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IHOP / International House of Pancakes has announced a pending name change to IHOB.  Rumor has it the B stands for burgers, as IHOP is planning to introduce several new burgers.

I'm thinking the name change is more a publicity gimmick than an actual change. 

IHOP's breakfast food is still much more prominent than everything else they have. It's one of the few restaurant chains that isn't busy at 6 PM on Saturday.

If the burgers flop, IHOB could say the B stands for breakfast.

It stands for botulism.

Quote from: 1 on June 08, 2018, 10:30:52 AM
IHOP's breakfast food is still much more prominent than everything else they have. It's one of the few restaurant chains that isn't busy at 6 PM on Saturday.

I ate at my local IHOP a couple weeks ago: I wasn't impressed. Mediocre food, mediocre service.

What it sounds like, in today's world of the media and reporters wanting to be first on the story and not understanding the story, and a gullible public who could care less about facts, is that this was purely a fun tweet that IHOP sent.  There's absolutely nothing going on in regards to a name change, especially one that's supposedly going to happen a whole 3 days from now.

But, kudos to IHOP for creating a marketing frenzy for what it cost to send a tweet.

I suspect it's a short-lived publicity stunt for a chain in a segment that's been sputtering for decades (the "breakfast-plus-a-weak-lunch/dinner-menu"  restaurant–see also Denny's, Perkins, etc.).

The fall-off in business after the breakfast rush is through is something all of the above chains have struggled with seemingly forever. Even in this 1969 TV commercial (https://youtu.be/TK8OTMfydE0)–which may have been IHOP's first national advertisement–the company was already trying to address the issue: "It may say "˜Pancakes' outside, but there's a lot more inside" . Twenty years later, IHOP's commercials were still trying to make the same point (https://youtu.be/s66u4llIcUc). And again (https://youtu.be/1z6R718WLUs).

So if "B"  turns out to be burgers, burritos, or beef, it might be yet another attempt to get people to think of IHOP after breakfast time has ended.

Actually, I believe the company's announcement more specifically states that the logo is being turned "upside down" –so that IHOp becomes IHOb. So the "upside down"  element might be key–and perhaps the company will be launching some kind of new menu item...like upside down pancakes with butter and syrup baked onto the bottom.

But either way, the company has succeeded in one regard: People who never think about or talk about IHOP are now thinking and talking about it. Whether that translates into bodies in the booths and dollars in the till is another matter.

Quote from: oscar on June 08, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
If the burgers flop, IHOB could say the B stands for breakfast.

I just assumed that the B would turn out to be for Breakfast.

Mainly because I wouldn't dream of going there for a meal that wasn't breakfast.

I once really had to poo while eating breakfast at an IHOP. I was almost taking the name literally making my way to the restroom.

Quote from: briantroutman on June 08, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
I suspect it’s a short-lived publicity stunt for a chain in a segment that’s been sputtering for decades (the “breakfast-plus-a-weak-lunch/dinner-menu” restaurant—see also Denny’s, Perkins, etc.).

Actual numbers show the exact opposite: Sales have increased over $700 MILLION in the past 9 years alone.

By 2025, I guarantee it will stand for bankruptcy.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2018, 11:44:23 AM

Quote from: briantroutman on June 08, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
I suspect it's a short-lived publicity stunt for a chain in a segment that's been sputtering for decades (the "breakfast-plus-a-weak-lunch/dinner-menu"  restaurant–see also Denny's, Perkins, etc.).

Actual numbers show the exact opposite: Sales have increased over $700 MILLION in the past 9 years alone.

Applebee's will drag them down, hard. Also, that sales increase is only marginally above the rate of inflation ($2.6 to $3.3 billion for IHOP).

Maybe they're getting beer licenses so IHOB could stand for International House of Beer.  :sombrero:

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 08, 2018, 12:04:51 PM
Maybe they're getting beer licenses so IHOB could stand for International House of Beer.  :sombrero:

Kegs 'n' Eggs!

That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Z981

Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Z981

Waffle House doesn't serve pancakes. IHOP does serve waffles.

Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Z981

Oh no, they also sell gargantuan portions of mediocre food.

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Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Z981

Waffle House doesn't serve pancakes. IHOP does serve waffles.

Jimmy's Egg serves more than eggs, as does The Egg and I

Quote from: 1 on June 08, 2018, 10:30:52 AM
IHOP's breakfast food is still much more prominent than everything else they have. It's one of the few restaurant chains that isn't busy at 6 PM on Saturday.

We used to have a Toastmaster club meet there in the meeting room.  They loved us because the rest of the place was always empty.

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Quote from: 1 on June 08, 2018, 12:46:34 PM

Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Z981

Waffle House doesn't serve pancakes. IHOP does serve waffles.

Jimmy's Egg serves more than eggs, as does The Egg and I

They also serve I!

My mom doesn't go to Chili's because (she claims) their food is too spicy.

Quote from: texaskdog on June 08, 2018, 02:35:39 PM
the meeting room

I could never figure out why my local IHOP in DC had one of those rooms.  I just figured it was intended to be the smoking section and DC banned smoking in restaurants after construction had begun.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
My mom doesn't go to Chili's because (she claims) their food is too spicy.

I find them to generally be rather bland

IHOP is inconsistent.  The one on Wolf Road in Albany is the greasiest of greasy spoons -- absolutely disgusting.  The one in College Park, MD is cheap and at least edible.

My irreverent half-joking aside, the one here on SE 14th St in Des Moines is actually pretty nice. The wait for one's order is very reasonable, even if it's busy, and the place looks clean. Of course, if I go there on a weekday morning (any time I've ever gone), I'm the second youngest non-employee there... :-D (The youngest is my sister, who really loves IHOP for some reason, and is the person who invites me there for breakfast.)

Not an IHOP fan. I actually prefer Denny's, should I have to choose between the two.

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Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
My mom doesn't go to Chili's because (she claims) their food is too spicy.

I find them to generally be rather bland

I wouldn't mind forming an opinion, if there were one in Seattle. I honestly haven't been there enough to know whether I like it or not.

Witness the power of marketing–we all agree this is cheesy but we're still talking about it. Who talks about IHOP?

Quote from: briantroutman on June 08, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
Actually, I believe the company's announcement more specifically states that the logo is being turned "upside down" –so that IHOp becomes IHOb.

