conference?
Again.
He should try coaching UMass football and see if he can win with our joke of a team.
WE WON OMG
What a day of college football:
Alabama loses for the first time in almost 2 years to Texas A&M
Oklahoma comes back to beat Texas in a thriller shootout
Ole Miss beats Arkansas on a missed 2-pt conversion with no time left on the clock
Iowa beats Penn State...barely
Michigan holds on to beat Nebraska in a close one
Wake Forest beats Syracuse in overtime
Georgia Tech wins
Utah upsets USC for their first win ever at the Coliseum
BYU loses
Even now UCLA-Arizona is looking close. Today was probably the best CFB day we've seen in years and more than makes up for the boring games we had last night.
Arkansas-Ole Miss, OU-Texas, PSU-Iowa, and Bama-A&M. That's four instant classics on the same day. I can't remember a day of college football like that.
Iowa is going to ruin the postgame field storm. The students should have been reminded beforehand that Iowa was the higher ranked team going in, and favored by 1.5. Storming the field should be reserved for only the biggest of upsets, otherwise it becomes watered-down. Unranked Texas A&M beating #1 Bama? Now that's a proper field storm game.
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
Iowa is going to ruin the postgame field storm. The students should have been reminded beforehand that Iowa was the higher ranked team going in, and favored by 1.5. Storming the field should be reserved for only the biggest of upsets, otherwise it becomes watered-down. Unranked Texas A&M beating #1 Bama? Now that's a proper field storm game.
When is the last time Iowa has been a premier team in the country and beat another premier team in a close game though?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
Iowa is going to ruin the postgame field storm. The students should have been reminded beforehand that Iowa was the higher ranked team going in, and favored by 1.5. Storming the field should be reserved for only the biggest of upsets, otherwise it becomes watered-down. Unranked Texas A&M beating #1 Bama? Now that's a proper field storm game.
When is the last time Iowa has been a premier team in the country and beat another premier team in a close game though?
Doesn't matter. They are a premier team now, and they beat a team that they had a better than 50% chance to beat.
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
Iowa is going to ruin the postgame field storm. The students should have been reminded beforehand that Iowa was the higher ranked team going in, and favored by 1.5. Storming the field should be reserved for only the biggest of upsets, otherwise it becomes watered-down. Unranked Texas A&M beating #1 Bama? Now that's a proper field storm game.
When is the last time Iowa has been a premier team in the country and beat another premier team in a close game though?
Doesn't matter. They are a premier team now, and they beat a team that they had a better than 50% chance to beat.
The last time Iowa was in the top 5 and playing against a team that was also in the top 5 was December 5, 2015, when they lost to Michigan State 16—13. The time before that was during the Orange Bowl on January 2, 2003, when they lost to USC 38—17. The time before that was October 19, 1985, when they beat Michigan 12—10.
I put in a full 12 hours of non-stop college football viewing yesterday.
Most of Oklahoma-Texas
Ending of Wake Forest-Syracuse
Ending of Ole Miss-Arkansas
Most of Iowa-Penn State
All of Notre Dame-Virginia Tech
End of Michigan-Nebraska
End of Texas A&M-Alabama
About a quarter of UCLA-Arizona, just to decompress and come down off the adrenaline rush before I could go to bed.
One of the most remarkable days of college football I can remember.
UC Davis has a transitive win over Alabama now, and definitely should be in the discussion for January :-)
Also, here's The Ohio State University marching band with a Rush medley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTRluWPw08M
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 10, 2021, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
Iowa is going to ruin the postgame field storm. The students should have been reminded beforehand that Iowa was the higher ranked team going in, and favored by 1.5. Storming the field should be reserved for only the biggest of upsets, otherwise it becomes watered-down. Unranked Texas A&M beating #1 Bama? Now that's a proper field storm game.
When is the last time Iowa has been a premier team in the country and beat another premier team in a close game though?
Doesn't matter. They are a premier team now, and they beat a team that they had a better than 50% chance to beat.
The last time Iowa was in the top 5 and playing against a team that was also in the top 5 was December 5, 2015, when they lost to Michigan State 16—13. The time before that was during the Orange Bowl on January 2, 2003, when they lost to USC 38—17. The time before that was October 19, 1985, when they beat Michigan 12—10.
Hence why I would tend to give the Iowa fan base some slack. They are still tracking way behind the likes of Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and kinda even Wisconsin in terms of common relevance in the Big Ten. I would more or less rate them on the same level as something like Michigan State. They can field Top 25 teams consistently but rarely compete as a Top 10/premier team in the country.
Iowa this year reminds me a lot of the Les Miles-led LSU teams of the 2000s and early 2010s. Great defense, relies on turnovers to flip the field and score, mediocre offense. But the closest analogue to that 2011 LSU team this year is Georgia. Both teams played a close slugfest against another good team and demolished everyone else. I think this is Georgia's year. My new Top 25:
1. Georgia
2. Iowa
3. Cincinnati
4. Oklahoma
5. Ohio State
6. Alabama
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Penn State
10. Oregon
11. Ole Miss
12. Kentucky
13. Oklahoma State
14. Notre Dame
15. Coastal Carolina
16. Arizona State
17. Arkansas
18. Wake Forest
19. BYU
20. Texas A&M
21. Florida
22. NC State
23. San Diego State
24. SMU
25. Baylor
Everybody has Ohio State ranked ahead of Oregon. They played each other and Oregon won. Why even bother scheduling difficult non-conference games if you aren't going to get credit for winning them?
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2021, 06:12:07 PM
Everybody has Ohio State ranked ahead of Oregon. They played each other and Oregon won. Why even bother scheduling difficult non-conference games if you aren't going to get credit for winning them?
Since the Oregon game, Ohio State has whooped pretty much everyone they played. Oregon hasn't dominated like that since that game and lost to an average Stanford team. Sometimes, like in golf, the bad losses hurt you more than the good wins help you.
Here's another Top 25 and a couple scenarios for the CFP:
1. Georgia
2. Cincinnati
3. Oklahoma
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Michigan
7. Michigan State
8. Penn State
9. Oklahoma State
10. Oregon
11. Iowa
12. Ole Miss
13. Notre Dame
14. Coastal Carolina
15. Kentucky
16. Wake Forest
17. Baylor
18. Auburn
19. NC State
20. Pittsburgh
21. Texas A&M
22. SMU
23. UTSA
24. San Diego State
25. Utah
CFP Scenarios:
What I Likely Think Will Happen
Georgia wins out and blows out Alabama in the SEC title game, becoming the 1 seed. Oklahoma and Cincinnati also win out. The fourth seed is filled by the winner of the Big 10, likely Ohio State.
1. Georgia 2. Oklahoma 3. Cincinnati 4. Ohio State
Nearly every College Football Fan's Nightmare
Alabama and Georgia both win out, with Alabama beating Georgia in the SEC title game. Oklahoma and Ohio State win out, leaving undefeated Cincinnati without a playoff spot.
1. Oklahoma 2. Alabama 3. Ohio State 4. Georgia
Complete (but entirely possible) Chaos
Alabama loses to Auburn in the Iron Bowl, putting Ole Miss into the SEC title game. There they beat a 1-loss Georgia team who lost to Missouri earlier in the year. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State play on two consecutive weekends. Oklahoma State loses the first game (a #1 vs #2 "game of the century") at home, but they win in the Big 12 Championship game, giving them a playoff berth. The Big 10 completely shreds itself apart, resulting in no team with less than two losses from that conference. Meanwhile, Cincinnati and Wake Forest have quietly won out their respective conferences, leaving the playoff picture like this:
1. Cincinnati 2. Ole Miss 3. Oklahoma State 4. Wake Forest
Cincinnati is for real. They are no more than a touchdown underdogs to anybody except Georgia.
I like the Complete Chaos deal...LOL! Pandemic football has made for so many unexpected results.
Rick
For the first time since I knew what Purdue was, we are ranked. I don't know how to handle this. Tell your kids about number 25 Purdue before it's too late.
My Week 8 CFB rankings:
1. Georgia
2. Cincinnati
3. Alabama
4. Oklahoma
5. Michigan
6. Ohio State
7. Michigan State
8. Oregon
9. Ole Miss
10. Iowa
11. Pittsburgh
12. Wake Forest
13. Notre Dame
14. Kentucky
15. Baylor
16. Oklahoma State
17. Texas A&M
18. SMU
19. Iowa State
20. Auburn
21. San Diego State
22. UTSA
23. Coastal Carolina
24. Penn State
25. Louisiana
My thoughts on each conference:
AAC
3 great teams, 8 bad/mediocre teams. SMU vs. Houston this week will be interesting to watch to see who gets to play heir apparent to Cincinnati.
ACC
To me, Wake Forest and Pittsburgh are the most intriguing teams in college football this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them win out and face each other for the ACC title and potentially a spot in the playoff. At the same time I bet we'll see at least 3 ranked ACC teams by the end of the year. Clemson's defense is still top-tier and Virginia is somewhat underrated. NC State will fall apart as the season goes on, though.
Big 12
I think this is the best overall conference this year. Every team here can compete in any game on any given day. I'm skeptical that Oklahoma will remain undefeated, and I think the other 3 ranked teams are pretty legit.
Big 10
It seems to me like the Big 10 title will be decided by the Ohio State/Michigan/Michigan State round robin later this year. I don't think Iowa can touch the winner in the title game. Michigan and Michigan State both have a lot to prove with this next game. Penn State, Purdue, and Indiana are overrated.
C-USA
West >>> East. Just sayin'.
MAC
Once again, West >>> East. I don't get it.
Mountain West
Lots of decent teams, but I don't see a standout here. SDSU will likely lose soon, possibly this week. Colorado State is the hardest team to figure out in college football.
PAC-12
I'm still not sold on Oregon. UCLA, Utah, Oregon State, and Arizona State seem good, until they're not.
SEC
So far it seems like a down year for them. Georgia is incredible, though. The SEC West is very balanced; the loser might only finish at 5-7 or 6-6, but the East is horrendous outside of Georgia and Kentucky.
Sun Belt
I think this conference could reach 3 ranked teams at some point this year.
Okay, the CFP rankings are officially out, and I hate them.
Here's the top 10 according to the CFP committee:
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Michigan State
4. Oregon
5. Ohio State
6. Cincinnati
7. Michigan
8. Oklahoma
9. Wake Forest
10. Notre Dame
Why on earth is Alabama number 2? I know they're really good, but they beat Florida by 2. Georgia beat them by 27. And I'm an SEC fan. And why is Cincinnati at number 6? At this rate, with SMU losing to Houston, Cincy is going to have an awful time rising up the ranks any further, even if they win out. Plus I don't think Oregon merits being number 4.
Here's my alternate rankings:
1. Georgia
2. Cincinnati
3. Michigan State
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Oregon
8. Notre Dame
9. Wake Forest
10. Michigan
11. Baylor
12. Oklahoma State
13. Auburn
14. Texas A&M
15. UTSA
16. BYU
17. Ole Miss
18. Houston
19. Kentucky
20. Iowa
21. Coastal Carolina
22. Louisiana
23. Fresno State
24. SMU
25. Minnesota
The committee is big on strength of schedule and some of the advanced metrics. Alabama's SOS is 13 and they're in the Top 4 in Strength of Record, Game Control, offensive and defensive efficiency, with Georgia being the only other team to do the same. Cincinnati's SOS is 100, Game Control is 11th, offensive efficiency is 23rd.
At the end of the day, Alabama either finishes 12-1 by beating Georgia in the SEC championship and is an obvious top 2 team anyway, or they lose a 2nd game either to Georgia or before that and is out of the top 4 anyway.
Cincinnati, assuming they go 13-0, with a conference championship, is not getting passed over by a 2-loss team that isn't a conference champion.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 02, 2021, 10:10:02 PM
Cincinnati, assuming they go 13-0, with a conference championship, is not getting passed over by a 2-loss team that isn't a conference champion.
You will eat those words :|
Well, this is going exactly like last year. Cincinnati gets "dIsReSpEcTeD" by the committee because they "dEsErVe" to be in the Playoff. Yeah, tough reality: not all the teams that "dEsErVe" to make it can actually make it. My top 4 right now is Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan State. Why? Those are the four best teams in the country and I would pick those four to beat anyone who is not in my top 4. I don't have as much of an issue with a lot of people saying Cincy should be above Michigan State - I think that could go either way - as I do with people saying that Cincy should be above Ohio State and Alabama. OSU won by 47 against a team that Cincy beat by 14. I know that MSU only beat Indiana by 5 - but MSU has also played more than one good team. And for some reason people are still acting like Alabama's loss to A&M is the equivalent of them losing to some FCS team - as if A&M is not ranked in the top 15 (and Bama lost by only a field goal ("on the road" , as they say, which really doesn't matter much but a lot of people think it does)).
At the end of the day, I want Cincinnati in the Playoff. So that Ohio State or Alabama can beat them by at least three touchdowns and end the whining.
Generally the comeback to this is "well they're undefeated, don't they dEsErVe to be ranked in the top 4?" Well then, doesn't Wake Forest dEsErVe to be ranked in the top 4? What about UTSA? What about the Division III Wisconsin-Whitewater Warhawks, who are 8-0? They're undefeated, so they must dEsErVe it, right?
Nonsense. The top 4 teams need to be ranked in the top 4, and the top 4 teams need to make the Playoff. The highest Cincinnati should be is #4. They don't dEsErVe to be #2 because they are not the second best team in the country.
It's not just that Alabama lost to A&M. It's that they barely beat Florida who isn't very good. I think this problem will fix itself as Alabama will either lost to LSU and/or Auburn and not even make the SEC championship game or make it and get blown out by Georgia and they'll be out.
Cincinnati's defense is real. They can't control how weak their conference schedule it. I'd put MSU ahead of OSU right now, but they play in a couple weeks so that will sort itself out.
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
I cringe at #12 Auburn, but they did beat Ole Miss and Arkansas, and I don't want to penalize them heavily for losing to Georgia. Four consecutive teams from the same division from #11 to #14 is unheard of. I don't think there's much separation between them.
Then there's the mess of Penn State, Wisconsin, and Iowa, all of whom have a 1-1 record in games against each other. I gave PSU the edge because of their OOC win over Auburn, and the fact that their record is deflated compared to the others because they're the only one of the three that has played Ohio State.
It seems to me like the same people who scream at the CFP for being "biased towards the power 5" are also the ones who have been ranking Wake Forest in the top 10, with their reasoning being "they're an undefeated power 5 team". As far as I'm concerned, this year it's the Power 3 - SEC, Big Ten, Big 12. The ACC is downright terrible this year. It is a power 5 conference; that doesn't always mean it's a good conference. The highest Wake has been in my rankings (which I've done every week this season) is #15.
