We need Inigo Montoya to tell CNN this headline does not say what they think it does.
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My favorite example is still "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" vs. "helping your uncle jack off a horse."
Also, maybe "hummer" is an acceptable use of the term in the military, as "jeep" was once upon a time.
If LeBron could afford a Hummer while he was in high school, someone was running seriously afoul of amateurism guidelines. I thought he was a poor kid who got rich by going straight to the NBA.
I wonder if Elon Musk doesn't respect the Securities and Exchanges Commission or the Southeastern Conference. Or both.
My favorite example of this:
https://www.acornonline.com/HN3281.html (https://www.acornonline.com/HN3281.html)
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
Meanwhile, capitalization of Apple inc. exceeded $1 trillion at some point...
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Quote from: GaryV on December 10, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Apparently not.
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 10, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Apparently not.
It helps to re-read the post AFTER hitting "submit" button.
We do have an edit option here..
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
There's a few good examples of when the Oxford comma can be useful.
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 10, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Apparently not.
When we are paid to post in threads, then we can nitpick each other. Unless I forgot to check one of the lesser-known options during the registration process...
Anyhow, don't think too hard about the average free article you find on the internet. They probably churned it out to receive $5, spent an hour typing it, an "editor" checked to make sure it didn't say "GODZILLA'S TITS LEAK PEPSI", there wasn't anyone naked in the images, and then they all moved onto the next task.
Quote from: formulanone on December 10, 2018, 05:38:31 PM
Anyhow, don't think too hard about the average free article you find on the internet. They probably churned it out to receive $5, spent an hour typing it, an "editor" checked to make sure it didn't say "GODZILLA'S TITS LEAK PEPSI" there wasn't anyone naked in the images, and then they all moved onto the next task.
An hour spent on an $5 article? You're optimistic...
Quote from: kalvado on December 10, 2018, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 10, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Apparently not.
It helps to re-read the post AFTER hitting "submit" button.
We do have an edit option here..
I can't make you believe I meant to do that, can I? :hmmm:
wHO sAYS cAPITALIZATION dOESN'T mATTER?
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Quote from: kalvado on December 10, 2018, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: formulanone on December 10, 2018, 05:38:31 PM
Anyhow, don't think too hard about the average free article you find on the internet. They probably churned it out to receive $5, spent an hour typing it, an "editor" checked to make sure it didn't say "GODZILLA'S TITS LEAK PEPSI", there wasn't anyone naked in the images, and then they all moved onto the next task.
An hour spent on an $5 article? You're optimistic...
I'm sorry, I don't have the
Manual of Half-Assed News Articles in front of me.
What's the going rate? Probably crap per hour, like most work-from-home jobs. Or would they spend 10 minutes on it because they're making too much money to waste time on it? I know there's professional and semi-pro writers who make a good living, or write out stuff in between other lines of work, and many others who probably spam out news outlets with some real crud, because the Epsilon-educated audience doesn't care.
Quote from: formulanone on December 10, 2018, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 10, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 10, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
If I'm reading a news article and I come to an obvious capitalization, grammar, or punctuation error, then I immediately lose respect for the author and interest in learning his or her side of the issue. I figure that, if you expect me to respect you as a competent and intelligent source of information, then you should either...
(a) know how the printed English language works, or
(b) hire an editor who does.
I've often wondered if anyone at the newspaper actually reads their newspaper before the print it.
Apparently not.
When we are paid to post in threads, then we can nitpick each other. Unless I forgot to check one of the lesser-known options during the registration process...
This.
A casual web forum is not a national news outlet.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:33:40 PM
There's a few good examples of when the Oxford comma can be useful.
I am a firm believer in the Oxford comma.
I too am a firm believer in and practitioner of the Oxford comma.
Because I'm in the payroll profession, this is my favorite example: The lack of an Oxford comma in a section of Maine labor law led to a circuit court's decision as to whether drivers delivering perishable foods are exempt from overtime pay.
http://loweringthebar.net/2017/03/the-oxford-comma-use-it.html
Quote from: wanderer2575 on December 10, 2018, 08:25:01 PM
I too am a firm believer in and practitioner of the Oxford comma.
Because I'm in the payroll profession, this is my favorite example: The lack of an Oxford comma in a section of Maine labor law led to a circuit court's decision as to whether drivers delivering perishable foods are exempt from overtime pay.
http://loweringthebar.net/2017/03/the-oxford-comma-use-it.html
I think you posted that site two weeks ago (different article), and I confess I've spent far too much time enjoying it! :D
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
I wonder if Elon Musk doesn't respect the Securities and Exchanges Commission or the Southeastern Conference. Or both.
Elon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Elon_Phoenix_football_team) hasn't even played an SEC team since 2011, which sounds like pretty clear disrespect to me.
