2024 Summer Olympics Thread

[mgk920]

but unless they renounce their USA citizenship and swear to whatever other country (ie, India or Pakistan), they would still play for team USA.

Mike

[english si]

but unless they renounce their USA citizenship and swear to whatever other country (ie, India or Pakistan), they would still play for team USA.

Why? You can have dual citizenship alongside US citizenship (which, if you live abroad and look like staying there, you might want to renounce anyway as the IRS - almost(?) uniquely - taxes you there on top of the country you live in), and a better chance of money and glory if you play for a top tier country (as international cricket makes up the majority of the standing around a player in money-filled club competitions like the IPL), which the USA isn't.

They might play for Team USA if they aren't good enough for whatever top side is most relevant - but the 'not good enough for other top sides' candidates is not the grounds for a top side that is likely to medal.

Also cricket has strong tendencies towards people playing for their adopted nation, rather than the one of their birth (3 of England's last 5 captains have been born abroad in strong cricketing countries, moving to Britain at 6, 12 and 20 - yes 20!).

[jgb191]

but unless they renounce their USA citizenship and swear to whatever other country (ie, India or Pakistan), they would still play for team USA.

You can have dual citizenship alongside US citizenship

I don't know about surrounding countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka, but I heard that the Indian national government itself does not allow dual citizenship with any other country, so you can only be a citizen of one or the other and only play for whomever your passport represents.  US Citizens with OCI and PIO are still US Citizens and are no longer allowed to carry Indian Passport.  I know of US-naturalized citizens, born in India, who had to renounce their Indian citizenship immediately after being naturalized as citizens.

I don't know the playing criteria for Indian Citizens with Green Cards (resident of US)...I wonder if the US allows Green Card holders the option of representing the US.

[NWI_Irish96]

but unless they renounce their USA citizenship and swear to whatever other country (ie, India or Pakistan), they would still play for team USA.

Why? You can have dual citizenship alongside US citizenship (which, if you live abroad and look like staying there, you might want to renounce anyway as the IRS - almost(?) uniquely - taxes you there on top of the country you live in), and a better chance of money and glory if you play for a top tier country (as international cricket makes up the majority of the standing around a player in money-filled club competitions like the IPL), which the USA isn't.

They might play for Team USA if they aren't good enough for whatever top side is most relevant - but the 'not good enough for other top sides' candidates is not the grounds for a top side that is likely to medal.

Also cricket has strong tendencies towards people playing for their adopted nation, rather than the one of their birth (3 of England's last 5 captains have been born abroad in strong cricketing countries, moving to Britain at 6, 12 and 20 - yes 20!).

Joel Embiid has both French and American citizenship. He chose to represent the US in the Olympics, which is why he was constantly booed by the French fans.

[elsmere241]

Joel Embiid has both French and American citizenship. He chose to represent the US in the Olympics, which is why he was constantly booed by the French fans.

And he's said a couple of things about that experience: 1) he's found a way to be a better team player [as a 76ers fan I sincerely hope so] and 2) in 2028 he's going to play for Cameroon, his native country.

[mgk920]

You quickly find out just how many Canadians, Russians, Scandinavians, etc. play in the NHL when the Winter Games roll around, too.

Mike

[JayhawkCO]

You quickly find out just how many Canadians, Russians, Scandinavians, etc. play in the NHL when the Winter Games roll around, too.

Mike

Or, more succinctly, how few Americans play in the NHL.

[elsmere241]

You quickly find out just how many Canadians, Russians, Scandinavians, etc. play in the NHL when the Winter Games roll around, too.

Mike

Or, more succinctly, how few Americans play in the NHL.

One of the gags from the movie Slap Shot in the mid-1970s was a TV clip where two "hockey greats" were being introduced.  For the first, the host listed a bunch of accomplishments, and then said of the second, "He's a U.S. citizen."

[english si]

Joel Embiid has both French and American citizenship. He chose to represent the US in the Olympics, which is why he was constantly booed by the French fans.

So he decided to play for more favoured country in his sport, where he plays in the lucrative league, rather than the Olympic hosts? That's my point wrt Indian-Americans playing cricket, that if they were good enough to have the opportunity, they'd choose to play for India.