Do common opponents not matter for you? Notre Dame beat Purdue by 14 and Michigan State lost to Purdue by 11.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2021, 08:33:25 AM
Do common opponents not matter for you? Notre Dame beat Purdue by 14 and Michigan State lost to Purdue by 11.
Common opponents matter; it's not the only thing that matters. MSU's resume is much better than Notre Dame's.
Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
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Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
There are plenty of people out there who think that a top 25 ranking should primarily sort by record, or head-to-head, or sheer strength of record, etc. . . . I'm not one of those people. My sole rationale is rank the 25 best teams in order from 1st best to 25th best. All of those other factors are considered, of course. But right now based on everything that has happened this season (i.e. not just one game), I am concluding that Ohio State is the 3rd best team and Oregon is 6th best. If head-to-head is the only thing that matters, then Texas A&M would be above Alabama, and Purdue would be above Michigan State.
I get the general thought process, but its even more the reason I prefer the action on Sundays than the Saturday popularity contests for Committee Members and Pollsters
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Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
There are plenty of people out there who think that a top 25 ranking should primarily sort by record, or head-to-head, or sheer strength of record, etc. . . . I'm not one of those people. My sole rationale is rank the 25 best teams in order from 1st best to 25th best. All of those other factors are considered, of course. But right now based on everything that has happened this season (i.e. not just one game), I am concluding that Ohio State is the 3rd best team and Oregon is 6th best. If head-to-head is the only thing that matters, then Texas A&M would be above Alabama, and Purdue would be above Michigan State.
Ranking who is best, or who would win hypothetical matchups against other teams diminishes the actual games that have been played. Head to head should matter a lot, especially when comparing 1-loss teams. As teams accumulate other losses, head-to-head becomes less important. espn.com publishes a metric called "Strength of record" which ranks how hard it is to have a team's record against their schedule. Oklahoma is 2nd and Cincinnati is 4th in SOR because it's really hard to go undefeated, even against a less challenging schedule. ND has a better SOR than MSU or Michigan. Oregon has a higher SOR than Ohio State. A high ranking is something that should be earned on the field, not just awarded because you have the most talent.
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Quote from: ilpt4u on November 07, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
There are plenty of people out there who think that a top 25 ranking should primarily sort by record, or head-to-head, or sheer strength of record, etc. . . . I'm not one of those people. My sole rationale is rank the 25 best teams in order from 1st best to 25th best. All of those other factors are considered, of course. But right now based on everything that has happened this season (i.e. not just one game), I am concluding that Ohio State is the 3rd best team and Oregon is 6th best. If head-to-head is the only thing that matters, then Texas A&M would be above Alabama, and Purdue would be above Michigan State.
Ranking who is best, or who would win hypothetical matchups against other teams diminishes the actual games that have been played.
I don't care. It's a top 25 ranking, not a hype commercial.
QuoteA high ranking is something that should be earned on the field, not just awarded because you have the most talent.
Have you watched any of Ohio State's other 8 games? And I'm not just awarding teams good rankings because they have talent; Cincinnati is definitely not the 4th most talented team in the country, but they are the 4th best IMO.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2021, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 07, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
There are plenty of people out there who think that a top 25 ranking should primarily sort by record, or head-to-head, or sheer strength of record, etc. . . . I'm not one of those people. My sole rationale is rank the 25 best teams in order from 1st best to 25th best. All of those other factors are considered, of course. But right now based on everything that has happened this season (i.e. not just one game), I am concluding that Ohio State is the 3rd best team and Oregon is 6th best. If head-to-head is the only thing that matters, then Texas A&M would be above Alabama, and Purdue would be above Michigan State.
Ranking who is best, or who would win hypothetical matchups against other teams diminishes the actual games that have been played.
I don't care. It's a top 25 ranking, not a hype commercial.
QuoteA high ranking is something that should be earned on the field, not just awarded because you have the most talent.
Have you watched any of Ohio State's other 8 games? And I'm not just awarding teams good rankings because they have talent; Cincinnati is definitely not the 4th most talented team in the country, but they are the 4th best IMO.
Yesterday I watched a game where Ohio State won thanks to a missed, very blatant, pass interference that stopped Nebraska's winning drive, while Oregon absolutely shut down Washington's offense in a hostile environment.
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Quote from: ilpt4u on November 07, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: thspfc on November 07, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
I'll share my top 25 ballot this week because I have a feeling it is very controversial.
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Cincinnati
5. Oklahoma
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Michigan
9. Oklahoma State
10. Notre Dame
11. Texas A&M
12. Auburn
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
15. Penn State
16. Wisconsin
17. Iowa
18. Baylor
19. Iowa State
20. Wake Forest
21. BYU
22. Purdue
23. UTSA
24. Kansas State
25. San Diego State
The Ducks went to the "˜Shoe and beat the Buckeyes, but #3 Ohio State and #6 Oregon? Yeah, that really places importance on Head-to-Head contests, there. Especially when it was the Road Underdog Ducks that won that game
I don't follow CFB that closely, but the whole ridiculousness of the Committee and the Rankings is just dumber and dumber when undefeated teams, even if from a Group of 5 Conference, are not even included in the Top 25
At least at the NFL level, when 2 teams have the same record, Head-to-Head is the #1 tiebreaker, as it should be. You literally already settled the result on the field
There are plenty of people out there who think that a top 25 ranking should primarily sort by record, or head-to-head, or sheer strength of record, etc. . . . I'm not one of those people. My sole rationale is rank the 25 best teams in order from 1st best to 25th best. All of those other factors are considered, of course. But right now based on everything that has happened this season (i.e. not just one game), I am concluding that Ohio State is the 3rd best team and Oregon is 6th best. If head-to-head is the only thing that matters, then Texas A&M would be above Alabama, and Purdue would be above Michigan State.
Ranking who is best, or who would win hypothetical matchups against other teams diminishes the actual games that have been played.
I don't care. It's a top 25 ranking, not a hype commercial.
QuoteA high ranking is something that should be earned on the field, not just awarded because you have the most talent.
Have you watched any of Ohio State's other 8 games? And I'm not just awarding teams good rankings because they have talent; Cincinnati is definitely not the 4th most talented team in the country, but they are the 4th best IMO.
Yesterday I watched a game where Ohio State won thanks to a missed, very blatant, pass interference that stopped Nebraska's winning drive, while Oregon absolutely shut down Washington's offense in a hostile environment.
Huh. Interesting, because yesterday I saw Ohio State play what was their third worst game of the season, and still win by the same margin as Oregon did - against a Nebraska team that is better than the Washington team that Oregon beat (common opponents matter a lot to you, Nebraska lost to Michigan by 3, Washington lost to Michigan by 21).
With the Josh Allen game having taken place, I'm thinking back to other names that have been used by two players in the same season over the years. There's Steve Smith, Brandon Marshall, Todd Collins, and a few others...who else am I missing?
Quote from: Henry on November 09, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
With the Josh Allen game having taken place, I'm thinking back to other names that have been used by two players in the same season over the years. There's Steve Smith, Brandon Marshall, Todd Collins, and a few others...who else am I missing?
Adrian Peterson.
Chris
Calling it now, end of season top 4:
1. Georgia
2. Oregon (still can't figure out the Stanford loss... they're not losing to anyone else though.)
3. Michigan (if they had NFL-quality replay officials, Michigan beat MSU. They won't lose to tOSU this year, but MSU will.)
4. Cincinnati (their defense should win out... and as long as the offense stays ahead -- and at least they beat Tulane by 8. Beating one-loss Houston in the AAC championship will matter. Oklahoma barely managed winning by 5). Good luck staying undefeated against UGa, Cincy!!
The next 4:
5. Notre Dame (wins out, but lost to Cincinnati, so there.)
6. Oklahoma (loses a couple, still gets XII championship game but 2 losses)
7. Ohio State (loses to Michigan, beats MSU)
8. Michigan State (loses to OSU, too bad y'all also lost to Purdue or you'd win your division tiebreaker with Michigan!)
I'll go with . . .
1) Alabama (12-1)
2) Georgia (12-1, close loss to Alabama)
3) Ohio State (12-1)
4) Oklahoma (13-0)
5) Cincinnati (13-0)
6) Texas A&M (10-2)
7) Oregon (11-2)
8) Notre Dame (11-1)
9) Michigan (10-2)
10) Michigan State (10-2)
I think Oregon is going to slip up again. Michigan is not beating OSU. Neither is Michigan State. Oklahoma's resume has a lot of room to grow with Iowa State, Baylor, OK State, and the Big 12 title game left on the schedule, whereas Cincy has looked shaky against bad teams recently and doesn't have many quality opponents left.
I will also take Penn State to beat Michigan State. By the rankings, that would be an upset, by the point spread, it would not be. There's been a lot of those in college football this year.
I'd put a significant amount of money on Alabama not winning the SEC Championship
Georgia, Big Ten winner, Oregon, and we'll see. Alabama loss and Cincinnati is next in line...
Cincinnati and its league's idiot commissioner have been spewing idiocy, in direct contradiction to the contract IT SIGNED, about this "Power 6" and "UCF really won the 17 championship, the playoffs don't matter" and other such nonsense.
And NOW it wants to cry and complain about being left out of a playoff, its own commissioner said didn't matter just 4 years ago.
Doesn't work that way.
UC might join a LONG LINE of mid-majors that went undefeated. Hopefully it won't join only UCF in making an ass out of itself in doing so.
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Cincinnati and its league's idiot commissioner have been spewing idiocy, in direct contradiction to the contract IT SIGNED, about this "Power 6" and "UCF really won the 17 championship, the playoffs don't matter" and other such nonsense.
And NOW it wants to cry and complain about being left out of a playoff, its own commissioner said didn't matter just 4 years ago.
Doesn't work that way.
UC might join a LONG LINE of mid-majors that went undefeated. Hopefully it won't join only UCF in making an ass out of itself in doing so.
People making this a power 5 vs. group of 5 issue are conveniently ignoring how two power 5 undefeated teams, Wake Forest and Oklahoma, BOTH of whom had played stronger schedules than Cincinnati up to that point, were behind Cincinnati in the first CFP rankings. The should already debunk the narrative that the CFP is forcing Alabama/Ohio State/Oklahoma/Clemson (irrelevant) on us, but if it doesn't, the fact that fans are obviously getting sick and tired of the same teams at the top over and over again should show that there is no incentive for the CFP to favor those teams. I too want to see different teams in the Playoff. The difference is I want to see it happen fairly, whereas your average basic college football fan wants teams who play weak schedules and go undefeated against them, but are clearly not one of the four best teams.
I will give credit to Cincinnati, because they are trying. They had Indiana and Notre Dame, both away games, on their nonconference schedule this year. Indiana has been pretty bad which is unlucky for them, but at least they made a clear effort to get top programs on the schedule.
Spare me with the group of 5 teams who schedule Northwestern Southeast Carolina State Tech, Kentucky Gulf Coast University, Butte Community College, and Bishop Sycamore out of conference, and then complain about being dIsReSpEcTeD. (Cough, Coastal Carolina, cough)
If you're a group of 5 program who wants a shot at the Playoff, you can do one of two things (in addition to playing well and going 13-0 which is easier said than done):
1. move to a better conference
2. fill your nonconference slate with as many solid power 5 teams as you can. You might get embarrassed, but if you want to make the Playoff, that's a risk you have to take.
Cam's back with the Panthers! :clap: :clap:
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Quote from: SP Cook on November 11, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
Cincinnati and its league's idiot commissioner have been spewing idiocy, in direct contradiction to the contract IT SIGNED, about this "Power 6" and "UCF really won the 17 championship, the playoffs don't matter" and other such nonsense.
And NOW it wants to cry and complain about being left out of a playoff, its own commissioner said didn't matter just 4 years ago.
Doesn't work that way.
UC might join a LONG LINE of mid-majors that went undefeated. Hopefully it won't join only UCF in making an ass out of itself in doing so.
People making this a power 5 vs. group of 5 issue are conveniently ignoring how two power 5 undefeated teams, Wake Forest and Oklahoma, BOTH of whom had played stronger schedules than Cincinnati up to that point, were behind Cincinnati in the first CFP rankings. The should already debunk the narrative that the CFP is forcing Alabama/Ohio State/Oklahoma/Clemson (irrelevant) on us, but if it doesn't, the fact that fans are obviously getting sick and tired of the same teams at the top over and over again should show that there is no incentive for the CFP to favor those teams. I too want to see different teams in the Playoff. The difference is I want to see it happen fairly, whereas your average basic college football fan wants teams who play weak schedules and go undefeated against them, but are clearly not one of the four best teams.
I will give credit to Cincinnati, because they are trying. They had Indiana and Notre Dame, both away games, on their nonconference schedule this year. Indiana has been pretty bad which is unlucky for them, but at least they made a clear effort to get top programs on the schedule.
Spare me with the group of 5 teams who schedule Northwestern Southeast Carolina State Tech, Kentucky Gulf Coast University, Butte Community College, and Bishop Sycamore out of conference, and then complain about being dIsReSpEcTeD. (Cough, Coastal Carolina, cough)
If you're a group of 5 program who wants a shot at the Playoff, you can do one of two things (in addition to playing well and going 13-0 which is easier said than done):
1. move to a better conference
2. fill your nonconference slate with as many solid power 5 teams as you can. You might get embarrassed, but if you want to make the Playoff, that's a risk you have to take.
There's a metric that exists to balance being undefeated against strength of schedule. It's called strength of record. It ranks teams based on how difficult it is to achieve their record against their schedule.
Oklahoma ranks 2nd and Cincinnati 4th in SOR, because going undefeated is very difficult, even against a mediocre schedule. Even UTSA is 10th.
There's really no good reason Ohio State is in the Top 4. Their best win is against unranked Penn State, when undefeated Cincinnati has beaten #9 Notre Dame and even Notre Dame has beaten ranked teams Wisconsin and Purdue.
I've also watched Cincinnati play a couple times. They dominated Notre Dame at ND, who hadn't lost a home game since Georgia in 2017, and this is a ND team that handled two ranked Big Ten teams fairly easily. I wouldn't make Cincinnati more than a 7 point underdog to anybody except Georgia, and I'd make everybody a double digit underdog to Georgia. I think there's a decent chance Alabama doesn't even make the SEC Championship game, but if they do they'll get blown away.
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There's a reason they're currently, what, 8th? while being undefeated. If you've watched them play, you know they're not that good. Hell, my boys from KU took a lead into the 4th quarter against them and we've only won one game.
Chris
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There's a reason they're currently, what, 8th? while being undefeated. If you've watched them play, you know they're not that good. Hell, my boys from KU took a lead into the 4th quarter against them and we've only won one game.
