I was reminiscing about how some freeways in my area started/ended abruptly at temporary points that when the rest of the freeway was completed, the start/stop point was eliminated and no formal exit ever replaced it.
Here are a couple from my old stomping grounds:
- SR-8 in Cuyahoga Falls, OH -- Just north of the Graham Road exit, the freeway dumped onto a short 2-lane road which linked to Hudson Drive. This was the temporary end until SR-8's missing link between Graham Road and SR-303 was completed in the early 90s.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cE5T_fmyI0nZkykPBfki604x_XM&usp=sharing
- US-20 in Carlisle Twp. (Oberlin), OH -- Just west of the SR-301 exit, the then SR-10/US-20 freeway dumped onto Butternut Ridge Road (CR-12), a two-lane road which connected the freeway to the old US-20 alignment (Oberlin-Elyria Road). Butternut Ridge became a frontage road in the late 80's when the US-20 freeway was completed to southwest of Parsons Road.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jaNFmY8tRpXv8w85LYoUceVal1M&usp=sharing
I know there are others, especially when the turnpikes ended at or near the state lines. Go!!!
MD-200 (the Intercounty Connector) had its temporary eastern end at Norbeck Road via what was sort of a ramp. It was removed when the road was extended east to I-95 (itself a temporary terminus, but one that was definitely not removed!).
Before the 5 was complete through Seattle, its northern end in Kent had the southbound traffic drive up what became the southbound on-ramp, but the northbound traffic, being forced to exit due to the unfinished freeway, crossed over the median and drove down onto a temporary off-ramp that paralleled the on-ramp, eventually intersecting with the former through route, US-99 (not pictured -- intersection on left of photo is with Kent-Des Moines Road (SSH-5A, now SR-516)). Most temporary freeway endings utilise two complete ramps (one on-ramp and one off-ramp), so this is unusual in that a ramp was built only to later be demolished. The permanent northbound off-ramp required traffic to pass over the arterial and use a loop. I'm guessing the bridge wasn't yet complete, so a temporary off-ramp was built instead.
I'm not sure when the freeway finally opened, but the sat shot below is from 1964.
See on Historic Aerials: https://goo.gl/PPrhZ4
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkITLPGS.jpg&hash=1a68da5903a7ba55753b0cd778c3886642966eec)
How about the 'future' I-99 @ Skytop?
http://rickmastfan67.blogspot.com/2008/08/roadtrip-073108.html
I-710 at Valley Blvd...
Quote from: Bickendan on October 18, 2017, 06:32:10 AM
I-710 at Valley Blvd...
I'm torn. One of the most bizarre freeway ending's in history, the Kansas Turnpike's dead-end (https://ericgartner.com/2016/07/24/an-abrupt-end/) at E 0010 Road at the Oklahoma border, is effectively the same thing as the 710/Valley Blvd interchange. But the 710 junction seems more normal because an interchange was always planned there, and, at least compared to the Kansas Turnpike's ending, it was clear that the freeway was meant to continue on (it doesn't look like a T-junction in the middle of nowhere).
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links. :awesomeface:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fericgartner.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2Fks_turnpike.jpg&hash=d1fc23b3331829b0736ddba3b137b3165646cd01)
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links. :awesomeface:
[shakes fist]
Another from Washington:
The former stub of the 522 freeway in Bothell had an uncomfortable transition from full freeway to arterial road. The freeway was meant to continue west, but was shelved. The junction was reconfigured in 2009 to accommodate a new entrance to the University of Washington-Bothell campus. The curves are more forgiving now.
On Historic Aerials: https://goo.gl/ns6wxa
(https://i.imgur.com/mBEvkPZ.gif)
Between about 1990-92 the I-35 tunnels through Duluth were only open as far as 10th Ave East, where traffic was shunted along a temporary connection onto Superior Street to reach US/MN 61, which followed 12th Avenue East northbound and 14th East southbound in those days.
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0105669,-97.4861131,5515m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0105669,-97.4861131,5515m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Brownsville, TX
Isn't Texas IH 169/SH 550 pretty much a current example of a Freeway built in pieces, using the Texas parallel frontage roads in the current unbuilt freeway miles?
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
Bothell
I'm sure that it's incorrect, but, not ever having been to Washington, I can't help but mentally pronounce this as Bot Hell every time I see it somewhere. Where evil robots go to die.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:20:58 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
Bothell
I'm sure that it's incorrect, but, not ever having been to Washington, I can't help but mentally pronounce this as Bot Hell every time I see it somewhere. Where evil robots go to die.
:-D it's pronounced "bah-thul".
