With the goal of opening the first phase of the Bypass later this year, I'd thought it'd be interesting to speculate what the highway and route designation the Oregon Transportation Commission will decide.
The final design of the full bypass can be found here: http://www.jlainvolve.com/public/NewbergDundee/NDBypassFULL_reduced.pdf
Phase one (currently in wrap up, I'd imagine): http://oregonjta.org/region2/files/highway99w/maps/map_phase1_june2013_reduced.pdf
It appears to use mileposts for ORH 39/OR 18, so I believe it's safe to say that that it'll be an extension of ORH 39. The better question will be will OR 18 be extended, or will OR 99W be pulled off of ORH 1W and onto ORH 39, leaving ORH 1W between the two ends of the bypass to get Bus OR 99W or become a candidate for turnback to local control?
What amazes me is that given the traffic on 99W and the proximity to PDX, that the gaps were never filled in by the Sixties with a 4-lane expressway at least. My friend and I went through the area in June. There's still some good signs of early postwar expressway design present. Today we plow right through the land whereas in the day the contours of the land were followed.
Nice to see some interchanges are planned. That route needs all the help it can get!
Rick
Quote from: Bickendan on July 02, 2017, 05:00:53 AMI'd thought it'd be interesting to speculate what the highway and route designation the Oregon Transportation Commission will decide.
It seems that Oregon 18 will be the designation, but I like the precedent set by Montana with the Kalispell bypass of designating the bypass route "Alternate U.S. 93". Seems that it would make sense to call the bypass "Alternate Oregon 99W", except that ODOT currently does not use the "Alternate" banner. Likewise, it could designate existing 99W as "Business 99W" and move 99W onto the bypass, or "Bypass 99W" for the bypass. (currently there is one "Bypass" bannered route in the state.)
Quote from: sp_redelectric on July 24, 2017, 02:51:10 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on July 02, 2017, 05:00:53 AMI'd thought it'd be interesting to speculate what the highway and route designation the Oregon Transportation Commission will decide.
It seems that Oregon 18 will be the designation, but I like the precedent set by Montana with the Kalispell bypass of designating the bypass route "Alternate U.S. 93". Seems that it would make sense to call the bypass "Alternate Oregon 99W", except that ODOT currently does not use the "Alternate" banner. Likewise, it could designate existing 99W as "Business 99W" and move 99W onto the bypass, or "Bypass 99W" for the bypass. (currently there is one "Bypass" bannered route in the state.)
If the eventual goal is (still) to connect this bypass to I-5 at or in the vicinity of the I-205 interchange (the basic concept when I was living up there in the '90's), then the OR 18 designation is indeed appropriate. This leaves 99W to the existing diagonal route NE through Sherwood and Tigard where it would continue to serve those cities. OR 18 would then be the default "through" route to the coast from I-5 (and, of course, I-205). I, for one, would like to ascertain whether those plans are still in play or whether they have been shelved for the time being -- if any NW posters have more information regarding this, please post accordingly -- thanks!
I'll have to look into the Tualatin-Sherwood plans that were being kicked around a few years ago. I think the more modest proposals were favored by the communities.
Quote from: sparker on July 25, 2017, 01:30:43 AM
If the eventual goal is (still) to connect this bypass to I-5 at or in the vicinity of the I-205 interchange (the basic concept when I was living up there in the '90's), then the OR 18 designation is indeed appropriate.
I think that proposal is deader than a door nail - see S.W. 124th Avenue.
A connection between Highway 99W and the under-construction 124th at Tonquin would require building through a National Wildlife Refuge, crossing into Clackamas County for two miles, and leaving the urban growth boundary. So you'd line up all sorts of opposition from 1000 Friends, Clackamas County (what's in it for them?), Metro, presumably the City of Sherwood...
IMO it would have made more sense to extend Highway 18 from McDougall's Corner, along Riverwood Road, across the Willamette River, straight exactly 2 miles to Highway 219, and then realign the 219/McKay Road intersection...that way 18 would have a less than one mile concurrency with 99W (or a paralleling route), continue in an eastward direction to I-5, completely bypass Dundee, Newberg, Sherwood, Tualatin and Tigard altogether, provide for another Willamette River crossing, potentially allow ODOT to decommission 219 south of 18 (from St. Paul to Woodburn) and revert that portion of 219 to Marion County... But thanks to Yamhill County's insistence on the damned Newberg-Dundee bypass we're going to spend a lot more money for a half-assed part of a project that who knows will ever be finished in our lifetimes.
