I saw one mention on the I-265 bridge thread that there isn't an downtown crossing thread so I thought I might as well make one.
Downtown crossing website- http://kyinbridges.com/downtown-crossing/
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2F4257ce5d9a0ccdbe8951b758622fd97673e74cc2%2Fc%3D0-150-3000-2400%26amp%3Br%3Dx404%26amp%3Bc%3D534x401%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2FLouisville%2F2015%2F04%2F17%2FB9316961492Z.1_20150417172338_000_GG6AGJTOV.1-0.jpg&hash=a989bb337de7bddf00f187b83f763c7185ae6b55)
I must say the progress on this bridge is impressive and the timeline for the project.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=znSaLzIHdNRA.kl8iLFHgWij8
Quite alot of construction going on!
Another cantilever bridge bites the dust!
That one's going to stay. The new bridge will carry northbound traffic only while the current bridge will be southbound only.
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 06, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
That one's going to stay. The new bridge will carry northbound traffic only while the current bridge will be southbound only.
The existing bridge will also be redecked when the new bridge is opened. So the bridge will stay for quite a while.
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2 on July 06, 2015, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 06, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
That one's going to stay. The new bridge will carry northbound traffic only while the current bridge will be southbound only.
The existing bridge will also be redecked when the new bridge is opened. So the bridge will stay for quite a while.
Yes, the current plan is for the new bridge to be finished by the end of the year. Then all NB and SB traffic will be shifted to the new bridge. The existing bridge will be closed for a year for repair, and then by the end of next year the final arrangement of SB traffic on the existing bridge and NB traffic on the new bridge should be in place.
This will look quite good when finished. I must say even the original Kennedy Bridge looks really good in this picture. :cool:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupdates.kyinbridges.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F02%2FDowntown-Bridge-main-shot-Walsh.jpg&hash=a7baa05c3ee7fabd9b4d05882d407443bb0deee9)
I think it would be interesting to see a cantilever and cable-stayed bridge side-by-side. And yes, that is an awesome rendition of the finished product.
Huge waste of money. I will go to my grave saying so. What they should have done was ban through trucks inside the bypasses (265 southbound, 264 northbound) and use lots of signage to direct, through strong persuasion and frequent messaging, through passenger vehicle traffic to the East End Bridge and/or Sherman Minton Bridge.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 07, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
Huge waste of money. I will go to my grave saying so. What they should have done was ban through trucks inside the bypasses (265 southbound, 264 northbound) and use lots of signage to direct, through strong persuasion and frequent messaging, through passenger vehicle traffic to the East End Bridge and/or Sherman Minton Bridge.
I do agree 6 lanes in each direction is overkill but it does cater for future traffic and redirecting traffic to other bridges does put alot of pressure on them. However I do agree having a ban of through truck traffic within the beltways. With the partial outer and inner beltways and two bypass crossings I think it would be possible.
Spaghetti Junction needed to be fixed given all the wrecks regardless of whether they built a new bridge or not.
Not sure if the story is true, but I always heard when I worked in Louisville that the designer of those interchanges downtown was a first-time freeway designer. Supposedly the banking on the exits is messed up to where if a fully loaded semi goes through there full speed, they are prone to tip over.
Quote from: thefro on July 08, 2015, 01:23:14 PM
Spaghetti Junction needed to be fixed given all the wrecks regardless of whether they built a new bridge or not.
Not sure if the story is true, but I always heard when I worked in Louisville that the designer of those interchanges downtown was a first-time freeway designer. Supposedly the banking on the exits is messed up to where if a fully loaded semi goes through there full speed, they are prone to tip over.
I think the same things can be said of most interchanges built at that time.
Has a new firm been chosen to handle the tolling? I seem to remember the previous one was dismissed.
Update on this project: Sometime last week, the last piece of bridge deck connecting the two sides was put into place. The new bridge is expected to be open by Christmas. For approximately a year, the new bridge will carry both north and southbound traffic while repairs are made to the existing bridge. By the end of 2016, both bridges are expected to be open with the new bridge carrying northbound traffic and the existing bridge carrying southbound traffic.
Speaking from personal experience, trying to cross the Ohio River on 65 is not recommended weekdays between 7-9:30 am or 3:30-6 pm.
WHAS just posted an article on Facebook that the new bridge will designated the "Abraham Lincoln Bridge". I would post the link, but my tablet will not let me.
When do the tolls start?
My understanding is late 2016. According to Google, anyway.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 30, 2015, 06:49:51 PM
When do the tolls start?
The tolls are supposed to start when, or shortly after both bridges are fully open near the end of 2016.
This Saturday the bridge contractor is hosting an event that will allow people to walk across the nearly-completed bridge before it opens to traffic in a few weeks.
Northbound I-65 traffic will shift onto the new (Lincoln) bridge Monday 12/7 no later than 5am. Southbound traffic will shift later in the month, no specific date yet.
Approximately 30,000 people participated in #walkthebridge today.
Noticed there was Clearview signage on the Indiana side of the bridge based on the photos from the Courier-Journal. I know the bridge is being built by Kentucky so I figured that was the reason, I wonder how far the Clearview extends into the state. And since Indiana is doing the East End Bridge, will Highway Gothic be found on the Kentucky side of the bridge up to US 42?
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 05, 2015, 07:53:12 PM
Noticed there was Clearview signage on the Indiana side of the bridge based on the photos from the Courier-Journal. I know the bridge is being built by Kentucky so I figured that was the reason, I wonder how far the Clearview extends into the state. And since Indiana is doing the East End Bridge, will Highway Gothic be found on the Kentucky side of the bridge up to US 42?
I will probably drive the new bridge sometime this week so I'll let you know. I don't generally pay much attention to fonts, but I'll try to this time. My guess would be that all signs on the actual bridge are from KYTC and once the end of the bridge is reached the signage becomes INDOT.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 07, 2015, 08:54:49 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 05, 2015, 07:53:12 PM
Noticed there was Clearview signage on the Indiana side of the bridge based on the photos from the Courier-Journal. I know the bridge is being built by Kentucky so I figured that was the reason, I wonder how far the Clearview extends into the state. And since Indiana is doing the East End Bridge, will Highway Gothic be found on the Kentucky side of the bridge up to US 42?
I will probably drive the new bridge sometime this week so I'll let you know. I don't generally pay much attention to fonts, but I'll try to this time. My guess would be that all signs on the actual bridge are from KYTC and once the end of the bridge is reached the signage becomes INDOT.