Chris
They also still have to play Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and then one of those teams again. If they go 3-1 in that stretch, with a conference championship, there's no chance they're ranked below any 2-loss non-champion. Zero. I'd bet any amount of money on it.
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There's a reason they're currently, what, 8th? while being undefeated. If you've watched them play, you know they're not that good. Hell, my boys from KU took a lead into the 4th quarter against them and we've only won one game.
Chris
They also still have to play Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and then one of those teams again. If they go 3-1 in that stretch, with a conference championship, there's no chance they're ranked below any 2-loss non-champion. Zero. I'd bet any amount of money on it.
I think our discussion is probably moot as they could very easily lose two of those games.
Chris
Cam Newton is heading back to Charlotte.
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-agree-to-terms-with-cam-newton (https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-agree-to-terms-with-cam-newton)
Cincinnati's last four games:
27-20 vs Navy (2-8)
31-12 vs Tulane (1-8)
28-20 vs Tulsa (3-6)
45-28 vs USF (2-8)
It's been really sloppy. Their games against simply terrible opponents have been too close in the first half. This team is not better than Alabama or Ohio State. For that reason, they do not dEsErVe to be ranked above either of those teams. You can say that OSU and Bama played close last week against Nebraska and LSU; Nebraska and LSU, while not great, are miles better than the teams that Cincinnati has been struggling to beat for the last month.
Before you complain about being dIsReSpEcTeD, win by a lot in the games that you're supposed to win by a lot.
I know it's a rarity for FCS (1-AA) teams to beat FBS (1-A) teams.
Even more rare for one to be the favorite... on the road...
And cover by 20 points...
Kudos to UMass for being on the losing side of this one, https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401286304
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There's a reason they're currently, what, 8th? while being undefeated. If you've watched them play, you know they're not that good. Hell, my boys from KU took a lead into the 4th quarter against them and we've only won one game.
Chris
They also still have to play Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and then one of those teams again. If they go 3-1 in that stretch, with a conference championship, there's no chance they're ranked below any 2-loss non-champion. Zero. I'd bet any amount of money on it.
I think our discussion is probably moot as they could very easily lose two of those games.
Chris
One down, one to go.
Chris
UConn, one of the worst 1-A teams, visited Clemson in a "body bag" game. The Win Probability Chart for UConn peaked at 1.2%. However...
They did take the opening kickoff 99 yards to the end zone for a quick 7-0 lead, and they held on to that lead for almost 12 minutes. Those were the only points they would score. Their total offense for the game was the same as that 99-yard run.
Final: 44-7. https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401282684
Ohio State 56-7 Michigan State
Utah 38-7 Oregon
Turns out, a tight game from week 2 doesn't justify refusing to believe your eyes for two months thereafter.
Quote from: thspfc on November 20, 2021, 10:56:53 PM
Ohio State 56-7 Michigan State
Utah 38-7 Oregon
Turns out, a tight game from week 2 doesn't justify refusing to believe your eyes for two months thereafter.
Precisely.
HARBAUGH BEAT OHIO
THE WORLD IS ENDING
Quote from: Alps on November 27, 2021, 04:37:35 PM
HARBAUGH BEAT OHIO
THE WORLD IS ENDING
I'm fine with letting the world burn.
And Minnesota beats Wisconsin at home for the first time in 18 years.
Looks like we could have Auburn and Wake Forest in the Gator Bowl. I'll be there if that happens.
EDIT: Even if it doesn't, I may still go.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 27, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
And Minnesota beats Wisconsin at home for the first time in 18 years.
Disappointing season for Wisconsin. The Badgers need to get the right quarterback sometime. Year after year it's proven that in modern college football, running the ball alone doesn't get you very far. You absolutely have to be able to consistently complete mid-range and downfield passes in order to contend for a premier conference title/Playoff berth.
I don't understand the notion that Paul Chryst can have the Wisconsin job as long as he wants to no matter what. He inherited a program that typically finished with 2-4 losses each season, and he is averaging 3.3 losses per season, including half-length 2020. With the amount of talent that Wisconsin has relative to the other teams in the west - significantly more than everyone except for Iowa and occasionally Minnesota - I would not be surprised if Chryst's seat warms up a little by this time next year.
It would be really nice to watch a team that you actually have an ounce of faith in when they are losing. Or when they need to pick up a first down on 3rd and more than 6 yards. But with no passing game, that's not the reality right now.
Quote from: thspfc on November 20, 2021, 10:56:53 PM
Ohio State 56-7 Michigan State
Utah 38-7 Oregon
Turns out, a tight game from week 2 doesn't justify refusing to believe your eyes for two months thereafter.
Turns out it never really mattered.
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Quote from: CoreySamson on November 11, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
My predictions for the top 10 at the end of the year:
1. Georgia (13-0)
2. Ohio State (12-1)
3. Oklahoma (12-1)
4. Cincinnati (13-0)
5. Alabama (10-2)
6. Notre Dame (11-1)
7. Oregon (11-2)
8. Texas A&M (10-2)
9. Michigan State (10-2)
10. Oklahoma State (10-2)
I think Oregon's win against Ohio State was partially a fluke; Ohio State has a point differential of 233 and Oregon has one of 113 against what I would consider a similar schedule. I get the feeling that Oregon will lose to Utah, either in 2 weeks or in the conference championship. I predict Oklahoma will lose a regular season game but win in the conference championship. If Cincinnati loses and Oklahoma doesn't win the Big 12 championship, then I think Notre Dame has a real chance to crash the playoff.
If Oklahoma loses in a down Big 12, Alabama will jump them even if they do get a second loss, assuming it isn't a blowout or to New Mexico State this weekend.
Chris
If Oklahoma is a 12-1 conference champion, they absolutely get ranked higher than a non-champion Alabama. So does a 12-1 Oregon.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There's a reason they're currently, what, 8th? while being undefeated. If you've watched them play, you know they're not that good. Hell, my boys from KU took a lead into the 4th quarter against them and we've only won one game.
Chris
They also still have to play Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and then one of those teams again. If they go 3-1 in that stretch, with a conference championship, there's no chance they're ranked below any 2-loss non-champion. Zero. I'd bet any amount of money on it.
I think our discussion is probably moot as they could very easily lose two of those games.
Chris
One down, one to go.
Chris
Mmhmm.
Quote from: thspfc on November 27, 2021, 10:47:58 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 27, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
And Minnesota beats Wisconsin at home for the first time in 18 years.
Disappointing season for Wisconsin. The Badgers need to get the right quarterback sometime. Year after year it's proven that in modern college football, running the ball alone doesn't get you very far. You absolutely have to be able to consistently complete mid-range and downfield passes in order to contend for a premier conference title/Playoff berth.
I don't understand the notion that Paul Chryst can have the Wisconsin job as long as he wants to no matter what. He inherited a program that typically finished with 2-4 losses each season, and he is averaging 3.3 losses per season, including half-length 2020. With the amount of talent that Wisconsin has relative to the other teams in the west - significantly more than everyone except for Iowa and occasionally Minnesota - I would not be surprised if Chryst's seat warms up a little by this time next year.
It would be really nice to watch a team that you actually have an ounce of faith in when they are losing. Or when they need to pick up a first down on 3rd and more than 6 yards. But with no passing game, that's not the reality right now.
They showed some stats at the start of the season that Wisconsin's defense is second to only Alabama's over the last several years. You'd think they'd have no problem finding a not-shitty QB given that's almost legitimately all that keeps them from being CFP contenders year after year.
Well, this was a very exciting weekend of college football... even though most of the games I cared about didn’t go the way I wanted.
At least my Utes won. They’re headed for a rematch with Oregon next weekend in the Pac-12 championship, with a Rose Bowl spot on the line.
I swear if a 2 loss Alabama or Ohio State makes it in over undefeated Cincinnati CFB is rigged and I don't even care about Cincinatti
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Ohio State 56-7 Michigan State
Utah 38-7 Oregon
Turns out, a tight game from week 2 doesn't justify refusing to believe your eyes for two months thereafter.
Turns out it never really mattered.
You could've just accepted your L instead of trying to play it off . . .
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 28, 2021, 04:11:06 AM
I swear if a 2 loss Alabama or Ohio State makes it in over undefeated Cincinnati CFB is rigged and I don't even care about Cincinatti
That's not going to happen. What could happen is Oklahoma State, if they win the Big 12, jumping Cincy. Then, if Bama beats UGA and Michigan beats Iowa, it would be 1) Bama 2) Michigan 3) Georgia 4) OK State. That is the only way that I see an undefeated Cincinnati getting left out.
Whichever way you slice it, at least 3 of the 5 teams with multiple Playoff berths are out this year: Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma for sure, likely Notre Dame, and quite possibly Alabama. If Alabama loses by one possession to UGA, I think they should be in, as one of the clear four best teams in the country. If they lose by double digits then they should be out, barring chaos.
Ultimate chaos scenario:
- Georgia blows out Alabama
- Baylor beats OK State
- Iowa beats Michigan
- Houston beats Cincinnati
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
Whichever way you slice it, at least 3 of the 5 teams with multiple Playoff berths are out this year: Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma for sure, likely Notre Dame, and quite possibly Alabama. If Alabama loses by one possession to UGA, I think they should be in, as one of the clear four best teams in the country. If they lose by double digits then they should be out, barring chaos.
Ultimate chaos scenario:
- Georgia blows out Alabama
- Baylor beats OK State
- Iowa beats Michigan
- Houston beats Cincinnati
Alabama blew their chance to keep their spot with a loss to Georgia when they got super lucky to beat a mediocre Auburn team last night.
In your ultimate chaos scenario above, Georgia is #1, Notre Dame is #2, Baylor is #3, and maybe Alabama holds #4 over Michigan, and maybe even Oregon sneaks in if they beat Utah. The committee likes conference champions.
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 28, 2021, 04:11:06 AM
I swear if a 2 loss Alabama or Ohio State makes it in over undefeated Cincinnati CFB is rigged and I don't even care about Cincinatti
That's not going to happen. What could happen is Oklahoma State, if they win the Big 12, jumping Cincy. Then, if Bama beats UGA and Michigan beats Iowa, it would be 1) Bama 2) Michigan 3) Georgia 4) OK State. That is the only way that I see an undefeated Cincinnati getting left out.
Yeah, that's the only way a 13-0 Cincinnati gets left out, and even then I think it's very close with Oklahoma State.
Going 13-0 is really hard to do. Even if your schedule isn't that difficult, winning every game is still incredibly hard. There are a lot of teams in the AAC, CUSA, MWC, Sun Belt and MAC who had easy schedules and none of them other than Cincinnati managed to go 12-0.
After this week, here is how the top four should be:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
If Georgia/Alabama is close (with Georgia winning) and Michigan and Cincinnati both win, there's a chance that nothing changes next week. If Alabama beats Georgia next week (assuming Michigan and Cincinnati both win), here is how it could go:
1. Michigan
2. Alabama
3. Cincinnati
4. Georgia (Notre Dame could go here if the Fighting Elephants blow out Georgia)
Going 13-0 is impressive, even on a somewhat suspect schedule. Cincy does have an impressive win (at Notre Dame). UTSA (which was undefeated until getting blown out by North Texas yesterday) had a very soft schedule, and I feel that 3-9 Nebraska (with all nine losses by single digits) likely would've gone 12-0 on that schedule.
Quote from: ftballfan on November 28, 2021, 12:50:11 PM
After this week, here is how the top four should be:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
If Georgia/Alabama is close (with Georgia winning) and Michigan and Cincinnati both win, there's a chance that nothing changes next week. If Alabama beats Georgia next week (assuming Michigan and Cincinnati both win), here is how it could go:
1. Michigan
2. Alabama
3. Cincinnati
4. Georgia (Notre Dame could go here if the Fighting Elephants blow out Georgia)
Going 13-0 is impressive, even on a somewhat suspect schedule. Cincy does have an impressive win (at Notre Dame). UTSA (which was undefeated until getting blown out by North Texas yesterday) had a very soft schedule, and I feel that 3-9 Nebraska (with all nine losses by single digits) likely would've gone 12-0 on that schedule.
What if Georgia blows out Alabama
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
Whichever way you slice it, at least 3 of the 5 teams with multiple Playoff berths are out this year: Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma for sure, likely Notre Dame, and quite possibly Alabama. If Alabama loses by one possession to UGA, I think they should be in, as one of the clear four best teams in the country. If they lose by double digits then they should be out, barring chaos.
Ultimate chaos scenario:
- Georgia blows out Alabama
- Baylor beats OK State
- Iowa beats Michigan
- Houston beats Cincinnati
Auburn needed an absolute gift from an SEC officiating crew to beat Georgia State and they lost to Penn State. Needing 4 overtimes to beat them is not indicative of being clearly one of the four best teams in the country.
Georgia and Alabama have four common opponents. Georgia beat them by an average of 28.0 and Alabama beat them by an average of 9.75. Every team has a game here or there where they have a close call in a game they should have won easily, but a "clearly top 4" team doesn't have as many of them as Alabama has had.
Alabama has lost their margin of error when it comes to losing to Georgia. Even the closest of losses to Georgia should not keep them ahead of a 1-loss Michigan, 1-loss Oklahoma State, 0-loss Cincinnati, or 1-loss Notre Dame.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
Whichever way you slice it, at least 3 of the 5 teams with multiple Playoff berths are out this year: Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma for sure, likely Notre Dame, and quite possibly Alabama. If Alabama loses by one possession to UGA, I think they should be in, as one of the clear four best teams in the country. If they lose by double digits then they should be out, barring chaos.
Ultimate chaos scenario:
- Georgia blows out Alabama
- Baylor beats OK State
- Iowa beats Michigan
- Houston beats Cincinnati
Auburn needed an absolute gift from an SEC officiating crew to beat Georgia State and they lost to Penn State. Needing 4 overtimes to beat them is not indicative of being clearly one of the four best teams in the country.
Georgia and Alabama have four common opponents. Georgia beat them by an average of 28.0 and Alabama beat them by an average of 9.75. Every team has a game here or there where they have a close call in a game they should have won easily, but a "clearly top 4" team doesn't have as many of them as Alabama has had.
Alabama has lost their margin of error when it comes to losing to Georgia. Even the closest of losses to Georgia should not keep them ahead of a 1-loss Michigan, 1-loss Oklahoma State, 0-loss Cincinnati, or 1-loss Notre Dame.
But it will.
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on November 28, 2021, 04:11:06 AM
I swear if a 2 loss Alabama or Ohio State makes it in over undefeated Cincinnati CFB is rigged and I don't even care about Cincinatti
That's not going to happen. What could happen is Oklahoma State, if they win the Big 12, jumping Cincy. Then, if Bama beats UGA and Michigan beats Iowa, it would be 1) Bama 2) Michigan 3) Georgia 4) OK State. That is the only way that I see an undefeated Cincinnati getting left out.