Wouldn't upside down IHOp be dOHI?

I must be in the minority...I will order from IHOP's lunch/dinner menu before I order breakfast. Their beef tips are delicious.

Breakfast out is reserved for either Huddle- or Waffle House.

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The "B" in IHOB could stand for another breakfast item: biscuits! There are all kinds of ways to smother, cover, & stuff biscuits...as long as the biscuits are actually made from scratch & taste flakey & fresh.

Quote from: cjk374 on June 09, 2018, 08:30:00 AM
I must be in the minority...I will order from IHOP's lunch/dinner menu before I order breakfast. Their beef tips are delicious.

Breakfast out is reserved for either Huddle- or Waffle House.

Well, it helps to live in a place where either of those restaurants exist. Neither of those restaurants have locations near me nor the places I frequently visit.

Edit: A Google Maps search suggests the closest Waffle House to me is in St. Joseph, MO. I suspect Huddle House would be just as far away, if not more so.

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 09, 2018, 05:47:09 AM
Wouldn't upside down IHOp be dOHI?

Rotated 180° (around the Z axis), it's dOHI, but flipped 180° (around the X axis), it's IHOb.

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Several people have already noted the (hopefully unintended) similarity to the o.b. tampon logo. This vertical flip also spoils the "nose"  in IHOP's fairly recently added smiley face. More proof that this is just a stunt.

In a semi-related story (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2018/06/prweb15551071.htm), some small-time appliance distributor in Canada seized upon IHOP's sideshow joke to announce that the company would be changing its name to dOHI and would offer to buy IHOP franchisees' unneeded dOHI signs for a fair price.

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Quote from: cjk374 on June 09, 2018, 08:30:00 AM
I must be in the minority...I will order from IHOP's lunch/dinner menu before I order breakfast. Their beef tips are delicious.

Breakfast out is reserved for either Huddle- or Waffle House.

Well, it helps to live in a place where either of those restaurants exist. Neither of those restaurants have locations near me nor the places I frequently visit.

Edit: A Google Maps search suggests the closest Waffle House to me is in St. Joseph, MO. I suspect Huddle House would be just as far away, if not more so.

Kansas City

I figure this is a stunt along the lines of Pizza Hut supposedly changing their name to Pasta Hut about a decade ago.

The last time I ate at an IHOP was for dinner in Terre Haute while on the road. I don't specifically remember what I got, but at those types of places I usually order off the breakfast menu regardless of time of day. It kinda occupies a space in my mind as fine for what it is, but not someplace I'd go out of my way to eat at either.

I saw the commercial last night and we ate there this morning.  The server just said they were coming out with a new menu with more burgers on it.  What was funny was EVERY server looked like Chris Farley as the lunch lady.

Quote from: texaskdog on June 10, 2018, 11:15:07 PM
I saw the commercial last night and we ate there this morning.  The server just said they were coming out with a new menu with more burgers on it.  What was funny was EVERY server looked like Chris Farley as the lunch lady.

Sloppy joe, SLOP, SLOPPY JOE

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Quote from: texaskdog on June 10, 2018, 11:15:07 PM
I saw the commercial last night and we ate there this morning.  The server just said they were coming out with a new menu with more burgers on it.  What was funny was EVERY server looked like Chris Farley as the lunch lady.

Sloppy joe, SLOP, SLOPPY JOE

Our server was large, had the big black glasses, and she had a topknot.  Someone else brought out the food, they looked like twins.  There were a couple others that could be their sisters.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/lunch-lady/n10528

It's Official:  International House of Burgers...and they admit it's a publicity gimmick.
Beats Burgers and Borscht, I guess 

Quote from: briantroutman on June 09, 2018, 10:49:59 AMSeveral people have already noted the (hopefully unintended) similarity to the o.b. tampon logo. This vertical flip also spoils the "nose"  in IHOP's fairly recently added smiley face. More proof that this is just a stunt.

:rofl: I didn't even think of such until you mentioned it but you're right.

Is o.b. even still around?  I remember when it was first advertised during the late 70s.

Marketing Blunder 101.

Quote from: US71 on June 11, 2018, 11:10:04 AM
It's Official:  International House of Burgers...and they admit it's a publicity gimmick.
Beats Burgers and Borscht, I guess 

Their original message said it was a gimmick. The media ran with it though and made it sound a lot more permanent.

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 11, 2018, 11:14:23 AM
Is o.b. even still around?  I remember when it was first advertised during the late 70s.

Yes–my wife's preferred brand.

So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

There is a diner in Pt Pleasant NJ called the OB Diner.. stands for Ocean Bay.. because it is near the ocean and Barnegat Bay

Z981

Quote from: briantroutman on June 11, 2018, 12:03:23 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 11, 2018, 11:14:23 AM
Is o.b. even still around?  I remember when it was first advertised during the late 70s.

Yes—my wife's preferred brand.

Sad that you know that.  You'd do well on the newlywed game though.

Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

But they do!    :D

I especially like their seasoning.  So much so that I've bought it on a few occasions!

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

What?  They're delicious!  But Red Robin does what many restaurants do with "unlimited" food: Bring you progressively smaller and smaller portions every time you ask for more.

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

Red Robin is not on my menu due to poor service

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

Steak fries are the mad note!

At Red Robin and several other restaurants, I've read the reviews of people having slow service at their table.  However, I always sit at the bar, and have found the service to be exceptionally great there.  Fry refills are usually quickly taken care of as well.  As the bartender is always there, you're never waiting long for them to notice that you may need something!

Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 11, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
At Red Robin and several other restaurants, I've read the reviews of people having slow service at their table.  However, I always sit at the bar, and have found the service to be exceptionally great there.  Fry refills are usually quickly taken care of as well.  As the bartender is always there, you're never waiting long for them to notice that you may need something!

If you are by yourself, that table of two that walked in after you will have their order taken first and receive their food before you do. If you file a complaint, there is much buck passing before nothing gets done.

Now that I think about it, we have had inattentive service at RR, but never so bad that it made us want to not return.

The experience must be different out east. Red Robin is consistently the fastest sit down service in Western Washington. Most of the time, I can be in and out in 25 or 30 minutes max.

Honestly, I go to RR about once or twice a month, and this is consistently my experience. On exactly one occasion, I've had the food take a while (45+ mins) but I was with a table of 20, so it was expected.

