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Proposed US 412 Upgrade

Started by US71, May 22, 2021, 02:35:11 PM

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swake

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 03, 2022, 06:38:55 PM
Stitt being from Tulsa doesn't hurt either.

Except that he wasn't governor when the Driving Forward plan was developed. Oklahoma City's Mary Fallin was. Driving forward had a total of 5 new miles of turnpikes in the Tulsa area (less than a mile actually in Tulsa) compared to 28 miles in the Oklahoma City area.

Access Oklahoma under Stitt is even more unbalanced. It also has just 5 miles of new turnpikes for the Tulsa area compared to 55 new miles for Oklahoma City.


Scott5114

Mary Fallin is from Tecumseh, not Oklahoma City. (They happen to share a Congressional district so she was often denoted as "R-Oklahoma City" while in Congress, but her policies tended to skew toward favoring the rural parts of the state.)
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swake

Quote from: Scott5114 on October 03, 2022, 07:11:16 PM
Mary Fallin is from Tecumseh, not Oklahoma City. (They happen to share a Congressional district so she was often denoted as "R-Oklahoma City" while in Congress, but her policies tended to skew toward favoring the rural parts of the state.)

And Stitt is actually from Jenks. As is Joy Hoffmeister who is running against him.

Scott5114

Jenks is a suburb of Tulsa. Tecumseh is not a suburb of anything–it's a good thirty minute drive through the woods from Norman.
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swake

Ok, back to topic.

On the new 8-Year plan it looks like Oklahoma is planning to have US-412 from I-35 to Siloam Springs upgraded to interstate standards very quickly. Over $100 million in work is on the schedule by 2029 and it looks like that may well be everything excluding any turnpike work and whatever is done around Siloam Springs.

West of Tulsa:
Diamond Head Drive by Lake Keystone:
2026 $400k - ROW and Utilities
2029 $10 million — Interchange

East of Tulsa
2024 I-44/US-412/OK-66 Interchange - $30 million
2024 I-44 to Verdigris River pavement rehab - $23.3 million
2024 US-412P New bridges and exit - $13.9 million
2024 Co Rd 4170 New bridges and exit - $11.7 million
2028 Verdigris River to OK-88 ROW - $750k
2029 Co Rd 4190 New bridges and exit - $10 million
2029 OK-88 to Cherokee Turnpike ROW - $750k
2029 Co Rd 4240 New bridges and exit - $10 million

Plutonic Panda

^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Scott5114

"schedule"

Plenty of stuff that was in the pipeline for 2023 on the last 8-year plan now shows 2025. "2029" on the 8-year plan just means they might get around to it before Star Trek takes place.

I'll believe it when the cones come out.
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Plutonic Panda

I just don't get it. There's record investment from the feds in infrastructure and the state of Oklahoma is posting record revenue. I understand there's inflation going on but this is ridiculous. I really thought we were going to get a nice treat with his new 8 year plan. But this one is worse than the last.

bugo

Actually Kevin Shitt was born in Florida and grew up in Norman. He graduated from NHS. He's your guy. We don't claim him.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: bugo on October 03, 2022, 09:00:26 PM
Actually Kevin Shitt was born in Florida and grew up in Norman. He graduated from NHS. He's your guy. We don't claim him.
Kevin Stitt claims to reppin Tulsa so

swake

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 03, 2022, 09:00:26 PM
Actually Kevin Shitt was born in Florida and grew up in Norman. He graduated from NHS. He's your guy. We don't claim him.
Kevin Stitt claims to reppin Tulsa so

Stitt cares nothing for Tulsa or for anything not named Stitt.

Scott5114

Quote from: bugo on October 03, 2022, 09:00:26 PM
Actually Kevin Shitt was born in Florida and grew up in Norman. He graduated from NHS. He's your guy. We don't claim him.

There's been a good deal of consternation in the OKC area about why all of these big business projects he's been trying and failing to land have been directed to the Tulsa, and never the OKC area. But I suppose it doesn't really matter much if none of the projects ever happen. But really...

Quote from: swake on October 03, 2022, 09:25:18 PM
Stitt cares nothing for Tulsa or for anything not named Stitt.