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
Lionel Hutz
Works on contingency
No money down
Oh, sorry, they left off the punctuation.
Lionel Hutz
Works on contingency?
No, money down!
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It's one of the more cromulent examples of the importance of punctuation.
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 07:53:36 PMI am a firm believer in the Oxford comma.
We've used the same graphic designer for our birth announcements and Christmas cards. Both times, I've sent her text that includes an Oxford comma, and both times, she's returned a proof without an Oxford comma. Must be a design thing.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
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I can't figure out what that's
actually supposed to mean.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
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I can't figure out what that's actually supposed to mean.
"Roles." She's an actress. "Life, and her roles, get better with age."
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:31:38 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 11, 2018, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
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I can't figure out what that's actually supposed to mean.
"Roles." She's an actress. "Life, and her roles, get better with age."
So it's just a typo, then.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 11, 2018, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:31:38 AM
Quote from: 1 on December 11, 2018, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
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I can't figure out what that's actually supposed to mean.
"Roles." She's an actress. "Life, and her roles, get better with age."
So it's just a typo, then.
But a funny typo.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 11, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
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Getting back to the original topic, it seems the editor of that paper needs a lesson in proper title case. No capitalized conjunctions or prepositions, etc.
Quote from: wxfree on December 10, 2018, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
Lionel Hutz
Works on contingency
No money down
Oh, sorry, they left off the punctuation.
Lionel Hutz
Works on contingency?
No, money down!
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It's one of the more cromulent examples of the importance of punctuation.
Lets eat Grandma. :-o
When you're a small-town newspaper, it's easy to let errors slip through, especially if you don't have a lot of eyes looking at your stuff and the editor is also a writer. You can read and re-read and re-re-read your own stuff and miss stuff that becomes readily apparent as soon as you see it in print. At the paper I edited for eight years, we had an eagle-eyed proofreader (the publisher's father) who could catch even the tiniest of errors. When he died, I'm not ashamed to say the quality of the printed product went down because stuff would slip through that he would otherwise have caught (such as the time I misspelled the proper name "Burgher" as "Burger" in the jump head of an obituary.)
I've been alarmed, though, at the number of errors I'm spotting in big news outlets. Not only punctuation, spelling, and capitalization, but basic grammar and other errors such as extraneous words that don't belong.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
There's a few good examples of when the Oxford comma can be useful.
Among those interviewed were Merle Haggard's two ex-wives, Kris Kristofferson and Robert Duvall.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on December 11, 2018, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 10, 2018, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Paulinator66 on December 10, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
My favorite example of this
Now we've moved to the topic of punctuation instead of capitalization, but my favorite is...
A woman without her man is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing.
There's a few good examples of when the Oxford comma can be useful.
Among those interviewed were Merle Haggard's two ex-wives, Kris Kristofferson and Robert Duvall.
Interesting set of ex-wives.
/this is why the Oxford comma is very important, IMHO.
There's an old joke that I don't completely remember with a punchline "eats shoots and leaves" that involves strategic placement of the comma, but I can't recall the entire thing. It compares a herbivore to a man in a one-night stand, I think.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 11, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
There's an old joke that I don't completely remember with a punchline "eats shoots and leaves" that involves strategic placement of the comma, but I can't recall the entire thing. It compares a herbivore to a man in a one-night stand, I think.
A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and proceeds to fire it at the other patrons.
"Why?" asks the confused, surviving waiter amidst the carnage, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.
"Well, I'm a panda," he says. "Look it up."
The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
Quote from: hbelkins on December 11, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
There's an old joke that I don't completely remember with a punchline "eats shoots and leaves" that involves strategic placement of the comma, but I can't recall the entire thing. It compares a herbivore to a man in a one-night stand, I think.
It's about a koala bear that refuses to pay a prostitute for services rendered.
Yes, I know! :ded:
Quote from: kphoger on December 11, 2018, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 11, 2018, 02:24:28 PM
There's an old joke that I don't completely remember with a punchline "eats shoots and leaves" that involves strategic placement of the comma, but I can't recall the entire thing. It compares a herbivore to a man in a one-night stand, I think.
A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and proceeds to fire it at the other patrons.
"Why?" asks the confused, surviving waiter amidst the carnage, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.
"Well, I'm a panda," he says. "Look it up."
The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
I never did like that whole "don't use a comma before the 'and'" rule.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 10, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
If LeBron could afford a Hummer while he was in high school, someone was running seriously afoul of amateurism guidelines. I thought he was a poor kid who got rich by going straight to the NBA.
As I understand it, knowing he was going to make megabucks within a year, his mother somehow got a loan of $50K for it, circumventing the rules. This story elaborates, https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hummer-that-got-lebron-james-investigated-in-high-school-is-up-for-auction-again/