The B meme is nothing new.

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

But they do!    :D

Not really, IMO. I'm with texaskdog. Their fries are OK, but usually soggy (or maybe "saturated"?) unless you ask for extra crispy, which helps some. The fries should be much better for how good their burgers are.

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

But they do!    :D

Not really, IMO. I'm with texaskdog. Their fries are OK, but usually soggy (or maybe "saturated"?) unless you ask for extra crispy, which helps some. The fries should be much better for how good their burgers are.

Steak fries are thicker than regular fries, so they naturally give off a more saturated taste. Even extra crispy, there's still plenty of potato in each bite. If that's not your thing, by all means.

Quote from: jakeroot on June 11, 2018, 06:05:14 PM
Steak fries are thicker than regular fries, so they naturally give off a more saturated taste. Even extra crispy, there's still plenty of potato in each bite. If that's not your thing, by all means.

I don't dislike steak fries, but I guess I'd take thinner, less potato-ey fries if I had a choice.

The single reason for patronizing IHOP, as far as I'm concerned (as well as the concurring opinion of quite a few of my partners/friends/acquaintances) is the wide selection of pancake syrups -- of particular importance on their periodic "all you can eat pancake" promotions.  Otherwise, chains such as Denny's and Norm's (particular to SoCal) do much better overall breakfasts (with better quality meat ingredients as well -- IHOP sausage is really salty!).  But it's something of a guilty pleasure (one that I indulge in only once or twice per year during the aforementioned promotions) to eat several "short stacks" of pancakes, each with a different syrup topping.  But, alas, the IHOP closest to home closed up last year -- so we have to schlep down to Oakridge Mall to partake of that specific combination of carbs & sugar!  Have only done that trip once, since it isn't near anything else of interest (I avoid malls like the plague!); that alone will almost ensure that IHOP trips will be most likely a once-a-year novelty.

As far as chain restaurants go, IHOP has the second-best pancakes (the best are at Original Pancake House).

Quote from: abefroman329 on June 12, 2018, 09:00:04 AM
As far as chain restaurants go, IHOP has the second-best pancakes (the best are at Original Pancake House).

Elmers, in Portland, had the best breakfasts -- including their pancakes and waffles -- that I've had in the past couple of decades -- at least since the Nut Tree in Vacaville, CA (right at the junction of I-80 & I-505) closed down in the early '90's.  I'd been going there since I was a kid -- there was just something about their recipe that elevated the pancakes/waffles above the rest.  But back circa '75 I was dating a girl who'd worked as a hostess there when she was in high school who revealed what made the recipe kick ass:  adding both malted milk (Carnation) and "cookbook vanilla" (thick glycerine-based vanilla flavoring w/o alcohol) to the batter!  I've tried it -- and it works!  About a heaping tablespoon of malted milk and a level tablespoon of vanilla per quart of batter does it.  If you can't find cookbook vanilla, you can use regular vanilla extract -- if you mix it 1:1 with simple sugar syrup (just the alcohol-based extract tends to make the batter runny).  You're welcome!

Still the best place for food at 3am when Taco Bell isn't available or close  :-D :-D

Quote from: Takumi on June 11, 2018, 05:36:15 PM
The B meme is nothing new.

I was going to say.  I'm not eating at ihoB unless they replace the "p" in the logo with an actual B emoji.

No IHOZ references yet? :)

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

What?  They're delicious!  But Red Robin does what many restaurants do with "unlimited" food: Bring you progressively smaller and smaller portions every time you ask for more.

I've had them bring seconds on fries that were paltry, and other times, enough that you couldn't possibly ask for thirds...

Biggest with issue Red Robin is the inconsistent wait times for a burger. I've had 15 minute-waits, and 40-minute waits for my order. Service and cleanliness are a little varied, but nothing terrible. Food is quite consistent, though.

Now that the pancake game is wide open...

(https://i.imgur.com/IuQRaD4.jpg)

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On a somewhat related note, Applebee's has opened its first-ever combination IHOP & Applebee's in downtown Detroit's Millender Center.   Someone on one of the local forums said that they should call it "IHOPlebees." :)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/06/12/1st-applebees-ihop-opens-millender-center/692620002/

Quote from: catch22 on June 12, 2018, 01:47:02 PM
On a somewhat related note, Applebee's has opened its first-ever combination IHOP & Applebee's in downtown Detroit's Millender Center.   Someone on one of the local forums said that they should call it "IHOPlebees." :)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/dining/2018/06/12/1st-applebees-ihop-opens-millender-center/692620002/

Or Applehop.

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Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Oh no, they also sell gargantuan portions of mediocre food.

That's what I remember.  Excuse me, but I don't need my dessert to be HALF A GALLON OF ICE CREAM!  It's not like I'm going to take the rest home in a doggy bag.

The funny thing is, I think I've already ordered more burgers at IHOP than pancakes. When I worked third shift, people would sometimes invite me to hit up IHOP with them after work, and after nine hours on my feet, I needed something with protein.

For decades, when we'd go out for brunch and the rest of the family would order breakfast foods, my dad would order a hamburger.

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Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Oh no, they also sell gargantuan portions of mediocre food.

That's what I remember.  Excuse me, but I don't need my dessert to be HALF A GALLON OF ICE CREAM!  It's not like I'm going to take the rest home in a doggy bag.

We had a theory that the "gargantuan portions of mediocre food at high prices" thing was deliberate, since they knew you were coming to order dessert and had to eat a meal before that, so why not sell you an entire side of beef for $500?

Apparently now they have some sort of "healthy eating" menu.  Must consist entirely of entrees that are under 2000 calories.

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Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Oh no, they also sell gargantuan portions of mediocre food.

That's what I remember.  Excuse me, but I don't need my dessert to be HALF A GALLON OF ICE CREAM!  It's not like I'm going to take the rest home in a doggy bag.

We had a theory that the "gargantuan portions of mediocre food at high prices" thing was deliberate, since they knew you were coming to order dessert and had to eat a meal before that, so why not sell you an entire side of beef for $500?

Apparently now they have some sort of "healthy eating" menu.  Must consist entirely of entrees that are under 2000 calories.

Rabbit food.

