Vermont

[hotdogPi]

Yeah. Same thing. Between Colchester and I-89.

They're not the same thing. "Route 7S" is its own route, while "Route 7 South" is the southbound direction of Route 7. See US 6N, 9W, 11W, 11E, 31W, and 31E for other examples.

[shadyjay]

Not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but....

Some towns in Vermont refer to the sections north or south from a town center as "Rt XX North" and "Rt XX South".  For instance, in terms of addresses, a business south of the center of Stowe on Route 100 may have an address of ## Route 100 South.  A business or house east of the center of Richmond may have an address of ## Route 2 East.  Therefore, the addresses if read aloud may sound like they're on a directional route (7S, 7N, etc), but it's primarily for an E911 address.  No more days of RR 1.

[shadyjay]

I-91 (north of) Exit 6 to Exit 10 sign replacement update:
New signs are going up.  No new exit guide signs up yet, but the exit gores, most regulatory signage, and some after-exit mileage signs are up.  A few new reassurance shields with the "Eisenhower Interstate System" logo and new dual-posted ENTERING TOWN OF XXXX signs.  .  New signs for the weigh station (former parking area) between Exits 6 & 7 is in place, which now have the "OPEN WHEN FLASHING" legend, vs the old flip-the sign Open/Closed. 

Also, southbound signage between Exits 3 & 2 has finally been [mostly] installed.  This includes a new "exit now" Exit 3 sign and a new 1 mile advance for Exit 2.  Both signs weren't replaced during the MA State Line to Exit 6 project since the long-term West River Bridge lane closure didn't allow the new signs/foundations to be installed. 

Update, 8/20, NB:
There are no longer any state-named shields anywhere on the I-91 NORTH mainline, with the replacement of the shields after Exits 7 and 8 (after Exit 9 was previously replaced).  Looks like all ramp signage has been replaced, along with all signs that aren't the large girder-style supports that hold BGSs, up to Exit 9.  Exit 10 gore signs have not yet been replaced.  At Exit 7, the old bridge-mounted signs for the I-91 ramps remain in place, but there are new ground-mounted signs for I-91 and its destinations.  While the Springfield weigh station signs have been replaced, those for the Hartford weigh station have not.  Didn't observe any guide signs in the Hartford weigh station (former rest area) lot, which is currently being used as a staging area for the project.  I'm guessing any day now the new guide signs will be delivered and installed.  Still tough to determine whether these new signs will be Clearview or not... the after-exit mileage signs don't appear to be Clearview, though they're small and its tough to tell.

[froggie]

^ Coming north this evening, I was coherent enough to notice that the new distance sign after Exit 8 is definitely not Clearview.

[shadyjay]

I-91 sign replacement project, Rockingham to Hartford update 10/21:

Almost all of the new signs are up, including regulatory, guide signs, ramp signs, and overheads.  There is still one overhead not yet replaced, at Exit 10B southbound.  The vertical posts for the new support are up but the over-the-highway structure and signs are not up yet.  Elsewhere, there are 4 new overheads in the northbound direction, all replacing previous overheads.  Southbound, there is one new overhead replacing a former ground sign at Exit 10A. 

The biggest changes for signage in this project are for Exit 10.  Exits 10S-N is now Exits 10A-B, and the control "cities" replaced... "Airport/New Hampshire" is now "Concord NH" and "Barre/ Montpelier" is now just "Montpelier". 

91NB-Exit10-6 by Jay Hogan, on Flickr

Signage is definitely not clearview, but instead, highway gothic (which was the prescient before a couple years of Clearview installations in VT).  Signs for Exit 9 were replaced a couple years ago as part of a spot-exit sign project, and are also in HG.  This new installation of HG fits well with the signs to the north, which were replaced in the early 2000s.  I-91's font progression is now as follows:
MA state line to Exit 6:   Clearview
Exit 7 to Exit 23:  Highway Gothic
Exits 23-29:  Clearview


Here's the link to my I-91 VT album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157659395066232/page2

[02 Park Ave]

Are these Exit numbers sequential?

[Beeper1]

Yes, all the highways in VT have sequential exit numbers.  Vermont has stated they have no plans to change to mile-based exit numbers anytime in the foreseeable future, unless the feds absolutely force them to. 

