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Rothman:

--- Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 24, 2023, 11:38:58 PM ---What are your thoughts on this intersection?

Looks insanely dangerous to me. There's two stop signs. What happens when a person on the left wants to turn right and the person on the right wants to turn left? Who has the right of way?

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The one on the right. 


--- Quote ---39:4-90. Right of way at intersections
The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right.
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Right.  I'm having trouble seeing the issue being raised with this intersection.

NoGoodNamesAvailable:

--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 10:49:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 24, 2023, 11:38:58 PM ---What are your thoughts on this intersection?

Looks insanely dangerous to me. There's two stop signs. What happens when a person on the left wants to turn right and the person on the right wants to turn left? Who has the right of way?

--- End quote ---

The one on the right. 


--- Quote ---39:4-90. Right of way at intersections
The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right.
--- End quote ---

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Right.  I'm having trouble seeing the issue being raised with this intersection.

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You are stopped at the right stop sign, waiting to turn left, and a vehicle is beside you stopped on your left. You are both waiting for a gap in busy traffic and then it clears up. You can’t see the turn signals of the of the other vehicle and they can’t see yours because you’re right beside each other. You both see the gap and decide to go at the same time. Do you trust that, the minute you both decide to go, the other car will slam on their brakes and yield to you?

Rothman:



--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 25, 2023, 02:48:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 10:49:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 24, 2023, 11:38:58 PM ---What are your thoughts on this intersection?

Looks insanely dangerous to me. There's two stop signs. What happens when a person on the left wants to turn right and the person on the right wants to turn left? Who has the right of way?

--- End quote ---

The one on the right. 


--- Quote ---39:4-90. Right of way at intersections
The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right.
--- End quote ---

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Right.  I'm having trouble seeing the issue being raised with this intersection.

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You are stopped at the right stop sign, waiting to turn left, and a vehicle is beside you stopped on your left. You are both waiting for a gap in busy traffic and then it clears up. You can’t see the turn signals of the of the other vehicle and they can’t see yours because you’re right beside each other. You both see the gap and decide to go at the same time. Do you trust that, the minute you both decide to go, the other car will slam on their brakes and yield to you?

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Pfft.  People have problems enough with regular four-way stops to where defensive driving is always warranted.

NoGoodNamesAvailable:

--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 02:54:26 PM ---


--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 25, 2023, 02:48:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 10:49:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 24, 2023, 11:38:58 PM ---What are your thoughts on this intersection?

Looks insanely dangerous to me. There's two stop signs. What happens when a person on the left wants to turn right and the person on the right wants to turn left? Who has the right of way?

--- End quote ---

The one on the right. 


--- Quote ---39:4-90. Right of way at intersections
The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right.
--- End quote ---

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Right.  I'm having trouble seeing the issue being raised with this intersection.

--- End quote ---

You are stopped at the right stop sign, waiting to turn left, and a vehicle is beside you stopped on your left. You are both waiting for a gap in busy traffic and then it clears up. You can’t see the turn signals of the of the other vehicle and they can’t see yours because you’re right beside each other. You both see the gap and decide to go at the same time. Do you trust that, the minute you both decide to go, the other car will slam on their brakes and yield to you?

--- End quote ---

Pfft.  People have problems enough with regular four-way stops to where defensive driving is always warranted.

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Can you show me another intersection in the US with a similar layout? I’m curious so I’m going to OPRA crash records for this one as well. Maybe the engineers at Bergen county have a similar attitude to you but I don’t like it. It’s clearly dangerous.

jeffandnicole:

--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 25, 2023, 02:57:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 02:54:26 PM ---


--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 25, 2023, 02:48:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on September 25, 2023, 10:49:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 09:53:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on September 24, 2023, 11:38:58 PM ---What are your thoughts on this intersection?

Looks insanely dangerous to me. There's two stop signs. What happens when a person on the left wants to turn right and the person on the right wants to turn left? Who has the right of way?

--- End quote ---

The one on the right. 


--- Quote ---39:4-90. Right of way at intersections
The driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection shall yield the right of way to a vehicle which has entered the intersection. When 2 vehicles enter an intersection at the same time the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right of way to the driver of the vehicle on the right.
--- End quote ---

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Right.  I'm having trouble seeing the issue being raised with this intersection.

--- End quote ---

You are stopped at the right stop sign, waiting to turn left, and a vehicle is beside you stopped on your left. You are both waiting for a gap in busy traffic and then it clears up. You can’t see the turn signals of the of the other vehicle and they can’t see yours because you’re right beside each other. You both see the gap and decide to go at the same time. Do you trust that, the minute you both decide to go, the other car will slam on their brakes and yield to you?

--- End quote ---

Pfft.  People have problems enough with regular four-way stops to where defensive driving is always warranted.

--- End quote ---

Can you show me another intersection in the US with a similar layout? I’m curious so I’m going to OPRA crash records for this one as well. Maybe the engineers at Bergen county have a similar attitude to you but I don’t like it. It’s clearly dangerous.

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While not to this extreme, any five-way intersection with at least three legs controlled by stop signs will have a similar issue. The left side is a leg coming from a cul-de-sac with about 9 homes, so it's not really much of a traffic generator, and they're used to the issue. Sure, they'll have occasional visitors, but again, light traffic. Drivers give each other a little wave if necessary, and everyone is fine.

This is one of those situations where the condition has existed for decades, at least since 1966 per historicaerials.com, but you're seeing it for the first time and immediately think it causes deadly mayhem.

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