That is also my feeling.
Quote from: jayhawkco on November 28, 2021, 02:27:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 28, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 28, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
Whichever way you slice it, at least 3 of the 5 teams with multiple Playoff berths are out this year: Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma for sure, likely Notre Dame, and quite possibly Alabama. If Alabama loses by one possession to UGA, I think they should be in, as one of the clear four best teams in the country. If they lose by double digits then they should be out, barring chaos.
Ultimate chaos scenario:
- Georgia blows out Alabama
- Baylor beats OK State
- Iowa beats Michigan
- Houston beats Cincinnati
Auburn needed an absolute gift from an SEC officiating crew to beat Georgia State and they lost to Penn State. Needing 4 overtimes to beat them is not indicative of being clearly one of the four best teams in the country.
Georgia and Alabama have four common opponents. Georgia beat them by an average of 28.0 and Alabama beat them by an average of 9.75. Every team has a game here or there where they have a close call in a game they should have won easily, but a "clearly top 4" team doesn't have as many of them as Alabama has had.
Alabama has lost their margin of error when it comes to losing to Georgia. Even the closest of losses to Georgia should not keep them ahead of a 1-loss Michigan, 1-loss Oklahoma State, 0-loss Cincinnati, or 1-loss Notre Dame.
But it will.
No it won't. OK State jumps Bama with a win, for example.
Everyone acts like the committee is sensible. They've proven many times that they're not.
Quote from: jayhawkco on November 28, 2021, 02:55:22 PM
Everyone acts like the committee is sensible. They've proven many times that they're not.
And that's why I don't follow the CFP. It's garbage. The process to choose four finalists for the Big Four bowl games has become so diluted. Yeah, it was exciting at first to see 'Bama in one of the Big Four bowl games. But year after year, after the NCAA put the CFP into motion in 2013, it's been nearly the same conclusions for the major D1 teams. It's Vegeta-like prestige. It's the AD's of the major schools pounding their Gaston-sized chest while showboating to the rest of the D1 universe declaring them inferior. Saban and Richt won't even give an FCS/1-AA team two scolding hot tusks even if it was a money grab. The CFP is not ideal in selecting the final four teams to compete in one of the Big Four bowl games. Yet, the NCAA is like "We don't care what you think. The CFP is king of college football post-seasons!" Oh, really? So teams like Bama, Georgia, LSU and Tennessee get the main course while others have to pick up the bread crumbs that ain't worth a decaying llama turd?! Sounds like we need to spice up the CFP. I'm not talking black peppering a few games here and there. No. Spice the CFP up to Carolina Reaper levels!
Well, if Notre Dame does make the playoff it will be with an interim coach.
There are two big reasons why the NFL is by far my favorite sports league to follow, despite football not being my favorite sport overall: 1) almost every single game matters, with the only exceptions being maybe a dozen late season games per year between teams that are already eliminated, and 2) there is more parity and year-to-year unpredictability than any other league in the world. That's to say, almost any team can realistically win the title at any time, and even the ones that can't are often just a year or two away from being in a position where they can (except for the Jets).
Suffice it to say, neither of those things are true about college football right now. As much as I dislike the notion of autobids in the sense that they could result in a mediocre team that won a bad conference getting into the playoff over a really good team that didn't win a great conference, autobids for winning a conference are the key to fixing college football. They would make the games matter. No longer would teams with two losses give up on the season.
Make it a 16 team playoff with autobids for all of the conference champions. That would do a lot in reversing the suicidal path that college football is going down.
Another thing that it needs is a central authority that has the final say over conference alignments and out of conference schedules.
UVA football made the big time. Sort of. Featured on C'Mon Man tonight. :ded:
Not knowing a ton about college football, would a 12-team playoff work, like the NFL playoffs used to be before last year?
Whichever 4 teams would be picked under the current rules would get first-round byes (so if they're as good as they purport to be, they should have a very easy path to the semi-finals), and that would give 8 more teams a chance to compete for the title. It would also provide two more rounds to the playoffs. The current format just seems like kind of a joke, with a lot of consternation and fan outrage almost every year only for a grand total of 3 playoff games to be played. Chances are, you'd have the same 4 semi-finalists most of the time anyways, but the path to get there would be both more exciting AND more fair... basically a no-brainer in my book.
Quote from: webny99 on November 29, 2021, 08:53:38 PM
Not knowing a ton about college football, would a 12-team playoff work, like the NFL playoffs used to be before last year?
Whichever 4 teams would be picked under the current rules would get first-round byes (so if they're as good as they purport to be, they should have a very easy path to the semi-finals), and that would give 8 more teams a chance to compete for the title. It would also provide two more rounds to the playoffs. The current format just seems like kind of a joke, with a lot of consternation and fan outrage almost every year only for a grand total of 3 playoff games to be played. Chances are, you'd have the same 4 semi-finalists most of the time anyways, but the path to get there would be both more exciting AND more fair... basically a no-brainer in my book.
I guess you have to define what you mean by "work". From a competitive standpoint, a 12-team playoff is a terrible idea. Most years, the #1 team blows out the #4 team because there's that much talent gap between #1 and #4, so why do we want to go all the way down to 12?
Not every conference, not even all of the Power 5 ones, have a team good enough to compete for a championship every year. I don't feel that we need to invite everybody to the party.
Now, if your definition of "work" is generating more interest and money, then sure, the bigger the better.
I actually had the following article in mind while composing my post, although I hadn't taken the time to go back find it until now:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-12-team-college-football-playoff-would-be-big-enough-90-percent-of-the-time/
The gap between #1 and #4 isn't the issue, since they both have a chance to win under the current format. The real issue (and what seems to create controversy every year) is the gap between #5 and #4, since one gets a chance and one doesn't. That's what an expanded playoff would address. If the #1 team really is that much better than everyone else, then so be it. If they're that much better, they should win it regardless.
Back in the BCS Bowl era, after the separate BCS Title Game was added, so we'll call it BCS V2...That version picked 10 teams to play in 5 Bowl (not playoff) games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose, and BCS Title. The (at the time) 6 Power Conferences automatically got 6 of the bids (the old Big East was still considered a Power Conference then, plus the current Power 5). Notre Dame got an Automatic Bid if certain conditions were met. And Mid-Major Conference Champs had a forumla to auto-qualify as well, that was initially almost impossible but was getting more "reachable" by the end of the BCS era. #1 and #2 in the BCS Rankings got automatic bids to the BCS Title Game, regardless of Conference standings/thats how we got an LSU-Alabama Rematch BCS Title game
I am not proposing a return to the BCS era, but the way the 10 teams were selected actually had some merit, and I think it would be a heck of a way to select a 10-team playoff. Of course, the old Big East folded, the American Athletic Conference is its theoretical successor, and in no way is a Power Conference, hence why we have the "Power 5" now.
So to select 10 teams on the "old" BCS formula: The 5 P5 Champs. Highest rated Group of 5 Conference Champ, assuming 1 finishes rated higher than at least one of the Power5 Champs. Notre Dame/other Independents like BYU if they finish in the Top 10. So that is probably 6 or 7 "automatic" bids at that point. 1&2 ranked teams in the nation are also auto invited, but generally those 2 will usually be already in the group, but if not either/both also get an auto bid. Then, the final 3 or 4 "At Large" /Wild Card berths will be awarded with whatever subjective rankings/ratings/polls/committees/Disney's TV preference dictate. This still leaves room for some subjectivity and debate and the "beauty contest" that is College Football, but also gives Auto Qualification standards to make the Football Big Dance, which is really needed
Once you have the 10 teams, take their current ranking status, and seed them 1-10. "Wild Card" /Opening weekend involves, played at the better seed's home stadium, #7 hosting #10, while #8 hosts #9
Quarterfinals/Round of 8:
#1 hosts the poorest remaining seed from Wild Card Weekend, at their home stadium.
#4 vs #5 at a BCS/NY6 Bowl site
^^^^^^^^Top of Bracket^^^^^^^
vvvvvvvvvBottom of Bracketvvvvvvvvv
#3 vs #6 at a BCS/NY6 Bowl site
#2 hosts the "other" Wild Card Weekend winner, also at #2's home stadium
Semifinals/Final Four:
2 "Top" Winners at a BCS/NY6 Bowl Site
2 "Bottom" Winners at a BCS/NY6 Bowl Site
National Title Game:
2 Winners, at a site bid out like the SuperBowl, Final Four, and current CFP Title Game
Quote from: webny99 on November 29, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
I actually had the following article in mind while composing my post, although I hadn't taken the time to go back find it until now:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-12-team-college-football-playoff-would-be-big-enough-90-percent-of-the-time/
The gap between #1 and #4 isn't the issue, since they both have a chance to win under the current format. The real issue (and what seems to create controversy every year) is the gap between #5 and #4, since one gets a chance and one doesn't. That's what an expanded playoff would address. If the #1 team really is that much better than everyone else, then so be it. If they're that much better, they should win it regardless.
That problem can never be solved. When it was just a single game with 2 teams, the controversy was between #2 and #3. Now at 4 teams, the controversy is between #4 and #5. If you expand to 12 teams, #13 will whine and complain about not getting in.
Four is the smallest number of teams where you include everybody with a realistic chance to win the championship.
Four is also the largest number of teams where you can still maintain most of the tradition of the Bowl system. You have teams ranked 5-12 playing in bowl games and the bowl games still mean something. You have #13 as the highest ranked team in a bowl game and nobody will care and the bowls eventually die out.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 29, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
Four is the smallest number of teams where you include everybody with a realistic chance to win the championship.
I love it when a 12 seeded Mid Major makes the Final Four in the Spring. Because the ESPN and CBS talking heads ignore them all season, and yet they find a way. Guess what? It can be done in Football, also.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 29, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
Four is also the largest number of teams where you can still maintain most of the tradition of the Bowl system. You have teams ranked 5-12 playing in bowl games and the bowl games still mean something. You have #13 as the highest ranked team in a bowl game and nobody will care and the bowls eventually die out.
The adoption of the BCS, then the CFP already has killed the Bowl system tradition. And when Bowl games give up their "traditional" name in place of a Sponsor, guess what? They sold out their tradition, also
Also, when .500 teams qualify for the Bowl game Postseason, again there is no tradition
The Bowl "Tradition" has been dead for over 20 years. It is a postseason exhibition game to give ESPN filler programming during the Holidays
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 29, 2021, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 29, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
Four is the smallest number of teams where you include everybody with a realistic chance to win the championship.
I love it when a 12 seeded Mid Major makes the Final Four in the Spring. Because the ESPN and CBS talking heads ignore them all season, and yet they find a way. Guess what? It can be done in Football, also.
No, it really can't. The better team wins in a football game a far greater percentage of the time than in a basketball game. Plus, in basketball the top division is 3x as many teams as in football so you have fewer games during the season between tournament teams and you get more teams that are underseeded.
Utes are Pac-12 champions!
They also just plain looked good. No way the Utah that was on the field last night was the same Utah that lost to BYU and whoever else back at the start of the season. I'm pulling for Iowa to win the Big 10 Championship simply because I'd rather play them in the Rose Bowl than Ohio State, who would likely get the Big 10's Rose Bowl invite if Michigan wins today.
As for the rest of today's games ... I am doing the unthinkable and rooting for the "university" of Georgia to win today. Most of Alabama's games against real teams this year were pretty close... including needing four overtimes to beat a meh Auburn team last week. I don't want Bama winning and stealing a playoff spot.
Oklahoma State miiight jump Cincinnati if they look absolutely dominant against Baylor today and win in blowout fashion. But if that game is close, I don't see how Cincy gets left out of the playoff if they can take care of Houston today.
Quote from: US 89 on December 04, 2021, 10:20:01 AM
Utes are Pac-12 champions!
They also just plain looked good. No way the Utah that was on the field last night was the same Utah that lost to BYU and whoever else back at the start of the season. I'm pulling for Iowa to win the Big 10 Championship simply because I'd rather play them in the Rose Bowl than Ohio State, who would likely get the Big 10's Rose Bowl invite if Michigan wins today.
As for the rest of today's games ... I am doing the unthinkable and rooting for the "university" of Georgia to win today. Most of Alabama's games against real teams this year were pretty close... including needing four overtimes to beat a meh Auburn team last week. I don't want Bama winning and stealing a playoff spot.
Oklahoma State miiight jump Cincinnati if they look absolutely dominant against Baylor today and win in blowout fashion. But if that game is close, I don't see how Cincy gets left out of the playoff if they can take care of Houston today.
Oregon State was a bad loss, but BYU and San Diego St are both pretty good teams. BYU went 5-0 vs PAC-12 teams. If BYU didn't have those 4 turnovers against Boise St., they're probably headed to the Fiesta Bowl as a Top 10 team.
Funny factoid for Oregon State football: Last season and this season saw them beat the team which won the Pac-12 title. If they can figure out how to win the rest of the games, then us Beaver fans will be rather happy!
Rick
Oklahoma State tackled less than a foot from the goal line on 4th and goal. Baylor wins the Big 12. Some other team is going to get in the playoff over Oklahoma State because of those few inches.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 04, 2021, 04:49:06 PM
Oklahoma State tackled less than a foot from the goal line on 4th and goal. Baylor wins the Big 12. Some other team is going to get in the playoff over Oklahoma State because of those few inches.
Reminds me of 49ers-Seahawks in the 2019 regular season finale. With 0:12 remaining, Dre Greenlaw tackled Jacob Hollister within half an inch of the goal line on 4th and goal to seal the victory, the NFC West, and the #1 seed for the 49ers. Those inches changed the entire course of the postseason and set up the 49ers Super Bowl run by gifting the 13-3 Packers a bye (avoiding the 49ers until the championship), meanwhile the 13-3 Saints have to play a Wild Card game and lose to the Vikings in overtime, and the rest is history.
NIU Huskies with their 5th MAC Title in 10 years on their 8th trip to the conference championship in 12 years :bigass:
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 04, 2021, 04:49:06 PM
Oklahoma State tackled less than a foot from the goal line on 4th and goal. Baylor wins the Big 12. Some other team is going to get in the playoff over Oklahoma State because of those few inches.
Would Oklahoma State have jumped Cincinnati though with such a tight win over Baylor? Baylor is good but they do have that loss to TCU (who by all accounts is terrible this year). And OSU lost to mediocre Iowa State, which is a decent team but has a lot of bad losses (Texas Tech, for one).
Even if OSU had scored on that drive, I don’t see how a win in yesterday’s game could have put them above Cincy. If OSU had dominated in a hypothetical win yesterday, then we might be having that conversation.
