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Started by planxtymcgillicuddy, April 12, 2022, 10:27:25 AM

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kphoger

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 13, 2022, 12:16:27 PM
riding a Duck

Huh.  I didn't realize till now that they're bringing that back this season.  It's been nearly four years since that freak tragic accident.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.


brad2971

Quote from: HighwayStar on April 12, 2022, 10:20:59 PM
Basically the entire state of California lost its charm, as have places with too many imported Californians (Oregon, Washington, Colorado).

I actually find that in terms of "charm" the Rustbelt holds up surprisingly well. Although the towns are depressing in many ways, and some of them crime and drug ridden, the overall look and feel of the place still reminds me of a better era in America that passed us by. The notable exception are the Rustbelt towns like Pittsburgh that pretend they have fixed everything by inviting in some hipsters to gentrify a few blocks and call it good. Those places lack both the charm of the Rustbelt and the real economic engine the left to boot.

Numerous locations affected by the blight of gambling also have lost their charm. Parts of PA, MT, OK, and FL come to mind. Once the casinos move in its all downhill from there.

I would humbly submit for your consideration that the towns of Lead and Deadwood in South Dakota are much more pleasant places for both locals and tourists under the regime of gaming than when Homestake Mining and its open-pit mining competitors overlorded both communities. The 1980s were full of decline and rot on the Main streets of both communities.

abefroman329

Quote from: MikieTimT on April 13, 2022, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with it back in the day, but I'm sure my wife would say Branson.

Locals especially resent the Landing having been constructed on top of what was once the downtown lakeside, exchanging a quiet fishing spot for parking garages and national-chain retail outlets.  (Now don't get me wrong, they do like to go to Bass Pro Shops, but they feel a twinge of guilt whenever they do.)

My wife remembers when all you had to do for free or discounted admission to Silver Dollar City was to show your local paystub.  Now it's quite a bit more difficult even for locals.  (We've been fortunate enough to know the owners, so we occasionally have an inside track that way.)  Silver Dollar City itself seems to have gradually been shifting from a country/redneck atmosphere to a rides-oriented atmosphere.

The shortcuts that used to work, avoiding the traffic backups on the Strip, no longer work because they're advertised as alternate routes on city-published maps.  There's no longer any good way to get across town, no matter how well you know the streets like the back of your hand.

Unless going to Silver Dollar City, riding a Duck, or watching one of the shows at Sights and Sounds Theatre, Branson really only appeals to the really old or really young nowadays.  Most everything else can be found in other places without the traffic hassles.  I do like to eat at Landry's every time we go, though.
Ever been to Lambert's?  I've been to the one in Alabama and it was fun.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: abefroman329 on April 13, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on April 13, 2022, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with it back in the day, but I'm sure my wife would say Branson.

Locals especially resent the Landing having been constructed on top of what was once the downtown lakeside, exchanging a quiet fishing spot for parking garages and national-chain retail outlets.  (Now don't get me wrong, they do like to go to Bass Pro Shops, but they feel a twinge of guilt whenever they do.)

My wife remembers when all you had to do for free or discounted admission to Silver Dollar City was to show your local paystub.  Now it's quite a bit more difficult even for locals.  (We've been fortunate enough to know the owners, so we occasionally have an inside track that way.)  Silver Dollar City itself seems to have gradually been shifting from a country/redneck atmosphere to a rides-oriented atmosphere.

The shortcuts that used to work, avoiding the traffic backups on the Strip, no longer work because they're advertised as alternate routes on city-published maps.  There's no longer any good way to get across town, no matter how well you know the streets like the back of your hand.

Unless going to Silver Dollar City, riding a Duck, or watching one of the shows at Sights and Sounds Theatre, Branson really only appeals to the really old or really young nowadays.  Most everything else can be found in other places without the traffic hassles.  I do like to eat at Landry's every time we go, though.
Ever been to Lambert's?  I've been to the one in Alabama and it was fun.

Did you get a throwed roll?

kphoger

There's not even a Lambert's in Branson, AFAIK.  There's one on the far south end of Springfield, down toward Ozark...
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

abefroman329

Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 13, 2022, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 13, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on April 13, 2022, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with it back in the day, but I'm sure my wife would say Branson.

Locals especially resent the Landing having been constructed on top of what was once the downtown lakeside, exchanging a quiet fishing spot for parking garages and national-chain retail outlets.  (Now don't get me wrong, they do like to go to Bass Pro Shops, but they feel a twinge of guilt whenever they do.)

