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Started by Henry, January 15, 2014, 02:46:00 PM

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DTComposer

Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8

San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles

But those are districts.


The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.

As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.


The High Plains Traveler

Quote from: briantroutman on January 16, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 16, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
is Cove Fort an actual control city?
At Grand Junction, CDOT uses "Green River"  (http://bit.ly/1j9AuDD), which UDOT also uses at least at a few locations in eastern Utah (http://bit.ly/1fCN2mj)

I think this onramp is now labeled "Utah". In any event, with construction of the new DDI here, the signage will change.
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Thing 342

Glennallen, AK (pop. 483) is used as a control city for AK-1(I-A1):  http://goo.gl/maps/3yRqI

NE2

Quote from: Thing 342 on January 17, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
Glennallen, AK (pop. 483) is used as a control city for AK-1(I-A1):  http://goo.gl/maps/3yRqI
Not necessarily a control city (I don't think it's possible to determine if something is definitely one from only a guide sign on an intersecting route/split). The mileage sign up the road shows Tok (population 420 1258) to be the actual control city there.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Mr_Northside

While Breezewood is an unincorporated "place", at the other end of the I-76/70 duplex, New Stanton is a borough, with the 2000 census listing the population 1,906 (according to Wikipedia).  Not gonna win the smallest award, and it's more people than I would've thought resided there.
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Brandon

How about longest control "city"?  "Lake Shore Drive" for I-55 north (east) of the Ryan might qualify.
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bing101

Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8

San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles

But those are districts.


The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.

As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.

San Pedro is where the Port of Los Angeles is at. How about Winters on I-505 Northbound, CA-12 Rio Vista, thats the smallest  Control City in Northern California but more so in Solano, Yolo and Sacramento Counties

pianocello

Quote from: Brandon on January 17, 2014, 07:22:07 PM
How about longest control "city"?  "Lake Shore Drive" for I-55 north (east) of the Ryan might qualify.

Nope. Well, maybe. The control "city" for I-65 North from I-80/94 is "TO Toll Road", which is about 150 miles long, but LSD doesn't have the "TO" banner, IIRC.

http://goo.gl/maps/PfB4g
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mcdonaat

It's not the smallest, but pull through signs for US 165 southbound at I-20 have Columbia. Population - 500.

TheStranger

Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8

San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles

But those are districts.


The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.

As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.

San Pedro is where the Port of Los Angeles is at. How about Winters on I-505 Northbound, CA-12 Rio Vista, thats the smallest  Control City in Northern California but more so in Solano, Yolo and Sacramento Counties

Middletown, population 1323, is a NorCal control city (for Route 175) that is noticeably smaller than Rio Vista (population 7360).
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bing101

Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8

San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles

But those are districts.


The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.

As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.

I forgot I-210 in LA has the control city of San Fernando its small control city for LA county.

sdmichael

Older signage on I-15 north of Barstow uses Yermo and Baker as control points. Neither are very big.

NE2

FDOT has a pretty informative presentation on what control cities are (though page 5 is not quite correct): http://www.dot.state.fl.us/trafficoperations/pdf/control_city_pres_web.pdf
pre-1945 Florida route log

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roadman65

Palmdale, FL is used NB on US 27 from Moore Haven northward on mileage signs.  I believe it has a two digit population only.

The odd thing is SB it is not used coming from the north.

Take a look at the whole community on GSV.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palmdale,+FL+33944/@26.944475,-81.31643,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDnzXrMnEmASU9KR_oZRz3g!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x88dc77a2472fd471:0xf6acf25aff11852f
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NE2

Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2014, 06:25:17 PM
Palmdale, FL is used NB on US 27 from Moore Haven northward on mileage signs.  I believe it has a two digit population only.
It's never on the bottom line of distance signs on US 27, so it's not a control city. But it is at the bottom of at least one sign on SR 29.

