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Started by US71, August 04, 2010, 06:54:42 PM

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Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 02, 2021, 05:25:14 PM
i thought 49 just was going straight down to 44 then jumps over an exit west. it's supposed to use 249?

That is what I have heard, but I know of no plans to upgrade 171/old 71

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that needs to be done for this to happen is a free flow interchange from the existing I-49 mainline to MO 171, right?

To my knowledge, yes. I saw a diagram a while back of how to connect 49 with Loop 49/171 , but don't remember where I saw it.
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sparker

Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 02, 2021, 05:25:14 PM
i thought 49 just was going straight down to 44 then jumps over an exit west. it's supposed to use 249?

That is what I have heard, but I know of no plans to upgrade 171/old 71

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that needs to be done for this to happen is a free flow interchange from the existing I-49 mainline to MO 171, right?

To my knowledge, yes. I saw a diagram a while back of how to connect 49 with Loop 49/171 , but don't remember where I saw it.


If MoDOT has mothballed (or simply procrastinated to a functional death) the plans to convert 249/171 into an alternative I-49 alignment, couldn't the present north/east 44/49 interchange be improved with a E>N flyover and S>W ramp improvement?   Might be a cost-effective alternative to the 249-based alignment.

I-39

Quote from: sparker on March 02, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 02, 2021, 05:25:14 PM
i thought 49 just was going straight down to 44 then jumps over an exit west. it's supposed to use 249?

That is what I have heard, but I know of no plans to upgrade 171/old 71

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that needs to be done for this to happen is a free flow interchange from the existing I-49 mainline to MO 171, right?

To my knowledge, yes. I saw a diagram a while back of how to connect 49 with Loop 49/171 , but don't remember where I saw it.


If MoDOT has mothballed (or simply procrastinated to a functional death) the plans to convert 249/171 into an alternative I-49 alignment, couldn't the present north/east 44/49 interchange be improved with a E>N flyover and S>W ramp improvement?   Might be a cost-effective alternative to the 249-based alignment.

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

US71

Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

IF 249/171 is upgraded, would the current alignment north of Diamond/south of Cartage become an extension of MO 59 like when Alt 71 was decommissioned?
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Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

IF 249/171 is upgraded, would the current alignment north of Diamond/south of Cartage become an extension of MO 59 like when Alt 71 was decommissioned?
If that happens, I hope they still keep that section as a 3di. It's still a useful way to get to I-44 if someone is heading to points east of Joplin.
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I-39

Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

IF 249/171 is upgraded, would the current alignment north of Diamond/south of Cartage become an extension of MO 59 like when Alt 71 was decommissioned?

I think it's too early to tell. It will likely be years before the upgrades are completely since MO never wants to raise more funding for transportation.

MikieTimT

Quote from: mvak36 on March 02, 2021, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

IF 249/171 is upgraded, would the current alignment north of Diamond/south of Cartage become an extension of MO 59 like when Alt 71 was decommissioned?
If that happens, I hope they still keep that section as a 3di. It's still a useful way to get to I-44 if someone is heading to points east of Joplin.

That's the rebadge I also had in mind as not all traffic on the northern portion of I-49 goes to/comes from the south or west.  x44/x49.

MikieTimT

Quote from: US71 on March 02, 2021, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 02, 2021, 06:59:50 PM

Nah, it would be better to do the 249/171 alignment as it would eliminate a multiplex with a busy Interstate (I-44). Multiplexes should be avoided if possible.

IF 249/171 is upgraded, would the current alignment north of Diamond/south of Cartage become an extension of MO 59 like when Alt 71 was decommissioned?

What upgrades other than the Carthage interchange would be required?  It's a shorter route for I-49 to be on, and shorter for western I-44 as well, so it makes sense to eliminate the I-44/I-49 multiplex as that stretch needs as much traffic off it as possible.

Avalanchez71

Wow talk about overbuild.  US 71 was upgraded in stages over these years and then now that I-49 is in the area someone feels the need for a I-249?  Why the overbuild?

US71

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 03, 2021, 10:07:43 AM
Wow talk about overbuild.  US 71 was upgraded in stages over these years and then now that I-49 is in the area someone feels the need for a I-249?  Why the overbuild?

Keep MO 249 on the non-upgraded sections.
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Quote from: US71 on March 04, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
I just checked MoDOT's website:  https://www.modot.org/i-49-missouriarkansas-connector

They are saying completion is scheduled for Sept. 30, 2021 

I'm sure if the weather continues to be relatively mild, it may be sooner.


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Avalanchez71

I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

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sturmde

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Too late, it'll be gone shortly.  I-49 will join the Continuum from KC suburbs to Ft. Smith. :D

US71

Quote from: sturmde on March 05, 2021, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Too late, it'll be gone shortly.  I-49 will join the Continuum from KC suburbs to Ft. Smith. :D


49 ends at Alma. You have to follow 40/540/71 to Ft Smith :)
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MikieTimT

Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: sturmde on March 05, 2021, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Too late, it'll be gone shortly.  I-49 will join the Continuum from KC suburbs to Ft. Smith. :D


49 ends at Alma. You have to follow 40/540/71 to Ft Smith :)

Sort of.  There's the AR-549 (Future I-49) stretch from AR-22 to US-71 south of Ft. Smith.  If they'd ever build the stinking bridge and the dozen miles through the bottoms, it would be to Ft. Smith.

msunat97

Quote from: MikieTimT on March 05, 2021, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: sturmde on March 05, 2021, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Too late, it'll be gone shortly.  I-49 will join the Continuum from KC suburbs to Ft. Smith. :D


49 ends at Alma. You have to follow 40/540/71 to Ft Smith :)

Sort of.  There's the AR-549 (Future I-49) stretch from AR-22 to US-71 south of Ft. Smith.  If they'd ever build the stinking bridge and the dozen miles through the bottoms, it would be to Ft. Smith.

