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I-65 downtown crossing

Started by iBallasticwolf2, July 06, 2015, 07:11:25 PM

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hbelkins

The I-65 bridge was on the books long before anyone ever thought of extending I-69 into Kentucky. I don't think the new downtown bridge was necessary. I think banning through trucks between I-264 in Kentucky and I-265 in Indiana and encouraging all through traffic, via signage, to use either the new east end bridge or the Sherman Minton bridge to reconnect with I-65 in Indiana, would have alleviated the need.

But it should be noted that the interchange is being rebuilt as part of the bridge project.


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tidecat

The interchange is being redesigned - the exits for I-64 and I-71 from I-65 North have been moved to the south as part of that process.  There's still another year's worth of construction, though as the Kennedy Bridge is converted to one-way traffic.

What should have been done first was the East End Bridge, which actually creates new capacity.  Once that was complete, then start on the Kennedy Interchange.
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mvak36

Is there a place where they have the design documents for the Spaghetti Interchange (drawings, etc.)? I looked online but I couldn't find anything. Thanks in advance.
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tidecat

I didn't see any design documents, but here's a two-minute video that explains the changes:

http://kyinbridges.com/virtual-tours/#buildingdowntownbridge
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mvak36

Thank you for sending me the link to the videos. Another page on that site has some pictures of the final configuration of the Spaghetti Junction (Images 13 through 15).

http://kyinbridges.com/downtown-crossing/the-project/design/

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SteveG1988

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NWI_Irish96

Another major traffic shift occurring this week:

Overnight Tuesday night, two lanes of SB I-65 will shift from the (old) Kennedy Bridge to the (new) Lincoln Bridge.  These two lanes will NOT have access to I-64 or I-71. 

One lane of SB I-65 will remain on the Kennedy Bridge and will ONLY have access to I-64 East/I-71 North and will not be able to continue through on I-65.

Access to I-64 West is being eliminated entirely until late summer 2016.

So, about a mile or so before you reach the bridges, you will be forced to commit to either I-65 South or I-64/71.  What is already a major traffic headache from about 6:30am-6:30pm during the week will get even worse. 

Other changes:
The exit from I-64 EB to I-65 SB has reopened after being closed for over a year
The exit from I-64 EB to I-65 NB has closed and will be closed until the project is finished.
Exit 0 on I-65 SB is closing permanently.  Exit 1 will now be the last SB exit in Indiana.
The direct ramp from US 31 SB to Court Ave and the Clark Bridge will reopen
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tidecat

At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?
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vtk

Quote from: tidecat on December 14, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?

Can't redecking be done in a partial-width manner?
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: tidecat on December 14, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
At some point the exit to I-64/71 has to move over to the Lincoln to allow that part of the Kennedy to be re-decked, right?

Since the Lincoln Bridge was built to handle NB traffic, there is no means to get to 64/71 going SB.  Some of the work on the Kennedy can be done while keeping one lane open, but there is going to be a period of about 6 months when the entire bridge will need to be closed and there won't be any access at all to 64/71.  Expected timeframe for the complete closure is mid-February to mid-August.

This is why it would have made sense to finish the East End bridge before starting downtown work.  A finished East End bridge would have made a nice detour for people losing that access to 64/71.
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mvak36

Couldn't people take the Clark bridge when the southbound Kennedy is closed completely?
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: mvak36 on December 15, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
Couldn't people take the Clark bridge when the southbound Kennedy is closed completely?

If you're on SB 65 trying to get to EB 64 or NB 71, yeah, that's probably the best bet.  You can take Exit 1 off 65, follow US 31 over the Clark bridge, then take Liberty St. over to the 65/64/71 entrance ramp.  That will probably get REALLY backed up though during peak times.  Another alternative is to continue over the river on 65 SB, take the Jefferson St. exit, make 2 left turns to get on to Liberty St. and then to the 65/64/71 entrance ramp. 

If you're wanting to take WB 64 any farther than the edge of downtown, it would be quicker to just go around on 265.  In fact, I can envision Clark bridge/downtown traffic getting so bad that it's quicker to go around on 265 to get to EB 64/NB 71, even though it's the opposite direction.

