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Started by CapeCodder, January 31, 2018, 11:16:00 AM

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PHLBOS

Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
I'm surprised you didn't include MA 203 on your list.

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Mapmikey

Quote from: fillup420 on January 31, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 31, 2018, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: HazMatt on January 31, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
In NC there are plenty that end at or near the coast, which are kind of trivial.  I'll list the ones I know besides those.

NC 90 - Ends in Edgemont at Blue Ridge Escarpment.
NC 128 - Mount Mitchell access
NC 114 - Short route that ends in Drexel
NC 5 - Ends at Malcolm Blue Farm in Aberdeen
NC 153 - Ends at old US 29 in Landis.
NC 184 - Ends in Beech Mountain.
NC 151, NC 694 - End at the Blue Ridge Parkway, which technically isn't a numbered route in NC (I think).  I wouldn't count them.
NC 194, NC 103, NC 903 don't continue as primary highways in Virginia.  I believe TN, GA, and SC continue all as primary (or TN secondary but they still have a shield).

Also for NC:
NC 149
US 117
NC 125
NC 56
NC 53
NC 213
NC 9
NC 461

Also NC 39 ends at Virginia line without continuing as primary
Also,

US 74 - dead end in Wrightsville beach north end
US 76 - dead end at Wrightsville beach south end
US 421 - dead end in Fort Fisher
NC 12 - basically dead ends into the ocean
NC 211 - ends at a ferry
NC 90 - one of only two unpaved state routes. Ends at a secondary road.

If we are including ones by the ocean now, there is also US 70, NC 50, NC 210, NC 130, NC 906, NC 133, NC 87, NC 904, NC 307, NC 33, NC 304, NC 400, NC 345, NC 344, NC 136, NC 343, NC 58

Though it may not be posted yet, NC 211 has been extended across the ferry to US 421.

South Carolina does not have near as many:  US 21, US 52, US 78, SC 802, SC 116, SC 174, SC 171, SC 700, SC 703, SC 304, SC 64, SC 419, SC 260, SC 165, SC 122, SC 461, SC 216,  plus one at a state line: SC 57

MNHighwayMan

A couple further ends I remembered (looking at a map helps!)

Iowa 122's east end is at the Mason City east limits, where the road continues as a county road.

Iowa 281's west end is at the Waterloo city limits, continuing west as a city street (Independence Ave).

webny99

Are we including routes that end at county routes, or not?

corco

There are too many to count in Montana and Wyoming

MNHighwayMan

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 04:25:24 PM
Are we including routes that end at county routes, or not?

I and a few others have been, so I guess the consensus is yes, we are.

hotdogPi

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 31, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
The title of this thread leaves little to be desired for those of us with vivid imaginations  :eyebrow:

Is that better?

Did you intend it to be?
It is, but only slightly.

ETA: TIL that when someone changes the thread title, it changes it for all further replies unless you change it back manually.

If you quote a post, it takes the title of the quoted post. Otherwise, it takes the title of the OP.
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wxfree

#32
Texas Farm to Market Roads have some good ones based on length and isolation.  For the first two examples, the whole road is a hanging end, with no intersections after the one where the road begins.  FM 2810 begins at US 90 in Marfa and goes 32 miles with no intersections before ending at a gravel road that continues to FM 170, mentioned below.  FM 169 starts at US 67 south of Marfa and goes 25 miles with no intersections to end at a gravel road.

FM 170 enters Presidio from the east, and continues out to the west.  It goes 48 miles to end at a gravel road, with no intersections with state roads.  It does intersect Pinto Canyon Road, which is the road at the end of FM 2810.  This road isn't all a hanging end, but close to half of it is.

FM 2119 is a 40-mile long road that's all hanging end, but it has county road intersections, unlike the first two (shorter) examples.

As a double example, FM 2185 starts at SH 54 in Van Horn and continues 41 miles to a gravel road.  Its only other state road intersection is at FM 2809, which is another hanging end that ends at a gravel road.  It's a 46-mile double-headed (double-tailed?) hanging end system.
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freebrickproductions

#33
Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 31, 2018, 01:05:23 PM
If we're talking about the route having to end at another state route, US route, or Interstate, then here are a few from Alabama:
AL 255 is technically "hanging" on both ends. It's southern terminus is at Gate 9 for Redstone Arsenal and it's current northern terminus is Bob Wade Lane on the north side of Huntsville.

AL 281 ends at two unpaved roads and a parking lot in the middle of Talladega National Forrest.

AL 101 ends at CR 460 in Lawrence County, AL. The road had originally been AL 24, but it was rerouted to the north when the road got widened though AL 101 was never truncated to match this change.

AL 62 is a rather infamous example of one, with the west end being at a locked gate for a long-closed factory (especially since the road got state route status after said factory closed).

Other states also have a few state routes that end at the Alabama State Line, but don't have an AL state route on the other side:
GA 301's northern terminus at the AL State Line is CR 90 in Jackson County, AL.

TN 121's southern end at the AL State Line is Winchester Road (unsigned CR 65) in Madison County, AL.

