New Jersey

[jeffandnicole]

The state misspelled a town name on a road sign. Good job, Jersey.

In just the latest of what seems like a rash of misspellings on road signs and other highly visible locations, a green state Department of Transportation sign on the eastbound side of the Route 37 causeway, just short of Pelican Island, left out the third "L" in Lavallette.

I assume they'll just put a greenout with the correct spelling over it. Also interesting that they went with an extruded sign for a LGS. Usually they only do that for BGS's and just use flat panels bolted together for the LGS's. Especially as they've been replacing signs all over the state with mixed cased legends (and all sorts of weird sizing and spacing issues).

I took a picture of a sign mis-spelling, and it was printed and I was given credit in the paper many years ago (the paper is in the family of nj.com, although this happened so long ago I couldn't find anything regarding it).  One of the signs for Gibbstown (Exit 16B) off of I-295 spelled it "Gibbtsown".  They somehow took off the two letters and switched them on the sign in the field.  The correction was done so precisely that you couldn't tell that there had ever been an error.

Strange they included a mis-spelling by Hard Rock Casino in the article here, as that has absolutely nothing to do with NJDOT. 

[Alps]

The state misspelled a town name on a road sign. Good job, Jersey.

In just the latest of what seems like a rash of misspellings on road signs and other highly visible locations, a green state Department of Transportation sign on the eastbound side of the Route 37 causeway, just short of Pelican Island, left out the third "L" in Lavallette.

I assume they'll just put a greenout with the correct spelling over it. Also interesting that they went with an extruded sign for a LGS. Usually they only do that for BGS's and just use flat panels bolted together for the LGS's. Especially as they've been replacing signs all over the state with mixed cased legends (and all sorts of weird sizing and spacing issues).

My guess is that because this is a noted contractor error, he's on the hook to replace the sign. If it was a DOT fabricated sign or not noticed until after the contractor was fully paid, then it would be a greenout.


(EDIT: After staring at the sign, I think we all just have a long way to go to be comfortable with mixed case Series D.)

[Don'tKnowYet]

20 most scenic autumn drives in NJ:
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[storm2k]

The state misspelled a town name on a road sign. Good job, Jersey.

In just the latest of what seems like a rash of misspellings on road signs and other highly visible locations, a green state Department of Transportation sign on the eastbound side of the Route 37 causeway, just short of Pelican Island, left out the third "L" in Lavallette.

I assume they'll just put a greenout with the correct spelling over it. Also interesting that they went with an extruded sign for a LGS. Usually they only do that for BGS's and just use flat panels bolted together for the LGS's. Especially as they've been replacing signs all over the state with mixed cased legends (and all sorts of weird sizing and spacing issues).

My guess is that because this is a noted contractor error, he's on the hook to replace the sign. If it was a DOT fabricated sign or not noticed until after the contractor was fully paid, then it would be a greenout.


(EDIT: After staring at the sign, I think we all just have a long way to go to be comfortable with mixed case Series D.)

At least the letters are fairly big. I've found that a lot of the LGS's that the state has been replacing are using a very small sized font that can be difficult to read from a distance.

[jeffandnicole]

Electronically thumbing thru the MUTCD for something else, I came upon the I-295/US 130 split at Exit 13 as an example for APL signage.  In reality, the interchange doesn't exist as it shows, and in real life, the APL signs don't exist at all.  Additionally, well before the 2009 MUTCD edition was ever published, a 4th lane was added for the interchange when they redid Exit 14, and the diagrammatic guide signage was modified to reflect the new conditions.  However, when NJDOT replaced all I-295 signage 10+ years ago, they must've used old plans without ever checking out the field conditions, as the current sign depicts 3 lanes.

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/part2e.pdf, PDF Page 196

In real life:  https://goo.gl/maps/edSTiLsqNo42

You'll note there's 4 lanes, not 3.  Additionally, in the MUTCD example they use "To 130" after the split, although in reality I don't see why TO would be necessary here as 295/130 are overlapping route numbers on the highway so you're already on 130 as you split off from 295.  And again, yes, I know the MUTCD is just an example of what to do, but it's interesting they used this particular interchange, and NJDOT never has actually updated the signage themselves to the new standard!

PS - Deepwater is a stupid control city here.