That's something that will probably never happen.  Especially with I540 so close to the 49-40 interchange.  Hope I'm wrong however.

US71

Quote from: MikieTimT on March 05, 2021, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: sturmde on March 05, 2021, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Too late, it'll be gone shortly.  I-49 will join the Continuum from KC suburbs to Ft. Smith. :D


49 ends at Alma. You have to follow 40/540/71 to Ft Smith :)

Sort of.  There's the AR-549 (Future I-49) stretch from AR-22 to US-71 south of Ft. Smith.  If they'd ever build the stinking bridge and the dozen miles through the bottoms, it would be to Ft. Smith.

There is also a proposal (years from now) to reroute 540 from roughly Jenny Lind  (Exit 9, 10) to I-49
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I-39

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Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Why?

Because that user is a serial complainer that thinks the whole US highway system is overbuilt. He probably thinks the existing road through Bella Vista should be a narrow 9ft two lane highway.

US71

Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Why?

Because that user is a serial complainer that thinks the whole US highway system is overbuilt. He probably thinks the existing road through Bella Vista should be a narrow 9ft two lane highway.

Bella Vista is a clusterf*ck. When US71 was widened in the 70's, there was almost no allowance to make it controlled access, so all the businesses built too close to the road.
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I-39

Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Why?

Because that user is a serial complainer that thinks the whole US highway system is overbuilt. He probably thinks the existing road through Bella Vista should be a narrow 9ft two lane highway.

Bella Vista is a clusterf*ck. When US71 was widened in the 70's, there was almost no allowance to make it controlled access, so all the businesses built too close to the road.

I agree. My previous post was being sarcastic. That user has a history of posting negative comments against critically needed projects and it's getting annoying. Last week, he basically said I-65 should only be four lanes (two in each direction) in Williamson County, TN (Nashville suburbs). I can't really tell if he's a troll or is being serious.

US71

Today, I managed to make it up to Missouri to check the progress of I-49.

The interchange at MO 90 near Noel appears to be almost ready for paving.

There is a flyover under construction on I-49 at US 71, I'm guessing for NB 49 to merge with NB 71.

I did manage to get photos, which I will post on the I-49 Fakebook page in the next day or two.
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Avalanchez71

Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Why?

Because that user is a serial complainer that thinks the whole US highway system is overbuilt. He probably thinks the existing road through Bella Vista should be a narrow 9ft two lane highway.

Bella Vista is a clusterf*ck. When US71 was widened in the 70's, there was almost no allowance to make it controlled access, so all the businesses built too close to the road.

I agree. My previous post was being sarcastic. That user has a history of posting negative comments against critically needed projects and it's getting annoying. Last week, he basically said I-65 should only be four lanes (two in each direction) in Williamson County, TN (Nashville suburbs). I can't really tell if he's a troll or is being serious.

The back up is no better now with multi lanes then when was four lanes.  So what is the difference?

ChimpOnTheWheel

Quote from: US71 on March 07, 2021, 08:23:35 PM
Today, I managed to make it up to Missouri to check the progress of I-49.

The interchange at MO 90 near Noel appears to be almost ready for paving.

There is a flyover under construction on I-49 at US 71, I'm guessing for NB 49 to merge with NB 71.

I did manage to get photos, which I will post on the I-49 Fakebook page in the next day or two.

Awesome! I've been thinking about going down that way in October just a few weeks after the road is supposedly going to open. Let us know when you got the pictures posted, I speak for all of us when I say we look forward to seeing them.
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skluth

Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: I-39 on March 05, 2021, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 05, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
I say keep the Bella Vista Breezewood.

Why?

Because that user is a serial complainer that thinks the whole US highway system is overbuilt. He probably thinks the existing road through Bella Vista should be a narrow 9ft two lane highway.

Bella Vista is a clusterf*ck. When US71 was widened in the 70's, there was almost no allowance to make it controlled access, so all the businesses built too close to the road.

I agree. My previous post was being sarcastic. That user has a history of posting negative comments against critically needed projects and it's getting annoying. Last week, he basically said I-65 should only be four lanes (two in each direction) in Williamson County, TN (Nashville suburbs). I can't really tell if he's a troll or is being serious.

Thanks. I didn't get it either. Breezewood needs to go the way of Bella Villa, not the other way around. (Fixing Breezewood would also be a reasonably cheap fix - literally two new freeway ramps - but that's another discussion entirely.) I'm definitely not a build-first person, but there are places where upgrading a highway is either needed like Bella Villa or a long-term cost-benefits improvement like the I-11/US 93 bridge over the Colorado. Connecting I-49 at the state border removes a clusterf*** with relatively small environmental impact or displacing disadvantaged people, which makes it a relative no-brainer. It's certainly not the craziness of running I-49 down the middle of Lafayette or yet another expansion of the 20+ lane freeways in Central Houston like some want, including many on other threads on AA Roads.



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