Drove the new bridge at lunch and can confirm that the signage on the bridge is in one font and the signage beginning at the sign right at the Court Ave exit is a different font.
Also, there is a change for people who enter 65 NB/64/71 from Muhammad Ali Blvd. You used to have to get left to get I-65 NB and stay right to get 64/71. Now it's the opposite. Left for 64/71 and right for 65 NB.
WHAS posted a video showing someone driving from what appeared to be Hospital Curve north across the new bridge. I'm guessing that the ramp configuration from Muhammad Ali is temporary, since there's an express/"local" setup on northbound 65 now (and I put "local" in quotations because the only exit is to the interstates, and the lane for westbound I-64/St. Louis is also for northbound I-65.
So many things wrong with this...
If you're gonna build a new bridge, I think aesthetically it should match the old one. Not sure what the cost difference would have been to build a second cantilever, but I think the parallel cable stay and cantilever spans look awkward.
And tolls? How much, and for how long? That should be settled and legislated if necessary to ensure that it will eventually be free again, especially for an interstate highway. I think with the exception of grandfathered turnpikes and crossings in the northeast, the interstate system should be free, as this was the original intent.
Limiting truck traffic to the bypass could help, but I don't know if that would've loosened up traffic enough to lessen the need for more lanes. Signage would have little impact since everyone navigates via GPS and Google maps now.
I love how Kentucky and Indiana literally leave I-69 in the dust and just go "OMG OMG WE MUST WASTE MONEY ON I-65!!!11!!!!11!!!11111". This is a wrong thing to do in my opinion, people have been waiting years for the bridge to be built, and plus, how will this loosen up traffic? It's all based on the Kennedy Interchange, which should be redesigned at the same time as this one.
The I-65 bridge was on the books long before anyone ever thought of extending I-69 into Kentucky. I don't think the new downtown bridge was necessary. I think banning through trucks between I-264 in Kentucky and I-265 in Indiana and encouraging all through traffic, via signage, to use either the new east end bridge or the Sherman Minton bridge to reconnect with I-65 in Indiana, would have alleviated the need.
But it should be noted that the interchange is being rebuilt as part of the bridge project.
The interchange is being redesigned - the exits for I-64 and I-71 from I-65 North have been moved to the south as part of that process. There's still another year's worth of construction, though as the Kennedy Bridge is converted to one-way traffic.
What should have been done first was the East End Bridge, which actually creates new capacity. Once that was complete, then start on the Kennedy Interchange.
Is there a place where they have the design documents for the Spaghetti Interchange (drawings, etc.)? I looked online but I couldn't find anything. Thanks in advance.
I didn't see any design documents, but here's a two-minute video that explains the changes:
http://kyinbridges.com/virtual-tours/#buildingdowntownbridge
Thank you for sending me the link to the videos. Another page on that site has some pictures of the final configuration of the Spaghetti Junction (Images 13 through 15).
http://kyinbridges.com/downtown-crossing/the-project/design/
It's Open.
Another major traffic shift occurring this week:
Overnight Tuesday night, two lanes of SB I-65 will shift from the (old) Kennedy Bridge to the (new) Lincoln Bridge. These two lanes will NOT have access to I-64 or I-71.
One lane of SB I-65 will remain on the Kennedy Bridge and will ONLY have access to I-64 East/I-71 North and will not be able to continue through on I-65.
Access to I-64 West is being eliminated entirely until late summer 2016.
So, about a mile or so before you reach the bridges, you will be forced to commit to either I-65 South or I-64/71. What is already a major traffic headache from about 6:30am-6:30pm during the week will get even worse.
Other changes:
The exit from I-64 EB to I-65 SB has reopened after being closed for over a year
The exit from I-64 EB to I-65 NB has closed and will be closed until the project is finished.
Exit 0 on I-65 SB is closing permanently. Exit 1 will now be the last SB exit in Indiana.
The direct ramp from US 31 SB to Court Ave and the Clark Bridge will reopen
At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?
Quote from: tidecat on December 14, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?
Can't redecking be done in a partial-width manner?
Quote from: tidecat on December 14, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?
Since the Lincoln Bridge was built to handle NB traffic, there is no means to get to 64/71 going SB. Some of the work on the Kennedy can be done while keeping one lane open, but there is going to be a period of about 6 months when the entire bridge will need to be closed and there won't be any access at all to 64/71. Expected timeframe for the complete closure is mid-February to mid-August.
This is why it would have made sense to finish the East End bridge before starting downtown work. A finished East End bridge would have made a nice detour for people losing that access to 64/71.
Couldn't people take the Clark bridge when the southbound Kennedy is closed completely?
Quote from: mvak36 on December 15, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
Couldn't people take the Clark bridge when the southbound Kennedy is closed completely?
If you're on SB 65 trying to get to EB 64 or NB 71, yeah, that's probably the best bet. You can take Exit 1 off 65, follow US 31 over the Clark bridge, then take Liberty St. over to the 65/64/71 entrance ramp. That will probably get REALLY backed up though during peak times. Another alternative is to continue over the river on 65 SB, take the Jefferson St. exit, make 2 left turns to get on to Liberty St. and then to the 65/64/71 entrance ramp.
If you're wanting to take WB 64 any farther than the edge of downtown, it would be quicker to just go around on 265. In fact, I can envision Clark bridge/downtown traffic getting so bad that it's quicker to go around on 265 to get to EB 64/NB 71, even though it's the opposite direction.
It's going to be a very miserable year for commuting. I'm so glad I live and work on the same side of the river.
I normally use the I64 bridge to get around downtown anyway.
A few questions.
So I am assuming that both northbound and southbound 65 will start paying tolls in a year or so? Are they going to have a cash option or just electronic tolling?
Also with I-265 will they have a cash option there?
How much will the tolls cost on the I-65 and I-265 bridges?
I assume the I-64 bridge and the US 31 bridges will remain free bridges.
There will be no cash option - you can use River Link (decal), an E-Z Pass (transponder), or you will be billed by license plate. Tolls will be $2 for electronic users, $1 for commuters (40 crossings/month), or $4 for bill by plate.
Quote from: US 41 on December 21, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
A few questions.
So I am assuming that both northbound and southbound 65 will start paying tolls in a year or so? Are they going to have a cash option or just electronic tolling?
Also with I-265 will they have a cash option there?