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Quote from: jwolfer on June 08, 2018, 12:42:22 PM
That's the problem when a restaurant has limitations in their name.. for the longest time I thought Cheesecake Factory only did desserts..

Oh no, they also sell gargantuan portions of mediocre food.

That's what I remember.  Excuse me, but I don't need my dessert to be HALF A GALLON OF ICE CREAM!  It's not like I'm going to take the rest home in a doggy bag.

We had a theory that the "gargantuan portions of mediocre food at high prices" thing was deliberate, since they knew you were coming to order dessert and had to eat a meal before that, so why not sell you an entire side of beef for $500?

Apparently now they have some sort of "healthy eating" menu.  Must consist entirely of entrees that are under 2000 calories.

Rabbit food.

Carrot cake?

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Quote from: Takumi on June 11, 2018, 05:36:15 PM
The B meme is nothing new.

I was going to say.  I'm not eating at ihoB unless they replace the "p" in the logo with an actual B emoji.

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Quote from: abefroman329 on June 11, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
So they're offering unlimited fries with their burgers in an attempt to compete with Red Robin.  What's the other major chain that's also doing that?  I think it's TGI Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, or Applebee's.

If only Red Robin had good fries

Red Robin is not on my menu due to poor service

Red Robin is not on my menu because if I want an overcooked hockey puck, I am perfectly capable of making that all on my own!

Hopefully IHOP can make their burgers not overcooked. I don't order burgers at places that are known for breakfast anymore because of a bad experience I had at Cracker Barrel. I ordered a burger cooked medium at a Cracker Barrel in Florida and it came out looking like a sausage with mayonnaise on it (HATE mayonnaise).

There are only two ways to cook a burger -- well-done and e coli.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 23, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
There are only two ways to cook a burger -- well-done and e coli.

Burgers can be done other than well-done without risk of food-borne illness. The meat just has to be very carefully cut and ground on clean equipment.

That said, I wouldn't trust any ground beef from a restaurant (one that isn't super fancy, anyway) or supermarket to have been properly prepared.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 23, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
There are only two ways to cook a burger -- well-done and e coli.

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Quote from: hbelkins on June 23, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
There are only two ways to cook a burger -- well-done and e coli.

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Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 23, 2018, 08:33:02 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on June 23, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
There are only two ways to cook a burger -- well-done and e coli.

Burgers can be done other than well-done without risk of food-borne illness. The meat just has to be very carefully cut and ground on clean equipment.

That said, I wouldn't trust any ground beef from a restaurant (one that isn't super fancy, anyway) or supermarket to have been properly prepared.

Read up on health reports from various restaurants. A place charging $20 for a burger can have just as many issues as a place charging $1 for a burger.

I've seen a number of places that will not fix a burger in any way other than well-done. Still others have disclaimers that eating a burger cooked less than well-done puts all legal liability for illness on the consumer, not the restaurant.

IHOB = FAIL (https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/remember-ihop-changing-its-name-to-ihob-it-didnt-work-say-those-who-claim-to-know.html)

I don't know that I'd order a burger cooked below medium, but I've eaten many burgers cooked to medium and not gotten sick, so.

Quote from: hbelkins on June 24, 2018, 03:05:31 PM
I've seen a number of places that will not fix a burger in any way other than well-done. Still others have disclaimers that eating a burger cooked less than well-done puts all legal liability for illness on the consumer, not the restaurant.

They say the same thing about undercooked eggs.

Quote from: US71 on June 24, 2018, 03:27:29 PM
IHOB = FAIL (https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/remember-ihop-changing-its-name-to-ihob-it-didnt-work-say-those-who-claim-to-know.html)

This info is based on Foursquare, the app that no one uses anymore.  "Foursquare's foot traffic data shows that it didn't deliver an actual boost in foot traffic. This is the data all marketers should all be paying attention to," Sarah Spagnolo, director of communications and editor at large at Foursquare, told Adweek."

There are numerous, real sources that can gage sales at a restaurant - namely, the restaurant and their financial statements.

I'm still laughing at a post from the IHOB parody account on Facebook that read "If you don't like the fact that we changed our name then the B is for Balls and you can suck ours."

Why mess with a good thing?

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Quote from: US71 on June 26, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Coca-Cola did a marvelous marketing job back in the late 80s.  :pan: :-D

Quote from: cjk374 on June 26, 2018, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: US71 on June 26, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Coca-Cola did a marvelous marketing job back in the late 80s.  :pan: :-D

Like 7Up Gold ;)

Quote from: cjk374 on June 26, 2018, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: US71 on June 26, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Coca-Cola did a marvelous marketing job back in the late 80s.  :pan: :-D

If you're referring to the New Coke debacle; such occurred right smack in the middle of the 1980s... 1985.

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2018, 09:13:47 AM

Quote from: cjk374 on June 26, 2018, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: US71 on June 26, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Coca-Cola did a marvelous marketing job back in the late 80s.  :pan: :-D

If you're referring to the New Coke debacle; such occurred right smack in the middle of the 1980s... 1985.

Close enough :)

Quote from: cjk374 on June 26, 2018, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: US71 on June 26, 2018, 09:44:39 AM

Quote from: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
Why mess with a good thing?

Marketing

Coca-Cola did a marvelous marketing job back in the late 80s.  :pan: :-D

Yes they did.  Despite what the deniers (including Snopes) out there will tell you, New Coke was deliberately set up to fail.  It was a clever ploy to distract people from the fact they changed the Coke formula (now Coca Cola Classic) from mostly sugar/partially HFCS to mostly HCFS/partially sugar.  Management knew they couldn't just make the switch blindly without upsetting their customer base, so they developed the truly awful New Coke formula KNOWING people would object to it, then quickly "re-introduced" Coke Classic with the revised formula.

In the mid-1980s, I was an avid cola drinker.  Had no preference for any particular brand (although I considered New Coke to be one of the most vile brews ever created), but I could distinguish between cola brands just by taste.  And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AMIn the mid-1980s, I was an avid cola drinker.  Had no preference for any particular brand (although I considered New Coke to be one of the most vile brews ever created), but I could distinguish between cola brands just by taste.  And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

FWIW, there are some stores (Stop-and-Shop in your area) that sells Coke (& other Coca-Cola based products) in glass bottles that are brought in from Mexico.  Those list sugar instead of HFCS in the ingredients.  That's probably as close as one can get to the taste of the pre-new Coke formula in the U.S.