[jp the roadgeek]

But at least switching the N-S suffixes to A-B for the I-89 exits, they've taken the first step toward being MUTCD compliant.  Just wish Burlington would have been included as a control city on I-89 North, and Montreal included on a secondary sign.  And will the I-91 interchange receive numbers on I-89 when I-89 is re-signed?

[shadyjay]

Signs on I-89 from Hartford to Royalton, including the I-91 interchange, were replaced last year.  The I-91 interchange was not numbered... no exit tabs or gore signs.  In fact, the gore signs they did put up have a I-91 shield, direction (NB only), and an arrow. 

Recent signing projects on I-89 and I-91 have exit tabs/gore signs which are wide enough to accommodate a mile-based number.  That's why the exit # isn't centered on auxillary signs, and same goes for the exit tabs on the guide signs themselves.

[froggie]

Signs for Exit 9 were replaced a couple years ago as part of a spot-exit sign project, and are also in HG.

Of note is how this was done AFTER VTrans started using Clearview (the signs north of Lyndonville were replaced ca. 2010), and also before they started including the month/year and sign dimensions in the lower left corner.

[shadyjay]

Sign dimensions are shown on the following:

I-91, MA state line to Exit 6, Clearview, 2015
I-91, Exit 7 to Exit 11, HG, 2017
I-89, I-91 to vic. Exit 3, Clearview, 2016

With the (soon to be) completion of this project, all interstate signage in the state is "up to date", having been replaced within the past 10 years (2008 for the section north of WRJ, 2010-11 for most of I-89, and so on).  The only old signs left in the state after this project on the interstates are:

*  I-89 NB advance signs for I-91 jct... most likely awaiting rehab of Conn River Bridge, joint project with NH
*  I-91 NB, last sign for Exit 29 in Derby, shared with a customs sign

These projects have also done away with state-named interstate shields on the mainline.  All I-91 reassurance shields end-to-end have the Eisenhower Interstate System logo.  I-89 has several that weren't installed, from Exit 16, northward. 

Weigh stations are now getting the "WHEN FLASHING" added to the bottom of the "ALL TRUCKS NEXT RIGHT" sign.  Previously, a manually-operated CLOSED/OPEN sign was featured at the bottom of the "WEIGH STATION NEXT RIGHT" signs.  Many of the weigh stations in the state are former rest areas, and some haven't been open in years. 

And finally, this I-91 project removed the flippable warning signs that used to announce a checkpoint in the main travel lanes right at the entrance to the Hartford Rest Area (SB).  This checkpoint, which was used for several years after 9/11, hasn't been used in recent years. 

[shadyjay]

Took a little drive up to Berlin and Graniteville today to go to the mall and to hunt down some snow tires (mission: successful).  Caught a couple things today:

Got a pic of the original "arrow per lane" sign on VT 62, perhaps the very first APL in the state:
VT62WB-topofthehill by Jay Hogan, on Flickr

And traveled (clinched) VT 63, which is a 2-lane road with a 55 mph speed limit.  It's eastern end at VT 14:
VT63EB-atVT14 by Jay Hogan, on Flickr

Descended out of Graniteville into Barre via Quarry Hill Road.  What's unique about this town road is that it has a "slow vehicle lane" as it descends down towards VT 14.  This is the truck route to/from I-89 and the quarries, but still its a little strange seeing a slow vehicle lane in the downhill direction, with the uphill side only having a single lane. 

And finally, the view on I-89 of the Worcester range heading into Montpelier:
89NB-view by Jay Hogan, on Flickr

[cl94]

Quarry Hill Rd has a slow vehicle lane because downhill trucks are loaded. Uphill trucks are generally empty.

[SectorZ]

Quarry Hill Rd has a slow vehicle lane because downhill trucks are loaded. Uphill trucks are generally empty.

It is quite unique though. I don't recall seeing something like it anywhere else.

[roadman65]

Interesting fact I noticed about Vermont.  It has no 2 digit US routes as its four primary routes are single digits and it has one 3 digit route.

However, NH and ME could be said the same as well, but both states have two 3 digit routes (the same both US 202 and 302), but it is so interesting that single digit routes rule here because of its location in the grid and the fact that no misplaced routes like nearby MA that has US 44 north of US 6. 

The State of Vermont is actually using the grid quite accurately and even has its one 3 digit route running east- west which even numbers are supposed to.

[hotdogPi]

The State of Vermont is actually using the grid quite accurately and even has its one 3 digit route running east- west which even numbers are supposed to.