[PHLBOS]

Electronically thumbing thru the MUTCD for something else, I came upon the I-295/US 130 split at Exit 13 as an example for APL signage.  In reality, the interchange doesn't exist as it shows, and in real life, the APL signs don't exist at all.  Additionally, well before the 2009 MUTCD edition was ever published, a 4th lane was added for the interchange when they redid Exit 14, and the diagrammatic guide signage was modified to reflect the new conditions.  However, when NJDOT replaced all I-295 signage 10+ years ago, they must've used old plans without ever checking out the field conditions, as the current sign depicts 3 lanes.

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/part2e.pdf, PDF Page 196

In real life:  https://goo.gl/maps/edSTiLsqNo42

You'll note there's 4 lanes, not 3.  Additionally, in the MUTCD example they use "To 130" after the split, although in reality I don't see why TO would be necessary here as 295/130 are overlapping route numbers on the highway so you're already on 130 as you split off from 295.  And again, yes, I know the MUTCD is just an example of what to do, but it's interesting they used this particular interchange, and NJDOT never has actually updated the signage themselves to the new standard!

PS - Deepwater is a stupid control city here.

Personally, I prefer the current signage out there since many use this stretch of I-295/US 130 as a means to get to the Commodore Barry Bridge (having such on the main panels makes sense here).  If a control city (rather than a control point/destination) has to be used en lieu of Delaware; I would use Wilmington instead, per what the NJTP did with their newer signs.

[Roadsguy]

Electronically thumbing thru the MUTCD for something else, I came upon the I-295/US 130 split at Exit 13 as an example for APL signage.  In reality, the interchange doesn't exist as it shows, and in real life, the APL signs don't exist at all.  Additionally, well before the 2009 MUTCD edition was ever published, a 4th lane was added for the interchange when they redid Exit 14, and the diagrammatic guide signage was modified to reflect the new conditions.  However, when NJDOT replaced all I-295 signage 10+ years ago, they must've used old plans without ever checking out the field conditions, as the current sign depicts 3 lanes.

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/part2e.pdf, PDF Page 196

In real life:  https://goo.gl/maps/edSTiLsqNo42

You'll note there's 4 lanes, not 3.  Additionally, in the MUTCD example they use "To 130" after the split, although in reality I don't see why TO would be necessary here as 295/130 are overlapping route numbers on the highway so you're already on 130 as you split off from 295.  And again, yes, I know the MUTCD is just an example of what to do, but it's interesting they used this particular interchange, and NJDOT never has actually updated the signage themselves to the new standard!

PS - Deepwater is a stupid control city here.

Plus by the time you get to the actual split, it's more of a "left, left, left/right, right" than a "left, left, left/straight, straight". Even a "straight, straight, straight/right, right" would make more sense.

[bzakharin]

Depending on which part of Wilmington you're going to and when, it may actually be faster to take the Commodore Barry Bridge and use I-95 and/or I-495 South. But Deepwater is not even incorporated, and NJ recently started removing the few unincorporated communities it uses as control points.

[famartin]

But Deepwater is not even incorporated, and NJ recently started removing the few unincorporated communities it uses as control points.

I miss when the Parkway exit for NJ 72 said "Manahawkin/Long Beach Island"

[roadman65]

I do not know why Manahawkin was removed.  Yes its unincorporated, but it was a great point of reference.  Also to replace Camden with Pemberton is maybe a MUTCD following, but most of the traffic heading west on Route 72 goes west on Route 70 once the road terminates.  It does not continue on the Burlington County route to Pemberton.

[J Route Z]

But Deepwater is not even incorporated, and NJ recently started removing the few unincorporated communities it uses as control points.

I miss when the Parkway exit for NJ 72 said "Manahawkin/Long Beach Island"

I believe Manahawkin is now on a supplemental sign. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[famartin]

But Deepwater is not even incorporated, and NJ recently started removing the few unincorporated communities it uses as control points.

I miss when the Parkway exit for NJ 72 said "Manahawkin/Long Beach Island"

I believe Manahawkin is now on a supplemental sign. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is. But it's not the same...

[bzakharin]

I do not know why Manahawkin was removed.  Yes its unincorporated, but it was a great point of reference.  Also to replace Camden with Pemberton is maybe a MUTCD following, but most of the traffic heading west on Route 72 goes west on Route 70 once the road terminates.  It does not continue on the Burlington County route to Pemberton.

According to Google Maps the NJ 72 exit is never the best route to Camden. It's either going south to the Atlantic City Expressway or one of the exits further north that eventually leads to NJ 72. On the other hand, it *is* the best exit to Pemberton from that area.