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2018, 10:36:26 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AMIn the mid-1980s, I was an avid cola drinker.  Had no preference for any particular brand (although I considered New Coke to be one of the most vile brews ever created), but I could distinguish between cola brands just by taste.  And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

FWIW, there are some stores (Stop-and-Shop in your area) that sells Coke (& other Coca-Cola based products) in glass bottles that are brought in from Mexico.  Those list sugar instead of HFCS in the ingredients.  That's probably as close as one can get to the taste of the pre-new Coke formula in the U.S.

Thanks.  I am aware of the imported glass bottles for Coke, which have been sold for several years in the Boston area.  However, since my kidney failure in 2012, I have had to abstain from any "dark" sodas such as Coke and Pepsi (and/or their "diet" variants).  The issue is not so much with the sugar/HFCS, but rather with the colorings and preservatives (high potassium and phosphorous).

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:55:57 AM

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2018, 10:36:26 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AMIn the mid-1980s, I was an avid cola drinker.  Had no preference for any particular brand (although I considered New Coke to be one of the most vile brews ever created), but I could distinguish between cola brands just by taste.  And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

FWIW, there are some stores (Stop-and-Shop in your area) that sells Coke (& other Coca-Cola based products) in glass bottles that are brought in from Mexico.  Those list sugar instead of HFCS in the ingredients.  That's probably as close as one can get to the taste of the pre-new Coke formula in the U.S.

Thanks.  I am aware of the imported glass bottles for Coke, which have been sold for several years in the Boston area.  However, since my kidney failure in 2012, I have had to abstain from any "dark" sodas such as Coke and Pepsi (and/or their "diet" variants).  The issue is not so much with the sugar/HFCS, but rather with the colorings and preservatives (high potassium and phosphorous).

I'm sorry to hear that.  However & not to sound like a health-nut, you're probably better off not drinking soda of any type in the long run... kidney failure or no kidney failure.

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2018, 11:19:46 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:55:57 AM

Quote from: PHLBOS on June 27, 2018, 10:36:26 AM

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AMIn the mid-1980s, I was an avid cola drinker.  Had no preference for any particular brand (although I considered New Coke to be one of the most vile brews ever created), but I could distinguish between cola brands just by taste.  And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

FWIW, there are some stores (Stop-and-Shop in your area) that sells Coke (& other Coca-Cola based products) in glass bottles that are brought in from Mexico.  Those list sugar instead of HFCS in the ingredients.  That's probably as close as one can get to the taste of the pre-new Coke formula in the U.S.

Thanks.  I am aware of the imported glass bottles for Coke, which have been sold for several years in the Boston area.  However, since my kidney failure in 2012, I have had to abstain from any "dark" sodas such as Coke and Pepsi (and/or their "diet" variants).  The issue is not so much with the sugar/HFCS, but rather with the colorings and preservatives (high potassium and phosphorous).

I'm sorry to hear that.  However & not to sound like a health-nut, you're probably better off not drinking soda of any type in the long run... kidney failure or no kidney failure.

You are correct in that regard.  Well before the kidney failure, I had already cut back on my soda intake big time.  And the renal diet I'm currently on isn't too bad once I got used to it.

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AMDespite what the deniers (including Snopes) out there will tell you, New Coke was deliberately set up to fail.

Even if it was (and I believe the company representatives who insist it wasn't), that was a huge gamble for them to take.  They could have lost a ton of business if they'd pissed off their loyal fans so much, they refused to buy Coca-Cola again, New or Classic.  The most plausible theory to me is that they were losing market share to Pepsi, so they changed their formula to make it taste more like Pepsi.

Quote from: roadman on June 27, 2018, 10:09:15 AM
And Coca Cola Classic is NOT the same as the pre-New Coke formula.

I was always sure of this.

Coca-Cola. 

There are three theories about the 1985 launch of "new Coke".  There is no real evidence to prove any and most of the players have since died.

- The "they were geniuses" theory.  Coke had been losing market share to Pepsi for years.  Under this theory, new Coke (which tasted like iodine) was "set up to fail".  It was all a big publicity stunt to get people talking about "real Coke", which the company returned to making after only 78 days.

- The "they were idiots" theory.  Diet Coke (which tastes like iodine) was launched in 1982.  Unlike all previous diet whatevers, Diet Coke was not an attempt to just replace the sugar with whatever artificial sweetener was in vogue at the time, but had a purposefully different flavor than Coke.  Coke then taste tested what was just the Diet Coke formula with sugar, and, because most people will, when given a tiny sip, pick the sweeter whatever, this formula beat real Coke (same reason Pepsi always won the "Pepsi Challenge" )  Diet Coke with sugar became New Coke.  Management forgot that in the real world people do not drink tiny sips, and in real world useage the vile taste of New Coke was rejected.  (Diet Coke is and always has been a sugar free version of New Coke.  Coke finally launched Coca-Cola Zero in 2005, which is actually a sugar free version of real Coke.)

- The "it was all the lawyers" theory.  Coke was obligated,under a settlement coming from the wide swings in the price of sugar following WWI, to sell Coke syrup to its bottlers at a price determined by the price of sugar.  This was all well and good for many years, as sugar was by far the largest ingredient in Coke syrup, but by the 80s, inflation had pushed the cost of the other products to the point that Coke was approaching losing money.  The other Coke products, including Diet Coke, were not subject to this long ago agreement and were sold to the bottlers at a much higher profit.  KO's plan was to claim that "new Coke" was the "Coca-Cola" covered in the 1920 court documents and it would be glad to sell this at the loss.  Of course, it tasted like iodine and nobody wanted any.  Then "Coca-Cola Classic" was a "new" product and KO would sell that at a higher price.  Federal judge called BS, KO and its bottlers                                                                   settled and all was well.  I like this theory.

HFCS/sugar:

Coke, or any other sugared soda, can be made with either sugar or HFCS.  This varies according to price.  In the USA (understand the importance of Iowa in both parties' election process) HFCS, which is made from Iowa corn, gets a tax break. 

There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PMThere are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Maybe not (although I'll fight you to the death over whether pop tastes better when packaged in a glass bottle or an aluminum can), but if you can sell pop made with sugar for $1 more than pop made with HFCS, and it only costs ten cents to make, both producer and consumer will walk away from that transaction completely happy.

