Google Maps just fucking SUCKS now

[NE2]

Off topic, but...

The big mountain near me was called Nuvagantu by the Southern Paiute, which means "where the snow sits". And indeed it's about the only place in Southern Nevada you can find snow if you want it. The first white guy to climb it was from Charleston, South Carolina, so he called it Mount Charleston.

I think it makes a lot more sense to name it something that has to do with the mountain itself than some city a few thousand miles away which, other than this one guy, doesn't have much cultural overlap with the area.

But if I were to start calling it Nuvagantu (which is a much cooler sounding name) nobody would know what I was talking about. (And if I started calling NV 159 Nuvagantu Boulevard even fewer people would know what I'm on about.)

We could translate it roughly to Spanish. How does Mount Nevada sound?

[english si]

Encyclopaedia Britannica has announced they will continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico.

Clues in the name there. It's not a US entity and will follow British naming. They probably would have something in the article on the Gulf of Mexico that Trump changed its official name within the USA.

[Rothman]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

O.o

[LilianaUwU]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

O.o

What? You're surprised that as a Canadian I barely hear about things only Americans care about?

[kalvado]

One thing about names.. They seem to be better when they are disconnected from the present day, preferably came from some obscure - or better extinct - language. Of course they need to be adapted to the melody of modern language, so they don't stick as a source thumb. So Denali is perfectly fine, Bde Maka Ska probably would be harder to stick.
For personal names in geography, they better be from a far away and preferably out of fashion. Did anyone hear about a living person named Amerigo? And Lake George is still an awkward one for me.

[kphoger]

Maybe Trump will rename Denali National Park to McKinley National Park.

Not according to the executive order.

Sec. 3 — Renaming of Mount McKinley

(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior shall, consistent with 43 U.S.C. 364 through 364f, reinstate the name "Mount McKinley."  The Secretary shall subsequently update the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) to reflect the renaming and reinstatement of Mount McKinley.  The national park area surrounding Mount McKinley shall retain the name Denali National Park and Preserve.

It's not within the president's power to rename geographical features that are not entirely within the United States.

That's why the executive order only applies to the waters already claimed by the USA.

Sec. 4 — Gulf of America

(b) As such, within 30 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior shall, consistent with 43 U.S.C. 364 through 364f, take all appropriate actions to rename as the "Gulf of America" the U.S. Continental Shelf area bounded on the northeast, north, and northwest by the States of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and extending to the seaward boundary with Mexico and Cuba in the area formerly named as the Gulf of Mexico.  The Secretary shall subsequently update the GNIS to reflect the renaming of the Gulf and remove all references to the Gulf of Mexico from the GNIS, consistent with applicable law.  The Board shall provide guidance to ensure all federal references to the Gulf of America, including on agency maps, contracts, and other documents and communications shall reflect its renaming.

[Rothman]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

O.o

What? You're surprised that as a Canadian I barely hear about things only Americans care about?

But it's the tallest mountain on the continent, not just the U.S....

I did have to remind myself that foothill of yours that is Mount Logan is your tallest, though.

[kphoger]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up? For me, the only time I can remember using it was in geography quizzes, and then both "Denali" and "Mount McKinley" were acceptable answers referring to the mountain. I suppose I got used to calling it Denali because that is the preferred name among Discovery Channel shows set in Alaska which I would frequently watch.

I was a geography nerd, and it's the highest mountain in our continent.  There was also a brief period growing up when I had a fascination with Alaska and the territories of Canada.  So I'm sure I used the name Mount McKinley more than you were imagining.  And, back when I was participating in things like academic bowl (which I did all through high school), the federal name change from Mount McKinley to Denali was still more than a decade and a half in the future—which is to say, I'm not even sure Denali would have been an acceptable answer, because I'm not sure anyone participating or judging would have even heard of that name before.

[JayhawkCO]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

[kphoger]

The wild thing is that the [...] executive order itself only assigns that stupid name to the continental shelf waters off the U.S. Gulf Coast and continues to recognize the remainder of the body of water as the Gulf of Mexico. Google and now Apple are actually in the wrong by applying the stupid name to the whole thing.

I wonder if Google and Apple even have the gulf partitioned to be able to call them different things.

For what it's worth, when I open Google Maps, the only label I can see is the one smack-dab in the middle of the gulf.  When I zoom in anywhere else, whether in open water or near the coast, I can't find any label at all.

[Rothman]

Come to think of it, it's hard for me to remember that Mount Elbrus is the highest mountain in Europe, but easy to remember Aconcagua (South America), Kilimanjaro (Africa)...always think Snowden is the highest in the UK when it isn't...

Mountains are tricky.

[LilianaUwU]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

[wxfree]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up? For me, the only time I can remember using it was in geography quizzes, and then both "Denali" and "Mount McKinley" were acceptable answers referring to the mountain. I suppose I got used to calling it Denali because that is the preferred name among Discovery Channel shows set in Alaska which I would frequently watch.