Route 12 in Santa Rosa has an interesting situation where the eastbound lanes of the freeway terminate about a half mile west of where the westbound lanes begin (due to an extension that was canceled)
https://goo.gl/maps/Uejta5W3SVM2
Though it has been in place since the 1970s, the current west end of the Route 58 freeway in Bakersfield at South Real Road is a sudden T intersection in front of the Wild West Shopping Center - a strip mall that has since been closed down to make way for the Westside Parkway connector.
https://goo.gl/maps/nCTGiMvXEio
Route 125's terminus at Route 905/Route 11 in the San Ysidro area of San Diego has the southbound lanes temporarily ending via an offramp to Otay Mesa Road, while the northbound lanes begin right off of Route 905. (From 1972-1986, the final mile of 905 heading to the border crossing was legislatively planned as the southernmost part of Route 125) The final southbound freeway segment to Route 905 is slated to begin construction in 2018 according to Cahighways
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5720733,-116.9512068,3a,75y,132.95h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spnB5zSl-j5JiaDFgqMKENw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Once upon a time, the Western Kentucky Parkway ended out of the blue and merged onto US 62 just west of Princeton. By 1973, the road had been extended to the US 62 exit just east of I-24. The road was still in this condition in 1976. By 1983, I-24 had been completed in this area and the WK Parkway had been extended to meet it.
I remember back when IL-255 was getting built piece-by-piece up towards Godfrey. My usual delivery route didn't take me up to Saint Louis, but every several weeks I would need to cover someone else's route. It seemed like every time I went up there, you could go one exit farther north than the last time.
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 19, 2017, 12:06:51 AM
Isn't Texas IH 169/SH 550 pretty much a current example of a Freeway built in pieces, using the Texas parallel frontage roads in the current unbuilt freeway miles?
I didn't know there was an I-169. Is it going to be extended along TX 550 when the freeway is built?
Quote from: bugo on October 19, 2017, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on October 19, 2017, 12:06:51 AM
Isn't Texas IH 169/SH 550 pretty much a current example of a Freeway built in pieces, using the Texas parallel frontage roads in the current unbuilt freeway miles?
I didn't know there was an I-169. Is it going to be extended along TX 550 when the freeway is built?
I-169 runs along the first 1.5 miles of SH 550 from I-69E, to about the end of the freeway. It is pretty obviously, but as far as I know unstated, planned to be extended as the continuous freeway section is lengthened.
Here's the minute order: https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/114444.pdf (https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/114444.pdf)
Quote from: wxfree on October 19, 2017, 09:41:18 PM
I-169 runs along the first 1.5 miles of SH 550 from I-69E, to about the end of the freeway. It is pretty obviously, but as far as I know unstated, planned to be extended as the continuous freeway section is lengthened.
That's ridiculous. It shouldn't be an interstate until it goes further.
I assume at some far off future date, US 18 will continue west of I-35 south of Clear Lake, Iowa, but for now, it is a pair of C/D lane bridges and half a clover leaf interchange.
Here's the "temporary" ending to CT 11 at CT 82. Clearly see where the road was supposed to continue when they ran out of funds...in 1972!!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nycroads.com%2Froads%2FCT-11%2Fimg15.gif&hash=c73fed962f3ff55b5a7cf6009aac80c80fefdf11)
And the bridges over CT 82 that were never used
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Does Conn COT ever consider extending CT 11 yet?
No. It will never be extended.
The freeway portion of US 31 east of Benton Harbor Michigan
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
That CT 11 bridge over CT 82 looks sort of Tomorrowland/Space-Age in a dated way -- and by coincidence, the construction and opening of CT 11 was about the same period (1969-1972) of America's manned Apollo moon missions.
I'd give both the same chance of resuming anytime soon.
I think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
Hey, what about the John Killpatrik TPike?
https://goo.gl/maps/uN6eeYCfWdA2
QuoteI think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
The roadway did, but
A) that wasn't temporary, and
B) I-229 permanently ends at I-90 with ramps serving all Interstate-to-Interstate movements, and has since initial construction.
The eastern end of the New York Thruway when it was first opened was NY 26. The endpoints obviously changed over time, but there has never been an interchange with NY 26, a pretty major route in its own right.
Mass Pike west end, before it connected to the NY Thruway Berkshire Spur
https://goo.gl/maps/DbXhiM23q6C2
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
I remembered seeing some photos about the dirt road north of I-90. I wondered if it still exists today.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
The freeway portion of US 31 east of Benton Harbor Michigan
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
That's not odd. That's like a lot of other freeways that end at what will someday be full exits. And I remember hearing recently that the route is finally going to be extended to I-94.
Quote from: Strider on October 21, 2017, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
I remembered seeing some photos about the dirt road north of I-90. I wondered if it still exists today.
The road north of I-90 appears to be paved according to the image shown on Google Maps.
