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Started by mgk920, September 12, 2012, 02:19:57 PM

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Brandon

Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.
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Stratuscaster

Having them and making it convenient to actually USE them are two different things. ;)

cl94

Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.
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adt1982

Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.

inkyatari

Quote from: adt1982 on July 06, 2016, 08:54:19 AM

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.

I actually have been in McDonald's that had the bathrooms locked. Specifically one near the United Center in Chicago. This was years and years ago, so maybe it changed, but it wasn't the most savory business.  The only reason we stopped is becausemy wife had to go.  BAD. (BTW, it was only the men's room that was locked.  And it was locked with a padlock, if I recall correctly.)
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

dvferyance

Quote from: adt1982 on July 06, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.
I saw it at the McDonald's in Merrilville IN just off I-65. This was a few years ago I usually avoid going to McDonald's as much as possible.

tribar

Quote from: inkyatari on July 06, 2016, 08:58:23 AM
Quote from: adt1982 on July 06, 2016, 08:54:19 AM

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.

I actually have been in McDonald's that had the bathrooms locked. Specifically one near the United Center in Chicago. This was years and years ago, so maybe it changed, but it wasn't the most savory business.  The only reason we stopped is becausemy wife had to go.  BAD. (BTW, it was only the men's room that was locked.  And it was locked with a padlock, if I recall correctly.)

In urban areas, the doors are locked to keep homeless people from using them.

paulthemapguy

Going back to the rest area closures, this page on the IDOT website has a map showing all the rest areas and closures.

http://idot.illinois.gov/travel-information/roadway-information/Rest-Areas-and-Welcome-Centers/index
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johndoe780

Quote from: cl94 on July 05, 2016, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.

Never understood the point of rest areas on a non-tolled road. There are plenty of gas stations, restaurants, etc.


On the other hand,

Is there a map outline of this?

http://www.theherald-news.com/2016/07/11/gov-bruce-rauner-public-private-partnership-will-lead-to-bridge-at-houbolt-road-in-joliet/ark0nm3/

hobsini2

Quote from: johndoe780 on July 12, 2016, 05:08:30 AM
Quote from: cl94 on July 05, 2016, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.

Never understood the point of rest areas on a non-tolled road. There are plenty of gas stations, restaurants, etc.


On the other hand,

Is there a map outline of this?

http://www.theherald-news.com/2016/07/11/gov-bruce-rauner-public-private-partnership-will-lead-to-bridge-at-houbolt-road-in-joliet/ark0nm3/

Often Rest Areas are used by cross road truckers as sleeping points along the interstate. Not a lot of the gas stations and restaurants can accomidate their vehicles.
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hobsini2

#260

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.
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paulthemapguy

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 12, 2016, 05:50:32 PM

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.

I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.

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hobsini2

#262
Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 12, 2016, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on July 12, 2016, 05:50:32 PM

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.

I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.

hblara by Paul Drives, on Flickr

The only issue I see with connecting it that way to Laraway Rd is the woods to the west of the casino. I don't recall but is that a county preserve?

But I do like that as an alternate to get to Route 66 Raceway/Chicagoland Speedway for traffic from the west instead of using Route 53 or Arsenal Rd.
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paulthemapguy

Re: above ^

If Google is correct (which they aren't sometimes), the bounds of that county preserve are within that green area to the southwest.
I'm hoping that the tolls are collected electronically.  The amount of truck traffic stopping and taking off at a toll booth would rut and ravel the road beyond belief.  You should see the intersection of IL53 and Laraway right now.  Good god, all that rutting and raveling on the southbound approach.
Your Vetter Road idea is really interesting too.  I like that.  In fact, it would be awesome if they used my alignment over to Laraway with an offshoot road going southbound to connect to Vetter (or Elwood International Port Road...thank Elwood for insisting on an absurdly long name).  Let it be known that I'm definitely biased toward an alignment serving Laraway Road, because I work along Laraway Road a lot XD
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Revive 755

Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 12, 2016, 08:30:49 PM
I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.

hblara by Paul Drives, on Flickr

The Laraway extension to I-80 appears to have already been under consideration, see Page 38 of 48 of this document.  Now if someone would provide a map showing what the proposed toll bridge that has been in the news lately is actually going to connect with. (Link to one article).

captkirk_4

Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

inkyatari

Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 22, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

If I'm not mistaken, all these lakes along I-80 in Nebraska have public access. 
I'm never wrong, just wildly inaccurate.

silverback1065

Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 22, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

florida has a lot of these too.  I know in a lot of situations farmers are happy to part with the dirt. 

mgk920

Those are called 'burrow pits' and are indeed used as a source of fill for the construction work.  There are several along US 10 west of I-41 here in the Appleton, WI area, too.

Mike

ET21

Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 22, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

I've seen boats moored on some of these, they're like private lakes
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Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

tribar

Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

ET21

Quote from: tribar on August 10, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow
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Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

tribar

Quote from: ET21 on August 10, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: tribar on August 10, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

ChiMilNet

Quote from: tribar on August 10, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 10, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: tribar on August 10, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

Rick Powell

#274
Quote from: captkirk_4 on July 22, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

As a teenager, I helped measure the volume of all the borrow pits for contractor payment along I-55 in the Lexington/Towanda area of IL. The location of these pits was not mandated by the state; instead, the contractors that built the road were free to negotiate the price with whomever would do business with them. Obviously they sought sources as close to the new road as possible, to minimize haulage and drayage to and from the job site.  Some of the farmers and other land owners were able to negotiate additional terms into the price for allowing the contractor to dig, including filling the empty hole with water and additional $ that they used to put in picnic areas, fishing docks, and the like.   

There were a few sources used in interstate construction that were well removed from the new road. For instance, when I-39 was constructed, IDOT helped remove some of the old slag piles from decades-old coal mining operations from towns like Cedar Point, which was about 2 miles west of the highway, and made them available for fill; the higher cost of excavation and hauling was offset by the free availability of the material.



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