I was with you up until this point:

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PM
There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

Quote from: abefroman329 on June 27, 2018, 03:31:36 PM

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PMThere are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Maybe not (although I'll fight you to the death over whether pop tastes better when packaged in a glass bottle or an aluminum can), but if you can sell pop made with sugar for $1 more than pop made with HFCS, and it only costs ten cents to make, both producer and consumer will walk away from that transaction completely happy.

I noticed last week Jolt Cola is available again at Casey's General Store.

Speaking of IHOB/IHOP & Coke, IHOP sells Pepsi crap. I really hate this, not just because of the soda choice. Their sweet tea leaves alot to be desired.

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PM


There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

it's not junk science that my friend who has a corn allergy can't drink anything with HFCS. As for me. sugar formula tastes more bubbly and less flat than HFCS

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 27, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
I was with you up until this point:

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PM
There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

Probably wouldn't be any worse than eating a pound of sugar.

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PM
There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

American Heinz ketchup and Canadian Heinz ketchup are chiefly separated by the former using HFCS, and the latter using cane sugar. They do taste different; I personally prefer the Canadian recipe.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 27, 2018, 06:48:19 PM

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

Go ahead and drink, eat, inhale or otherwise ingest an massive overdose of about anything and let me know how that turns out for you.  Overdosing and then claiming some bad effect is one of the key elements of junk science, and, because of trial lawyers, why we cannot have nice things.

In the moderate amounts used, any product in any food, including HFCS, so-called GMOs (memo: people have been modifying the genetics of food since the dawn of mankind), or whatever else are 100% safe.

Quote from: SP Cook on June 28, 2018, 09:54:21 AM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 27, 2018, 06:48:19 PM

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

Go ahead and drink, eat, inhale or otherwise ingest an massive overdose of about anything and let me know how that turns out for you.  Overdosing and then claiming some bad effect is one of the key elements of junk science, and, because of trial lawyers, why we cannot have nice things.

In the moderate amounts used, any product in any food, including HFCS, so-called GMOs (memo: people have been modifying the genetics of food since the dawn of mankind), or whatever else are 100% safe.

HFCS is worse than regular sugar.

However, GMOs are safe. I think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 10:56:24 AMI think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

Why?  We don't require that of organic food, and there's nothing to suggest that organic food is actually better for you.

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 10:56:24 AM
HFCS is worse than regular sugar.

However, GMOs are safe. I think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

1. I came here to say this
2. I totally agree

Fructose is processed by the body slightly differently than sucrose is.

Quote from: abefroman329 on June 28, 2018, 11:16:33 AM

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 10:56:24 AMI think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

Why?  We don't require that of organic food, and there's nothing to suggest that organic food is actually better for you.

Remember, arsenic is organic.

Quote from: GaryV on June 28, 2018, 04:39:46 PM

Quote from: abefroman329 on June 28, 2018, 11:16:33 AM

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 10:56:24 AMI think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

Why?  We don't require that of organic food, and there's nothing to suggest that organic food is actually better for you.

Remember, arsenic is organic.

And cocaine is gluten-free.

Organic: that which contains carbon. Therefore, all fruits & veggies, no matter how processed, are organic.

Even humans are organic. So are turds. Organic label = fat stax! $$$  :pan:

Quote from: cjk374 on June 28, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
Organic: that which contains carbon. Therefore, all fruits & veggies, no matter how processed, are organic.

Even humans are organic. So are turds. Organic label = fat stax! $$$  :pan:

So chalk is organic? Not sure if you'd call calcium carbonate (or any metal-carbonate compound) organic.

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 27, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
I was with you up until this point:

Quote from: SP Cook on June 27, 2018, 03:24:50 PM
There is all sorts of junk science about the supposed bad effects of HFCS.  It is all loonie toons stuff.  HFCS is totally safe.  There are also lots of people who claim they can taste the difference, but no double blind taste test has ever produced anyone who actually can.

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

What would that prove?  I couldn't drink a gallon of ANYthing, even water, at a sitting without bad effects.

ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Quote from: 1 on June 28, 2018, 10:56:24 AM

Quote from: SP Cook on June 28, 2018, 09:54:21 AM

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 27, 2018, 06:48:19 PM

Go ahead, drink a gallon of HFCS, and let me know how that turns out for you.

Go ahead and drink, eat, inhale or otherwise ingest an massive overdose of about anything and let me know how that turns out for you.  Overdosing and then claiming some bad effect is one of the key elements of junk science, and, because of trial lawyers, why we cannot have nice things.

In the moderate amounts used, any product in any food, including HFCS, so-called GMOs (memo: people have been modifying the genetics of food since the dawn of mankind), or whatever else are 100% safe.

HFCS is worse than regular sugar.

However, GMOs are safe. I think that any food that advertises "no GMOs" as a selling point has to put a disclaimer that no difference in health has been found.

For me, If I drink regular Mt. Dew made with HFCS, my knees start aching almost immediately.  I don't have that problem if I drink Mt. Dew Throwback (made with real sugar), plus the taste difference is amazing.  I really don't like regular Mt. Dew that much anymore, but will drink Throwback every chance I get...

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked this is still news.  They said from the get-go they weren't changing their name.  The gotta-pounce-on-it-media and gullible public ate it up though...

No one thought they were actually changing their name, right? It's a classic promo stunt. Classic.

Quote from: dcharlie on July 10, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
For me, If I drink regular Mt. Dew made with HFCS, my knees start aching almost immediately.  I don't have that problem if I drink Mt. Dew Throwback (made with real sugar), plus the taste difference is amazing.  I really don't like regular Mt. Dew that much anymore, but will drink Throwback every chance I get...

That may be a sign of gout. I've heard that HFCS can be a trigger for a gout flare. Trust me, I know all about gout in the knees.

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

Pretty much what I thought

SM-G930V

Quote from: hbelkins on July 10, 2018, 02:43:37 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on July 10, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
For me, If I drink regular Mt. Dew made with HFCS, my knees start aching almost immediately.  I don't have that problem if I drink Mt. Dew Throwback (made with real sugar), plus the taste difference is amazing.  I really don't like regular Mt. Dew that much anymore, but will drink Throwback every chance I get...