I-20/59 used to dump out onto Valley Road in Fairfield, AL before the interstate was completed to Bessemer. Don't know why it just didn't end at Exit 118 a half mile up the highway. The clearing for the temp ramp is still there.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Valley+Rd,+Fairfield,+AL+35064/@33.469245,-86.9348828,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8888e198f7a6f991:0x8c5e33754faf6378 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Valley+Rd,+Fairfield,+AL+35064/@33.469245,-86.9348828,18z/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x8888e198f7a6f991:0x8c5e33754faf6378)
Quote from: Strider on October 21, 2017, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
I remembered seeing some photos about the dirt road north of I-90. I wondered if it still exists today.
I think it is paved now.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 22, 2017, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
The freeway portion of US 31 east of Benton Harbor Michigan
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
That's not odd. That's like a lot of other freeways that end at what will someday be full exits. And I remember hearing recently that the route is finally going to be extended to I-94.
I think the only reason that might be happening is due to a (likely overdue) full reconstruction of I-94 in that area in the near future.
Quote from: ftballfan on November 19, 2017, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 22, 2017, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
The freeway portion of US 31 east of Benton Harbor Michigan
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
That's not odd. That's like a lot of other freeways that end at what will someday be full exits. And I remember hearing recently that the route is finally going to be extended to I-94.
I think the only reason that might be happening is due to a (likely overdue) full reconstruction of I-94 in that area in the near future.
I-94 needs a total makeover from Detroit to Benton Harbor.
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 20, 2017, 12:34:34 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 19, 2017, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 22, 2017, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 20, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
The freeway portion of US 31 east of Benton Harbor Michigan
SAMSUNG-SM-J727A
That's not odd. That's like a lot of other freeways that end at what will someday be full exits. And I remember hearing recently that the route is finally going to be extended to I-94.
I think the only reason that might be happening is due to a (likely overdue) full reconstruction of I-94 in that area in the near future.
I-94 needs a total makeover from Detroit to Benton Harbor.
The part through Kalamazoo was redone recently. I find it hard to believe that I-94 is still two lanes each way around the south side of Ann Arbor and through the US-127 concurrency in Jackson.
The former eastern end of the Elgin O'Hare Expressway (now IL-390). Stopped short at a signal with Meacham (IL-53) and then got to I-290 at a six-ramp parclo. ISTHA recently fixed this IDOT mess.
The old end on Google Maps (for now): https://goo.gl/maps/2gXWrXxvs2P2
Quote from: Brandon on November 22, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
The former eastern end of the Elgin O'Hare Expressway (now IL-390). Stopped short at a signal with Meacham (IL-53) and then got to I-290 at a six-ramp parclo. ISTHA recently fixed this IDOT mess.
The old end on Google Maps (for now): https://goo.gl/maps/2gXWrXxvs2P2
Sad to see, AFAIK, Chicago's only double permissive left go the way of the dodo (Thorndale, left onto Park Blvd). At least this one was replaced by an overpass! A plenty good excuse, admittedly.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 22, 2017, 06:50:25 PM
Sad to see, AFAIK, Chicago's only double permissive left go to the way of the dodo (Thorndale, left onto Park Blvd). At least this one was replaced by an overpass! A plenty good excuse, admittedly.
Is that in the City only? Or in the entire Metro area?
Come to think of it, the only ones I've seen in the Chicagoland area are temp stop lights in Construction zones that allow Dual Permissives...Interesting
In the early '70's, the first segment of I-65 opened in Birmingham. It was only a 3/4-mile segment from I-20/59 south to 6th Avenue North. For a brief time the corresponding northbound exit at 3rd Avenue North was open to accommodate southbound traffic. Traffic on I-65 had to do a virtual 180-degree turn to access the exit.
IIRC, the same layout was done on I-459 southbound at US-31 in Hoover in the late '70's/early '80's.
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 22, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 22, 2017, 06:50:25 PM
Sad to see, AFAIK, Chicago's only double permissive left go the way of the dodo (Thorndale, left onto Park Blvd). At least this one was replaced by an overpass! A plenty good excuse, admittedly.
Is that in the City only? Or in the entire Metro area?
Come to think of it, the only ones I've seen in the Chicagoland area are temp stop lights in Construction zones that allow Dual Permissives...Interesting
Well, I couldn't be sure. I just remember Brandon mentioning that signal in a thread a while back. There could very well be more when looking at the metro as a whole, but IIRC, Chicago, IDOT, and others are not being too keen on the setup.
Quote from: Brandon on November 22, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
The former eastern end of the Elgin O'Hare Expressway (now IL-390). Stopped short at a signal with Meacham (IL-53) and then got to I-290 at a six-ramp parclo. ISTHA recently fixed this IDOT mess.