[jeffandnicole]

I do not know why Manahawkin was removed.  Yes its unincorporated, but it was a great point of reference.  Also to replace Camden with Pemberton is maybe a MUTCD following, but most of the traffic heading west on Route 72 goes west on Route 70 once the road terminates.  It does not continue on the Burlington County route to Pemberton.

According to Google Maps the NJ 72 exit is never the best route to Camden. It's either going south to the Atlantic City Expressway or one of the exits further north that eventually leads to NJ 72. On the other hand, it *is* the best exit to Pemberton from that area.

Even Cherry Hill or Marlton or ANYTHING else would be better than Camden here.

[Alps]

A list of "Jersey freeways" in New Jersey, at least 3-4 interchanges in length:
US 1, US 130 to CR 529
NJ 3 west of NJ 21
NJ 4 east of NJ 208 merge
US 9 from NJ 34 to US 1-9/NJ 35
NJ 17 north of 46
US 22 from US 202/206 through CR 525 interchange
US 22 east of New Providence Rd. in Mountainside
US 30 west of US 130
US 46 from east NJ 159 terminus to Hazel Ave. @ GSP/NJ 19
US 46 from Piaget Ave. split to GSP exit 157
US 46 from Tpk. interchange east
US 202 from CR 567 to I-287
NJ 208
(Defined as having driveways but no intersections/left turns/"at grades")

Did I get them all?

[famartin]

So I just finished this the other day... (I think you'll be able to see the gallery even if you aren't a Facebook user)

https://www.facebook.com/ray.martin/posts/10156542265896605

[NE2]

A list of "Jersey freeways" in New Jersey, at least 3-4 interchanges in length:
Did I get them all?

US 1 from I-295 to Carnegie Center.
US 1 through the Forrestal Campus.
US 1-9 Local in Newark (southbound; northbound is a full freeway).
NJ 3 Local in Secaucus.
NJ 7 has a driveway west of Fish House Road. It's currently only 2 interchanges but will be 3 when the new bridge is done.
NJ 23 north of Alps Road (continuation of a full freeway, which provides the remaining interchanges).
NJ 23 from Center Court in Kinnelon to Echo Lake Road.
NJ 38 west of NJ 70.
I-80 in the Delaware Water Gap.
US 130 in Yardville.
CR 631 at I-80 exit 28.

[Alps]

US 1-9 Local, 3 "local": I treat those more as frontage roads. I'm more interested in two-way highways with driveways, not one-way glorified frontage roads. But point taken.
NJ 23 (Wayne): Not long enough. It's a freeway and an arterial with a short transition zone.
NJ 38: Packaged with US 30 below.
I-80 DWG: Technically all interchanges are with public roads and all driveways are on the ramps or roads. But it's close for an Interstate.
CR 631: Not long enough. I know your next argument is "but it's 3 interchanges", but it's not even 1/2 mile. It's really just a glorified 46/80 complex.
Updated:

A list of "Jersey freeways" in New Jersey, at least 3-4 interchanges in length:
US 1, CR 546 to Carnegie Center Blvd.
US 1, Harrison St. (Penns Neck) through College Rd.
US 1, US 130 to CR 529
NJ 3 west of NJ 21
NJ 4 east of NJ 208 merge
NJ 7 east of CR 508
US 9 from NJ 34 to US 1-9/NJ 35
NJ 17 north of 46
US 22 from US 202/206 through CR 525 interchange
US 22 east of New Providence Rd. in Mountainside
NJ 23 from Center Ct. (Kinnelon) to Echo Lake Rd.
US 30 from PA border to NJ 38 @ 70 split
US 46 from east NJ 159 terminus to Hazel Ave. @ GSP/NJ 19
US 46 from Piaget Ave. split to GSP exit 157
US 46 from Tpk. interchange east
US 130 in Yardville from Groveville Rd. to north NJ 156 terminus
US 202 from CR 567 to I-287
NJ 208
(Defined as having driveways but no intersections/left turns/"at grades")

Did I get them all?

[KEVIN_224]

@FAMARTIN: Your link worked. I also commented on your picture with US Route 130. I have a few state shield pics. My home city of New Britain has parts of CT Routes 9, 71, 71A (not signed coming in from Berlin and ends at Buell Street), 72, 174 and 175. I-84 skims the west end. We have no US routes.