That may be a sign of gout. I've heard that HFCS can be a trigger for a gout flare. Trust me, I know all about gout in the knees.

I am definitely bone on bone.  But I am learning that what I eat and drink makes a big difference in knee pain.  I do best on gluten free, but get sick of that pretty quickly...

Quote from: hbelkins on July 10, 2018, 02:43:37 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on July 10, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
For me, If I drink regular Mt. Dew made with HFCS, my knees start aching almost immediately.  I don't have that problem if I drink Mt. Dew Throwback (made with real sugar), plus the taste difference is amazing.  I really don't like regular Mt. Dew that much anymore, but will drink Throwback every chance I get...

That may be a sign of gout. I've heard that HFCS can be a trigger for a gout flare. Trust me, I know all about gout in the knees.

I have a friend who can't eat anything with corn, so HFCS is basically poison to her.

SM-G930V

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 10, 2018, 01:41:58 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked this is still news.  They said from the get-go they weren't changing their name.  The gotta-pounce-on-it-media and gullible public ate it up though...

Not to mention the creation of a now-6-page thread on this site.  :sombrero:

See, I knew this was too good to be true.

Quote from: Henry on July 11, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
See, I knew this was too good to be true.

Too good?

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 10, 2018, 01:41:58 PM

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Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked this is still news.  They said from the get-go they weren't changing their name.  The gotta-pounce-on-it-media and gullible public ate it up though...

Not to mention the creation of a now-6-page thread on this site.  :sombrero:

If a certain "thread which shalt not be named..." can make 72 pages....... :bigass:

Quote from: cjk374 on July 11, 2018, 02:40:59 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 10, 2018, 01:41:58 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked this is still news.  They said from the get-go they weren't changing their name.  The gotta-pounce-on-it-media and gullible public ate it up though...

Not to mention the creation of a now-6-page thread on this site.  :sombrero:

If a certain "thread which shalt not be named..." can make 72 pages....... :bigass:

Where did the other 8 go?

Quote from: 1 on July 11, 2018, 02:44:26 PM

Quote from: cjk374 on July 11, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
If a certain "thread which shalt not be named..." can make 72 pages....... :bigass:

Where did the other 8 go?

Yeah, I have it (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0) at 40 pages. Of course, I use the 50 posts per page setting.

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked, Shocked! to learn that companies use fake name changes as promotional stunts.

Quote from: kkt on July 12, 2018, 12:18:18 PM

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 10, 2018, 01:32:47 PM

Quote from: US71 on July 10, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
ihop  (https://percolately.com/alexm/ihop-has-officially-changed-its-name-back-from-ihob-and-theyre-celebrating-with-a-deal-on-pancakes-of-course/?utm_content=inf_4_4134_2&utm_source=tse&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=influencer&tse_id=INF_5810ea30844a11e8b766abf5860f5b45) is officially back, just in time for their 60th Anniversary and offering a deal on pancakes.

The way they keep changing their name, I wonder if they should be IHOW International House of Waffles ;)

Apparently the whole name change thing was just a promotional stunt.  Source (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shocking-ihop-admits-it-faked-ihob-name-change/).

I'm shocked, Shocked! to learn that companies use fake name changes as promotional stunts.

Which does me make me wonder. I mentioned a few posts up that this was a classic stunt, but I can't actually think of another example of a name change for a promo (at this moment). I'm sure it has happened; it sounds like a great way to get people talking.

I don't have time to look up the specifics, but offhand, I recall KFC "changing"  its name to "Kitchen Fresh Chicken"  and "Kentucky Grilled Chicken"  as part of promotional stunts. I believe Pizza Hut also "changed"  its name to "Pasta Hut"  and "The Hut"  as part of promotional efforts as well. (Coincidentally, both are owned by the same parent, Yum Brands.)

Radio Shack was for some time trying to make itself over as "The Shack" , and I seem to recall a few Circuit City stores that were signed as "The City" .

Then recently there was the news of Dunkin Donuts changing its name to just "Dunkin" , but I don't know what ever became of that.

The common thread seems to be that a brand is defined (perhaps misdefined) by a specific product mentioned in its name, and the promotional name change stunt is an effort to draw attention to the fact that the company offers more than that one marquee item.

Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Quote from: briantroutman on July 12, 2018, 02:30:50 PM
Then recently there was the news of Dunkin Donuts changing its name to just "Dunkin" , but I don't know what ever became of that.

That change is indeed actively being phased in.  Several new and reconstructed stores in the Boston area have already dropped 'Donuts' from the name.  In a recent news feature, the new CEO of the company indicated that implementing the name change chain-wide is one of his top priorities.  From a roadgeek perspective, it will be interesting to see how quickly BBS logos are changed to reflect the new name.

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Mickey D's has been used in some of McDonald's commercials that target the audience most likely to use that term.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2018, 03:22:19 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Mickey D's has been used in some of McDonald's commercials that target the audience most likely to use that term.

Oh, lol. My comment actually included a reference to Mickey D's (or McD's as I more often hear out here), but I deleted that part because I didn't think McDonalds used the term in any marketing.

Quote from: roadman on July 12, 2018, 03:15:38 PM
From a roadgeek perspective, it will be interesting to see how quickly BBS logos are changed to reflect the new name.

Several longstanding Dunkin Donuts stores that I know personally still have the '80s-'90s logo on posted on blue services signage. This is despite the fact that stores themselves have been extensively remodeled and have either version of the post-2000 logo (with coffee cup) on the building itself. So assuming that the franchisees didn't feel compelled to update the services signage since the pre-cup and post-cup logos are more or less "compatible"  (same colors, same typeface), I expect many of them will keep old "Dunkin Donuts"  services signs even after they've been remodeled yet again and "Donuts"  in not included on the on-store signage. (That is unless the new CEO decides to be particularly thorough about his re-signing plans.)

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 11, 2018, 10:35:57 AM

Quote from: Henry on July 11, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
See, I knew this was too good to be true.

Too good?

Good and IHOP= oxymoron

SM-G930V

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

It used to be BW3, back when they sold Wild Wings and Weck.

Quote from: abefroman329 on July 12, 2018, 08:42:31 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

It used to be BW3, back when they sold Wild Wings and Weck.

I heard from a Midwest friend of mine that it used to sell something else, but I couldn't remember what it was. They've only been in the Seattle market since 2011-ish, so that was never a thing here. Only two W's!