The old end on Google Maps (for now): https://goo.gl/maps/2gXWrXxvs2P2
on street view the old look
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9901261,-88.0405374,3a,48.6y,107.59h,89.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssrklH2DdYjXW3udCu9gT7w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
I know some guys who love the new road (not the toll part)
Woodhaven Road's "temporary" end (https://goo.gl/maps/R5G54HPssKo) in Northeast Philly is pretty bad.
The end of I-295 near Trenton, NJ before it got extended to I-195 used to end at grade with a road it now does not even interchange with.
Then again for years I-95 used to end at US 13 in Chester, PA where now is a ramp less crossing. So it can be argued that its sacrifices that locals make to accommodate freeway building.
Quote from: DandyDan on October 22, 2017, 05:17:27 AM
Quote from: Strider on October 21, 2017, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 21, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I think I-229 used to turn into a dirt road.
I remembered seeing some photos about the dirt road north of I-90. I wondered if it still exists today.
The road north of I-90 appears to be paved according to the image shown on Google Maps.
From the looks of it 476th Avenue is a dirt road several miles north of the interchange.
I vaguely remember I-890 in Schenectady ending in a U-turn somewhere near the GE plant. It's kind of hazy, but I think the westbound lanes just turned 180 degrees and became the eastbound lanes. It must have been mid-1970's.
The old temporary end of the US 12 freeway between Baraboo and Wisconsin Dells featured a four-lane highway that went through a roundabout. It was as if WisDOT anticipated being stuck unable to build the West Baraboo bypass for a decade or more.
This will show it until Google updates their imagery:
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=43.48889,-89.77668&z=17&t=S (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=43.48889,-89.77668&z=17&t=S)
The aerials are from 2013 and construction had not yet started on the West Baraboo bypass.
Zoom in close to the transition onto the old highway and you can see how they kept the concrete lanes intact and paved in between for the temporary connection to the freeway.
It's also fun to see how they built that next pair of overpasses beyond the end of the freeway when that freeway was constructed. This place is both arrogant and humble in the future prospects for the freeway's southern extension. Turns out arrogant was correct.
The intersection of the Gilcrease Expressway and the L.L. Tisdale Parkway in Tulsa qualifies. Right now, the intersection is an at-grade with a traffic light. East of this light, the Gilcrease is a 4 lane freeway. West of the intersection, it is temporarily a 2 lane road. The Tisdale is a full freeway south of this intersection. To the north, the Tisdale continues about 500 yards and ends at a T intersection with 36th Street North. The future plans are to build a huge stack interchange between the two highways.
The Newberg-Dundee bypass' soon to be temporary ending. I think its the only 2 lane freeway in Oregon but it is planned to be a 4 lane highway eventually (100 years from now or so knowing ODOT).
EDIT: I consider US 101 in Cannon Beach to be a 2 lane freeway despite it being closer to an expressway-type than a freeway type.
In Short Pump, VA, near Richmond, where I-295 ends at I-64. I-295 ended as a half-cloverleaf with 2 loop ramps on the far end, but both ramps had paved stubs continuing on a dozen yards or so, into the woods. One of these loops has since been dug up in favor of a new flyover, but even the roadbed still has a ghost ramp! These extensions were presumably built to eventually fill the missing arc of the loop around town, but it will probably never happen because (1) the remaining section was built further out, as a toll road (VA-288), and (2) the area past those ramps is a lot more developed now, with both a Walmart and a Target practically on top of the roads path!
Hmm, do we have a thread about ghost ramps that were demolished after having never been used?
^ Ummm....VA 288 isn't tolled. But yes it was built farther out. After that change in location occurred, there was a new plan to extend the stubs as a 4-lane arterial to tie into what is now John Rolfe Pkwy south of 250...but of course that didn't happen either.
Quote from: roadman65 on November 30, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
The end of I-295 near Trenton, NJ before it got extended to I-195 used to end at grade with a road it now does not even interchange with.
And when that portion of I-295 was extended to I-195, but prior to the last segment between I-195/NJ 29 and US 130 was completed circa 1994, the highway used to make a sharp bend and
become I-195.
I still remember the original ending of I-170 in Brentwood/ Richmond Heights, MO. You'd be going south and bam you hit 64/40 and Eager Road. There was that obscene loop ramp to 64E and getting onto 170 from WB you used a typical offramp. MO 364 was an eyesore when it was a stub end at Bennington Place (It was still called Route D at that point)
On a side note, was MO 79 supposed to be four lanes into Lincoln Co? Going from 70 where it transitions into Salt Lick Road until O'Fallon where it just goes down to two lanes pretty fast (it's been a few years since I have been up that way.) Even I-64 just ended at the MO River and continued on as 40/61.