Along those lines, Donald area people seem to be favorable to such a routing. That could be a viable toll road, imo.
Quote from: sp_redelectric on July 25, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: sparker on July 25, 2017, 01:30:43 AM
If the eventual goal is (still) to connect this bypass to I-5 at or in the vicinity of the I-205 interchange (the basic concept when I was living up there in the '90's), then the OR 18 designation is indeed appropriate.
I think that proposal is deader than a door nail - see S.W. 124th Avenue.
A connection between Highway 99W and the under-construction 124th at Tonquin would require building through a National Wildlife Refuge, crossing into Clackamas County for two miles, and leaving the urban growth boundary. So you'd line up all sorts of opposition from 1000 Friends, Clackamas County (what's in it for them?), Metro, presumably the City of Sherwood...
IMO it would have made more sense to extend Highway 18 from McDougall's Corner, along Riverwood Road, across the Willamette River, straight exactly 2 miles to Highway 219, and then realign the 219/McKay Road intersection...that way 18 would have a less than one mile concurrency with 99W (or a paralleling route), continue in an eastward direction to I-5, completely bypass Dundee, Newberg, Sherwood, Tualatin and Tigard altogether, provide for another Willamette River crossing, potentially allow ODOT to decommission 219 south of 18 (from St. Paul to Woodburn) and revert that portion of 219 to Marion County... But thanks to Yamhill County's insistence on the damned Newberg-Dundee bypass we're going to spend a lot more money for a half-assed part of a project that who knows will ever be finished in our lifetimes.
Quote from: Bickendan on July 25, 2017, 10:07:55 PM
Along those lines, Donald area people seem to be favorable to such a routing. That could be a viable toll road, imo.
It would seem that the expense of a multilane Willamette crossing would pose a major problem for any "direct-to-I-5" proposal intersecting that route south of the Wilsonville bridge -- although such a routing would keep the connector out of the regional Portland metro zone (they would most likely give a quick "thumbs down" to such a concept -- or at least keep it bottled up in "study limbo" for years to come).
It would be enlightening to know how Sherwood and Tigard are responding to the new facility to their southwest; AFAIK, there are no plans afoot for anything similar in those jurisdictions. 99W was certainly a slog through that area when I was living there 20+ years ago; I can only imagine the congestion level today. But given Metro's general disdain for anything that might be construed as a road capacity increase -- even on an artery that's performing "double duty" as a local server as well as a part of an interregional connector -- relief may not be on the horizon.
Quote from: sparker on August 06, 2017, 02:55:51 AM
It would seem that the expense of a multilane Willamette crossing would pose a major problem for any "direct-to-I-5" proposal intersecting that route south of the Wilsonville bridge -- although such a routing would keep the connector out of the regional Portland metro zone (they would most likely give a quick "thumbs down" to such a concept -- or at least keep it bottled up in "study limbo" for years to come).
It would be enlightening to know how Sherwood and Tigard are responding to the new facility to their southwest; AFAIK, there are no plans afoot for anything similar in those jurisdictions. 99W was certainly a slog through that area when I was living there 20+ years ago; I can only imagine the congestion level today. But given Metro's general disdain for anything that might be construed as a road capacity increase -- even on an artery that's performing "double duty" as a local server as well as a part of an interregional connector -- relief may not be on the horizon.
You're absolutely right on the Willamette bridge cost. Salem hasn't figured out how to get $350m to build a new, supplemental bridge across the river. The Boone Bridge at Wilsonville is at capacity and will eventually need a retrofit or replacement. And Oregon land use law doesn't smile upon freeway construction across farmland.
As for directly connecting the Newberg bypass to I-5... I don't think Metro would quash it, per se, but would instead ask everyone to look at the connection in the context of what $ is available and whether that's the best use of it. Such discussions generally end with "Well, do we *really* need a freeway, or could we live with an expressway a la Brookwood in Hillsboro?" Sometimes the answer is, "Yes, we really need a freeway," as it was with the first phase of the Sunrise Corridor.