How much will the tolls cost on the I-65 and I-265 bridges?
I assume the I-64 bridge and the US 31 bridges will remain free bridges.
Yes, I-65 both directions as well as I-265 will be toll bridges. I-64 and US 31 will remain free. Tolls will start soon after all bridges are complete and open.
Tolls are expected to be as tidecat described above.
I already have an EZ-Pass from when I lived in Chicago, so I won't have to get one.
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.
As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
Uhh yeah this is Kentucky we are talking about.... they will leave the tailgate down on the pickup.
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.
As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
How much of your time is that $4 worth?
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.
As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
How much of your time is that $4 worth?
"i'm not doing it for money, i am doing it for principal, those bridges are interstate and should be free"
Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 27, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.
As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
How much of your time is that $4 worth?
"i'm not doing it for money, i am doing it for principal, those bridges are interstate and should be free"
Principal of what school?
Tom Reaugh attended the public bridge walk for the Abraham Lincoln Bridge and shared his photos with us. I posted a set on the AARoads on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153914574442948.1073741851.181045197947&type=1&l=bc45e7b623) page.
The old (Kennedy) bridge is closing entirely tonight for about six months. This will eliminate access from I-65 south to I-64/71. The two through I-65 southbound lanes on the new (Lincoln) bridge will remain.
For access to I-64 west, use I-265 west to I-64.
For traffic taking I-71 north/I-64 east beyond I-264, the suggested detour is I-65 south to I-264 east to I-64 or I-71. For local access to I-64/71, take the Jefferson St. exit from I-65, make two immediate left turns at 1st St and Liberty St, and follow the signs to I-64/71 via I-65 north.
If you are on a trip that takes you through Indianapolis and Chattanooga and would normally use I-65 and I-24, I very highly recommend you use I-74 and I-75 instead. I-65 south backups are going to get really bad, and not just during rush hours. I work about mile from I-65 in Jeffersonville, and many days while out at lunch I notice very long backups on I-65 south.
Annual reminder about bridge closings for the Kentucky Derby Festival "Thunder Over Louisville" fireworks. The US 31 (Clark) bridge closes Thursday 4/21 at 9:30 a.m. and will remain closed until 2:00 p.m. Sunday 4/24. The I-65 (Lincoln) bridge, as well as I-65 between I-64 and I-265 (IN) will close Saturday 4/23 from 8:00 p.m. until 11:00 p.m.
Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 27, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.
As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
How much of your time is that $4 worth?
"i'm not doing it for money, i am doing it for principal, those bridges are interstate and should be free"
Same with me I used to take I-65 from Indianapolis then head east on I-64. Now I will go to Cincinnati on I-74 then take I-75 south.
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
You mean they will wave at you as they pass by while you're stuck in traffic light hell in downtown Louisville trying to get back to the interstate. Will the time you lose be worth the couple of bucks it will cost you?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
Using the I-64 bridge would probably be your best option. The 265/64/264 routing will take you 10 minutes longer, but you'll save $4 and you'll bypass downtown Louisville.
Quote from: US 41 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
Using the I-64 bridge would probably be your best option. The 265/64/264 routing will take you 10 minutes longer, but you'll save $4 and you'll bypass downtown Louisville.
Everybody should use that bypass and avoid the tolls. Less traffic for me getting to work.
Quote from: US 41 on May 27, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
Using the I-64 bridge would probably be your best option. The 265/64/264 routing will take you 10 minutes longer, but you'll save $4 and you'll bypass downtown Louisville.
I think $4 is outrageous for such a short stretch of road. I bet there will be a lot of detours because of it.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
And I suppose you paid for all your cars using cash too? :D
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 29, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
And I suppose you paid for all your cars using cash too? :D
Is it rare for people to buy cars with cash? My parents bought their two most recent cars with cash. :confused:
Quote from: billtm on June 05, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 29, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
And I suppose you paid for all your cars using cash too? :D
Is it rare for people to buy cars with cash? My parents bought their two most recent cars with cash. :confused:
I've paid for all my cars with cash. Borrowing money in my opinion is almost the worst decision you as an individual can make.
I did pay for my car with cash.
You guys are missing the point. His point is the the jurisdictions responsible didn't have the cash to pay for the highway upgrades in the same way you guys paid for your cars with cash. The only way this project got funded without waiting several more years (or more likely decades in the case of the East End) was to let bonds that will be paid back via the toll revenue.
Quote from: froggie on June 06, 2016, 10:01:53 AM
You guys are missing the point. His point is the the jurisdictions responsible didn't have the cash to pay for the highway upgrades in the same way you guys paid for your cars with cash. The only way this project got funded without waiting several more years (or more likely decades in the case of the East End) was to let bonds that will be paid back via the toll revenue.
Ohhh... now I get it. Well I feel like the East End Bridge is completely necessary, and probably should've been built earlier. But I am much more conflicted about the necessity of the Downtown Bridge. I feel like that project could've been delayed to 2020, I mean 13 lanes is amazing, but I have trouble justifying that many lanes in Louisville in my mind, even if the metro area keeps on expanding.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 27, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
I will use US 31 the free alternative and wave at all those paying the toll. If it isn't paid for then don't build it.
That line of thinking doesn't work in government when leadership turns over every 2-4 years. Saving up to buy something isn't realistic the way it can be with a personal budget.
I've never felt the parallel downtown bridge was necessary. Build the I-265 bridge, ban through trucks from the Kennedy Bridge and strongly encourage ALL through traffic to use a crossing other than the downtown crossing, and I think the problem would have been solved.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 08, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
I've never felt the parallel downtown bridge was necessary. Build the I-265 bridge, ban through trucks from the Kennedy Bridge and strongly encourage ALL through traffic to use a crossing other than the downtown crossing, and I think the problem would have been solved.
Sounds good HB, but I like the forward thinking that had the two bridges built.
When Cincy starts rehabbing the Brent Spence bridge, traffic coming from Indy and north will be using the new bridges. Due to the vastness of the bridges in Louisville, there should be little to no delays. No matter how long the Brent Spence project takes, the downtown and East End can handle it easy. Also, I foresee massive backups on I-275 crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky. Volume will be bad, a breakdown on the bridge will be worse.