Was the USC-Cal game last night a makeup game from an earlier in the season postponement?
I mean, it was kinda awesome to end Championship Saturday with a mostly meaningless game between two 4-7 teams in the #Pac12AfterDark window. I mean, neither team was even playing for Bowl eligibility. Late night playing for pride game (and FOX TV contract commitments), and giving the degenerate gamblers a little more fodder after getting "taken" during the Title Game action
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Was the USC-Cal game last night a makeup game from an earlier in the season postponement?
I mean, it was kinda awesome to end Championship Saturday with a mostly meaningless game between two 4-7 teams in the #Pac12AfterDark window. I mean, neither team was even playing for Bowl eligibility. Late night playing for pride game (and FOX TV contract commitments), and giving the degenerate gamblers a little more fodder after getting "taken" during the Title Game action
Yes, Cal had a COVID outbreak and had to postpone the game. In order to play it this weekend, it had to not overlap with any conference championship games, so they had to play late last night.
As for the playoff, I'm pretty sure it's going to be Alabama vs Cincinnati and Michigan vs Georgia.
I'd rather see Michigan vs Cincy and Bama vs Georgia (again) in the 1st round, but I know it won't happen. The committe isn't going to put an SEC Title Game rematch in the Semifinals
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 05, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
I'd rather see Michigan vs Cincy and Bama vs Georgia (again) in the 1st round, but I know it won't happen. The committe isn't going to put an SEC Title Game rematch in the Semifinals
You were correct
Would there be enough interest in me posting the bowl schedule and updating daily as we go through bowl season? I used to do it on a couple other forum boards but those got shut down after user logins plummeted the last couple of years.
Quote from: ET21 on December 06, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
Would there be enough interest in me posting the bowl schedule and updating daily as we go through bowl season? I used to do it on a couple other forum boards but those got shut down after user logins plummeted the last couple of years.
Make it a separate thread.
Well, time to kiss Montana adieu. They're 1-2 against James Madison University in the FCS playoffs. Man, they stink. The shitty mediocrity continues, I suppose. Coach Bobby Hauck is definitely going to the hot seat after that loss. Couldn't get scrap done after ONE touchdown. One.
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Bragging rights to the winners.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2021, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Bragging rights to the winners.
More like an excuse for Alumni to take a Holiday vacation somewhere
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 11, 2021, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2021, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Bragging rights to the winners.
More like an excuse for Alumni to take a Holiday vacation somewhere
Unless you are Hawaii, which more often than not has been in its own bowl.
The other reason "Bowls matter" – Filler programming for the ESPN networks during the Holidays while staff at Bristol are taking their Holiday time off
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Playing in a bowl still means a lot. Winning a bowl doesn't mean as much.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 11, 2021, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Playing in a bowl still means a lot. Winning a bowl doesn't mean as much.
Unless it's for the national championship, I suspect. IMO, to go undefeated all season and then lose in the title game would be meaningless; just ask the 2007 Patriots (and yes, I'm aware that I brought up an NFL team while making this argument).
Coaches value the extra weeks of practice they get when a team goes to a bowl.
Quote from: Henry on December 13, 2021, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 11, 2021, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Do the bowls even mean anything anymore with all of the top prospects sitting out?
Playing in a bowl still means a lot. Winning a bowl doesn't mean as much.
Unless it's for the national championship, I suspect. IMO, to go undefeated all season and then lose in the title game would be meaningless; just ask the 2007 Patriots (and yes, I'm aware that I brought up an NFL team while making this argument).
Yeah, I was differentiating between playoff games and the rest of the bowls. Clearly the playoff holds more importance. Players on playoff teams don't skip the games to prepare for the draft. Players on teams going to bowl games do it regularly now.
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
Half of Alabama's team gonna have "allergies"
Quote from: Henry on December 28, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
The Holiday Bowl has been canceled because UCLA doesn't have enough COVID-free players to field a team.
Quote from: Henry on December 28, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
Alabama and Georgia are both in the bottom six states in vaccination rates, so if either/both had to forfeit a semifinal game due to an outbreak it would be karma.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 28, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 28, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
Alabama and Georgia are both in the bottom six states in vaccination rates, so if either/both had to forfeit a semifinal game due to an outbreak it would be karma.
We all know ESPN, the SEC, and the CFP Committee won't let that happen
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 28, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 28, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 28, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
Alabama and Georgia are both in the bottom six states in vaccination rates, so if either/both had to forfeit a semifinal game due to an outbreak it would be karma.
We all know ESPN, the SEC, and the CFP Committee won't let that happen
That possibility is covered. Rescheduling has been factored into the schedules. No way will the Championship games be cancelled, even if they conflict with the NFL playoffs.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 28, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 28, 2021, 10:23:00 AM
As expected, we've seen a couple of bowls get cancelled due to COVID-19. If it threatens the playoffs, that would be even more devastating to the season.
Alabama and Georgia are both in the bottom six states in vaccination rates, so if either/both had to forfeit a semifinal game due to an outbreak it would be karma.
But how vaccinated are the players?
Football took a big hit yesterday. John Madden passed at age 85, and locally in Chicago, the ESPN Bears reporter Jeff Dickerson died at age 42 from colon cancer.
Quote from: ET21 on December 29, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
Football took a big hit yesterday. John Madden passed at age 85, and locally in Chicago, the ESPN Bears reporter Jeff Dickerson died at age 42 from colon cancer.
Sad day for the football world, especially those who watched Madden break down plays to their simplest forms on TV and redefined the color analyst, and the younger generations who only know him through the video games that bear his name and are played nonstop well into the offseason. As for Dickerson, sadly I'm not all that familiar with him, even though I follow the Bears through the ESPN and NFL apps, but cancer is a terrible way to end a life, especially at a young age. However, they're now at peace as they've gone to the gridiron in the sky, along with Walter Payton, Brian Piccolo, Gale Sayers and George Halas.
Quote from: ET21 on December 29, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
Football took a big hit yesterday. John Madden passed at age 85, and locally in Chicago, the ESPN Bears reporter Jeff Dickerson died at age 42 from colon cancer.
Even worse, Dickerson's wife died from cancer a couple years ago and now their 11 year old son has no parents left.
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2022, 08:00:20 AM
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Cincinnati actually put up a fight and probably played Alabama as close as anybody else could have. Michigan just didn't even show up, but that's expected given their coach.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 01, 2022, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2022, 08:00:20 AM
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Cincinnati actually put up a fight and probably played Alabama as close as anybody else could have. Michigan just didn't even show up, but that's expected given their coach.
lol what? Bama lost to Texas A&M, barely beat LSU, and barely beat Auburn. Three teams that are average by SEC standards played Bama way closer than Cincinnati. Not saying that those teams are better than Cincy. But the gap isn't as large as one would think.
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2022, 08:00:20 AM
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Because two data points prove exactly whatever you want them to. You just love posting ludicrously biased posts that suit whatever point you want to make and remain silent if it doesn't support your worldview.
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2022, 08:00:20 AM
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Nah, it just proves that the SEC is less balanced than other conferences. The SEC as a whole is 5-6 in bowl games. The American's only loss is to Alabama, Mountain West is 5-1, Big 12 is 4-2, Big 10 is 6-4 with one of those losses being by a replacement team. Yes, the best teams in the SEC are very good. The rest of the conference is not. The current format rewards teams that can dominate their conference, so it puts balanced conferences at a disadvantage.
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2022, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 01, 2022, 08:00:20 AM
Hopefully Alabama and Georgia dominating the two best non-SEC teams in the nation en route to the national title game makes everyone admit once and for all that the SEC is just different. A one loss SEC team is oftentimes better than an undefeated team from another conference. A two loss SEC team is oftentimes better than a one loss team from another conference. A four loss SEC team is usually better than an undefeated or one loss Group of 5 team (Cincinnati this year and 2017 UCF being the recent exceptions).
Because two data points prove exactly whatever you want them to. You just love posting ludicrously biased posts that suit whatever point you want to make and remain silent if it doesn't support your worldview.
What are two more examples of these "ludicrously biased posts" ?
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
^^ the Groundhogs?
Keanu has known for a long time what the new name will be.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Watch it be FootballTeam.
Quote from: Alps on January 04, 2022, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Watch it be FootballTeam.
Nah, that'll look dumb. It will definitely be Washington Footballplayers.
Quote from: US 89 on January 04, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 04, 2022, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Watch it be FootballTeam.
Nah, that'll look dumb. It will definitely be Washington Footballplayers.
Washington United or Washington FC
Earlier today, washingtonadmirals.com redirected to the current washingtonfootball.com website. Now it redirects to a UVa athletics page. Weird.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 04, 2022, 12:17:26 PM
Earlier today, washingtonadmirals.com redirected to the current washingtonfootball.com website. Now it redirects to a UVa athletics page. Weird.
Now it redirects to Giving Kitchen. Don't think about it.
Well, I'd hate to break it to Montana State fans, but, so much for all of the Tommy Mallot hype. He got hurt in the FCS championship game against the now 9-time FCS champs North Dakota State Bison. Score: 38-10. At least the in-state rival Montana Grizzlies were spared this headache having beaten the Bobcats in the renewed 121st Brawl of the Wild game despite getting bumped out of the playoffs. A co-worker of mine at the local grocery store I work for in Missoula asked for a shift cover for Saturday the 8th because he wanted to see the Bobcats. Well, wah, wah, waaaaaaah! So much for that, eh? LMAO! By the time I see him, oooooh. We're gonna rag tag this dude! See, that's what happens when you become a Cats fan in good ole Montana. Sad the Griz didn't go to Frisco, but they have the Great Divide Trophy! :D
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2022, 02:44:00 AM
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
After 40+ years of waiting, UGA definitely deserves it. Fate has been very kind to the Peach State lately, because this championship comes about two months after the Braves won the World Series.
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2022, 02:44:00 AM
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
After 40+ years of waiting, UGA definitely deserves it. Fate has been very kind to the Peach State lately, because this championship comes about two months after the Braves won the World Series.
Well, some of the Peach State. Georgia Tech just finished their third 3-9 football season in a row...
Quote from: US 89 on January 11, 2022, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2022, 02:44:00 AM
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
After 40+ years of waiting, UGA definitely deserves it. Fate has been very kind to the Peach State lately, because this championship comes about two months after the Braves won the World Series.
Well, some of the Peach State. Georgia Tech just finished their third 3-9 football season in a row...
Tech has almost no fans anyway lol
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 12, 2022, 03:25:10 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 11, 2022, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2022, 02:44:00 AM
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
After 40+ years of waiting, UGA definitely deserves it. Fate has been very kind to the Peach State lately, because this championship comes about two months after the Braves won the World Series.
Well, some of the Peach State. Georgia Tech just finished their third 3-9 football season in a row...
Tech has almost no fans anyway lol
I wonder: when UGA played at Tech this season, how much of the crowd was wearing red? I'm guessing at least half.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Lets go groundhogs!!! :D
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 12, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 12, 2022, 03:25:10 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 11, 2022, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 11, 2022, 02:44:00 AM
Congrats to the Georgia Bulldogs on winning the 2022 National Championship! So glad that Bama lost.
UMass up next? :bigass:
After 40+ years of waiting, UGA definitely deserves it. Fate has been very kind to the Peach State lately, because this championship comes about two months after the Braves won the World Series.
Well, some of the Peach State. Georgia Tech just finished their third 3-9 football season in a row...
Tech has almost no fans anyway lol
I wonder: when UGA played at Tech this season, how much of the crowd was wearing red? I'm guessing at least half.
Probably more than half
So how about them Bills? Time to go smash some tables after that amazing game tonight.
oh no
Quote from: snowc on January 14, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Lets go groundhogs!!! :D
Exactly... why announce on February 2 if a "hog" isn't somehow involved. Washington Warhogs it is. The wingtipped W letter logo they've been using still works. It alliterates. It isn't War*t*hog which others have already trademarked, and/or used (not that anybody remembers MiLB Winston-Salem Warthogs...)
Quote from: sturmde on January 25, 2022, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: snowc on January 14, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 04, 2022, 08:46:22 AM
An e-mail just came announcing that Washington will announce the new team name and logo on February 2.
Lets go groundhogs!!! :D
Exactly... why announce on February 2 if a "hog" isn't somehow involved. Washington Warhogs it is. The wingtipped W letter logo they've been using still works. It alliterates. It isn't War*t*hog which others have already trademarked, and/or used (not that anybody remembers MiLB Winston-Salem Warthogs...)
I believe there used to be a Washington Warthogs indoor soccer team; its main claim to fame was having a female player for a time.
Looks like Tom Brady is calling it quits.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33173652/tom-brady-retiring-22-seasons-seven-super-bowl-wins-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33173652/tom-brady-retiring-22-seasons-seven-super-bowl-wins-new-england-patriots-tampa-bay-buccaneers-sources-say)
Or not.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/29/tom-brady-has-not-told-buccaneers-coach-bruce-arians-he-is-retiring
Someone may have jumped the gun. Not sure if it was Adam Schefter or someone in Brady's camp.
Screw Adam Schefter. He's the one who broke the news about Andrew Luck retiring a few years ago while Andrew was still in Lucas Oil Stadium. The fans inside (many who were there for cheap preseason tickets and likely somewhat drunk) starting booing him leaving a bad memory for Luck and a bad image for us Colts fans. All because Adam couldn't wait until a better moment to "break the news." Now he may have robbed Tom the same opportunity to announce any retirement on his terms.
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 29, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Screw Adam Schefter. He's the one who broke the news about Andrew Luck retiring a few years ago while Andrew was still in Lucas Oil Stadium. The fans inside (many who were there for cheap preseason tickets and likely somewhat drunk) starting booing him leaving a bad memory for Luck and a bad image for us Colts fans. All because Adam couldn't wait until a better moment to "break the news." Now he may have robbed Tom the same opportunity to announce any retirement on his terms.
Unfortunately that's journalism. If he sat on it knowing what he knew and someone else scooped him, Schefter and ESPN look stupid and incompetent. Especially with how many liberties ESPN takes in pretending they "broke" things they didn't.
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 29, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Now he may have robbed Tom the same opportunity to announce any retirement on his terms.
Public figures of all kinds yearn to make their retirement announcements "on their terms", only to be frustrated one way or the other. For example, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer reportedly was unhappy that he was denied the kind of well-orchestrated retirement announcement that Justice Anthony Kennedy managed to pull off.
Keeping the decision really, really close to the vest (as in not talking about it with anyone but his wife) might help. But expecting totally leak-proof decision-making is not always realistic, especially for the most high-profile public figures.