Quote from: bugo on December 13, 2017, 05:45:27 PM
The intersection of the Gilcrease Expressway and the L.L. Tisdale Parkway in Tulsa qualifies. Right now, the intersection is an at-grade with a traffic light. East of this light, the Gilcrease is a 4 lane freeway. West of the intersection, it is temporarily a 2 lane road. The Tisdale is a full freeway south of this intersection. To the north, the Tisdale continues about 500 yards and ends at a T intersection with 36th Street North. The future plans are to build a huge stack interchange between the two highways.
Is that interchange going to be built by the city of Tulsa, since those are both city maintained freeways?
I posted this a while ago to a different thread -- but Persiaran Utama 2/3 ("Main Promenade"), a 6-lane arterial in Seremban Dua with one interchange and one future interchange, ends at an abrupt U-turn at the southeast, where there are evident future extension plans. All 3 lanes going southeast do a U-turn to continue northwest.
https://goo.gl/maps/kNjeh9y8Lnu
Quote from: kurumi on January 19, 2018, 11:24:18 AM
I posted this a while ago to a different thread -- but Persiaran Utama 2/3 ("Main Promenade"), a 6-lane arterial in Seremban Dua with one interchange and one future interchange, ends at an abrupt U-turn at the southeast, where there are evident future extension plans. All 3 lanes going southeast do a U-turn to continue northwest.
https://goo.gl/maps/kNjeh9y8Lnu
Reminds me of the South Mall Arterial in Albany.
It isn't the U-Turn on the South Mall that is strange, but the other end: The fact that there was the idea to obliterate Rensselaer at one time to the point they built the bridge to accomodate it is staggering.
CA-244 Sacramento It ends at Heritage Oaks Hospital at Auburn Blvd.
https://heritageoakshospital.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_244
Also Park and Ride on the East End of I-70 in Baltimore is the most famous ending.
^^
Thank god you used size tags! Wouldn't have been able to read your post otherwise.
I-11 in Railroad Pass forces you onto US 93 while the new freeway:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/39773896132_0752faa948_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS)IMG_1588 (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Quote from: roadguy2 on January 19, 2018, 12:09:51 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 13, 2017, 05:45:27 PM
The intersection of the Gilcrease Expressway and the L.L. Tisdale Parkway in Tulsa qualifies. Right now, the intersection is an at-grade with a traffic light. East of this light, the Gilcrease is a 4 lane freeway. West of the intersection, it is temporarily a 2 lane road. The Tisdale is a full freeway south of this intersection. To the north, the Tisdale continues about 500 yards and ends at a T intersection with 36th Street North. The future plans are to build a huge stack interchange between the two highways.
Is that interchange going to be built by the city of Tulsa, since those are both city maintained freeways?
I'm not sure. I don't know if ODOT builts local roads and turns them over to the state or not. It's possible that the part of the Gilcrease just west of the Tisdale will be part of the turnpike, so it would be an OTA/Tulsa owned interchange.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2018, 03:49:13 AM
I-11 in Railroad Pass forces you onto US 93 while the new freeway:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/39773896132_0752faa948_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS)IMG_1588 (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Props to NDOT for finally using descending letter suffixes on these exit numbers. Before, just about every suffixed exit number in the state went A -> B regardless of direction of travel. It's a huge pet peeve of mine -- if the numbers are in reverse order going south or west, the letters should be as well since the corresponding ramps are usually in reverse order.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2018, 03:49:13 AM
I-11 in Railroad Pass forces you onto US 93 while the new freeway:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/39773896132_0752faa948_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS)IMG_1588 (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
It's not so much odd as it is a temporary construction traffic control measure. It would be odd if things had been left like this for several years.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm actually surprised that there's not a temporary "SOUTH" patch over the "BUSINESS" message and no other indication (signage, construction VMS or otherwise) that the business route is still currently mainline US 93... They'll need to make that distinction when the southbound lanes open to US 95 in a few months (US 93 southbound traffic will still take the business route until October, when Phase 2 is expected to be completed).
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 23, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Props to NDOT for finally using descending letter suffixes on these exit numbers. Before, just about every suffixed exit number in the state went A -> B regardless of direction of travel. It's a huge pet peeve of mine -- if the numbers are in reverse order going south or west, the letters should be as well since the corresponding ramps are usually in reverse order.
True, especially given that there won't be two exits in the northbound direction (only the exit to Railroad Pass, no exit to Bus 93). But didn't we somewhat debunk this claim elsewhere?
Quote from: bugo on January 21, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on January 19, 2018, 12:09:51 AM
Quote from: bugo on December 13, 2017, 05:45:27 PM
The intersection of the Gilcrease Expressway and the L.L. Tisdale Parkway in Tulsa qualifies. Right now, the intersection is an at-grade with a traffic light. East of this light, the Gilcrease is a 4 lane freeway. West of the intersection, it is temporarily a 2 lane road. The Tisdale is a full freeway south of this intersection. To the north, the Tisdale continues about 500 yards and ends at a T intersection with 36th Street North. The future plans are to build a huge stack interchange between the two highways.