I also think that building more than you need now or in the future can alleviate a lot of problems 30+ years down the road. The interstate highway system in overburdened now, but when it was designed and built, people thought that it was too much highway.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on June 15, 2016, 03:19:08 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 08, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
I've never felt the parallel downtown bridge was necessary. Build the I-265 bridge, ban through trucks from the Kennedy Bridge and strongly encourage ALL through traffic to use a crossing other than the downtown crossing, and I think the problem would have been solved.
Sounds good HB, but I like the forward thinking that had the two bridges built.
When Cincy starts rehabbing the Brent Spence bridge, traffic coming from Indy and north will be using the new bridges. Due to the vastness of the bridges in Louisville, there should be little to no delays. No matter how long the Brent Spence project takes, the downtown and East End can handle it easy. Also, I foresee massive backups on I-275 crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky. Volume will be bad, a breakdown on the bridge will be worse.
I also think that building more than you need now or in the future can alleviate a lot of problems 30+ years down the road. The interstate highway system in overburdened now, but when it was designed and built, people thought that it was too much highway.
Right, but I also think there is a limit as to how much you should overbuild, and I think the Downtown crossing just below that limit. (1 lane below, IMHO) By the way, have you ever heard of Naypyidaw, Burma? That is a case of extreme overbuilding. I think Top Gear made a pretty good video about it.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 08, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
I've never felt the parallel downtown bridge was necessary. Build the I-265 bridge, ban through trucks from the Kennedy Bridge and strongly encourage ALL through traffic to use a crossing other than the downtown crossing, and I think the problem would have been solved.
Plus, going on I-265 would keep people out of Louisville! :-D :bigass:
Will there be a difference in the price of the tolls between each crossing or will it be the same?
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 16, 2016, 07:38:38 AM
Will there be a difference in the price of the tolls between each crossing or will it be the same?
All three bridges (Lincoln, Kennedy, Lewis&Clark) will have the same toll rates.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 16, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 16, 2016, 07:38:38 AM
Will there be a difference in the price of the tolls between each crossing or will it be the same?
All three bridges (Lincoln, Kennedy, Lewis&Clark) will have the same toll rates.
Wait, so the East End bridge will also be called the Lewis&Clark bridge? I thought the US-31 bridge was called Lewis&Clark? :confused:
Quote from: billtm on June 16, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 16, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on June 16, 2016, 07:38:38 AM
Will there be a difference in the price of the tolls between each crossing or will it be the same?
All three bridges (Lincoln, Kennedy, Lewis&Clark) will have the same toll rates.
Wait, so the East End bridge will also be called the Lewis&Clark bridge? I thought the US-31 bridge was called Lewis&Clark? :confused:
US 31 = George Rogers Clark
I-265 = Lewis & (William) Clark
So the bridge actually isn't named for Lewis and Clark. The proposal died in the statehouse and apparently Gov. Pence has the final call on what to call it. Apparently there was also some confusion concerns about the name of this bridge and that of the Clark Bridge, and Clark County, and Clarksville and the Lewis and Clark Parkway.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/indiana/2016/03/17/naming-east-end-bridge-hold/81905698/
So if this is right, we're looking at the Jennings, Jefferson or Reagan Bridge?
How about just calling it the East End Bridge? Too boring?
Another thing to be named after Reagan? :banghead:
Five of the six lanes of the Kennedy Bridge reopened this morning carrying southbound traffic. The far right lane, which will be the exit lane for I-64 West, is closed until the reconstruction of the exit finishes next month. The other five lanes, from right to left, are for I-71 North, I-64 East, Jefferson/Brook Streets and two for thru traffic.
Despite the removal of southbound traffic from the Lincoln Bridge, there are still only three lanes for northbound traffic. Not exactly sure if any more will open before the final project completion in early December.
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
I've been looking through some of their dash-cam videos on their site. It's looking nice. :D
I still don't like the Clearview signs on the KY side, but oh well.
Quote from: Moose on October 11, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
GPS's route people coming from Indy to Lexington through Louisville, and that is the way they will take. Sad, but true. With that being said, when the Brent Spence is re built, it too will be tolled. This is just the beginning.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on October 12, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: Moose on October 11, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
GPS's route people coming from Indy to Lexington through Louisville, and that is the way they will take. Sad, but true. With that being said, when the Brent Spence is re built, it too will be tolled. This is just the beginning.
These days, it is either that, or it won't be built at all.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on October 12, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
GPS's route people coming from Indy to Lexington through Louisville, and that is the way they will take. Sad, but true. With that being said, when the Brent Spence is re built, it too will be tolled. This is just the beginning.
It's so close, it depends on what side of town your on. I noticed that from the east side of town, it sent you via Cincinatti.
Brent Spence bridge wont affect anything, it's far quicker to use the west side I-275 bridge. Cinnci has a ton of bridges. 2 loop interstate bridges, 2 downtown interstate bridges, 3 surface street bridges, and a pedestrian bridge. Compare that to Louisville's 2 interstate bridges, (With 1 more loop bridge being built) and 1 surface street bridge. No WAY they can toll one bridge with all the other options in Cinci.
Quote from: Moose on October 12, 2016, 09:34:12 AM
Cinnci has a ton of bridges. 2 loop interstate bridges, 2 downtown interstate bridges, 3 surface street bridges, and a pedestrian bridge. Compare that to Louisville's 2 interstate bridges, (With 1 more loop bridge being built) and 1 surface street bridge. No WAY they can toll one bridge with all the other options in Cinci.
Side note: the K&I Bridge between Louisville and New Albany carried vehicular traffic until 1979. Now, with the huge success of the Big Four Bridge being opened to foot and non-motorized traffic, some folks are pushing (albeit rather weakly) to at least re-open the K&I to feet and bikes. Unfortunately Norfolk Southern's response to this, so far, has been, "No way in hell."
How is tolling sad?
It's sad that the federal gasoline tax hasn't been raised in many years. And that the federal Highway Trust Fund has been allowed to go bankrupt for years now because of political inaction. Pegging the federal gasoline tax to inflation would be the best alternative, but absent of that, tolling is the next best option.
If you don't like it, there are other ways of traveling.
Tolling is sad. Why should we raise the fuel tax since there are more folks paying now?
Quote from: TR69 on October 12, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: Moose on October 12, 2016, 09:34:12 AM
Cinnci has a ton of bridges. 2 loop interstate bridges, 2 downtown interstate bridges, 3 surface street bridges, and a pedestrian bridge. Compare that to Louisville's 2 interstate bridges, (With 1 more loop bridge being built) and 1 surface street bridge. No WAY they can toll one bridge with all the other options in Cinci.