My wife remembers when all you had to do for free or discounted admission to Silver Dollar City was to show your local paystub.  Now it's quite a bit more difficult even for locals.  (We've been fortunate enough to know the owners, so we occasionally have an inside track that way.)  Silver Dollar City itself seems to have gradually been shifting from a country/redneck atmosphere to a rides-oriented atmosphere.

The shortcuts that used to work, avoiding the traffic backups on the Strip, no longer work because they're advertised as alternate routes on city-published maps.  There's no longer any good way to get across town, no matter how well you know the streets like the back of your hand.

Unless going to Silver Dollar City, riding a Duck, or watching one of the shows at Sights and Sounds Theatre, Branson really only appeals to the really old or really young nowadays.  Most everything else can be found in other places without the traffic hassles.  I do like to eat at Landry's every time we go, though.
Ever been to Lambert's?  I've been to the one in Alabama and it was fun.

Did you get a throwed roll?
Yep, caught it and everything.

abefroman329

Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 01:17:11 PM
There's not even a Lambert's in Branson, AFAIK.  There's one on the far south end of Springfield, down toward Ozark...
Yeah, it bills itself as "halfway between Branson and Ozark," and my parents stopped there on the way to (or from) Branson.

kphoger

Quote from: abefroman329 on April 13, 2022, 01:43:19 PM

Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 01:17:11 PM
There's not even a Lambert's in Branson, AFAIK.  There's one on the far south end of Springfield, down toward Ozark...

Yeah, it bills itself as "halfway between Branson and Ozark," and my parents stopped there on the way to (or from) Branson.

:eyebrow:  It isn't.  It's north of Ozark.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Takumi

Virginia Beach. So much traffic. So much development.
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Don't @ me. Seriously.

D-Dey65

Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 12, 2022, 12:32:22 PM
Orlando. The theme parks are for the kids, and then there's just not much else in the area.
What I often find is that Downtown Orlando south of FL 50 and west of the SunRail Line looks really skeevy.



XamotCGC

Louisville Kentucky. 

It's no longer an exciting place to visit compared to the 1990s. 
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 13, 2022, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 12, 2022, 12:32:22 PM
Orlando. The theme parks are for the kids, and then there's just not much else in the area.
What I often find is that Downtown Orlando south of FL 50 and west of the SunRail Line looks really skeevy.

Lake Eola has its moments of niceness, especially on weekends.  Orange Avenue (old US 17-92) is very industrial south of downtown and OBT is probably the retreaded tire capital of the world. 

kevinb1994

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 07:08:42 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 13, 2022, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on April 12, 2022, 12:32:22 PM
Orlando. The theme parks are for the kids, and then there's just not much else in the area.
What I often find is that Downtown Orlando south of FL 50 and west of the SunRail Line looks really skeevy.

Lake Eola has its moments of niceness, especially on weekends.  Orange Avenue (old US 17-92) is very industrial south of downtown and OBT is probably the retreaded tire capital of the world.
I did stay off Orange Ave. once at a then-new hotel. It was right near the train station (Amtrak) and you could hear the trains roll by, with the crossing signals working.

ozarkman417

Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with it back in the day, but I'm sure my wife would say Branson.

Locals especially resent the Landing having been constructed on top of what was once the downtown lakeside, exchanging a quiet fishing spot for parking garages and national-chain retail outlets.  (Now don't get me wrong, they do like to go to Bass Pro Shops, but they feel a twinge of guilt whenever they do.)
At least they still have Rockaway Beach as a quiet fishing spot...


Rockaway Beach is a great example of a town losing its charm. In the 1940s and 50s, Rockaway Beach was a bigger deal than Branson in terms of tourism. The warm waters of Lake Taneycomo was the town's main draw. This all changed when said warm waters became frigid, as a result of the construction of Table Rock Dam. The tourists left Rockaway, in favor of the warmer waters of the new Table Rock Lake west of Branson.
If casino developers got their way, Rockaway Beach would have been reborn in a way... at a cost. Even so, this would require Missouri to amend its constitution, for casinos are only allowed on the banks of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers. If the White River was added to the list, casino construction would be legal in Branson (on the state level).

J N Winkler

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 12, 2022, 08:59:25 PMIn general I feel there's not really much for an adult to do anywhere if they don't drink, especially at night when any museums or such have closed for the day.