Is that interchange going to be built by the city of Tulsa, since those are both city maintained freeways?
I'm not sure. I don't know if ODOT builts local roads and turns them over to the state or not. It's possible that the part of the Gilcrease just west of the Tisdale will be part of the turnpike, so it would be an OTA/Tulsa owned interchange.
Either way, it probably whont happen, because... well, ODOT has its reasons
**cough cough, Budget issues**Quote from: roadfro on January 25, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2018, 03:49:13 AM
I-11 in Railroad Pass forces you onto US 93 while the new freeway:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/39773896132_0752faa948_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS)IMG_1588 (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
It's not so much odd as it is a temporary construction traffic control measure. It would be odd if things had been left like this for several years.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm actually surprised that there's not a temporary "SOUTH" patch over the "BUSINESS" message and no other indication (signage, construction VMS or otherwise) that the business route is still currently mainline US 93... They'll need to make that distinction when the southbound lanes open to US 95 in a few months (US 93 southbound traffic will still take the business route until October, when Phase 2 is expected to be completed).
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 23, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Props to NDOT for finally using descending letter suffixes on these exit numbers. Before, just about every suffixed exit number in the state went A -> B regardless of direction of travel. It's a huge pet peeve of mine -- if the numbers are in reverse order going south or west, the letters should be as well since the corresponding ramps are usually in reverse order.
True, especially given that there won't be two exits in the northbound direction (only the exit to Railroad Pass, no exit to Bus 93). But didn't we somewhat debunk this claim elsewhere?
I-11 IS OPEN NOW!!!!!!! as we were driving to Las Vegas last year, i was geeking out when we passed boulder city and the construction site... also, as we were driving on I-40, we passed lots of girders that would be part of I-11. :bigass:
This end of I-11 is not that strange as its getting locals used to the new configuration and that those traveling straight through to Boulder City will now have to take an exit ramp. Yes the sign should cover US 93 Business and when Phase 1 opens it will be the temporary split of US 93 and US 95 and will have to have better signage as well.
A strange one is where I-69's northern segment (original south terminus before it was extended) is where the freeway defaults into an arterial. I-69 at I-465 comes to an abrupt end and transforms into Binford Boulevard. You think that they would have defaulted the main freeway lanes into I-465 and made Binford an exit. Considering that I-69 will use the ramps to I-465 you think they could do that with some minor construction. Although a flyover would be best, I will settle for the small job as money is the issue unless its in the budget for I-69's completion already.
Quote from: roadfro on January 25, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2018, 03:49:13 AM
I-11 in Railroad Pass forces you onto US 93 while the new freeway:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4753/39773896132_0752faa948_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS)IMG_1588 (https://flic.kr/p/23AFBBS) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
It's not so much odd as it is a temporary construction traffic control measure. It would be odd if things had been left like this for several years.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm actually surprised that there's not a temporary "SOUTH" patch over the "BUSINESS" message and no other indication (signage, construction VMS or otherwise) that the business route is still currently mainline US 93... They'll need to make that distinction when the southbound lanes open to US 95 in a few months (US 93 southbound traffic will still take the business route until October, when Phase 2 is expected to be completed).
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 23, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
Props to NDOT for finally using descending letter suffixes on these exit numbers. Before, just about every suffixed exit number in the state went A -> B regardless of direction of travel. It's a huge pet peeve of mine -- if the numbers are in reverse order going south or west, the letters should be as well since the corresponding ramps are usually in reverse order.
True, especially given that there won't be two exits in the northbound direction (only the exit to Railroad Pass, no exit to Bus 93). But didn't we somewhat debunk this claim elsewhere?
The weird part I thought was that the "Business" could just be covered up temporarily which would give some continuity to the route with US 93. It would be nice to have some sort of temporary US 95 signage but it isn't like you can avoid the junction on the outskirts of Boulder City. Either from what you posted in the other I-11 threads it sounds like much of the bypass of Boulder City is opening fairly soon.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
A strange one is where I-69's northern segment (original south terminus before it was extended) is where the freeway defaults into an arterial. I-69 at I-465 comes to an abrupt end and transforms into Binford Boulevard. You think that they would have defaulted the main freeway lanes into I-465 and made Binford an exit. Considering that I-69 will use the ramps to I-465 you think they could do that with some minor construction. Although a flyover would be best, I will settle for the small job as money is the issue unless its in the budget for I-69's completion already.
I'm guessing that this is an artifact of the original plan to bring I-69 all the way down to the north junction of I-65 and I-70 downtown.