Side note: the K&I Bridge between Louisville and New Albany carried vehicular traffic until 1979. Now, with the huge success of the Big Four Bridge being opened to foot and non-motorized traffic, some folks are pushing (albeit rather weakly) to at least re-open the K&I to feet and bikes. Unfortunately Norfolk Southern's response to this, so far, has been, "No way in hell."
Yes I should have given Louisville credit for a pedestrian bridge.
The K&IT bridge wont happen. The former northbound lane is used by NS company vehicles (and some employees) regularly. The former southbound lane is unusable it is blocked by the re-aligned railroad which swings to the west and blocks it.
My dad had a bit of roadgeek in him. I remember, as a kid, us crossing the K&I "just because."
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 12, 2016, 12:22:53 PM
Tolling is sad. Why should we raise the fuel tax since there are more folks paying now?
That's not necessarily true. Even if you had more users, when you take into account construction cost growth, the average state's gasoline tax rate has effectively been -20%/6.8 cents per gallon. Diesel taxes have fallen by 18%/6 cents per gallon. ITEP (http://www.itep.org/bettergastax/) has three simple solutions that would solve this issue:
1. Increase gas tax rates to reverse long term declines.
2. Peg the gas tax rates to inflation.
3. Create targeted tax credits for low income families.
I mean, 22 states haven't raised their gas taxes in over a decade. When Michigan recently tried to do just that, it was rejected by 80% of voters. It's a political nightmare.
From http://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-gas-tax-revenue-states-inflation.html --
"The federal government's 18.4-cent gasoline tax brought in a fifth less, in inflation-adjusted dollars, in 2013 than in its first year at that level. That revenue decline comes over a period when the country's population grew by a fifth, adding more strain to the nation's transportation's networks.
But fuel taxes generate less revenue in states, too. In 18 of 48 states with comparable data over the last two decades, state-imposed fuel taxes have not kept up with inflation. In some states, the drop-off is significant. In New Mexico and Illinois, fuel taxes brought in a quarter less in 2014 than when Congress raised the federal gas tax two decades ago. For Alaska, the drop-off was a third. Rhode Island's gas tax revenues dwindled the most: The Ocean State's fuel taxes had just half the purchasing power in 2014 as they did in 1994."
The governor in Tennessee is trying to go down the road of raising the gas tax. The legislature is not even in session until January and it is already a big deal and likely not likely to happen.
Quote from: Moose on October 11, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
For thru traffic, sure, but there are a lot of people who live east of I-65 on one side of the river and commute to a spot east of I-65 on the other side of the river. That bridge will save 20+ minutes off a lot of people's commute times, and if they get a transponder and make 40+ trips per month, the $2/day is going to be a reasonable cost for saving that time.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on October 12, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: Moose on October 11, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
GPS's route people coming from Indy to Lexington through Louisville, and that is the way they will take. Sad, but true. With that being said, when the Brent Spence is re built, it too will be tolled. This is just the beginning.
If that's the case then I will just use the I-275 bridge instead. The Brent Spence is my current alternative to avoid the I-65 toll bridge.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 10, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
Five of the six lanes of the Kennedy Bridge reopened this morning carrying southbound traffic. The far right lane, which will be the exit lane for I-64 West, is closed until the reconstruction of the exit finishes next month. The other five lanes, from right to left, are for I-71 North, I-64 East, Jefferson/Brook Streets and two for thru traffic.
Despite the removal of southbound traffic from the Lincoln Bridge, there are still only three lanes for northbound traffic. Not exactly sure if any more will open before the final project completion in early December.
The Lincoln will be six lanes northbound. The shift to the Kennedy for southbound traffic allows the removal of barrier walls on the Kennedy, and any re-paving/striping that needs to take place.
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on June 15, 2016, 03:19:08 AM
Sounds good HB, but I like the forward thinking that had the two bridges built.
When Cincy starts rehabbing the Brent Spence bridge, traffic coming from Indy and north will be using the new bridges. Due to the vastness of the bridges in Louisville, there should be little to no delays. No matter how long the Brent Spence project takes, the downtown and East End can handle it easy. Also, I foresee massive backups on I-275 crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky. Volume will be bad, a breakdown on the bridge will be worse.
You're absolutely correct about 275, and I'll use an example from last year to enhance this.
Last year, Kentucky re-decked the entire I-275 Carroll Cropper Bridge, one side at a time. To accomplish this, they merged two lanes into one and had both directions of traffic use whatever half of the bridge was not being worked on at the time and no oversize loads were permitted on the bridge whatsoever. Well...if there was an accident on the bridge or a wide load somehow got through onto the bridge and got stuck, you were screwed. I remember at least two wide loads that got to the bridge and got stuck snarling traffic for hours.
Quote from: dvferyance on October 13, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: 2trailertrucker on October 12, 2016, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: Moose on October 11, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
The problem with the tolls on the east end bridge is that they are essentially competing with a route which is equal distant AND FREE.
To Lexington from Indy. The mileage for I 74, I 275, I 75 is about equal distant to the I-65, I-64 route. And if you are in a car, Adding Indiana route 1 puts the first one way ahead.
Adding I 265 in between 65 and 64 wont drop the mileage age due to the east side of Louisville routing.
The downtown bridge, will be more problematic. They are playing a bit of funny business. To get on the 31 bridge from the Indiana side I-65 requires you exit onto the local lanes way back in Clarksville. All it would take is a little creative removing the 31 shields from the signs to "entrap" folks to getting onto the toll bridge.
GPS's route people coming from Indy to Lexington through Louisville, and that is the way they will take. Sad, but true. With that being said, when the Brent Spence is re built, it too will be tolled. This is just the beginning.
If that's the case then I will just use the I-275 bridge instead. The Brent Spence is my current alternative to avoid the I-65 toll bridge.
You will drive 75 or so miles out of your way to save a few dollars in tolls - wasting many dollars and miles?
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on October 13, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
You will drive 75 or so miles out of your way to save a few dollars in tolls - wasting many dollars and miles?
I don't know where your getting the 75 miles from
Google shows 195 miles Indianapolis to Lexington using the I-75 Cincinnati bridge
Google shows 193 miles Indianapolis to Lexington using the I-275 West loop bridge (186 miles if you use Indiana Highway 1 to connect I-74 and I -275 and avoid Ohio)
Google shows 191 miles Indianapolis to Lexington using the I-65 Louisville Bridge
It's THAT close.