I don't drink. I like restaurants, but I can only eat one place at a time, and it takes a few hours before I can try the next one. I can go to a cool park, but after a little bit, what do I do now?

I'm not a teetotaller, but I'm also not a barfly, clubber, or theatre-goer, and when I visit a large metro area, I often find I have to do some things outside regular business hours in order to see and do everything that interests me.

*  Los Angeles:  I visited Griffith Park, Angels Flight, Union Station, the Second Street and Third Street tunnels, and Parker Center (old LAPD HQ, now demolished) at night before I caught the subway back to South LA to pick up my car for a freeway cruise.

*  Dallas:  I went to the Meadows Museum on the SMU campus during late-evening opening hours.

*  Houston:  I visited the main campus of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts during late-evening opening hours and, on my way back to my parked car, took pictures of the light show along the bridges over US 59/I-69.

*  San Antonio:  A fair amount of my exploration of the Riverwalk took place outside business hours, including after dark.

*  St. Louis:  I explored Forest Park and the Washington University campus in the early evening, after museums had closed.

*  Minneapolis-St. Paul:  I ended up seeing the Mall of America in the evening on a Sunday since the Minneapolis Institute of Art had the tighter opening hours.

I think the key is to cultivate broad interests and to be comfortable on one's own, even if this means being out on the streets alone after dark.  Especially in alpha world cities like NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles, I often feel I'm squeezing my sleeping time more than I'd like.
"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

Stephane Dumas

Some parts of Montreal had lost their charm like Plateau Mont-Royal while other parts like NDG (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce) seem to be better. I remember the time when Laval was a blend of farmland and suburbs parts who was former villages, towns amalgated in 1965 but there was less farmland than before.

To think then Lachute and St-Jérôme looked more far away from Montreal and they morphed into exburbs.

Btw, that reminds me of a thread I saw once on Skyscraperpage forums about neighborhoods you wouldn't recognize. https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245761   One example of a street who seem to have lost of his charm to my eyes. https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9184567&postcount=64

Another example on Laurier Blvd in Quebec City, the nice cottages and bungalows shown in 2012 are replaced with that building.
https://goo.gl/maps/uX9agr8nzwwAxReQA
https://goo.gl/maps/3jeYWejwaGTLuWgYA

bing101

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest?
https://www.sacog.org/post/sacramento-region-grows-while-state-loses-population-overall

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/08/13/sacramento-region-california-show-increased-diversity-in-2020-census-results/
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/05/20/data-dive-local-population-grows-despite-state.html


Good point yes there are parts of California losing population because of other states starting to attract tech jobs like North Carolina and Texas or music and movie productions associated with Los Angeles moving to Nashville and Atlanta on recent years. 

Max Rockatansky

#67
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest?
https://www.sacog.org/post/sacramento-region-grows-while-state-loses-population-overall

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/08/13/sacramento-region-california-show-increased-diversity-in-2020-census-results/
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/05/20/data-dive-local-population-grows-despite-state.html


Good point yes there are parts of California losing population because of other states starting to attract tech jobs like North Carolina and Texas or music and movie productions associated with Los Angeles moving to Nashville and Atlanta on recent years.

The inferred point that I was trying to make was two fold.  Most of the people leaving California are going to places like Phoenix, Boise and Texas.  The vast majority of those relocating aren't exactly the "hipster"  types that the likes of Mr. Barb Wire seems to think comprises 100% of the populace of California.  I suspect that this is also a primary driver why a lot of intrastate migration in California is to the Central Valley cities.  But whatever, Mr. Barb Wire probably assumes I'm also by default the hipster stereotype he has in mind also as being the only inhabitant of California. 

Then again, maybe it's just the Detroit and Chicago years in my youth that making the prospect of going back vexing?  I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the Midwest, but what it that they supposedly offer now that wasn't already gone by the late 1990s? 

HighwayStar

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2022, 01:22:17 AM
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest?
https://www.sacog.org/post/sacramento-region-grows-while-state-loses-population-overall

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/08/13/sacramento-region-california-show-increased-diversity-in-2020-census-results/
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/05/20/data-dive-local-population-grows-despite-state.html


Good point yes there are parts of California losing population because of other states starting to attract tech jobs like North Carolina and Texas or music and movie productions associated with Los Angeles moving to Nashville and Atlanta on recent years.