3dus routes usually have direction from what you would expect with 2dus even/odd rules, but this is not an official rule; it just happens to be that way for most routes.

[sparker]

Interesting fact I noticed about Vermont.  It has no 2 digit US routes as its four primary routes are single digits and it has one 3 digit route.

However, NH and ME could be said the same as well, but both states have two 3 digit routes (the same both US 202 and 302), but it is so interesting that single digit routes rule here because of its location in the grid and the fact that no misplaced routes like nearby MA that has US 44 north of US 6. 

The State of Vermont is actually using the grid quite accurately and even has its one 3 digit route running east- west which even numbers are supposed to.

Actually, ME has three 3dus routes; the aforementioned "children" of US 2 (202, 302) and also US 201 -- the only US 1 "child" confined to one state only -- as well as the only one to reach a border crossing! 

[roadman65]

Interesting fact I noticed about Vermont.  It has no 2 digit US routes as its four primary routes are single digits and it has one 3 digit route.

However, NH and ME could be said the same as well, but both states have two 3 digit routes (the same both US 202 and 302), but it is so interesting that single digit routes rule here because of its location in the grid and the fact that no misplaced routes like nearby MA that has US 44 north of US 6. 

The State of Vermont is actually using the grid quite accurately and even has its one 3 digit route running east- west which even numbers are supposed to.

Actually, ME has three 3dus routes; the aforementioned "children" of US 2 (202, 302) and also US 201 -- the only US 1 "child" confined to one state only -- as well as the only one to reach a border crossing! 

With this correction of my mistake being said, it could be pointed out that ME is the only state that has more child routes than parents.  US 1 and US 2 are the only two primary US routes totaling 2, making it one less than off springs.

[hotdogPi]

With this correction of my mistake being said, it could be pointed out that ME is the only state that has more child routes than parents.  US 1 and US 2 are the only two primary US routes totaling 2, making it one less than off springs.

North Carolina:

1, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 29, 52, 64, 70, 74, 76: 14 primary routes (16 if including 19E and 19W)
117, 129, 158, 176, 178, 220, 221, 258, 264, 276, 301, 311, 321, 401, 421, 441, 501, 521, 601, 701: 20 child routes

[roadman65]

With this correction of my mistake being said, it could be pointed out that ME is the only state that has more child routes than parents.  US 1 and US 2 are the only two primary US routes totaling 2, making it one less than off springs.

North Carolina:

1, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 29, 52, 64, 70, 74, 76: 14 primary routes (16 if including 19E and 19W)
117, 129, 158, 176, 178, 220, 221, 258, 264, 276, 301, 311, 321, 401, 421, 441, 501, 521, 601, 701: 20 child routes

Wow!

I often knew NC had countless routes, but did not know it was that much for 3 digit children. 

[CapeCodder]

Did Vermont ever have a SR 1? The Jimapco New England Road Atlas 1st and 3rd Editions have it on the map. It is located on the Alburgh Tongue and goes from US 2 to the Canadian border.

[cl94]

Did Vermont ever have a SR 1? The Jimapco New England Road Atlas 1st and 3rd Editions have it on the map. It is located on the Alburgh Tongue and goes from US 2 to the Canadian border.

Not that I can find anywhere else. There WAS a VT F-1 in that area which ran from the former ferry dock at Windmill Point to what is now the US 2/VT 225 intersection.

[froggie]

No VT-1.  It should also be noted that US routes in Vermont preceded the state highway system, so there was never a VT-2, VT-4, or VT-5, either.

It's possible that Jimapco is confusing Town Highway 1 with a state highway route, but the problem there is TH-1 in Alburgh is also VT-225.

[cl94]

That's one of the little Vermont peculiarities. Every town- or city-maintained road has a "town highway" number (TH). This includes state and US routes. So, for example, US 7 through Old Bennington is officially designated TH 1. And, yes, that means the entirety of VT 225 is on many logs and the official VTrans town map as Alburgh TH 1. Someone looking at the town maps put out by VTrans wouldn't know that VT 225 exists.

VT 225 only exists in the route log and on signage, everywhere else it is TH 1 or S293 (VTrans designation). S here is the prefix for state-supported town roads.

[vdeane]

That would explain it.  What Jimapco marks as "VT 1" is VT 225.  Always wondered how they came up with THAT.