Never mind - I thought you were coming from a different location. That makes more sense.
Quote from: JMoses24 on October 13, 2016, 07:41:17 PM
Last year, Kentucky re-decked the entire I-275 Carroll Cropper Bridge, one side at a time. To accomplish this, they merged two lanes into one and had both directions of traffic use whatever half of the bridge was not being worked on at the time and no oversize loads were permitted on the bridge whatsoever. Well...if there was an accident on the bridge or a wide load somehow got through onto the bridge and got stuck, you were screwed. I remember at least two wide loads that got to the bridge and got stuck snarling traffic for hours.
Yes, to the great consternation of the District 6 folks, who wondered why the drivers of wide loads did not read the signs and did not follow their permitted routes (when we have a width restriction, we notify the overwidth/overdimension folks, who are supposed to make proper routes clear when they issue permits for such loads.)
Announcement was made today that by the end of next week, all lanes and exit ramps will be open on both bridges and approaches. The biggest remaining piece, the right lane on the Kennedy (southbound) Bridge and the exit ramp to I-64 West, will open by 5am Monday 11/14.
Also southbound, the full set of ramps for Exit 1 are now open, meaning that traffic heading to 10th St, Court Ave or the Clark Bridge now pass over Stansifer Ave instead of having to pass through the intersection and stoplight. The last 2 miles approaching the bridge had been squeezed down to 2 lanes, is now up to 3, with the final lane to open soon.
Northbound, a second express lane, which will bypass the exits for Muhammad Ali Blvd, 64 and 71, will also be opening soon.
Quote from: froggie on June 06, 2016, 10:01:53 AM
You guys are missing the point. His point is the the jurisdictions responsible didn't have the cash to pay for the highway upgrades in the same way you guys paid for your cars with cash. The only way this project got funded without waiting several more years (or more likely decades in the case of the East End) was to let bonds that will be paid back via the toll revenue.
Looking back on it, a car was probably a bad example for something that's never paid for with cash. Should have gone for a house, a college education, or something larger.
I drove through here southbound a couple weeks ago. I'm liking the use of Interstate emblems on the pavement to show you which lane you want.
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5656/30608369461_51d0691d3c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NCKTRX)
IMG_6629 (https://flic.kr/p/NCKTRX) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
And here's the southbound toll collection structure as it stood:
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5753/30396513380_6b36f45761_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Nj35qU)
IMG_6625 (https://flic.kr/p/Nj35qU) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Shoot, in that first picture, it's really hard to read the signs because the crossbeams for the bridge get in the way. Did anyone stop to consider "Hmm, maybe that's a bad idea"?
Quote from: compdude787 on November 11, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
Shoot, in that first picture, it's really hard to read the signs because the crossbeams for the bridge get in the way. Did anyone stop to consider "Hmm, maybe that's a bad idea"?
There really isn't anywhere else to put the signs, and thus, the pavement markings to help out.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 12, 2016, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on November 11, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
Shoot, in that first picture, it's really hard to read the signs because the crossbeams for the bridge get in the way. Did anyone stop to consider "Hmm, maybe that's a bad idea"?
There really isn't anywhere else to put the signs, and thus, the pavement markings to help out.
The same thing is done in downtown Cincinnati, with pavement markings for both directions of Fort Washington Way downtown, as well as on the northbound Brent Spence Bridge into Ohio.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 12, 2016, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on November 11, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
Shoot, in that first picture, it's really hard to read the signs because the crossbeams for the bridge get in the way. Did anyone stop to consider "Hmm, maybe that's a bad idea"?
There really isn't anywhere else to put the signs, and thus, the pavement markings to help out.
They could have tried going for a somewhat nonstandard sign design and/or dropped the control cities to try and compensate for the lack of space. Perhaps similar to this signage from Pittsburgh but with arrows. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4448374,-80.0093465,3a,55.1y,175.83h,100t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQS3Cm6rlFnDLqIgOhl5weA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Side rant: Streetview does not seem to work well on double deck highways.
I have a couple ofquick questions.
I am going to FL to visit family for Christmas.
Will the east end bridge be tolled upon completion?
Will the downtown bridge be tolled?
If they are tolled, how much? And what if we don't have a tag to pay with, what do we do?
Thanks :-D
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 13, 2016, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 12, 2016, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: compdude787 on November 11, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
Shoot, in that first picture, it's really hard to read the signs because the crossbeams for the bridge get in the way. Did anyone stop to consider "Hmm, maybe that's a bad idea"?
There really isn't anywhere else to put the signs, and thus, the pavement markings to help out.
They could have tried going for a somewhat nonstandard sign design and/or dropped the control cities to try and compensate for the lack of space. Perhaps similar to this signage from Pittsburgh but with arrows. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4448374,-80.0093465,3a,55.1y,175.83h,100t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQS3Cm6rlFnDLqIgOhl5weA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
It's a compressed view. It's essentially the same signage that has been up there for decades and is pretty well readable at 55 MPH.
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on November 14, 2016, 11:28:12 AM
I have a couple ofquick questions.
I am going to FL to visit family for Christmas.
Will the east end bridge be tolled upon completion?
Will the downtown bridge be tolled?
If they are tolled, how much? And what if we don't have a tag to pay with, what do we do?
Thanks :-D
The official statement is that the East End Bridge will be open before the end of the year. Judging from construction, I would guess an opening date in the first half of December. Tolling on both the East End Bridge and both spans of I-65 will begin tolling shortly after the East End Bridge opens. If you don't have a RiverLink or EZ Pass tag, the cost is $4 each way, and the bill will be sent to the address at which the license plate is registered.
Thanks.
Tolling on the I-65 bridges (along with the East End/Future I-265 bridge that is opening December 18) will begin December 30. Tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 13, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Tolling on the I-65 bridges (along with the East End/Future I-265 bridge that is opening December 18) will begin December 30. Tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).
So when they say 40 times per month, does it have to be on the same bridge or can they cross on either bridge for it to count?
Quote from: mvak36 on December 13, 2016, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 13, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Tolling on the I-65 bridges (along with the East End/Future I-265 bridge that is opening December 18) will begin December 30. Tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).
So when they say 40 times per month, does it have to be on the same bridge or can they cross on either bridge for it to count?