Quote from: briantroutman on July 12, 2018, 04:45:31 PM

Quote from: roadman on July 12, 2018, 03:15:38 PM
From a roadgeek perspective, it will be interesting to see how quickly BBS logos are changed to reflect the new name.

Several longstanding Dunkin Donuts stores that I know personally still have the ’80s-’90s logo on posted on blue services signage. This is despite the fact that stores themselves have been extensively remodeled and have either version of the post-2000 logo (with coffee cup) on the building itself. So assuming that the franchisees didn’t feel compelled to update the services signage since the pre-cup and post-cup logos are more or less “compatible” (same colors, same typeface), I expect many of them will keep old “Dunkin Donuts” services signs even after they’ve been remodeled yet again and “Donuts” in not included on the on-store signage. (That is unless the new CEO decides to be particularly thorough about his re-signing plans.)

Good point.  And, as I've noted elsewhere, it's interesting that on the older 1980s-1990s LOGOS, the word Dunkin is mostly faded out, but Donuts is still very legible.

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 04:18:33 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2018, 03:22:19 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Mickey D's has been used in some of McDonald's commercials that target the audience most likely to use that term.

Oh, lol. My comment actually included a reference to Mickey D's (or McD's as I more often hear out here), but I deleted that part because I didn't think McDonalds used the term in any marketing.

"Mickey D's Sweet Tea."

Quote from: hbelkins on July 13, 2018, 12:09:56 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 04:18:33 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2018, 03:22:19 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Mickey D's has been used in some of McDonald's commercials that target the audience most likely to use that term.

Oh, lol. My comment actually included a reference to Mickey D's (or McD's as I more often hear out here), but I deleted that part because I didn't think McDonalds used the term in any marketing.

"Mickey D's Sweet Tea."

Hmm. I'm not sure they advertised the sweet tea up here. I can't recall seeing any. But I see some ads on Youtube for the sweet tea dropping the "Mickey D's" line. Interesting.

Quote from: hbelkins on July 13, 2018, 12:09:56 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 04:18:33 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2018, 03:22:19 PM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 12, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
Ugh. I hate when companies try to give themselves nicknames. Nicknames are not a given; they're earned.

"B-dubs" for Buffalo Wild Wings, for example. They've picked up on the nickname, but far after I started hearing it in passing.

"BK" for Burger King, while not any sort of affectionate name, has been picked up by the company.

Mickey D's has been used in some of McDonald's commercials that target the audience most likely to use that term.

Oh, lol. My comment actually included a reference to Mickey D's (or McD's as I more often hear out here), but I deleted that part because I didn't think McDonalds used the term in any marketing.

"Mickey D's Sweet Tea."

I recall a few TV ads from the 1990s which mentioned "Mickey D's"...something along the lines of a inner-city teenager (Calvin?) proud to get his first job. They probably use it sparingly, because then it no longer makes any sort of impact.

For some parts of the U.S., it is the only commercially-available source of sweet tea.

Quote from: formulanone on July 14, 2018, 07:40:29 AM
For some parts of the U.S., it is the only commercially-available source of sweet tea.

I don't recall ever seeing sweet tea, even at McDonalds (though apparently they do have it). It wasn't until I visited the south a few years ago that I saw how popular it was.

I think you can get sweet tea at barbecue joints, but I don't frequent them too often (not great choice in Seattle metro) so I couldn't be sure.

Mac's

Australians call it "Mackers".

Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
Australians call it "Mackers".

"Maccas". We think there's an "r" in there because of rhetocity, but there's not actually an "r".

https://mcdonalds.com.au/about-maccas/maccas-story

Quote from: SSOWorld on July 15, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Mac's

Muck-chicken as a friend calls it

SM-G930V

Quote from: jakeroot on July 15, 2018, 04:01:30 PM

Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
Australians call it "Mackers".

"Maccas". We think there's an "r" in there because of rhetocity, but there's not actually an "r".
https://mcdonalds.com.au/about-maccas/maccas-story

Huh. Never seen it written before.
I googled "rhetocity" and go no results, so you must have been trying to say something else.

Quote from: webny99 on July 16, 2018, 08:59:13 AM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 15, 2018, 04:01:30 PM

Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
Australians call it "Mackers".

"Maccas". We think there's an "r" in there because of rhetocity, but there's not actually an "r".
https://mcdonalds.com.au/about-maccas/maccas-story

Huh. Never seen it written before.
I googled "rhetocity" and go no results, so you must have been trying to say something else.

Rhoticity

Australians don't like to say R's at the end of words, unless they have no reason to whatsoever.

Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 16, 2018, 10:25:03 AM
Australians don't like to say R's at the end of words, unless they have no reason to whatsoever.

Sounds like many Bostonians I've known including my uncle.

Quote from: 1 on July 16, 2018, 09:01:47 AM

Quote from: webny99 on July 16, 2018, 08:59:13 AM

Quote from: jakeroot on July 15, 2018, 04:01:30 PM

Quote from: webny99 on July 15, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
Australians call it "Mackers".

"Maccas". We think there's an "r" in there because of rhetocity, but there's not actually an "r".
https://mcdonalds.com.au/about-maccas/maccas-story

Huh. Never seen it written before.
I googled "rhetocity" and go no results, so you must have been trying to say something else.

Rhoticity

Thanks.

Quote from: PHLBOS on July 16, 2018, 11:59:31 AM

Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 16, 2018, 10:25:03 AM
Australians don't like to say R's at the end of words, unless they have no reason to whatsoever.

Sounds like many Bostonians I've known including my uncle.

It's the same thing. Older Bostonians speak rhotic English just like the British, Australians, Kiwi's, etc.

A story in today's USA Today:  "IHOP: Fake name change to IHOb to boost burger business was risk worth taking"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/07/19/ihop-chose-fish-where-fish-find-non-breakfast-footing/796897002/

One of our fellow road enthusiast buddies was interviewed for this story.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 19, 2018, 01:02:51 PM
A story in today's USA Today:  "IHOP: Fake name change to IHOb to boost burger business was risk worth taking"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/07/19/ihop-chose-fish-where-fish-find-non-breakfast-footing/796897002/

One of our fellow road enthusiast buddies was interviewed for this story.

he knows a lot about this stuff. ;)