Likewise, TN 274's southern end at the AL State Line is Old Railroad Bed Road in Madison County, AL.

TN 98 is another route ending at the AL State Line that leads to a county route, this time CR 89 in Lauderdale County, AL.

In a non-Alabama example: GA 97 ends at the Florida State Line and leads directly into CR 269A in Gadsden County, FL. CR 269A used to be FL 269A years ago, but Florida decommissioned a bunch of these daughter and suffixed routes state wide to be able to build the Interstates in the state without having to go over their state mileage cap.
A few more from Alabama:
AL 182 ends just before a cul-de-sac in the Gulf Shores area.

The west end of AL 180 is at this ferry in Gulf Shores, AL.

AL 193 ends right as you get onto Dauphin Island.

AL 217's western end is at CR 21 in Mobile County, AL.

Also, MS 614's eastern end at the Alabama State Line does not have any state highway it connects to, instead connecting to CR 56 in Mobile County, AL.
Similar situation for MS 612 and CR 7 in Mobile County, AL, along with MS 594 and CR 96.

In a reverse situation, AL 56 ends at the Mississippi state line, but doesn't have a state route that it connects to, though Mississippi signs it as "To AL 56" from US 45 and it appears that the road is state maintained between the two (it lacks a route number of its own though).

If anyone wants to post more routes that end at the Alabama state lines but don't have state routes on the Alabama side, feel free to.
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webny99

Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 31, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
The title of this thread leaves little to be desired for those of us with vivid imaginations  :eyebrow:

Is that better?

Did you intend it to be?
It is, but only slightly.

ETA: TIL that when someone changes the thread title, it changes it for all further replies unless you change it back manually.

If you quote a post, it takes the title of the quoted post. Otherwise, it takes the title of the OP.

Oh. Makes sense, I guess.
I see other new replies do have the original title again (which I still think leaves a bit to be desired).

vdeane

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 11:53:28 AM
NY 590 used to be one. I'm not sure where it officially ends now, but I think it's at NY 104.
Signage and reference markers end at Titus, but many NYSDOT sources, including the Traffic Data Report, still have it ending near Sea Breeze.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

formulanone

#36
More from Alabama:

AL 227 just decides it doesn't feel like being a state route at the county line in Duck Springs.

AL 261 ends a triplet of opposing county routes in Helena. (Four different numbered routes at one intersection; can't say I've seen this anywhere else.)

AL 257 winds north from Jasper, but then becomes Winston County 41 after the Walker County line along a much greater distance to AL 157.

Quote from: freebrickproductions on January 31, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Similar situation for MS 612 and CR 7 in Mobile County, AL, along with MS 594 and CR 96.

If anyone wants to post more routes that end at the Alabama state lines but don't have state routes on the Alabama side, feel free to.

With the exception of the 1xx routes (old US route alignments), it seems Mississippi signs a lot of the three-digit routes sporadically, at best. There might be two approaching the intersection, another at the junction, and one a few hundred feet later for reassurance, but that's it.

fillup420

If I remember correctly, UT 211 has a posted end at a seemingly random spot on the way to Canyonlands National Park Needles district.

US 89

#38
Quote from: fillup420 on January 31, 2018, 08:04:15 PM
If I remember correctly, UT 211 has a posted end at a seemingly random spot on the way to Canyonlands National Park Needles district.

Yes, 211 ends at a place called Dugout Ranch. The rest of the way to Needles is a county road.

Jim

How many route "hang" at both ends like New York 171?  Main Street in Frankfort out to a county road.  It crosses NY 5S but without an interchange, so you can't even get to it from another state/US/I highway.

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froggie

^ Relating to Jim's post, does anyone know if IA 165 in Carter Lake, IA still exists?  If so, then not only can you not get to it directly from another state/US/Interstate highway, but you have to drive through Nebraska to get to it.  It's a salient surrounded by Omaha, NE and caused by a realignment of the Missouri River.  Abbott Dr on both sides is an Omaha city street.

webny99

That's a whole thread of its own: Roads in a given state/county/etc. that are only accessible by leaving and then re-entering.

I-15 does this in Arizona. You have to go through either Utah or Nevada to get to the rest of Arizona by road.

hotdogPi

Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 09:43:57 PM
That's a whole thread of its own: Roads in a given state/county/etc. that are only accessible by leaving and then re-entering.

I-15 does this in Arizona. You have to go through either Utah or Nevada to get to the rest of Arizona by road.

I-15 doesn't end at the state border.
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MNHighwayMan

Quote from: froggie on January 31, 2018, 09:36:48 PM
^ Relating to Jim's post, does anyone know if IA 165 in Carter Lake, IA still exists?  If so, then not only can you not get to it directly from another state/US/Interstate highway, but you have to drive through Nebraska to get to it.  It's a salient surrounded by Omaha, NE and caused by a realignment of the Missouri River.  Abbott Dr on both sides is an Omaha city street.

I believe it does. Jason Hancock's website certainly indicates that it does.

webny99

#44
Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 09:43:57 PM
That's a whole thread of its own: Roads in a given state/county/etc. that are only accessible by leaving and then re-entering.

