New Jersey

[Tonytone]

Any other state would not create a loop from SB 109 to the Parkway.  Florida would make a T intersection with NJ 109 from the north ending at the intersection while the Parkway to NJ 109 from the south would default into each other.

Is that... an exit ramp... with a direct ramp... to an entrance ramp in the same direction? My brain bleeds.

Maybe its for the state troopers to camp it. Because you definitely cant make such a move on the main highway like that.


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[jeffandnicole]

Public meeting tonight in regards to replacing the NJ 73 overpass over US 130 in Pennsauken, NJ.

The public meeting notice is here:  https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/community/meetings/documents/handout101818rt73.docx .  What caught my eye is Rt. 73's "posted speed limit of 65 mph".  While that would be nice, and no doubt some people travel that fast, that's far from the actual posted speed of 50 mph in the area!  Rt. 73 maxes out at 55 mph much further south, but is never signed 65 mph.

The current overpass is actually made up of 3 different design types.  Shown here https://goo.gl/maps/QSEseQgeV9G2 is the original design to the left (now US 130 South) and one expansion to the right (US 130 North; note the curved beams on the right).  The 2nd is a GSV underneath - https://goo.gl/maps/UqdcUCj2vq52 - the original bridge (near the GSV, now NJ 73 South) has additional supports; the expansion (NJ 73 North) used longer beams. 

[PHLBOS]

The 2nd is a GSV underneath - https://goo.gl/maps/UqdcUCj2vq52 the original bridge (near the GSV, now NJ 73 South) has additional supports; the expansion (NJ 73 North) used longer beams.

GSV link fixed.

[jeffandnicole]

The 2nd is a GSV underneath - https://goo.gl/maps/UqdcUCj2vq52 the original bridge (near the GSV, now NJ 73 South) has additional supports; the expansion (NJ 73 North) used longer beams.

GSV link fixed.

Thanks.  Original post is fixed as well.

[Alps]

Public meeting tonight in regards to replacing the NJ 73 overpass over US 130 in Pennsauken, NJ.

The public meeting notice is here:  https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/community/meetings/documents/handout101818rt73.docx .  What caught my eye is Rt. 73's "posted speed limit of 65 mph".  While that would be nice, and no doubt some people travel that fast, that's far from the actual posted speed of 50 mph in the area!  Rt. 73 maxes out at 55 mph much further south, but is never signed 65 mph.

Let's find out who that consultant is and hire them a roadgeek.

[roadman65]

Public meeting tonight in regards to replacing the NJ 73 overpass over US 130 in Pennsauken, NJ.

The public meeting notice is here:  https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/community/meetings/documents/handout101818rt73.docx .  What caught my eye is Rt. 73's "posted speed limit of 65 mph".  While that would be nice, and no doubt some people travel that fast, that's far from the actual posted speed of 50 mph in the area!  Rt. 73 maxes out at 55 mph much further south, but is never signed 65 mph.

The current overpass is actually made up of 3 different design types.  Shown here https://goo.gl/maps/QSEseQgeV9G2 is the original design to the left (now US 130 South) and one expansion to the right (US 130 North; note the curved beams on the right).  The 2nd is a GSV underneath - https://goo.gl/maps/UqdcUCj2vq52 - the original bridge (near the GSV, now NJ 73 South) has additional supports; the expansion (NJ 73 North) used longer beams. 

We have many overpasses in FL that have been added 3 times and looking at it you see different piers or supports.  Never like the one where two different bridge types on both sides of the road on top as well as two completely different types over the roads on the bottom. 

Obviously US 130 was widened before NJ 73 was.

[BrianP]

Has anyone come across this before?  I noticed remnants of the old route from Pleasantville to Atlantic City.  There's a dead end road out of Pleasantville called Old Turnpike which not only predates the AC Expressway but also the Blackhorse Pike.
https://goo.gl/maps/pLvkiTRLT122

Also you can see a remnant on the other end in AC which is Turnpike Road.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXTeEhRKaBT2

Also here is where it looks like you can see an opening where the ROW was across from AC. It's above the boat:
https://goo.gl/maps/7quphWs11kS2
From the historical aerial image it looks like it may have been a swing bridge like the railroad bridge north of it.  That's since it looks like it has a similar structure at water level than these swing bridges:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7574677,-75.9972273,221m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4313338,-77.5498774,241m/data=!3m1!1e3

[jeffandnicole]

I would say various examples of that exist.  Here's one near me: https://goo.gl/maps/DW7cBfmqq912 .  If you remove the line, you'll see a straight road under that, that probably got cut off numerous times over the years.  And when I say years, I'm talking nearly a century ago when it was a horse-and-buggy road!