Quote from: MCRoads on January 25, 2018, 09:26:40 PM
I-11 IS OPEN NOW!!!!!!! as we were driving to Las Vegas last year, i was geeking out when we passed boulder city and the construction site... also, as we were driving on I-40, we passed lots of girders that would be part of I-11. :bigass:
Not quite... It's only a short portion of I-11 between the end of I-515 and the turnoff to future US 93 Business (current mainline US 93/95) that is open. The more substantial stretch bypassing Boulder City will open in October 2018.
Also, you likely didn't see new parts of I-11 with those girders–to my knowledge, all bridges on that project are cast-in-place concrete (possibly some of the flyovers might be pre-cast). However, if they were steel girders heading towards Vegas, they might have been for the Project Neon I-15 to US 95 HOV flyover ramp...
TX: SH249 end for about ten years. I did love the fact they did the frontage roads first so highway construction wasn't too bad to travel around.
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.032437,-95.6046327,1314m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
I-140 in Knoxville, Tennessee suddenly dumps all traffic onto a stoplight intersection at TN-33 in between Rockford and Alcoa.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8116431,-83.9428481,14z
The plan was to extend the highway all the way down to US 321 in Maryville to connect it with Knoxville, but TDOT ran out of money and shows no desire to complete it anyways.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 01:26:55 PM
I-140 in Knoxville, Tennessee suddenly dumps all traffic onto a stoplight intersection at TN-33 in between Rockford and Alcoa.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8116431,-83.9428481,14z
The plan was to extend the highway all the way down to US 321 in Maryville to connect it with Knoxville, but TDOT ran out of money and shows no desire to complete it anyways.
Project is still on TennDOT's website:
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/projects/projects-region-1/pellissippi.html
(https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/infoonprojectsregion1/Project_Area_Map.jpg)
Which isn't to say they're able to move forward with it for sure. But it appears to be "shovel ready" if some money comes along.
Quote from: mrcmc888 on February 03, 2018, 01:26:55 PM
I-140 in Knoxville, Tennessee suddenly dumps all traffic onto a stoplight intersection at TN-33 in between Rockford and Alcoa.
I'm not sure that would qualify as "odd". This thread is only about freeways that have temporary endings, but it's mostly about those that have an
odd temporary ending. A half-built diamond interchange seems to be about as normal a temporary ending as you can get. An odd variation of that might be one of the ramps supporting both directions of traffic (see reply #2), or an overpass being built, but only being utilised in one direction (see reply #13).
That said, I'm not the OP.
thenetwork makes the final call.
In that spirit, I-990 strikes me as interesting. Sure, it looks like a normal stub, but at closer inspection it turns out only the northbound lanes utilize the stub ramps. Southbound is just the mainline, and would need to be ripped up were the road to actually be extended. Although, whether it qualifies as "temporary" is really up for debate.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0474611,-78.7348908,926m/data=!3m1!1e3
Ronald Reagan Parkway in Gwinnett County in Northeast Atlanta has odd temporary endings at BOTH ends:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9141009,-84.1142842,17.25z
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8737112,-84.0164472,943m/data=!3m1!1e3
There has been talk of extending it in both directions; the most recent attempt to connect it to I-85 was going to make it a toll connection except the numbers didn't work out.
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links. :awesomeface:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fericgartner.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2Fks_turnpike.jpg&hash=d1fc23b3331829b0736ddba3b137b3165646cd01)
This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested. So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.
Quote from: vdeane on February 06, 2018, 12:43:03 PM
In that spirit, I-990 strikes me as interesting. Sure, it looks like a normal stub, but at closer inspection it turns out only the northbound lanes utilize the stub ramps. Southbound is just the mainline, and would need to be ripped up were the road to actually be extended. Although, whether it qualifies as "temporary" is really up for debate.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0474611,-78.7348908,926m/data=!3m1!1e3
Very strange that they'd build it in such a way that they'd have to destroy the southbound carriageway for the road to be extended. I definitely can't recall seeing something like this before. Virtually all diamond stubs have two of the four ramps built.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links.
http://ericgartner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ks_turnpike.jpg
This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested. So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.
It's just the state line. The Kansas Turnpike Authority had no rights to build in Oklahoma.
Considering I-990's history, it's likely the "stub" was built with no intention of ever actually extending it and may well exist only to get traffic moving at 65 mph to slow down in preparation for the intersection. The "ramp" is unusually close to where the northbound carriageway would be, and in any case, the road originally ended one exit back. I'm pretty sure that this extension was only built after it was clear that the originally planned route to Lockport wasn't happening, to provide a more direct connection to NY 263. I don't think the original plans for the road even had it crossing NY 263 at all.
The northern piece of SR 429 currently ends at CR 435, where no interchange is planned once construction is done.
http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7789134,-81.5271769,3a,75y,47.37h,81.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D251.57986%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Not really an odd temporary end but rather a beginning.