Marineland (population 16) is used on SR 206 eastbound.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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formulanone

#65
Quote from: NE2 on February 24, 2014, 08:36:19 PM
FDOT has a pretty informative presentation on what control cities are (though page 5 is not quite correct): http://www.dot.state.fl.us/trafficoperations/pdf/control_city_pres_web.pdf

I've seen Ft. Lauderdale used for points north of Miami on I-95 such as FL 860 and I-395, and it's on a pull-though sign on I-95 northbound inside the Golden Glades Interchange. It's not a terribly common one, though. So those slides aren't quite right, although personally, it makes sense (and I can't find out much more about that specific FDOT Executive Committee describing which ones they've also selected).

Then again, if it's on a pull-though sign...is it technically a control city? After all, things like "Beaches" or "Downtown" are used.

JakeFromNewEngland

In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.

dmuzika

#67
TCH 1 west is notorious for poor control cities in Banff & Yoho National Parks on the BC/Alberta border, with Parks Canada (the national parks governing body) signing the only the next population center as the control city. West of Banff, the control cities are:

  • Lake Louise (pop. 700) - somewhat justifiable due to it being a significant tourist destination
  • Field (pop. 170), https://goo.gl/maps/DiDfWtPcTCpgiPVPA - why?? Ironically BC doesn't sign it at all east of Golden.
  • Golden (pop. 4000)
Past Golden, TCH 1 west uses Kamloops.

Even using Banff (pop 8,300) for eastbound TCH 1 is a bit of a stretch when Calgary is only 80 mi further east. Banff is a major tourist destination, but Calgary is over 1 million. Banff is signed east of Revelstoke, BC, but one could easily add Calgary.

Ted$8roadFan

Quote from: JakeFromNewEngland on March 07, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.

IIRC, Providence used to be a control city in the Merritt/Milford/Wilbur Cross until relatively recently. I think New London and/or Providence were used as control cities for the interstate travelers (myself included) who preferred the scenic parkway to I-95 when going from NYC to other parts of New England and vice versa. New London makes sense as the main city between New Haven and Providence, at least from CT's perspective. Also, since the Wilbur Cross goes through New Haven itself, there probably isn't a need to sign it as such on the Milford Connector.

US20IL64

Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
The smallest in population in Illinois would be Hennepin (pop. 707) as a primary control city for I-180.

IL has local cities on ramps. I'd say smallest for a 2di entrance ramp is Cairo IL on I-57, 1733 per 2020. Mainly just known for being junction of Ohio and Mississippi rivers.

roadman65

For Chiswell in VA used in NC on I-77.
Delaware Water Gap, PA population 682 ( per Wikipedia).
Bear Mountain, NY ( No population as it is a peak) but used on US 6 and the Palisades Interstate Parkway.
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hobsini2

Quote from: US20IL64 on July 08, 2023, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
The smallest in population in Illinois would be Hennepin (pop. 707) as a primary control city for I-180.

IL has local cities on ramps. I'd say smallest for a 2di entrance ramp is Cairo IL on I-57, 1733 per 2020. Mainly just known for being junction of Ohio and Mississippi rivers.
Well when you have a city that once was over 10k in rapid decline, that will happen.
Peak 1920 - 15,203
1950 - 12,123
1960 - 9348
1970 - 6277
1980 - 5931
1990 - 4846
2000 - 3632
2010 - 2831
It is possible that Cairo within our lifetime becomes a legit ghost town.
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TheHighwayMan3561

In MN, which also uses local cities on ramps, my guess is Jackson on I-90 (3,000), barely beating out Luverne, the next town over.
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jp the roadgeek

Quote from: JakeFromNewEngland on March 07, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.

Smallest one is Winsted on CT 8 (pop 7712).  The expressway portion ends there, so it's a default control north of Torrington. 
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

Big John

Wisconsin Dells, 2023 est population of 3722.  Solely because it is a tourist destination.



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