The 'Old Turnpike' in your link is probably similar to it being a stagecoach road well before modern roads were built.

[Alps]

I would say various examples of that exist.  Here's one near me: https://goo.gl/maps/DW7cBfmqq912 .  If you remove the line, you'll see a straight road under that, that probably got cut off numerous times over the years.  And when I say years, I'm talking nearly a century ago when it was a horse-and-buggy road!

The 'Old Turnpike' in your link is probably similar to it being a stagecoach road well before modern roads were built.

I've traced it back and we're talking 19th century. Black Horse Pike and White Horse Pike superseded it.

[roadman65]

Just out of curiousity, when was NJ 23 converted to a pair of one way streets in Sussex, NJ?

Also is this sign for mileages to Hamburg, Franklin, and Newark a leftover of when NJ 23 Southbound used Hamburg Avenue hence it being in the middle of the island?
https://goo.gl/maps/goEcpJQs12m

[Alps]

Just out of curiousity, when was NJ 23 converted to a pair of one way streets in Sussex, NJ?

Also is this sign for mileages to Hamburg, Franklin, and Newark a leftover of when NJ 23 Southbound used Hamburg Avenue hence it being in the middle of the island?
https://goo.gl/maps/goEcpJQs12m

Converted about 2-3 years ago, but had been planned for awhile before that. It took construction of the southern tie-in to make it happen - the northern end was already there but needed to be resurfaced.

[CrystalWalrein]

I would say various examples of that exist.  Here's one near me: https://goo.gl/maps/DW7cBfmqq912 .  If you remove the line, you'll see a straight road under that, that probably got cut off numerous times over the years.  And when I say years, I'm talking nearly a century ago when it was a horse-and-buggy road!

The 'Old Turnpike' in your link is probably similar to it being a stagecoach road well before modern roads were built.

I've traced it back and we're talking 19th century. Black Horse Pike and White Horse Pike superseded it.

For some reason, Atlantic County still maintains the westernmost portion as CR 697. It now serves the Atlantic County Animal Shelter.

[roadman65]

Sussex did right creating the two one way pairs on Route 23.  That is a great idea being that NJDOT will never bypass the borough with a proper freeway or arterial. 

On another subject, did NJDOT and the NJTA finally change out all VMSes to this style?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/8499637709/in/photolist-eSNhVa-dX5SaK

[storm2k]

Sussex did right creating the two one way pairs on Route 23.  That is a great idea being that NJDOT will never bypass the borough with a proper freeway or arterial. 

On another subject, did NJDOT and the NJTA finally change out all VMSes to this style?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/8499637709/in/photolist-eSNhVa-dX5SaK

Only the NJTA has adopted the full color VMS's. NJDOT still uses the orange LED ones. Most of them were installed within the last 10 years so they won't be replaced for a while.

[jeffandnicole]

Sussex did right creating the two one way pairs on Route 23.  That is a great idea being that NJDOT will never bypass the borough with a proper freeway or arterial. 

On another subject, did NJDOT and the NJTA finally change out all VMSes to this style?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/8499637709/in/photolist-eSNhVa-dX5SaK

Only the NJTA has adopted the full color VMS's. NJDOT still uses the orange LED ones. Most of them were installed within the last 10 years so they won't be replaced for a while.

NJDOT does have full color led signs, but I've only seen them operated in bland orange. The ones on 29 near 295 South of Trenton are the full color VMSs.

[jeffandnicole]

The NJ Supreme Court ruled that many (many, meaning 787,764 to be exact) low-level municipal traffic cases over 15 years old have been dismissed.

http://www.philly.com/news/new-jersey/nj-old-municipal-court-cases-dismissed-supreme-court-20190117.html

Many of these involve parking tickets and minor violations; stuff that many people have long forgotten about, yet a traffic stop may reveal a long-unresolved violation that may find someone being put in handcuffs and their car impounded.

To see if you're on the list, and for more info: https://njcourts.gov/courts/mcs/dismissals.html#casesinvolving

More serious violations aren't subject to dismissal, including driving without a license, DUI/DWI cases, passing a school bus, and speeding in excess of 35 mph over the limit.

The Supreme Court is now going to review if cases 10 years and older should be vacated as well.