It's going to be a very miserable year for commuting.  I'm so glad I live and work on the same side of the river.
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SteveG1988

I normally use the I64 bridge to get around downtown anyway.
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US 41

A few questions.

So I am assuming that both northbound and southbound 65 will start paying tolls in a year or so? Are they going to have a cash option or just electronic tolling?

Also with I-265 will they have a cash option there?

How much will the tolls cost on the I-65 and I-265 bridges?

I assume the I-64 bridge and the US 31 bridges will remain free bridges.
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tidecat

There will be no cash option - you can use River Link (decal), an E-Z Pass (transponder), or you will be billed by license plate.  Tolls will be $2 for electronic users, $1 for commuters (40 crossings/month), or $4 for bill by plate.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: US 41 on December 21, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
A few questions.

So I am assuming that both northbound and southbound 65 will start paying tolls in a year or so? Are they going to have a cash option or just electronic tolling?

Also with I-265 will they have a cash option there?

How much will the tolls cost on the I-65 and I-265 bridges?

I assume the I-64 bridge and the US 31 bridges will remain free bridges.

Yes, I-65 both directions as well as I-265 will be toll bridges.  I-64 and US 31 will remain free.  Tolls will start soon after all bridges are complete and open.

Tolls are expected to be as tidecat described above. 

I already have an EZ-Pass from when I lived in Chicago, so I won't have to get one.
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US 41

I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.

As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.
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Moose

Uhh yeah this is Kentucky we are talking about.... they will leave the tailgate down on the pickup.

hbelkins

Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.

As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.

How much of your time is that $4 worth?


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SteveG1988

Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.

As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.

How much of your time is that $4 worth?

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Rothman

Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 27, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.

As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.

How much of your time is that $4 worth?

"i'm not doing it for money, i am doing it for principal, those bridges are interstate and should be free"

Principal of what school?
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Alex

Tom Reaugh attended the public bridge walk for the Abraham Lincoln Bridge and shared his photos with us. I posted a set on the AARoads on Facebook page.

NWI_Irish96

The old (Kennedy) bridge is closing entirely tonight for about six months.  This will eliminate access from I-65 south to I-64/71.  The two through I-65 southbound lanes on the new (Lincoln) bridge will remain.

For access to I-64 west, use I-265 west to I-64.

For traffic taking I-71 north/I-64 east beyond I-264, the suggested detour is I-65 south to I-264 east to I-64 or I-71.  For local access to I-64/71, take the Jefferson St. exit from I-65, make two immediate left turns at 1st St and Liberty St, and follow the signs to I-64/71 via I-65 north.

If you are on a trip that takes you through Indianapolis and Chattanooga and would normally use I-65 and I-24, I very highly recommend you use I-74 and I-75 instead.  I-65 south backups are going to get really bad, and not just during rush hours.  I work about mile from I-65 in Jeffersonville, and many days while out at lunch I notice very long backups on I-65 south.
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NWI_Irish96

Annual reminder about bridge closings for the Kentucky Derby Festival "Thunder Over Louisville" fireworks.  The US 31 (Clark) bridge closes Thursday 4/21 at 9:30 a.m. and will remain closed until 2:00 p.m. Sunday 4/24.  The I-65 (Lincoln) bridge, as well as I-65 between I-64 and I-265 (IN) will close Saturday 4/23 from 8:00 p.m. until 11:00 p.m. 
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dvferyance

Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 27, 2015, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: US 41 on December 22, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
I'm glad that they will be tolling both bridges (65 and 265). I'm sure tolling will be the approach in Evansville as well when they build the new I-69 bridge.

As for me the I-64 and US 31 bridges will probably be the only two bridges I use when I am in the Louisville area. I don't have (and won't have) EZ-PASS, so $4 is quite a bit. If you're traveling on 65 taking the I-264/I-64/I-265 routing on the west side of Louisville would be a great shunpike option. Getting off at Exit 1 and taking US 31 across the river wouldn't be too bad of an option either.

How much of your time is that $4 worth?

"i'm not doing it for money, i am doing it for principal, those bridges are interstate and should be free"
Same with me I used to take I-65 from Indianapolis then head east on I-64. Now I will go to Cincinnati on I-74 then take I-75 south.



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