I was a geography nerd, and it's the highest mountain in our continent.  There was also a brief period growing up when I had a fascination with Alaska and the territories of Canada.  So I'm sure I used the name Mount McKinley more than you were imagining.  And, back when I was participating in things like academic bowl (which I did all through high school), the federal name change from Mount McKinley to Denali was still more than a decade and a half in the future—which is to say, I'm not even sure Denali would have been an acceptable answer, because I'm not sure anyone participating or judging would have even heard of that name before.

To me, what makes it most interesting at a global level is that it's the only mountain above 20,000 feet outside of the Tibetan Plateau region and the Andes.

[wxfree]

Maybe Trump will rename Denali National Park to McKinley National Park.

Not according to the executive order.

Sec. 3 — Renaming of Mount McKinley

(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior shall, consistent with 43 U.S.C. 364 through 364f, reinstate the name "Mount McKinley."  The Secretary shall subsequently update the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) to reflect the renaming and reinstatement of Mount McKinley.  The national park area surrounding Mount McKinley shall retain the name Denali National Park and Preserve.

It's not within the president's power to rename geographical features that are not entirely within the United States.

That's why the executive order only applies to the waters already claimed by the USA.

Sec. 4 — Gulf of America

(b) As such, within 30 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of the Interior shall, consistent with 43 U.S.C. 364 through 364f, take all appropriate actions to rename as the "Gulf of America" the U.S. Continental Shelf area bounded on the northeast, north, and northwest by the States of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and extending to the seaward boundary with Mexico and Cuba in the area formerly named as the Gulf of Mexico.  The Secretary shall subsequently update the GNIS to reflect the renaming of the Gulf and remove all references to the Gulf of Mexico from the GNIS, consistent with applicable law.  The Board shall provide guidance to ensure all federal references to the Gulf of America, including on agency maps, contracts, and other documents and communications shall reflect its renaming.

I checked yesterday, and the NWS forecasts were still being issued for the Gulf of Mexico.  Today, that's changed, even for regions outside the territorial waters.  As of right now, the satellite imagery site still has a section for the Gulf of Mexico.

I hadn't read the executive order.  It made me wonder whether the process was complete and change official.  Something tells me that this change wouldn't go through the process listed in Title 43, which, like anything governmental, presumably takes months at a minimum.  According to the National Map, to which the GNIS referred me, secretarial order 3423 makes the change official.  The map still shows the Gulf of Mexico, but the changes are ongoing.

[wxfree]

This doesn't really belong here, but it's interesting to note that the Texas legislature has bills introduced to change not only statutory references to the Gulf, but also proposing a constitutional amendment.  To be clear, this isn't changing the name, but just changing references to a part of the state the name of which is controlled by someone else.

[JayhawkCO]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

Highest point in your own country just seems like something you'd learn in school.

[Rothman]

It is kind of flat up there.

[Big John]

It is kind of flat up there.

This is not in Illinois.

[Scott5114]

And, back when I was participating in things like academic bowl (which I did all through high school), the federal name change from Mount McKinley to Denali was still more than a decade and a half in the future—which is to say, I'm not even sure Denali would have been an acceptable answer, because I'm not sure anyone participating or judging would have even heard of that name before.

Oh, cool, I did academic bowl too.

In Oklahoma, in a situation like this, the judges' book would usually include a few alternate answers that would be judged right. A coach could also lodge a protest if they had proof that an answer judged right was ruled wrong or vice versa.

That being said, who knows what was in the judges' book, or whether your coach would have been carrying around a book that included the name Denali. But if it's true that Alaska locals had been calling it Denali at that time, I can't imagine it wouldn't have been included as an alternate answer.

[Rothman]

It is kind of flat up there.

This is not in Illinois.

A lot of Canada is like Illinois.

[kkt]

Encyclopaedia Britannica has announced they will continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico.

Clues in the name there. It's not a US entity and will follow British naming. They probably would have something in the article on the Gulf of Mexico that Trump changed its official name within the USA.

Encyclopaedia Britannica has been American-owned since 1901 and headquartered in Chicago since 1932.  But the President doesn't get to tell publishers what to call geographical features.

[LilianaUwU]

It is kind of flat up there.

This is not in Illinois.

A lot of Canada is like Illinois.

Indeed, including a lot of Québec, but there are a lot of hills too. It was fun going to Havre-Saint-Pierre on QC 138 for that reason.

[vdeane]

It is kind of flat up there.

This is not in Illinois.

A lot of Canada is like Illinois.

Flat?  Check.  Largest city on a great lake?  Check.  Bridge over the Mississippi River?  Also check.

[TheCatalyst31]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

Highest point in your own country just seems like something you'd learn in school.

I imagine that depends on your country. I can't see schools in, say, the Benelux countries bothering with that.

[pderocco]

Considering that you have never visited the state or mountain, how much did you actually use the name Mount McKinley growing up?

I never heard of Denali before this, so never for either name.

Interesting. Maybe just because I like mountains a lot, but I would think that most people know the name of the highest point on their continent, but maybe not.

Have you heard of Mt. Logan?

I don't pay attention to mountains.

... unless your plane is flying toward one, I hope.