When the i295 beltway in Jacksonville was built in the SE quadrant in the late 1990s early 2000s there was stub ramps for the future SR9b( future future i795) when 9b actually started the merge was changed so a rebuild less than 10 years later.. now it's being modified to allow for express lanes on 295
Z981
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
The northern piece of SR 429 currently ends at CR 435, where no interchange is planned once construction is done.
http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7789134,-81.5271769,3a,75y,47.37h,81.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D251.57986%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
I need to go check that out in the daylight.. I drove through there last weekend but it was dark
Z981
I-280 in San Francisco its north end is located near AT&T park. But originally I-280 was going to touch I-80@CA-480 when AT&T park was an industrial ground for ship building.
Quote from: vdeane on February 06, 2018, 02:26:32 PM
Considering I-990's history, it's likely the "stub" was built with no intention of ever actually extending it and may well exist only to get traffic moving at 65 mph to slow down in preparation for the intersection. The "ramp" is unusually close to where the northbound carriageway would be, and in any case, the road originally ended one exit back. I'm pretty sure that this extension was only built after it was clear that the originally planned route to Lockport wasn't happening, to provide a more direct connection to NY 263. I don't think the original plans for the road even had it crossing NY 263 at all.
So I guess it's not really a temporary ending at all. I can see why they might install chicanes for a freeway-ending situation (similar setup on I-5 at the Canadian border (https://goo.gl/FGP7Kp)), but the extra concrete and the barriers are very indicative of extension plans. Perhaps there was a plan for a northbound-to-northbound overpass?
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
The northern piece of SR 429 currently ends at CR 435, where no interchange is planned once construction is done.
http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7789134,-81.5271769,3a,75y,47.37h,81.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D251.57986%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?
Quote from: jakeroot on February 06, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?
The ultimate configuration will be an overpass with no access.
Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 06, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?
The ultimate configuration will be an overpass with no access.
Oh I see. Would have helped if I looked at the satellite imagery.
The US 67 freeway in Arkansas once ended at AR 18 near Diaz at an at-grade intersection with no ramps. When they extended it northward, they built a diamond interchange with a bridge over US 67.
Quote from: TheStranger on October 19, 2017, 01:11:24 PM
Route 12 in Santa Rosa has an interesting situation where the eastbound lanes of the freeway terminate about a half mile west of where the westbound lanes begin (due to an extension that was canceled)
https://goo.gl/maps/Uejta5W3SVM2
Though it has been in place since the 1970s, the current west end of the Route 58 freeway in Bakersfield at South Real Road is a sudden T intersection in front of the Wild West Shopping Center - a strip mall that has since been closed down to make way for the Westside Parkway connector.
https://goo.gl/maps/nCTGiMvXEio
Route 125's terminus at Route 905/Route 11 in the San Ysidro area of San Diego has the southbound lanes temporarily ending via an offramp to Otay Mesa Road, while the northbound lanes begin right off of Route 905. (From 1972-1986, the final mile of 905 heading to the border crossing was legislatively planned as the southernmost part of Route 125) The final southbound freeway segment to Route 905 is slated to begin construction in 2018 according to Cahighways
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5720733,-116.9512068,3a,75y,132.95h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spnB5zSl-j5JiaDFgqMKENw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
on the first one the land is still there. are they going to make it a bikeway or something?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links. :awesomeface:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fericgartner.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2Fks_turnpike.jpg&hash=d1fc23b3331829b0736ddba3b137b3165646cd01)
This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested. So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.
I don't know how people went flying off the end. wouldn't you put signage up?
People don't pay attention to signage, especially women
Quote from: Brian556 on February 09, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
People don't pay attention to signage, especially women
Women weren't allowed to drive when the Kansas Pooway opened.
FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46. Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed. However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.
Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
Quote from: Brian556 on February 09, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
People don't pay attention to signage
More than that, it was just unexpected. No amount of signage can prepare you for an 80-mph freeway dead-ending at a farm road in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46. Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed. However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.
Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
Will 429 meet I-4 with 417. I don't recall if it will form a seamless connection with 417
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Quote from: jwolfer on February 10, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46. Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed. However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.
Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
Will 429 meet I-4 with 417. I don't recall if it will form a seamless connection with 417
Z981
I think so. It will take over the existing SR 46 completely and then near Sanford dip down to meet SR 417 head on. So both SR 417 and SR 429 together will for an almost complete beltway around Orlando. What makes it never to be a closed loop is the fact that SR 429 ends at I-4's Exit 60 while SR 417 ends at I-4's Exit 62 more than three miles away.
Prior to the extension of MD 32 west to US 29 and the Middle Patuxent River, the dual carriage way ended at an at-grade intersection with Guilford Road, at the spot where a set of power lines cross MD 32 today. Historic Aerials has excellent photos of the temporary at grade intersection and the ramps that led down to the formerly concrete carriageways that were built with the interchange.