[NJRoadfan]

Alternative 3 has been selected as the preferred design for the long obsolete Middle Thoroughfare Bridge.

https://www.capemaycountyherald.com/news/government/article_aef7ea6c-3456-11e9-8271-5f66c4d7278f.html

Now they just have to figure out how to pay for it!

[ixnay]

Alternative 3 has been selected as the preferred design for the long obsolete Middle Thoroughfare Bridge.

https://www.capemaycountyherald.com/news/government/article_aef7ea6c-3456-11e9-8271-5f66c4d7278f.html

Now they just have to figure out how to pay for it!

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/capemaycountyherald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/fa/ffa3d73c-3456-11e9-9b44-c3561d0a0fef/5c6c1a00aad26.pdf.pdf

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These bridges link Diamond Beach south of Wildwood Crest with NJ 109 approaching Cape May city.

ixnay

[NJRoadfan]

There is a dedicated website as well: https://capemaytwomilebridge.com/

[jeffandnicole]

There is a dedicated website as well: https://capemaytwomilebridge.com/

A nice, thorough website, complete with everyone's comments at the public meeting. 

Shows a nice little glimpse of what engineers struggle with to make everyone happy.  One or two wanted the speed limit reduced...apparently from 50 or 40 to 25 mph.  From what I can tell, they wanted the limit reduced in an area with wide shoulders and no cross traffic, as if traffic would ever obey such a limit.  Others seem to disagree on what's causing congestion.  Someone wanted the construction to only be overnight...no doubt homeowners nearby would disagree with that one.  Another doesn't want the high bridges built elsewhere along Ocean Drive...although without them, they'll need to build a drawbridge which they county doesn't want to do.  And so on...

It appears the selected alternative will be built significantly on a completely different footprint, which may limit the time the current bridge will be closed, but will still require a significant time of closure.

If you look at the page with all the alternatives on one page, you'll see the aerial picture used uses the old GSP/109 interchange.

[swiftdo]

Does anyone know anything about the "temporary" fencing being installed along Route 70 in western Manchester Twp & Pemberton Twp? I'm not sure if it's just a barrier for prescribed burns, or some precursor to construction. It's going up starting (driving westbound) just west of Whiting/Jct 539, and goes past the Four Mile Circle, but not quite to 206.

[CrystalWalrein]

There is a dedicated website as well: https://capemaytwomilebridge.com/

A nice, thorough website, complete with everyone's comments at the public meeting. 

Shows a nice little glimpse of what engineers struggle with to make everyone happy.  One or two wanted the speed limit reduced...apparently from 50 or 40 to 25 mph.  From what I can tell, they wanted the limit reduced in an area with wide shoulders and no cross traffic, as if traffic would ever obey such a limit.  Others seem to disagree on what's causing congestion.  Someone wanted the construction to only be overnight...no doubt homeowners nearby would disagree with that one.  Another doesn't want the high bridges built elsewhere along Ocean Drive...although without them, they'll need to build a drawbridge which they county doesn't want to do.  And so on...

It appears the selected alternative will be built significantly on a completely different footprint, which may limit the time the current bridge will be closed, but will still require a significant time of closure.

If you look at the page with all the alternatives on one page, you'll see the aerial picture used uses the old GSP/109 interchange.

The request to lower the limit appears to be due to Lower Township having a speed limit of 25 already posted coming off the bridge, since it could create a speed trap for ticket issuance.

[ekt8750]

Does anyone know anything about the "temporary" fencing being installed along Route 70 in western Manchester Twp & Pemberton Twp? I'm not sure if it's just a barrier for prescribed burns, or some precursor to construction. It's going up starting (driving westbound) just west of Whiting/Jct 539, and goes past the Four Mile Circle, but not quite to 206.

Last time I was up that way, it looked like they may have been prepping for a widening but I doubt it.

[storm2k]

Does anyone know anything about the "temporary" fencing being installed along Route 70 in western Manchester Twp & Pemberton Twp? I'm not sure if it's just a barrier for prescribed burns, or some precursor to construction. It's going up starting (driving westbound) just west of Whiting/Jct 539, and goes past the Four Mile Circle, but not quite to 206.

There is a project in this year's capital program for a bridge on Rt 70 in that area, but it's just a study, not active construction. May be tied to that?

[Mr. Matté]

While snooping around the NJDOT's website, there's an ArcGIS map showing soil boring logs taken throughout the state by DOT.

https://njgin.state.nj.us/DOT_GDMS/

Boring you say? Yes but they also reveal what some of the cancelled freeways (e.g. I-95, I-895, northern extension to Route 31) would've looked like if you click on the purple boxes and look under boring plans.