That's a low blow. ESPN definitely owes an apology to the Brady camp for this scam article. It shows how dead journalism is in sports just like political journalism. Nowadays it's "find me a hot take". I say that it isn't TB12 being the attention whore. It's the editorial upper management at ESPN. Septillionaire sloths they are. I do think Brady at some point will have a proper announcement on his own time under his own terms and isn't going to let some lazy sloth from ESPN tell him otherwise.
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 29, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Screw Adam Schefter. He's the one who broke the news about Andrew Luck retiring a few years ago while Andrew was still in Lucas Oil Stadium. The fans inside (many who were there for cheap preseason tickets and likely somewhat drunk) starting booing him leaving a bad memory for Luck and a bad image for us Colts fans. All because Adam couldn't wait until a better moment to "break the news." Now he may have robbed Tom the same opportunity to announce any retirement on his terms.
I'll never forget Andrew Luck's retirement. A stunning sports moment made even stranger by the timing.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 30, 2022, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 29, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Screw Adam Schefter. He's the one who broke the news about Andrew Luck retiring a few years ago while Andrew was still in Lucas Oil Stadium. The fans inside (many who were there for cheap preseason tickets and likely somewhat drunk) starting booing him leaving a bad memory for Luck and a bad image for us Colts fans. All because Adam couldn't wait until a better moment to "break the news." Now he may have robbed Tom the same opportunity to announce any retirement on his terms.
Unfortunately that's journalism. If he sat on it knowing what he knew and someone else scooped him, Schefter and ESPN look stupid and incompetent. Especially with how many liberties ESPN takes in pretending they "broke" things they didn't.
This is typical of ESPN. They don't have reporters; they have "insiders," which somewhat allows them to take liberties with journalistic ethics. Since the "insiders" are marketed as being buddies (at least in theory) with who they report on, they can and do get away with less ethical and less accurate reporting. Schefter is among the worst of the bunch.
Being first is far more important to ESPN (and they're hardly the only ones) than accuracy. :angry:
This is mostly correct.
https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-tom-brady-retirement-reporting-adam-schefter-darlington.html
Unfortunately, the only way to beat the media to the punch is to be trivial or just die unexpectedly.
It was brought to my attention that Brady is owed $15 million on February 4 (this Friday). I believe he is waiting for that and may announce his retirement sometime afterwards, if he does retire.
Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2022, 08:30:54 PM
Sorry, I had to laugh at this one...
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1487559301359099905
My favorite was the 49ers fans explaining why they lost because of Cooper Kupp . . . might not be appropriate for the forum though.
On the 6:00 news tonight, Channel 4 in DC had their helicopter flying over FedEx Field and they said the pilot spotted "Commanders" signs in the team store. The lights in the store were cut off almost immediately when the report aired.
Ooh, that's a hot scoop, channel 4!
Seems like such a silly oversight at the stadium. That means they were already stocking new gear before the official announcement and just hoping no one would spill the beans? But then left the place lit up for any looky-loo to see? That's hilarious. :-D
Quote from: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2022, 11:54:16 AM
Ooh, that's a hot scoop, channel 4!
Seems like such a silly oversight at the stadium. That means they were already stocking new gear before the official announcement and just hoping no one would spill the beans? But then left the place lit up for any looky-loo to see? That's hilarious. :-D
They covered over the ground-level windows with opaque black tarps and other coverings, but they evidently didn't think about the prospect of someone spotting it from the air.
Well, the good news is, it'll be easy to spot the assholes, since they'll be the ones who insist on referring to the team as the Redskins.
The new name is as dumb as ever. I can see all sorts of jokes now.
The Washington Commandos.
The Washington Commodes (accurate for FedEx Field).
The Washington Ant Traps (anyone seen the superhero lying around somewhere?).
The Washington Ant Hill (It's a people trap set by the government).
You could probably add more to the list.
^^^^
The Washington Commandos were a real team–an Arena Football League team that participated in three of the first four seasons before folding.
Washington Commodes fits well with the team's initials ("WC").
Probably says something about me that when I read "Commandos" in the previous posts, my brain first went to the thought that they are playing without underpants.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 02, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
The new name is as dumb as ever. I can see all sorts of jokes now.
The Washington Commandos.
The Washington Commodes (accurate for FedEx Field).
The Washington Ant Traps (anyone seen the superhero lying around somewhere?).
The Washington Ant Hill (It's a people trap set by the government).
You could probably add more to the list.
Some guys on others forums suggested the name of the Sentinels, as a nod the the fictionnal team from the movie The Replacements (don't confuse it with the Disney cartoon).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4gMECNA1Ss
I prefer Football Team, way more distinct and memorable.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 03, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 02, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
The new name is as dumb as ever. I can see all sorts of jokes now.
The Washington Commandos.
The Washington Commodes (accurate for FedEx Field).
The Washington Ant Traps (anyone seen the superhero lying around somewhere?).
The Washington Ant Hill (It's a people trap set by the government).
You could probably add more to the list.
Some guys on others forums suggested the name of the Sentinels, as a nod the the fictionnal team from the movie The Replacements (don't confuse it with the Disney cartoon).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4gMECNA1Ss
My suggestion was renaming them the Bullets, but no one listened to me.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 03, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Some guys on others forums suggested the name of the Sentinels, as a nod the the fictional team from the movie The Replacements
Hell, I pitched that in this very thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7349.msg2694900#msg2694900 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7349.msg2694900#msg2694900)
I like the Keanu connection to the name Sentinels because those were also the seek-and-destroy robots the humans were fighting in The Matrix.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 03, 2022, 03:00:58 PM
I prefer Football Team, way more distinct and memorable.
But far harder to protect as a trademark because it is at most "merely descriptive" (that's the term used in trademark law). If, for example, someone wanted to have a team in some league–say the XFL–in Washington State and call it "Washington Football Team," the DC team would have had a very tough time preventing them from doing so if they'd continued to use that "name."
How about the Washington 495ers?
Quote from: kurumi on February 03, 2022, 10:50:54 PM
How about the Washington 495ers?
366ers would fit, too, and it's a lot closer to the training complex and team headquarters (located here in Loudoun County; the map says Redskin Park Drive, but I know the team applied to change the street name and I assume the county approved (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0256969,-77.445166,17.21z)). Edited to add: Street View from July 2021 shows a street sign reading "Coach Gibbs Dr."
:bigass:
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 03, 2022, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 03, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 02, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
The new name is as dumb as ever. I can see all sorts of jokes now.
The Washington Commandos.
The Washington Commodes (accurate for FedEx Field).
The Washington Ant Traps (anyone seen the superhero lying around somewhere?).
The Washington Ant Hill (It's a people trap set by the government).
You could probably add more to the list.
Some guys on others forums suggested the name of the Sentinels, as a nod the the fictionnal team from the movie The Replacements (don't confuse it with the Disney cartoon).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4gMECNA1Ss
My suggestion was renaming them the Bullets, but no one listened to me.
Besides, the Wizards still own the rights to that name. With this, the Capitals are now the only team that still play under their original name.
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2022, 01:14:38 PMBesides, the Wizards still own the rights to that name.
Well, so much for that idea, then.
I wonder if Leonsis still owns the rights to the Washington Valor name.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2022, 01:14:38 PMBesides, the Wizards still own the rights to that name.
Well, so much for that idea, then.
I wonder if Leonsis still owns the rights to the Washington Valor name.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Valor's Arena Bowl championship banner still hangs in Verizon Center (next to the Mystics' WNBA championship banner, which is odd because the Mystics don't play there anymore).
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2022, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2022, 01:14:38 PMBesides, the Wizards still own the rights to that name.
Well, so much for that idea, then.
I wonder if Leonsis still owns the rights to the Washington Valor name.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Valor's Arena Bowl championship banner still hangs in Verizon Center (next to the Mystics' WNBA championship banner, which is odd because the Mystics don't play there anymore).
Seems fair to me - the Atlanta Thrashers' lone conference champion banner still hangs at State Farm Arena.
Doug Pederson is apparently now the Jags' head coach. I like the decision, but we need to get better again.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2022, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2022, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 04, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 04, 2022, 01:14:38 PMBesides, the Wizards still own the rights to that name.
Well, so much for that idea, then.
I wonder if Leonsis still owns the rights to the Washington Valor name.
Wouldn't surprise me. The Valor's Arena Bowl championship banner still hangs in Verizon Center (next to the Mystics' WNBA championship banner, which is odd because the Mystics don't play there anymore).
Seems fair to me - the Atlanta Thrashers' lone conference champion banner still hangs at State Farm Arena.
That was for their sole divisional championship, where they were swept for their sole playoff appearance.
Apparently the Broncos are for sale and Byron Allen (AKA Allen Media) is interested in buying them.
EDIT: The WalMart empire bought them and they're now the butt of late-night jokes. Still looking forward to seeing the Jags play them in London, OTOH.
So there are now reports that USC and UCLA are going to leave the PAC-12 for the Big Ten. Likely a response to Texas and Oklahoma bolting the Big 12 for the SEC.
[Can an admin change the name of this thread to 'College Football Thread' since we have a separate NFL thread?
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 30, 2022, 02:15:22 PM
So there are now reports that USC and UCLA are going to leave the PAC-12 for the Big Ten. Likely a response to Texas and Oklahoma bolting the Big 12 for the SEC.
[Can an admin change the name of this thread to 'College Football Thread' since we have a separate NFL thread?
Shocking news, and bad news for the sport. Every year it becomes more and more clear that college football as it's currently structured isn't sustainable. At this rate the Big Ten and SEC are going to annex every big team and then merge with each other to create the super league (which the same 4-5 teams will still come to dominate). That's not what the sport is about. If fans want a super league featuring all the best players and most popular teams, they're in luck already: it's called the NFL.
The appeals of college football are the rare big nonconference games (which won't happen if every good team is in the same conference), the rivalries (which I suppose will remain), the upsets (which will be watered down), the school pride (which has largely been taken away by NIL), the conference championship games (which won't matter besides the super league), and bowl games (which are hardly relevant anymore, and would be completely squashed by the super league).
All in all, I give college football until 2040 at the absolute latest before one of two things happens: a), the aforementioned super league forms and destroys the sport, or b), the sport falls apart before that even happens because of NIL or a massive corruption scandal or smaller programs dying or all of the above.
Maybe the Big Ten should be called the Union Conference and the SEC the Confederacy Conference. Their champions meet in a one-game playoff called the War Between the States by the Confederacy Conference and the Civil War by the Union Conference.
While I think this move makes sense for USC and UCLA in the short term (the Pac-12 has been shooting itself in the foot repeatedly over the last fifteen years) to get some of that sweet, sweet cash and television exposure, in the longer term it benefits the rest of the Big 10 much more than these two schools. While they're both "blue blood" programs (USC in football, UCLA in basketball), they've both vastly underperformed relative to their legacies the last 25 years, and scheduling Ohio State, Michigan State, etc. and making multiple cross-country trips to play in cold weather each year isn't going to lead to improved records anytime soon.
Plus, the Big 10 gets the L.A. television market, and recruiting there just got even easier for the other schools. And all the other sports? Sure, they'll get some of that money, but all the extra travel is going to make their academic life that much harder.
Most of the sources I've seen say the Big 10 isn't done. I can easily see invites to Oregon (the only other really consistently relevant football program in the Pac-12), Washington (generally above average, plus a top-15 market), and maybe Stanford and Cal (not relevant in football and basketball, but among the most championships in olympic/individual sports, two of the top academic schools in the country, and the number six television market). But by that point, why not just merge the conferences? That seems to be where we're headed anyway - two super conferences and everyone else from the FBS in the college equivalent of triple-A.
I hate the USC and UCLA move so much. I really hope that they reconsider.
Also Baker Mayfield really got traded for pennies huh.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 08, 2022, 12:33:13 AM
I hate the USC and UCLA move so much. I really hope that they reconsider.
At this point college football needs to restructure everything, or it will just turn into the NFL G League, or worse, the NCAA Champions League. I'm not saying that my "College Football Radical Revamp" thread's ideas are exactly necessary, but there needs to be a new structure that fixes college football's problems.
Pitt has won the backyard brawl.
Apparently, a twelve-team college football playoff will be starting in 2026.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 02, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
Apparently, a twelve-team college football playoff will be starting in 2026.
at the latest, could be as soon as 2024.
This should make things more interesting in CFB with expanded playoffs
I like the idea of a larger playoff so that other teams have a chance. However, there are many logistical challenges that will need to be overcome.
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
Doesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
Doesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Which is such bullshit. This weekend Utah is playing Florida in Gainesville and all the commentators are going on about how it'll be such a test for Utah to play in the humidity. That's fine, but whenever SEC teams have to play in cold, the narrative shifts to "this is so unfair". Ridiculous double standard.
Quote from: US 89 on September 03, 2022, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
Doesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Which is such bullshit. This weekend Utah is playing Florida in Gainesville and all the commentators are going on about how it'll be such a test for Utah to play in the humidity. That's fine, but whenever SEC teams have to play in cold, the narrative shifts to "this is so unfair". Ridiculous double standard.
Alabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007.
TWO IN 15 SEASONS2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
On the rare occasion that Alabama schedules a highly ranked non-conference opponent, it's a "neutral site" game in Atlanta, New Orleans or Dallas, where Alabama fans will buy 80% of the tickets. In fact, every neutral site game Alabama has played in under Saban, including bowls and playoff games, have been in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona or California, with the lone exception of last season's CFP final in Indy.
The SEC schedules to ensure that their top teams will have very few or zero nonconference losses. Then the conference champion points to wins over 2-loss and 3-loss conference teams, none of whom have played anybody good outside their conference.
And I don't blame them. The other conferences could have insisted on more rigorous scheduling when setting up the bowl/playoff system, but haven't.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
As a player I would rather get a bye; as an athletic department I would rather get the revenue of a home playoff game. And we know that money is the king of college football.
QuoteDoesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Wanna bet on that?
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
As a player I would rather get a bye; as an athletic department I would rather get the revenue of a home playoff game. And we know that money is the king of college football.
QuoteDoesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Wanna bet on that?
I would. There will be some kind of rule implemented that cold weather teams have to move their "home" games to an indoor stadium. SEC is not going to allow its teams to play outdoors north of Lexington in December. They'll find some way to end that.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 12:10:53 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 03, 2022, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
Doesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Which is such bullshit. This weekend Utah is playing Florida in Gainesville and all the commentators are going on about how it'll be such a test for Utah to play in the humidity. That's fine, but whenever SEC teams have to play in cold, the narrative shifts to "this is so unfair". Ridiculous double standard.
Alabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007. TWO IN 15 SEASONS
2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
On the rare occasion that Alabama schedules a highly ranked non-conference opponent, it's a "neutral site" game in Atlanta, New Orleans or Dallas, where Alabama fans will buy 80% of the tickets. In fact, every neutral site game Alabama has played in under Saban, including bowls and playoff games, have been in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona or California, with the lone exception of last season's CFP final in Indy.