The inferred point that I was trying to make was two fold.  Most of the people leaving California are going to places like Phoenix, Boise and Texas.  The vast majority of those relocating aren't exactly the "hipster"  types that the likes of Mr. Barb Wire seems to think comprises 100% of the populace of California.  I suspect that this is also a primary driver why a lot of intrastate migration in California is to the Central Valley cities.  But whatever, Mr. Barb Wire probably assumes I'm also by default the hipster stereotype he has in mind also as being the only inhabitant of California. 

Then again, maybe it's just the Detroit and Chicago years in my youth that making the prospect of going back vexing?  I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the Midwest, but what it that they supposedly offer now that wasn't already gone by the late 1990s?

There is a major self selection bias at play though. Californians that go to Texas or Boise tend to be fed up with how badly run the state is and are seeking the opposite.
Californians that go to Portland or Seattle are the ones that want to live in a slightly more scenic version of the same place they left and tend to make it resemble California.
There are those who travel, and those who travel well

Flint1979

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2022, 01:22:17 AM
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest?
https://www.sacog.org/post/sacramento-region-grows-while-state-loses-population-overall

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/08/13/sacramento-region-california-show-increased-diversity-in-2020-census-results/
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/05/20/data-dive-local-population-grows-despite-state.html


Good point yes there are parts of California losing population because of other states starting to attract tech jobs like North Carolina and Texas or music and movie productions associated with Los Angeles moving to Nashville and Atlanta on recent years.

The inferred point that I was trying to make was two fold.  Most of the people leaving California are going to places like Phoenix, Boise and Texas.  The vast majority of those relocating aren't exactly the "hipster"  types that the likes of Mr. Barb Wire seems to think comprises 100% of the populace of California.  I suspect that this is also a primary driver why a lot of intrastate migration in California is to the Central Valley cities.  But whatever, Mr. Barb Wire probably assumes I'm also by default the hipster stereotype he has in mind also as being the only inhabitant of California. 

Then again, maybe it's just the Detroit and Chicago years in my youth that making the prospect of going back vexing?  I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the Midwest, but what it that they supposedly offer now that wasn't already gone by the late 1990s?
I was in Detroit yesterday and rode around for awhile. I was downtown and on the west side not much of the east side and thought it really doesn't have the charm it did in the 90's but with Midtown and New Center starting to redevelop now it seems more interesting to be there.

Max Rockatansky

#70
^^^

I figured out for myself in high school that the 2.3 kids, a white picket fence and a dog life style in suburbs of Detroit wasn't for me.  I ended up leaving for Phoenix during the summer of 2001.  Phoenix was great when the metro area had about 3 million residents.  At the time the metro area was affordable and a really nice place to live, trouble was a lot of people also figured that out.  When it tipped over 4 million and you had to commute 20-30 miles to get to work from somewhere affordable it began to suck, or "lose its charm."   I ended up leaving for Florida and gave that a try from 2013-2016.  Florida was great financially, but was a incredibly place (see my subjective comments above on Orlando) to live.  I ended up coming back west during 2016 to the Central Valley in California.  So far I'm happy where I'm at, but people are figuring out Fresno is affordable.

Quote from: HighwayStar on April 14, 2022, 01:38:52 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2022, 01:22:17 AM
Quote from: bing101 on April 14, 2022, 01:11:30 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest?
https://www.sacog.org/post/sacramento-region-grows-while-state-loses-population-overall

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2021/08/13/sacramento-region-california-show-increased-diversity-in-2020-census-results/
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2021/05/20/data-dive-local-population-grows-despite-state.html


Good point yes there are parts of California losing population because of other states starting to attract tech jobs like North Carolina and Texas or music and movie productions associated with Los Angeles moving to Nashville and Atlanta on recent years.

The inferred point that I was trying to make was two fold.  Most of the people leaving California are going to places like Phoenix, Boise and Texas.  The vast majority of those relocating aren't exactly the "hipster"  types that the likes of Mr. Barb Wire seems to think comprises 100% of the populace of California.  I suspect that this is also a primary driver why a lot of intrastate migration in California is to the Central Valley cities.  But whatever, Mr. Barb Wire probably assumes I'm also by default the hipster stereotype he has in mind also as being the only inhabitant of California. 

Then again, maybe it's just the Detroit and Chicago years in my youth that making the prospect of going back vexing?  I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on the Midwest, but what it that they supposedly offer now that wasn't already gone by the late 1990s?

There is a major self selection bias at play though. Californians that go to Texas or Boise tend to be fed up with how badly run the state is and are seeking the opposite.
Californians that go to Portland or Seattle are the ones that want to live in a slightly more scenic version of the same place they left and tend to make it resemble California.

