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Started by Alex, March 07, 2009, 07:01:05 PM

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roadman65

Was Phoenixville Pike between West Chester and Frazer ever a state route designation?

Also when PA 100 used to terminate at the Delaware State Line did the current PA 100 freeway between Exton and US 202 ever have a signed route number or was that a PA reference route like PA 12 was between Reading and Pricetown and signed with nothing?

My old map shows the latter as TO PA 100 and no number for the former.
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Roadgeek2500

Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2025, 05:36:46 PMWas Phoenixville Pike between West Chester and Frazer ever a state route designation?

Good Question, Before US 202 broke the continuity of Phoenixville pike from West Chester to Charlestown Rd, PA 29 was signed on that corridor. 29 was realigned to Morehall Rd in 1970 according to pahighways
Quote from: NE2 on December 20, 2013 - DRPA =Derpa

74/171FAN

For PA 29:  https://www.pahighways.com/state/PA1-50.html#PA29south  https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_29#History

QuotePrior to construction of the US 202 expressway in 1970, PA 29 travelled entirely on Phoenixville Pike between Phoenixville and West Chester. PA 29 entered West Chester on Goshen Road and Marshall Street, ending at PA 100 (High Street) in town. When the US 202 expressway was built, PA 29 was rerouted onto Morehall Road at Devault and ran south to junction US 202 and then end at US 30.

Apparently the PA 100 freeway before the relocation onto it was SR 2023. (https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_100)

QuoteThe freeway connecting US 202 and PA 100 became known as SR 2023 when the Location Referencing System was established in 1987.
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wildcat7176

Looking back, I think it would have been better to simply create a "PA 100 Alternate Truck" route, as preventing trucks from coming through the borough of West Chester was the main reason they truncated 100. I know when they did the redesignation it caused a lot of confusion for people near the Delaware border who lived near "Old Route 100". A truck route could have followed the freeway spur and then ran on 202/322 to the south end of town. I believe Bing Maps actually still erroneously has the old 100 designation through town, and calls the spur route to 202 "PA 100 Spur".

As for 29, it makes sense for it to have been changed looking back now with the 202 freeway and how crowded and developed Morehall Road is today from Charlestown Road to its southern terminus at US 30. However, I just wish there was a better direct route from West Chester to Phoenixville, as the part of 29 from Devault to Phoenixville is only 2 lanes and has some sharp curves in the woods along Pickering Creek. I believe I read somewhere that there were plans in the 1980s to widen that section, but I always wondered if they considered re-routing 29 onto Charlestown Road or White Horse Road and widening one of those roads, instead of the aforementioned State Road (I have also seen it called West Chester State Road somewhere?).

CanesFan27

The law that created Interstate 99 turns 30 this November.  I take a look at its past, the hobby's anti-I-99 fascination, and its future.  Plus, how quickly Pennsylvania signed I-99 (three days after the law passed) and also a gentleman that took his complaints about I-99's number to then-President Bill Clinton.

Take a read: https://www.gribblenation.org/2025/01/interstate-99-at-30.html

--Adam

The Ghostbuster

Remind me: Who was the poster who called Interstate 99 the "Glen Quagmire" of Interstate Highways?

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Bitmapped

I was looking at the historic Type 10 county maps on the PennDOT website this morning and realized how much progress PennDOT has made in paving roads even since 1990. (1990 was the last series of maps that showed surface types.) At that point, the last part of gravel traffic route (PA 44 in Potter County) was being paved, but there were still large amounts of gravel road on the quadrant route network.

Now, it's a safe bet to make that if it has a SR number that it's at least chip-seal. The only gravel quadrant routes I've encountered in the past 20 years were Tioga SR 3001 and Lycoming SR 4009 near Pine Creek Gorge, way out in the Pennsylvania Wilds. If I'm exploring in rural areas of the state, I try to stick to PennDOT-maintained roads because I can expect they'll be hard-surfaced.

Has anyone run into any other non-paved PennDOT-maintained roads, especially outside of extremely remote areas?



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