Any of the three bridges (counting both directions of I-65 as separate bridges) can count towards the discount.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 13, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Tolling on the I-65 bridges (along with the East End/Future I-265 bridge that is opening December 18) will begin December 30. Tolls for cars will be $4 per crossing with no transponder, $2 per crossing with RiverLink, EZPass or IPass, and $1 per crossing if you cross 40 or more times per month and have a RiverLink transponder (not EZPass or IPass though).
Dang! I am going to be in Louisville on December 26th-30th. But I will probably take a drive across the bridges before it starts tolling! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Sorry for posting these so long after the photos were taken. I took them on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, heading northbound.
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I'm not quite sure what they're hiding on the signs... :hmmm:
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Great view of all 3 bridges. Also, the super short dotted line is interesting.
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View of the north end of the bridge, where the asphalt turns to concrete, separated by an expansion joint.
Note: The little white lane assignment sign on the right seems really interesting... I don't recall ever seeing one of those on a freeway.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pBKsTXc1P8y1PCP1mVcPHNwx3qLwyUFS-P3IpbHibk7PpkdWngX7gYbAnXD_EXg_9AqsEmxGgc28c7akd3fkMKpOn1NRpFPHVdgWAofR_vFE6xEbPaE_veeFAdolZl_xlU3Z5NPRJEHZiBnikV-SJdTF2LpEyGWSYScPJg8lc09MkGMQx1yZJkX43mm93o9kKnvjt4zbn3J2k9-H_bwQLeTO5zAxHDcSTskcK3A-MdpWlHm3jCnahKDg84Bqd_oo2FfSNob_-PA7JmjAJLqle29jqrAd6Q9xld6AT8yiRVN2LyNJC4nTHAdehLTxjMGzIco8_SkL-ZJck89ZhCN2r32CJ18b0KQ1K5YBS8cCPtZvDWeuDrInKsf1rcUtOXy0654kaQnpYDmEO5AdZg2lJi0xP5uADwWOG5HjnIeuy3HkBaVMRHM_GFiSn6Vyxi8fYhWSrlogv9hIMKWuI09REVWWf7dLxmyzVL8jcn19_EdquIm0WpjF-f0UNKdrVyHNKCbd020KKkgQMypnFZ4E104pZpART1wUQxivJF8CBudVyCIF0k6wnJJLefXJml2sHW8skzWI5esPUACIApXxeDrxypLeoWorNwm1ezxdd289yAoGl_o0kiUlR4jsCwTgADy4FpgubUqp4pcNs5-rZCnXpXMAgr9an_VH9c2yfw=w1173-h659-no)
This is what I think will the the tolling machine. Just beyond is the welcome to Indiana sign.
I gotta say job well done! :clap:
Images aren't loading for me but it could just be Tapatalk
Quote from: bmeiser on December 21, 2016, 10:50:18 PM
Images aren't loading for me but it could just be Tapatalk
Um... the pictures aren't up and loaded on my computer either...
billtm, the photos in your post are blocked. Maybe privacy settings need to be adjusted, or they can't be hotlinked from where you uploaded them?
Quote from: Alex on December 22, 2016, 09:13:24 AM
billtm, the photos in your post are blocked. Maybe privacy settings need to be adjusted, or they can't be hotlinked from where you uploaded them?
Sorry, the reason I have them up so late was because they originally wouldn't show up on my computer either. This is my first time using Google Photos after switching from Picasa.
https://goo.gl/photos/WDCRT2cxnevZc6ez7 (https://goo.gl/photos/WDCRT2cxnevZc6ez7)
That should be a link to the photos' public album. (The camera is linked to my moms' email)
Is there some better photo sharing service that I don't know about?
P.S. The photos seem to have new URLs now that they are put in a shared album. Should I try editing my original post?
Quote from: billtm on December 22, 2016, 09:56:26 AM
(The camera is linked to my moms' email)
Congrats for having multiple moms!
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: billtm on December 22, 2016, 09:56:26 AM
(The camera is linked to my moms' email)
Congrats for having multiple moms!
:-D Oops my mistake! :pan:
Are the photos visible to everyone now? Or should I still go back and edit the original post?
Quote from: billtm on December 23, 2016, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: billtm on December 22, 2016, 09:56:26 AM
(The camera is linked to my moms' email)
Congrats for having multiple moms!
:-D Oops my mistake! :pan:
Are the photos visible to everyone now? Or should I still go back and edit the original post?
I can see them now. Thanks. Is this going to be electronic tolling only?
Quote from: rlb2024 on December 23, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: billtm on December 23, 2016, 09:38:26 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 22, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: billtm on December 22, 2016, 09:56:26 AM
(The camera is linked to my moms' email)
Congrats for having multiple moms!
:-D Oops my mistake! :pan:
Are the photos visible to everyone now? Or should I still go back and edit the original post?
I can see them now. Thanks. Is this going to be electronic tolling only?
Yes, these bridges will be all-electronic tolling. You will pay $2 if you have an EZ-Pass transponder (pay $1 if you have cross more than 40 times per month with the RiverLink sticker), or pay $4 if you don't have one. The camera will take a picture of your license plate, and send a bill where it will be in your mailbox.
Quote from: billtm on December 21, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
Sorry for posting these so long after the photos were taken. I took them on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, heading northbound.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jbNYn4269CxnzOJj8RS9UixbeAgmfIGr2YmwgR4u75MswMnU2k6mmnAF_uuW2RqjLOj0IzKjos9ZdN_StJ1TySedFyES3zLn6Ifa02KnejJJ6IaXyPgOrO9sKJzUlCsr5-BauY30W2W_UsUnp8WfYBt8xHf4wTqhy1lzk3C5MxQgpucBKUl16OCykXiGikKlUpgfJe3HzJXUjwHilf2g3akjCquzl6uAn7QNI6nxzPzXXweXGiLva_VRT8nwnztyrgV2Yfs6VSUyfB-pCWUTlv5oEco_aiqoGeeGwcs5NV0l2-PVf9z0GoDd4UDzN8ckr3j6I7VJoOv03HALCK6EaYPt-FgJcRIfyYoN1fy71hLFMF6892dlPyzx3ae8uikoPHnA23J8CUEWM8G73OzbOQxPPjDi-Al4Yl8dKDoprIhlMY7S7lGlpC0BB9WTxKE4p7P8U3PhP2fcSoQfgKp6p9GY5jyQLi7URYnaPfhsAAV6zLWq657iknMTtu7q6EZB1U857q5tl3JTRqTzfTnAu-sBpjgmiGBu9nyqjh8L4GVPMyo6VMNNGm_tuDGcyz4FRkrSLBiwiQ7Vg7ElSTibz_2scW_zUzVIEg-DkJ_HzkCFV6jOFMswL-swQBK__2V-exAvsq49-Wc623K9C3zuO4rqCuEiwFw4yk7u81rcow=w1173-h659-no)
I'm not quite sure what they're hiding on the signs... :hmmm:
"Toll bridge" perhaps
Yes, what was under those covers (and is now exposed) is TOLL BRIDGE.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 24, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
Yes, what was under those covers (and is now exposed) is TOLL BRIDGE.