But where oh where are the hipster variety that is soiling the Midwest as you so eloquently say?  Also, where is this the data on this mass exodus of Californians to places like Seattle and Portland?  All the same, why would it be odd for someone to relocate to an area more in line with their personal mode of life or as you say "self selection bias?"

kphoger

Quote from: ozarkman417 on April 13, 2022, 08:21:48 PM

Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
I wasn't familiar with it back in the day, but I'm sure my wife would say Branson.

Locals especially resent the Landing having been constructed on top of what was once the downtown lakeside, exchanging a quiet fishing spot for parking garages and national-chain retail outlets.  (Now don't get me wrong, they do like to go to Bass Pro Shops, but they feel a twinge of guilt whenever they do.)

At least they still have Rockaway Beach as a quiet fishing spot...


Rockaway Beach is a great example of a town losing its charm. In the 1940s and 50s, Rockaway Beach was a bigger deal than Branson in terms of tourism. The warm waters of Lake Taneycomo was the town's main draw. This all changed when said warm waters became frigid, as a result of the construction of Table Rock Dam. The tourists left Rockaway, in favor of the warmer waters of the new Table Rock Lake west of Branson.
If casino developers got their way, Rockaway Beach would have been reborn in a way... at a cost. Even so, this would require Missouri to amend its constitution, for casinos are only allowed on the banks of the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers. If the White River was added to the list, casino construction would be legal in Branson (on the state level).

I stayed in Rockaway Beach for the first time a few Christmases ago, in a cabin down by the lake (one advantage of having a mother-in-law who has spent nearly her entire working life in the service industry in the Branson area is that it's fairly easy to get an inside lodging hook-up).  While I wouldn't necessarily call it "charming", I did enjoy my time there.  Pizza Cellar still seems to be a popular old-style joint full of locals chatting it up and pounding back a few.

But the whole area in and around Branson is just this really disorienting combination of tourists, rednecks, churchgoers, meth heads, and the not-just-occasional combination thereof.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

hbelkins

I've never been to Branson. Closest I've come was when my vehicle broke down at the US 65/US 160 interchange back in 2013 when I was trying to collect counties and pick up mileage on US 160 on my way to the Wichita meet.

The consensus around these parts was just as Branson got going with its various shows, Pigeon Forge took over and attracted all the major things that had once drawn people to Branson.

Quote from: XamotCGC on April 13, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Louisville Kentucky. 

It's no longer an exciting place to visit compared to the 1990s.

When did that open sewer of a city ever have charm?


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

TheHighwayMan3561

#73
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 13, 2022, 11:01:26 AM
Where are these supposed hipster Californians relocating in the Midwest? 

I would say Minneapolis is a choice but definitely not the first choice for hipster relocation because of its climate, both meteorologically and politically. The PNW rain might get grating, but you don't have to shovel that. And politically while the metro is as hipster-favorable as anywhere, the state level is enough less so to keep important hipster priorities like legal weed out of play for the moment.
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ET21

Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2022, 10:21:47 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 13, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
Definitely Chicago. For many years, it was the second-largest city in America, but then a lot of people left, and it just went downhill from there. The area around Wrigley Field was once a beautiful neighborhood, but the advertisements on the rooftops beyond the outfield wall ruined its vibe. Outside the Navy Pier and the Loop, there certainly isn't much to see anymore, and this is coming from someone who was born and raised there.

Really?  Chicago is probably my favorite city to visit, although I haven't set foot there since 2007.  You can keep Navy Pier, but what about Ukrainian Village, or Hyde Park, or Lincoln Park, or Michigan Avenue and the Chicago River, or Logan Square, or the North Avenue beach?

-Ukrainian Village is seeing a big uptick, especially with recent world events
-Hyde Park is the same
-Lincoln Park is the same, albeit more expensive (you could say that for the whole city)
-Michigan Ave took a big hit between the pandemic and the 2020 civil unrest. It's currently in a flux and not sure if it wants to stay high end retail or start mixing things up. It's losing the Mag Mile charm pretty quickly.
-Chicago River has been a bright spot, especially after the new renovated sections between LSD/Columbus and Michigan to Wolf Point.
-Logan Square is the same
-North Ave Beach is the same
The local weatherman, trust me I can be 99.9% right!
"Show where you're going, without forgetting where you're from"

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IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90



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