The SEC schedules to ensure that their top teams will have very few or zero nonconference losses. Then the conference champion points to wins over 2-loss and 3-loss conference teams, none of whom have played anybody good outside their conference.
And I don't blame them. The other conferences could have insisted on more rigorous scheduling when setting up the bowl/playoff system, but haven't.
Let's not act like the SEC is the only conference with teams who don't want to play difficult or away OOC games.
Also, how is cold weather even a factor if the vast majority of nonconference games are played in September?
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
What doesn't make sense is that seeds 5-8 will get home playoff games, but seeds 1-4 won't because the quarterfinals and semifinals will be at bowl sites. They should have the first round and semifinals be at bowl sites, with the quarterfinals on home campuses. It's weird, but that's the only way it makes sense to me.
Would you rather get a bye or play a home game.
As a player I would rather get a bye; as an athletic department I would rather get the revenue of a home playoff game. And we know that money is the king of college football.
QuoteDoesn't matter anyway. The first time there's an SEC team seeded 9-12 that has to play north of Lexington in December, they'll eliminate home games. SEC doesn't play in cold weather.
Wanna bet on that?
I would. There will be some kind of rule implemented that cold weather teams have to move their "home" games to an indoor stadium. SEC is not going to allow its teams to play outdoors north of Lexington in December. They'll find some way to end that.
K. What's the bet?
Iowa/SD State and UNC/App State today were both insulting to the game of football in totally opposite ways.
Go UMass :ded:
Since 2020, Cincinnati is 0-3 against the SEC and 22-0 against all other conferences.
And now Florida, who might not even be in the top half of SEC teams, has beaten the highest-ranked team west of the Mississippi (besides Texas A&M who is in the SEC).
My biggest wish for college football is for the SEC to be trash someday.
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 10:33:19 PM
And now Florida, who might not even be in the top half of SEC teams, has beaten the highest-ranked team west of the Mississippi (besides Texas A&M who is in the SEC).
Pac 12 died today officially.
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 03, 2022, 10:33:19 PM
And now Florida, who might not even be in the top half of SEC teams, has beaten the highest-ranked team west of the Mississippi (besides Texas A&M who is in the SEC).
Pac 12 died today officially.
Utah's defense sucked. Gone are the days of Sack Lake City.
UMass lost as expected. They had it tied 7-7 at one point though so good for them.
So many lopsided victories yesterday for the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Texas A&M, Georgia, Miami, Wisconsin, Baylor, and USC. Not sure what the point of having so many blowouts so early in the season other than to increase exposure for the schools that lost. At least Notre Dame/Ohio State was relatively close..
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 04, 2022, 07:51:41 AM
So many lopsided victories yesterday for the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Texas A&M, Georgia, Miami, Wisconsin, Baylor, and USC. Not sure what the point of having so many blowouts so early in the season other than to increase exposure for the schools that lost. At least Notre Dame/Ohio State was relatively close..
The large schools pay the small schools a ton of
money (there's that word again!) to come play them, and likely get blown out. Losing that income would be difficult for FCS/small FBS programs.
Quote from: thspfc on September 04, 2022, 08:28:07 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 04, 2022, 07:51:41 AM
So many lopsided victories yesterday for the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Texas A&M, Georgia, Miami, Wisconsin, Baylor, and USC. Not sure what the point of having so many blowouts so early in the season other than to increase exposure for the schools that lost. At least Notre Dame/Ohio State was relatively close..
The large schools pay the small schools a ton of money (there's that word again!) to come play them, and likely get blown out. Losing that income would be difficult for FCS/small FBS programs.
To expand on this. If you're Ohio State and you want to play Notre Dame at home, you have to agree to also play a game at Notre Dame (that will happen next year). If your entire schedule is full of teams you have to play away in addition to home, you end up with 6 home and 6 away games every year.
If you want to have a 7th home game and all the extra revenue that comes with it, you have to schedule a team that is willing to accept money in lieu of the return game. Such a team is almost always 30+ points worse than the team "buying the game."
There are exceptions though, most famously Michigan losing to Appalachian State in 2007.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 04, 2022, 07:51:41 AM
So many lopsided victories yesterday for the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Texas A&M, Georgia, Miami, Wisconsin, Baylor, and USC.
The point is to be able to jump up in the rankings. Not necessarily immediately, but in a way similar to advertising. When the time comes to make a choice, the reporters' and coaches' decisions will be impacted by the teams they have heard of doing well since the beginning of the season. A blowout later on in the season will have lesser effect.
Not denying the ratings/funding/ranking reasoning I'm just saying it makes for difficult viewing.
FYI we have a separate thread for the 2022 college season here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31977.0
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 04, 2022, 09:57:45 AM
Not denying the ratings/funding/ranking reasoning I'm just saying it makes for difficult viewing.
No argument there.
QuoteAlabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007. TWO IN 15 SEASONS
2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
Huh????
This year Alabama has non-conference home games against both Utah State and Louisiana-Monroe. Last year they had home games against Southern Miss and something called Mercer. 2020 was all messed up for everyone, but in 2019 they had home games against Southern Mississippi again along with New Mexico State. In 2018 they played at home against Arkansas State and Louisiana. I could go on but Alabama typically schedules two non-conference games against lesser non-conference opponents annually. That's pretty typical of most big powers as I'm fairly confident without looking that Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, and even next-level powers like Wisconsin and UCLA do similar scheduling.
Quote from: skluth on September 04, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
QuoteAlabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007. TWO IN 15 SEASONS
2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
Huh????
This year Alabama has non-conference home games against both Utah State and Louisiana-Monroe. Last year they had home games against Southern Miss and something called Mercer. 2020 was all messed up for everyone, but in 2019 they had home games against Southern Mississippi again along with New Mexico State. In 2018 they played at home against Arkansas State and Louisiana. I could go on but Alabama typically schedules two non-conference games against lesser non-conference opponents annually. That's pretty typical of most big powers as I'm fairly confident without looking that Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, and even next-level powers like Wisconsin and UCLA do similar scheduling.
I think he meant to say non-conference
away games, played on the opposing team's home field as opposed to a neutral site.
Also got the years wrong - that Duke game was in 2010, and the Penn State game was in 2011.
Quote from: US 89 on September 04, 2022, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: skluth on September 04, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
QuoteAlabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007. TWO IN 15 SEASONS
2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
Huh????
This year Alabama has non-conference home games against both Utah State and Louisiana-Monroe. Last year they had home games against Southern Miss and something called Mercer. 2020 was all messed up for everyone, but in 2019 they had home games against Southern Mississippi again along with New Mexico State. In 2018 they played at home against Arkansas State and Louisiana. I could go on but Alabama typically schedules two non-conference games against lesser non-conference opponents annually. That's pretty typical of most big powers as I'm fairly confident without looking that Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, and even next-level powers like Wisconsin and UCLA do similar scheduling.
I think he meant to say non-conference away games, played on the opposing team's home field as opposed to a neutral site.
Also got the years wrong - that Duke game was in 2010, and the Penn State game was in 2011.
That makes more sense. I did notice they often played a big non-conference neutral site game fairly often; 2016 USC, 2017 Florida State, etc.
Quote from: US 89 on September 04, 2022, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: skluth on September 04, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
QuoteAlabama has played 2 non-conference home games since Saban took over in 2007. TWO IN 15 SEASONS
2009 at Duke in September
2010 at Penn State in September
Huh????
This year Alabama has non-conference home games against both Utah State and Louisiana-Monroe. Last year they had home games against Southern Miss and something called Mercer. 2020 was all messed up for everyone, but in 2019 they had home games against Southern Mississippi again along with New Mexico State. In 2018 they played at home against Arkansas State and Louisiana. I could go on but Alabama typically schedules two non-conference games against lesser non-conference opponents annually. That's pretty typical of most big powers as I'm fairly confident without looking that Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, and even next-level powers like Wisconsin and UCLA do similar scheduling.
I think he meant to say non-conference away games, played on the opposing team's home field as opposed to a neutral site.
Also got the years wrong - that Duke game was in 2010, and the Penn State game was in 2011.
Yeah, I did mean away.
Go Noles. That is all.
Great game from both FSU and LSU.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 05, 2022, 07:30:23 AM
Great game from both FSU and LSU.
Has to be the craziest ending of any football game, college or NFL, that I have watched.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 05, 2022, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 05, 2022, 07:30:23 AM
Great game from both FSU and LSU.
Has to be the craziest ending of any football game, college or NFL, that I have watched.
I didn't watch it live, but I don't believe for a second that it was crazier than the Chargers/Raiders game.
Quote from: thspfc on September 05, 2022, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 05, 2022, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 05, 2022, 07:30:23 AM
Great game from both FSU and LSU.
Has to be the craziest ending of any football game, college or NFL, that I have watched.
I didn't watch it live, but I don't believe for a second that it was crazier than the Chargers/Raiders game.
The Chargers Raiders game was also crazy, that game was probably a bit less crazy in a vaccum but the crazy implications made it all the better.
What happened with FSU-LSU last nite...wasn't even the first time this happened with a Louisiana football team!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ZBT3BWaj4
What an insane weekend of college football. If only Texas had managed to finish off the Bama upset...
https://www.insider.com/las-vegas-teen-collapses-and-dies-during-flag-football-game-2023-1
Damn this sounds too much like the incident like the incident in the NFL where a Buffalo Bills star had went through something like that. Only this time the High School football star in Las Vegas has died for a similar issue.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/the-real-love-of-her-life-ashari-hughes-remembered-for-her-love-of-flag-football-2707299/
https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/01/06/student-las-vegas-school-dies-after-medical-emergency-during-sports-event/
Back to back natties for Georgia
The Montreal Alouettes got a new owner.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/entrepreneur-businessman-pierre-karl-peladeau-becomes-new-montreal-alouettes-owner-1.1929654
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MONTREAL – Pierre Karl Peladeau is the new owner of the Montreal Alouettes.
The Montreal businessman was unveiled as the franchise owner by the CFL at a news conference at Olympic Stadium on Friday. Peladeau, the president/chief executive officer of Quebecor Inc., has a reported net worth of US$1.9 billion.
Peladeau, a former leader of the Parti Québécois, will represent the Alouettes as their lead governor on the CFL's board of governors.
"I'm proud to run a large company which has been involved in the Montreal business and the Montreal community. My father told me that when you receive so much, you need to give as much as possible," said Peladeau. "The Montreal Alouettes is not only a business, it's more than a business. It's about community investment. It's about being here, being strong and creating (something) Montrealers can be proud of."
The move comes just over a week after the CFL entered into an exclusive negotiation with Peladeau regarding ownership of the franchise.
"Our goal in this process was to put the Alouettes on a path to long-term success, ideally under strong, local ownership," said CFL commissioner Randy Ambrosie.
"This is a special day for this incredible franchise, its fans across Quebec, and the city of Montreal. Pierre Karl and his passion for sports, entertainment and his community are remarkable. I know he will do a tremendous job in stewarding the Alouettes."
The CFL took over operation of the Alouettes last month, appointing former president Mario Cecchini as interim president. Cecchini and Park Lane, the CFL's investment banking partner, helped facilitate the search for a franchise owner.
But Cecchini won't remain with the Alouettes under Peladeau's ownership. Earlier this week, he was appointed commissioner of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League.
Peladeau said hiring a new president will not be a quick process.
"I'm not saying we'll take three years but you'll need to give us a few days or a few weeks to take the necessary steps," he said Friday. "We've identified candidates and it's important to take the necessary time in order to fully understand the objective."
The CFL also assumed control of the Alouettes on May 31, 2019 from Robert and Andrew Wetenhall. The league sold the franchise to Ontario businessmen Sid Spiegel and Gary Stern, Spiegel's son-in-law, in January 2020.
Idea for college football: Get rid of conferences entirely and have it strictly numerical. Your "adjusted win rate" is 4/5 of your win percentage plus 1/5 of the average "adjusted win rate" of opposing teams (effectively strength of schedule). It will take several iterations, but the numbers will converge. The top however many teams get in the playoffs.
Quote from: 1 on March 11, 2023, 05:37:49 PM
Idea for college football: Get rid of conferences entirely and have it strictly numerical. Your "adjusted win rate" is 4/5 of your win percentage plus 1/5 of the average "adjusted win rate" of opposing teams (effectively strength of schedule). It will take several iterations, but the numbers will converge. The top however many teams get in the playoffs.
This would only work if there's a central governing body that has full control over scheduling, to ensure that everyone's schedule is mostly balanced. Because, for example, if a bunch of former SEC teams schedule each other and a bunch of former Conference USA teams schedule each other (which would probably happen), there will be Conference USA teams with inflated records and SEC teams with deflated records as a result of the teams they play, which affects the adjusted win rate of all the teams they play.
Quote from: thspfc on March 11, 2023, 06:30:16 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 11, 2023, 05:37:49 PM
Idea for college football: Get rid of conferences entirely and have it strictly numerical. Your "adjusted win rate" is 4/5 of your win percentage plus 1/5 of the average "adjusted win rate" of opposing teams (effectively strength of schedule). It will take several iterations, but the numbers will converge. The top however many teams get in the playoffs.
This would only work if there's a central governing body that has full control over scheduling, to ensure that everyone's schedule is mostly balanced. Because, for example, if a bunch of former SEC teams schedule each other and a bunch of former Conference USA teams schedule each other (which would probably happen), there will be Conference USA teams with inflated records and SEC teams with deflated records as a result of the teams they play, which affects the adjusted win rate of all the teams they play.
The SEC and BIG, which far outearn all other conferences in TV money, are never going to agree to this.
We do have the strength of record metric, which measures how difficult it is to achieve your record against your schedule, and that is used by the playoff committee. It's a decent way to compare an undefeated team with a weak schedule against 1 and 2 loss teams with more difficult schedules.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on March 12, 2023, 11:36:27 AM
We do have the strength of record metric, which measures how difficult it is to achieve your record against your schedule, and that is used by the playoff committee. It's a decent way to compare an undefeated team with a weak schedule against 1 and 2 loss teams with more difficult schedules.
Not being that familiar with college football, is this a purely objective measure based solely on statistics?
Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2023, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on March 12, 2023, 11:36:27 AM
We do have the strength of record metric, which measures how difficult it is to achieve your record against your schedule, and that is used by the playoff committee. It's a decent way to compare an undefeated team with a weak schedule against 1 and 2 loss teams with more difficult schedules.
Not being that familiar with college football, is this a purely objective measure based solely on statistics?
Yes. The committee does not always go strictly by it, but they generally stick pretty close.