But they're not being tolled until the 30th I'm pretty sure. I am thinking about going down there on Monday (the 26th) and drive on both of the new bridges before the tolling commences.
Quote from: US 41 on December 24, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 24, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
Yes, what was under those covers (and is now exposed) is TOLL BRIDGE.
But they're not being tolled until the 30th I'm pretty sure. I am thinking about going down there on Monday (the 26th) and drive on both of the new bridges before the tolling commences.
Tolling begins at 4am on the 30th. Don't ask my why they chose 4am.
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 24, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 24, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on December 24, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
Yes, what was under those covers (and is now exposed) is TOLL BRIDGE.
But they're not being tolled until the 30th I'm pretty sure. I am thinking about going down there on Monday (the 26th) and drive on both of the new bridges before the tolling commences.
Tolling begins at 4am on the 30th. Don't ask my why they chose 4am.
Guess I'll be paying the toll, then. I'm off the 30th and had planned to go down and check out the new Lewis & Clark Bridge (having already driven the new downtown bridge a few weeks ago.)
Quote from: billtm on December 21, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
Sorry for posting these so long after the photos were taken. I took them on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, heading northbound.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1QqobPBMd0Xj6wYulreS_cLzAYFkBJU8Z4YoMZYziPGkGvVOxV8HMxx2FDepBrdKhDE_uM80_-LO7s4ggS64T9Asq37YXNEfg_Fb3aqduJbGVfEkgLqVUSAHgbtn9QT1-iovSeio3TWy56u-YM3wIl-Dkb5cWEA1_9gjjkZyrLRNUbUde7l6EQJlODfqv4uZ6ssyfW2ShlPzixpZiLkMzatfTqBH113sSSEJZkWm0Ci50Rso-P_W0QZTdxmVs1dR99PK2pEyr2mk6-hrPa8OgAIImlNmvw3HvDm38gcFzo5cx81Mxz5xEMA_PTB-Yvvx425tnPfjsZNweZlAnHwQ56Olfm_oiZe3D-YSHMZm5hPfdmPCXE74WexF9uX4ItiS9SQeLl-TNpkmqmq4S532Y4L0RdyVl4MUlzSbVXzixg7mUfAOfBC0q-Iu1kS2s-64zmuiFIAbVx4DTIibFP6KXDKjDZEpiGZbUWYntcPNX20zgtFoy-dXwdliCR_2C6XVnqLSb3NUWuudJyNgDtYbaHhX-fmAy2aqYBCMkbNTDVRv1oGCWzY4tK2gmVwGX63HHFeX1VDmuWBrLLaBR76bSvGNpA-XSN8nJQmYpQMugloTZ_PZQLiUUNQFT4RnImeuBBAQeG_1uOqO4vDU8JQvIYXPAWzzv12TNhx-ws2sKA=w1173-h659-no)
Great view of all 3 bridges. Also, the super short dotted line is interesting.
Shorter striping indicates the lane is exit only up ahead.
https://louisvilleky.gov/government/police/thunder-over-louisville-street-closures
Reminder of the annual road/bridge closures for the upcoming Thunder Over Louisville Fireworks Display, the largest annual fireworks display in North America.
All interstates within the I-264(KY)/I-265(IN) loop will be closed Saturday from 9pm-11:30pm, which includes the I-65 bridges (Kennedy and Lincoln). I-264/I-265 will serve as the detour routes.
The Clark (US 31) bridge will be closed from 9:30 am Thursday through 2pm Sunday. I-65 serves as the detour route
Quote from: rte66man on January 05, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: billtm on December 21, 2016, 09:31:43 PM
Sorry for posting these so long after the photos were taken. I took them on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, heading northbound.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1QqobPBMd0Xj6wYulreS_cLzAYFkBJU8Z4YoMZYziPGkGvVOxV8HMxx2FDepBrdKhDE_uM80_-LO7s4ggS64T9Asq37YXNEfg_Fb3aqduJbGVfEkgLqVUSAHgbtn9QT1-iovSeio3TWy56u-YM3wIl-Dkb5cWEA1_9gjjkZyrLRNUbUde7l6EQJlODfqv4uZ6ssyfW2ShlPzixpZiLkMzatfTqBH113sSSEJZkWm0Ci50Rso-P_W0QZTdxmVs1dR99PK2pEyr2mk6-hrPa8OgAIImlNmvw3HvDm38gcFzo5cx81Mxz5xEMA_PTB-Yvvx425tnPfjsZNweZlAnHwQ56Olfm_oiZe3D-YSHMZm5hPfdmPCXE74WexF9uX4ItiS9SQeLl-TNpkmqmq4S532Y4L0RdyVl4MUlzSbVXzixg7mUfAOfBC0q-Iu1kS2s-64zmuiFIAbVx4DTIibFP6KXDKjDZEpiGZbUWYntcPNX20zgtFoy-dXwdliCR_2C6XVnqLSb3NUWuudJyNgDtYbaHhX-fmAy2aqYBCMkbNTDVRv1oGCWzY4tK2gmVwGX63HHFeX1VDmuWBrLLaBR76bSvGNpA-XSN8nJQmYpQMugloTZ_PZQLiUUNQFT4RnImeuBBAQeG_1uOqO4vDU8JQvIYXPAWzzv12TNhx-ws2sKA=w1173-h659-no)
Great view of all 3 bridges. Also, the super short dotted line is interesting.
Shorter striping indicates the lane is exit only up ahead.
Nice picture -- this sort of reminds me of the twinned I-80 Carquinez crossings with one exception: cable stayed vs. suspension -- but the physical visage is similar -- a new suspended structure next to a truss/cantilevered one. New bridge is not too shabby!