Courtesy of the public Facebook page for New Britain mayor Erin Stewart...most of a CT Route 9/72 assembly behind the veterans and police. That's at the beginning of West Main Street, looking east towards Bank Street. Our City Hall is across the street, out of frame to the left.

[roadman65]

I do not know why Manahawkin was removed.  Yes its unincorporated, but it was a great point of reference.  Also to replace Camden with Pemberton is maybe a MUTCD following, but most of the traffic heading west on Route 72 goes west on Route 70 once the road terminates.  It does not continue on the Burlington County route to Pemberton.

According to Google Maps the NJ 72 exit is never the best route to Camden. It's either going south to the Atlantic City Expressway or one of the exits further north that eventually leads to NJ 72. On the other hand, it *is* the best exit to Pemberton from that area.

No considering heading South the Turnpike from 129 or NJ 70 from 89 is the best, but still most traffic from NJ 72 at its west terminus continues on NJ 70. 

Pemberton? Who goes there? 

[roadman65]

Also this https://goo.gl/maps/vWJ22zKvj3z using Willingboro and North Brunswick as mileage control points suggests this assembly was created in the late 90's when NJDOT updated the mileage signs to use points directly on the route rather than near it.  However, the sign is located on the median which always was a practice that NJDOT did for ages, but if I remember correctly all the new signs of 1998 were all placed to the right side.

This here is an oddity even for NJ.

[storm2k]

Also this https://goo.gl/maps/vWJ22zKvj3z using Willingboro and North Brunswick as mileage control points suggests this assembly was created in the late 90's when NJDOT updated the mileage signs to use points directly on the route rather than near it.  However, the sign is located on the median which always was a practice that NJDOT did for ages, but if I remember correctly all the new signs of 1998 were all placed to the right side.

This here is an oddity even for NJ.

That looks a little bit later to me. Most of the signs done in 1998 were that really dark green for whatever reason.

[roadman65]

Then that is even more odd, as if it were a later replacement it would be carbon copied.  Therefore Trenton would be the final control city as before 1998, Trenton was used up until Bordentown where then New York became the final control city afterwards and North Brunswick was never used. 

Somebody decided to not copy the old and use the newer signs method of using direct control points here.

[jeffandnicole]

US 1-9 Local, 3 "local": I treat those more as frontage roads. I'm more interested in two-way highways with driveways, not one-way glorified frontage roads. But point taken.
NJ 23 (Wayne): Not long enough. It's a freeway and an arterial with a short transition zone.
NJ 38: Packaged with US 30 below.
I-80 DWG: Technically all interchanges are with public roads and all driveways are on the ramps or roads. But it's close for an Interstate.
CR 631: Not long enough. I know your next argument is "but it's 3 interchanges", but it's not even 1/2 mile. It's really just a glorified 46/80 complex.
Updated:

A list of "Jersey freeways" in New Jersey, at least 3-4 interchanges in length:
US 1, CR 546 to Carnegie Center Blvd.
US 1, Harrison St. (Penns Neck) through College Rd.
US 1, US 130 to CR 529
NJ 3 west of NJ 21
NJ 4 east of NJ 208 merge
NJ 7 east of CR 508
US 9 from NJ 34 to US 1-9/NJ 35
NJ 17 north of 46
US 22 from US 202/206 through CR 525 interchange
US 22 east of New Providence Rd. in Mountainside
NJ 23 from Center Ct. (Kinnelon) to Echo Lake Rd.
US 30 from PA border to NJ 38 @ 70 split
US 46 from east NJ 159 terminus to Hazel Ave. @ GSP/NJ 19
US 46 from Piaget Ave. split to GSP exit 157
US 46 from Tpk. interchange east
US 130 in Yardville from Groveville Rd. to north NJ 156 terminus
US 202 from CR 567 to I-287
NJ 208
(Defined as having driveways but no intersections/left turns/"at grades")

Did I get them all?

I thought of 38 and 130, but they didn't meet your 3-4 traffic light requirement. Without that, sections of 70, 73 and 130 West of 295 can be included as well.

[J Route Z]

What type of bulbs are used on state highway traffic lights? I remember they used to be a lower intensity bulb. Some of these old fashioned bulbs are still used in some areas (non-state highways), including Camden, Monmouth, Hudson, and Mercer counties. Example: https://goo.gl/maps/ookd75WKN2C2 When was the transition made? My guess would be around 1999.