The problem with all ideas about college playoffs is that college playoffs were an answer to a question that no one asked. College football's bowl system worked, and worked well, for decades. ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, has finally engineered, a single crushing exhaustive long playoff deal, where, BTW, there are maybe being as liberal as possible, 15 teams that will EVER have a shot, and everyone else is a POS. Leading to its "little super bowl".
Which doesn't get all that great of a TV rating, and which had to more or less give away tickets when they tried to play it out of the natural college football area.
Northwestern fires head coach Pat Fitzgerald after a hazing suspension led to an investigation led to more serious infractions.
Quote from: Big John on July 10, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Northwestern fires head coach Pat Fitzgerald after a hazing suspension led to an investigation led to more serious infractions.
Not surprised. After reading a few comments from former players, he is lucky that it is just a firing. He is a modern era Joe Paterno in that he allowed the sexual hazing to happen and he knew about it. Meaning he was at the very least complacent.
Four local radio stations are sponsoring this event near Nats Park next Thursday. This is funny.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F08cIxcXsAEgZ-E?format=png&name=small)
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 13, 2023, 05:16:44 PM
Four local radio stations are sponsoring this event near Nats Park next Thursday. This is funny.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F08cIxcXsAEgZ-E?format=png&name=small)
Excellent! I truly hope the sale goes through, despite the last minute snag related to leaked emails that led to the firing of Jon Gruden.
DeAndre Hopkins signs with Titans. Dammit I wanted him.
The NFL preseason starts on 8/9.
Quote from: Henry on July 19, 2023, 09:59:02 PM
The NFL preseason starts on 8/9.
Wow time flies.
NFL training camps open next week, too, I believe.
Mike
Lots of controversy this week about the sagging value in the market for running backs.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiGiKGV7J2AAxWQEFkFHVvSD3QQxfQBKAB6BAgMEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrobible.com%2Fsports%2Farticle%2Fnfl-running-backs-organize-group-text%2F&usg=AOvVaw2eKiJ6yyzssCVME4Zj_7Vd&opi=89978449
Washington Commanders sale approved today any to boot, Snyder fined $60 million for misconduct.
Quote from: Big John on July 20, 2023, 05:53:08 PM
Washington Commanders sale approved today any to boot, Snyder fined $60 million for misconduct.
He's worth 5 billion. Could have fined him 4 billion and it wouldn't have changed his lifestyle at all.
It's a big win not only for Washington fans, who are finally rid of arguably the worst owner in its history, but also for the league's owners who now know that their already-lucrative franchises can sell for many billions $$$.
Kinda figure this'd be the day Dan Snyder gets the shaft! Good riddance to putrid rubbish! Old school Redskins and new school Commanders fans can finally rest easy. Big step, I'm sure, for Washington. Might not immediately garner them a playoff appearance or Super Bowl bid, but, now that Snyder's gone, it's a damn good start towards that goal.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on July 27, 2023, 11:43:08 PM
Kinda figure this'd be the day Dan Snyder gets the shaft! Good riddance to putrid rubbish! Old school Redskins and new school Commanders fans can finally rest easy. Big step, I'm sure, for Washington. Might not immediately garner them a playoff appearance or Super Bowl bid, but, now that Snyder's gone, it's a damn good start towards that goal.
I thought you were an NFL heretic.
Quote from: Big John on July 27, 2023, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on July 27, 2023, 11:43:08 PM
Kinda figure this'd be the day Dan Snyder gets the shaft! Good riddance to putrid rubbish! Old school Redskins and new school Commanders fans can finally rest easy. Big step, I'm sure, for Washington. Might not immediately garner them a playoff appearance or Super Bowl bid, but, now that Snyder's gone, it's a damn good start towards that goal.
I thought you were an NFL heretic.
Hehehehehe! That was a long time ago. I dubbed myself that because of some of the players' ninny brained antics.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/usfl-xfl-in-talks-to-merge-expected-to-create-one-spring-football-league-for-2024-season-per-report/
Update there are talks that the XFL and USFL are considering a merger. If this happens then how will the audience size match the size of the NFL?
Quote from: bing101 on September 20, 2023, 10:40:59 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/usfl-xfl-in-talks-to-merge-expected-to-create-one-spring-football-league-for-2024-season-per-report/
Update there are talks that the XFL and USFL are considering a merger. If this happens then how will the audience size match the size of the NFL?
Minimal. People are interested in hockey, basketball, and baseball in the spring.
The American people always say they want more football. Until given more football, when they ignore it. The reality is that people want the NFL, and college football, during football season, and the other sports during their seasons.
History is replete with failed spring and summer football leagues.
Why would The Rock and XFL go this far into making that bold of a move in its supposed junior season of its comeback? You'd just erased the one dominant USFL team's history: the Stallions of Birmingham, AL. They better call the merger off before people start throwing more shade at The Rock and XFL.
Quote from: bing101 on September 20, 2023, 10:40:59 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/usfl-xfl-in-talks-to-merge-expected-to-create-one-spring-football-league-for-2024-season-per-report/
Update there are talks that the XFL and USFL are considering a merger. If this happens then how will the audience size match the size of the NFL?
A merger between a flea circus and a dog & pony show.
As one prolific AA Roads poster likes to say: "yawn"
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
High school in some areas. College, again, only the top tier. There's no promo/releg, but the fan bases for even the Group of Five are quite smaller than the Power Five, let alone FCS vs. FBS, let alone...
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
High school in some areas. College, again, only the top tier. There's no promo/releg, but the fan bases for even the Group of Five are quite smaller than the Power Five, let alone FCS vs. FBS, let alone...
College teams, no matter the conference, are not the "top tier" of teams. Pro teams are.
Also, the size of the fanbases for smaller schools relative to those of bigger schools is not dissimilar to the relative size of fanbases for lower-division teams in promotion/relegation systems in other countries.
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
High school in some areas. College, again, only the top tier. There's no promo/releg, but the fan bases for even the Group of Five are quite smaller than the Power Five, let alone FCS vs. FBS, let alone...
College teams, no matter the conference, are not the "top tier" of teams. Pro teams are.
Also, the size of the fanbases for smaller schools relative to those of bigger schools is not dissimilar to the relative size of fanbases for lower-division teams in promotion/relegation systems in other countries.
I'm making the point there is no promotion/relegation system here.
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
High school in some areas. College, again, only the top tier. There's no promo/releg, but the fan bases for even the Group of Five are quite smaller than the Power Five, let alone FCS vs. FBS, let alone...
College teams, no matter the conference, are not the "top tier" of teams. Pro teams are.
Many college towns across the country would disagree. Of course, here in the Boston area, our pro teams are the dominant tier.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 25, 2023, 07:10:14 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 23, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 23, 2023, 01:17:31 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 21, 2023, 09:43:12 PM
This country only likes the top tier of teams, unfortunately.
Not accurate. Our college and even high school sports scenes are far beyond what you'll find in any other country.
High school in some areas. College, again, only the top tier. There's no promo/releg, but the fan bases for even the Group of Five are quite smaller than the Power Five, let alone FCS vs. FBS, let alone...
College teams, no matter the conference, are not the "top tier" of teams. Pro teams are.
Many college towns across the country would disagree. Of course, here in the Boston area, our pro teams are the dominant tier.
By "top tier" I mean competitive pinnacle of their sport within the US. Yes, some college powerhouses are more popular than some NFL teams (which actually supports my point), but that doesn't mean they're in the "top tier" .
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38658609/nfl-pondering-possibility-playing-super-bowl-london
Note there are talks about having the Super Bowl in Great Britain but that is not confirmed for now.
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2023, 08:34:03 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38658609/nfl-pondering-possibility-playing-super-bowl-london
Note there are talks about having the Super Bowl in Great Britain but that is not confirmed for now.
As much as the NFL might love the idea of having a Super Bowl in London, are they really willing to give up US TV ratings by moving kickoff back 4 hours? Couldn't start a game in London any later than 2pm ET (7pm GMT).
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2023, 08:34:03 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38658609/nfl-pondering-possibility-playing-super-bowl-london
Note there are talks about having the Super Bowl in Great Britain but that is not confirmed for now.
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Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 18, 2023, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2023, 08:34:03 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38658609/nfl-pondering-possibility-playing-super-bowl-london
Note there are talks about having the Super Bowl in Great Britain but that is not confirmed for now.
As much as the NFL might love the idea of having a Super Bowl in London, are they really willing to give up US TV ratings by moving kickoff back 4 hours? Couldn't start a game in London any later than 2pm ET (7pm GMT).
I don't know about the NFL, but I would be happy with an earlier start time. If they can't do Saturday, 2 pm is still an improvement.
The Montreal Alouettes will go to the Grey cup finals against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. The last time the Als won the Grey cup was in 2010.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/montreal-alouettes-defence-stifle-chad-kelly-toronto-argonauts-to-punch-grey-cup-ticket-1.2034417
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 18, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 18, 2023, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2023, 08:34:03 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38658609/nfl-pondering-possibility-playing-super-bowl-london
Note there are talks about having the Super Bowl in Great Britain but that is not confirmed for now.
As much as the NFL might love the idea of having a Super Bowl in London, are they really willing to give up US TV ratings by moving kickoff back 4 hours? Couldn't start a game in London any later than 2pm ET (7pm GMT).
I don't know about the NFL, but I would be happy with an earlier start time. If they can't do Saturday, 2 pm is still an improvement.
Some fans might, but the TV networks and league will not be willing to sacrifice the ad revenue that would be slashed with the earlier kickoff, and that will ultimately be the one and only consideration that will be taken into account - so consider any London Super Bowl to be DOA.
The Montreal Alouettes won the 2023 Grey cup championship.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/montreal-alouettes-rally-to-beat-winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-take-grey-cup-1.2038100
After hearing that name for most of my life, I finally bothered to look up what an "Alouette" is. It apparently means "lark"; as in the bird.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 04, 2023, 01:20:41 PM
After hearing that name for most of my life, I finally bothered to look up what an "Alouette" is. It apparently means "lark"; as in the bird.
That is why you plumerai la tete.
The newest incarnations of the USFL and the XFL had merged to form the United Football League.
https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/39215302/merged-xfl-usfl-rebranded-united-football-league
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on January 04, 2024, 06:26:27 PM
The newest incarnations of the USFL and the XFL had merged to form the United Football League.
https://www.espn.com/xfl/story/_/id/39215302/merged-xfl-usfl-rebranded-united-football-league
It's an interesting set up:
United Football League (UFL)
XFL Conference:
Arlington Renegades (defending champions)
D.C. Defenders (Washington, Audi Field)
St. Louis Battelhawks
San Antonio Brahmas
USFL Conference:
Birmingham Stallions (defending champions)
Houston Roughnecks (the Gamblers staff and roster, but instead of playing in Memphis, they'll be in Houston taking the XFL nickname)
Memphis Showboats
Michigan Panthers (Detroit, Ford Field)
At least the 8 teams they're going with... all have actual venues: they'll all practice in Arlington, but play in their namesake cities, so there's that. And they kept the best teams with decent venues...
Dispersal drafts will happen in each conference. XFL teams get first crack at Seattle, Orlando, Vegas, and XFL Houston players.
USFL teams get first crack at Canton-based New Jersey and Pittsburgh, Philadelphia (Detroit based) and New Orleans (Memphis based) players. Expect Michigan to take Stars players, and Memphis to take Breakers...
Then there will be a second draft where any team can pick from any signed player. There was some talk to "merging" the two Houston rosters, but instead, the Houston XFL coaching staff is taking over the San Antonio Brahmas.
My inside friend noted they tried to come up with a 10 team solution, no venue/attendance potential other than Seattle made sense... Canton might have worked, but the travel into Canton is a pain. Seattle at least has a major airport, as do the starting 8 cities.
Parked identities for future expansion:
Seattle Sea Dragons (likely first expansion team)
Tampa Bay Bandits
Pittsburgh Maulers
Philadelphia Stars
Other desirable markets:
San Diego, Portland, Phoenix, Atlanta
Nothing else made any initial list. Vegas and Orlando weren't cutting it... too many other things to compete against, and there's the venue problem... Vegas has only an NFL stadium and small college stadium. Need an "in between".
Well, I think this is going probably fail again and I think I know why. It's that they are trying to create a second national pro league, but what they are delivering is clearly a sort of minor league. And the thing about minor leagues is that they do not have national appeal. They're best suited for regional audiences. They don't nationally broadcast AAA baseball games (unless a superstar is on a rehab assignment?). They plunk themselves down in cities that do not have a pro team and then offer a fun day/night out for way cheaper than going to a major league venue.
To some extent that's what they're doing with this UFL, but they clearly have ambitions to duplicate what the original USFL did in the 80's and try and compete at the same level as the NFL. Which failed because they couldn't deliver as good a product as the NFL. There's an open niche, potentially, for minor league football that isn't trying to be major league football and if the UFL can just admit that what they're doing is minor league football, that could lead them to make decisions that will get this to stick. Otherwise, it'll just be another failed league that will stump bar patrons on trivia night in a decade.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on January 05, 2024, 10:32:11 AM
Well, I think this is going probably fail again and I think I know why. It's that they are trying to create a second national pro league, but what they are delivering is clearly a sort of minor league. And the thing about minor leagues is that they do not have national appeal. They're best suited for regional audiences. They don't nationally broadcast AAA baseball games (unless a superstar is on a rehab assignment?). They plunk themselves down in cities that do not have a pro team and then offer a fun day/night out for way cheaper than going to a major league venue.
To some extent that's what they're doing with this UFL, but they clearly have ambitions to duplicate what the original USFL did in the 80's and try and compete at the same level as the NFL. Which failed because they couldn't deliver as good a product as the NFL. There's an open niche, potentially, for minor league football that isn't trying to be major league football and if the UFL can just admit that what they're doing is minor league football, that could lead them to make decisions that will get this to stick. Otherwise, it'll just be another failed league that will stump bar patrons on trivia night in a decade.
Unlike AAA baseball, this league is playing outside the "major" league's season, so there's one advantage.
I've said this before, but this league needs to be heavy on primetime games. Weekend afternoons are full of auto racing and golf, but weekend evenings are light on sports. Their weekend schedule needs to be (times ET):
Saturday 7:30
Sunday 4:00 and 7:30
Monday 7:30
Make the first Sunday night game a battle of the league champions.
At least they've achieved independence from the entire northeastern market. Yeah that's gonna fail real quick.
I think if a secondary pro football league really wanted to be successful, they should play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays during the NFL/college seasons. People have been inside watching football all winter. They[re not going to sit at home all weekend when the weather is much better watching second-rate football games. Even football fans I know go "I watch other things during this time, this isn't football season to me".
Remember that not all NFL fans are general football fans and vice versa as well.