...is probably closest to the truth.
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J N Winkler

Stitt is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, so I wonder if that is why people think he has Tulsa ties.  (The Osage/Cherokee/Creek tripoint is basically the northwest corner of the Inner Distributor Loop.)
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

swake

Quote from: J N Winkler on October 03, 2022, 11:46:55 PM
Stitt is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, so I wonder if that is why people think he has Tulsa ties.  (The Osage/Cherokee/Creek tripoint is basically the northwest corner of the Inner Distributor Loop.)

He's a fake Cherokee:

https://www.hcn.org/articles/indigenous-affairs-the-cherokee-nation-once-fought-to-disenroll-gov-kevin-stitts-ancestors

And it's the Inner Dispersal Loop. Just call it the IDL  :sombrero:

rte66man

Quote from: J N Winkler on October 03, 2022, 11:46:55 PM
Stitt is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, so I wonder if that is why people think he has Tulsa ties.  (The Osage/Cherokee/Creek tripoint is basically the northwest corner of the Inner Distributor Loop.)

Isn't Gateway Mortgage based in Broken Arrow?
When you come to a fork in the road... TAKE IT.

                                                               -Yogi Berra

swake

Quote from: rte66man on October 04, 2022, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 03, 2022, 11:46:55 PM
Stitt is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, so I wonder if that is why people think he has Tulsa ties.  (The Osage/Cherokee/Creek tripoint is basically the northwest corner of the Inner Distributor Loop.)

Isn't Gateway Mortgage based in Broken Arrow?

Jenks

splashflash

US-412 bridge over Verdigris River demolished in one BANG

The $13.8 million bridge replacement project began Sept. 6 on US-412 in Rogers County, according to ODOT.

ODOT says work is expected to be done in late 2023.

https://www.fox23.com/news/highway-412-bridge-over-verdigris-river-demolished-one-bang/BZCASX4GOVHR7AMV4WUGD3JYWY/

MikieTimT

Quote from: splashflash on October 18, 2022, 11:30:32 PM
US-412 bridge over Verdigris River demolished in one BANG

The $13.8 million bridge replacement project began Sept. 6 on US-412 in Rogers County, according to ODOT.

ODOT says work is expected to be done in late 2023.

https://www.fox23.com/news/highway-412-bridge-over-verdigris-river-demolished-one-bang/BZCASX4GOVHR7AMV4WUGD3JYWY/

Will be a sizable chunk of the work that needs to happen on the OK side, but don't see anything in the above 8 year plan to deal with the Neosho/Grand River crossing and exits for 4340/412B.  I wonder if the plan is to continue the Cherokee Turnpike westward from where it bends back north to tie back into old US-412 and construct a new Neosho/Grand River crossing to the south of the current one and keep the current in place for local/old US-412 access.

edwaleni

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?
I-35/I-240 interchange.

edwaleni

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 19, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?
I-35/I-240 interchange.

Thanks.

rte66man

Quote from: edwaleni on October 20, 2022, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 19, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?
I-35/I-240 interchange.

Thanks.

I see almost $100 million scheduled for FFY2025 for that interchange. Add in what has already been done and what is scheduled for this year and that is a good chunk of change. How is that neglect? I agree its not as fast as I would prefer but it isn't neglect.
When you come to a fork in the road... TAKE IT.

                                                               -Yogi Berra

Bobby5280

With the way ODOT (and the OK state government) has been doing things, I'd be surprised if the I-240/I-35 interchange is completed before 2030.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: rte66man on October 28, 2022, 07:09:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 20, 2022, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 19, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?
I-35/I-240 interchange.

Thanks.

I see almost $100 million scheduled for FFY2025 for that interchange. Add in what has already been done and what is scheduled for this year and that is a good chunk of change. How is that neglect? I agree its not as fast as I would prefer but it isn't neglect.
I don't know how to further explain myself. This interchange should have been finished 10 years ago. They keep kicking the can down the road. To me that's neglect.

edwaleni

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 29, 2022, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: rte66man on October 28, 2022, 07:09:38 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 20, 2022, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 19, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on October 03, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
^^^ that bullshit came at the expense of further neglecting one of the busiest interchanges in the state. What a joke.

Help me out, which one got neglected?
I-35/I-240 interchange.

Thanks.

I see almost $100 million scheduled for FFY2025 for that interchange. Add in what has already been done and what is scheduled for this year and that is a good chunk of change. How is that neglect? I agree its not as fast as I would prefer but it isn't neglect.
I don't know how to further explain myself. This interchange should have been finished 10 years ago. They keep kicking the can down the road. To me that's neglect.

Looks like they want to build a flyover.



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