I-15 does this in Arizona. You have to go through either Utah or Nevada to get to the rest of Arizona by road.

I-15 doesn't end at the state border.

Well, of course. Hence:
Quotethat's a whole thread of it's own

Thing 342

#45
Coastal VA has a bunch that end at or near the water (non-exhaustive, doing my best to exclude ones that end at secondaries):
VA-354 (Boat ramp in Senora)
VA-222 (Dead end in Weems)
VA-33 (Dead end in Deltaville)
VA-14 (Dead end in Matthews)
VA-171 (Dead end at Messick Pt in Poquoson)
VA-172 (Ends at unnumbered routes in Poquoson)
VA-173 (Dead end in Newport News)
VA-175 (Ends at unnumbered streets in Chincoteague)
VA-125 has a gap with two hanging ends, caused by the removal of a bridge that was never replaced.
I-264 (Ends at 2 unnumbered streets in VB)

There are also the few that end at military bases (VA-178 -> Langley AFB, VA-105 -> Ft. Eustis)

These are otherwise sorta hard to find in VA (outside of pure dead-ends), mostly since pretty much every route outside of the independent cities and a few counties has some sort of secondary number.

silverback1065

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 31, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
Since Indiana started turning over their urban sections of state highways to cities and decommissioning them, there are a whole bunch in Indiana, plus several others that already existed due to ending at state lines or the Ohio River and not meeting up with a numbered highway from the neighboring state.

one that comes to mind is IN 257

any island routes?  like iowa 165.  neither connects, nor crosses another highway

jp the roadgeek

Quote from: 1 on January 31, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
CT 272

A few more CT routes:

CT 4: East end becomes town maintained Farmington Ave in West Hartford
CT 15: South end becomes the Hutchinson River Parkway, an unsigned NYS reference route
CT 17: South end becomes city maintained portion of Middletown Ave. in New Haven
CT 32: South end at Crystal Ave in New London
CT 34: West end at local road in Newtown.  Despite popular belief, does not continue through Sandy Hook to US 6
CT 70: West end becomes unsigned SR 801 at Cheshire/Waterbury line, which is left hanging on East Main St in Waterbury
CT 83: South end is at town maintained New London Turnpike in Glastonbury
CT 99: North end becomes city maintained Wethersfield Ave in Hartford
CT 104: North end becomes a town road across the NY border
CT 124: North end becomes a town road (that used to be part of NY 124) across the NY border
CT 159: South end becomes Main St in Hartford
CT 163: North end at unsigned SR 608 in Bozrah
CT 173: North end becomes town maintained South Main St in West Hartford at Hooker Dr.
CT 176: North end becomes city maintained Newington Ave in Hartford
CT 349: South End at Shennecossett Rd in Groton
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

renegade

#48
Quote from: ftballfan on January 31, 2018, 12:39:58 PM
Michigan has quite a few:
M-5 (northwestern end at Pontiac Trail in Commerce Twp)
M-8 (eastern end at Conant St in Detroit)
M-10 (northwestern end at Orchard Lake Rd/14 Mile Rd in West Bloomfield)
M-37 (northern end at the tip of the Old Mission Peninsula)
US-41 (northern end at Fort Wilkins State Park)
US-45 (northern end at Ontonagon St in Ontonagon)
M-46 (western end at Muskegon Ave in Muskegon)
M-64 (southern end at Wisconsin state line, connecting to CTH-B)
M-77 (northern end at Carlson St in Grand Marais)
M-93 (southwestern end at Camp Grayling and northeastern end at Hartwick Pines State Park)
M-95 (southern end at Wisconsin state line, connecting to CTH N)
M-116 (northern end at Ludington State Park)
M-119 (northern end at C-66 in Cross Village)
M-121 (western end at Main Ave in Zeeland, just 500 feet away from BL I-196)
M-134 (eastern end at Townline Rd on Drummond Island)
M-137 (southern end at Interlochen State Park)
M-143 (western end at Lansing/East Lansing city limit)
M-149 (northern end at Palms Book State Park)
M-150 (northern end at Tienken Rd in Rochester Hills)
M-152 (western end at Van Buren/Berrien county line in the Sister Lakes area, two miles short of M-140)
M-154 (northern end at ferry connection to mainland and southern end along South Channel Dr, both on Harsens Island)
M-183 (southern end at Fayette State Park)
M-188 (southeastern end at VFW National Home near Eaton Rapids)
BS I-196 (eastern end at Clyde Park Ave in Wyoming; the portion in Grand Rapids was turned back to local control last year)
M-201 (northern end at Leelanau State Park)
M-211 (northern end at Onaway State Park)
M-212 (western end at Aloha State Park)
M-217 (southern end at Indiana state line, connecting to CR 17)
M-125 hangs at the Ohio state line (becomes N. Detroit Ave).
Likewise, Ohio 64 hangs at the Michigan state line (becomes Loar Hwy).
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Quote from: webny99 on January 31, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
This is going from bad to worse  :rofl:

And that is an understatement... This is turning into a thread for off-topic instead of GHT In my opinion.
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