The problem with the last round was that Wilsonville, Sherwood and Tualatin couldn't agree on where to put the bypass — but vehemently agreed on where *not* to put the bypass. That's a surefire way to get to the back of the line for transportation funding in Oregon. No consensus, no project.
You're not wrong... although Sherwood, Tualatin, and Wilsonville agreeing where NOT to put a bypass is incredibly amusing.
Quote from: Bickendan on August 08, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
You're not wrong... although Sherwood, Tualatin, and Wilsonville agreeing where NOT to put a bypass is incredibly amusing.
Yeah -- coordinated NIMBYism would have to be one of those things that you just have to shake your head about and walk away (at least until any furor dissipates). I would have loved to be a "fly on the wall" at the meeting -- or series of such -- where the routing(s) to be avoided were laid out!
Quote from: Bickendan on August 08, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
You're not wrong... although Sherwood, Tualatin, and Wilsonville agreeing where NOT to put a bypass is incredibly amusing.
Hence, my suggestion to build such a route much further south. Keep it out of Washington County (and Metro) so they don't get much of a say in the matter.
Quote from: sp_redelectric on August 14, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on August 08, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
You're not wrong... although Sherwood, Tualatin, and Wilsonville agreeing where NOT to put a bypass is incredibly amusing.
Hence, my suggestion to build such a route much further south. Keep it out of Washington County (and Metro) so they don't get much of a say in the matter.
Probably the best idea -- although the cost of a Willamette bridge would still be an obstacle to any such project. And, at that point, utilizing any or all of the 99W corridor northeast of Dayton would be out of the picture; it'd likely be a new-terrain OR 18 extension heading due east to I-5. That would be just as well; a (relatively) dedicated corridor from I-5 to the coast unencumbered by having to do double duty as a local server would be optimal to serve that type of interregional traffic.
Head's up for those of us in the area: There's going to be a cars-free sneak peek event where you can walk, run, bike or roll down the bypass before it opens to the public. From the project website (http://oregonjta.org/region2/?p=highway99w):
QuoteSave the Date — Play on the Bypass
August 18, 2017
Saturday, September 23rd, 10 a.m.—2 p.m. (Details still underway)
ODOT is opening the bypass to people (but not cars!) on one day - Saturday, September 23rd from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. This is your chance to see what's been built before the Newberg-Dundee Bypass (Oregon 18) opens to vehicles this winter. Construction is on track to be complete at the end of 2017.
Bring your friends, family, a water bottle, and even a picnic and take a break on Oregon's (soon-to-be) newest state road. We invite you to get active as you take a sneak peek of the new road. You can walk, bike, run, or roll. For this day only, you can even hang out in the middle of the road. Leashed dogs are invited. Alcohol should stay at home.
The bypass is designed as a highway and does not have sidewalks or bike lanes, so this is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see the road from a different perspective before it opens this winter to cars and trucks. More details will be available soon on how to access the event and where to park.
Chehalem Park and Recreation District will also be hosting a 5K run earlier that morning. Registration details will be available soon.
This is a casual, fun event. A formal ribbon cutting will be held when the road is complete. For more information about the Newberg-Dundee Bypass project, or if you have questions about the event, contact Kristen Kibler at JLA Public Involvement on behalf of ODOT at (503) 235-5881 x104.
Might be an interesting chance to see some signage etc. up close without cars whizzing by. I'm gonna go down and snap some pics myself.
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on August 31, 2017, 03:35:52 AM
Head's up for those of us in the area: There's going to be a cars-free sneak peek event where you can walk, run, bike or roll down the bypass before it opens to the public. From the project website (http://oregonjta.org/region2/?p=highway99w):
QuoteSave the Date — Play on the Bypass
August 18, 2017
Saturday, September 23rd, 10 a.m.—2 p.m. (Details still underway)
ODOT is opening the bypass to people (but not cars!) on one day - Saturday, September 23rd from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. This is your chance to see what's been built before the Newberg-Dundee Bypass (Oregon 18) opens to vehicles this winter. Construction is on track to be complete at the end of 2017.
Bring your friends, family, a water bottle, and even a picnic and take a break on Oregon's (soon-to-be) newest state road. We invite you to get active as you take a sneak peek of the new road. You can walk, bike, run, or roll. For this day only, you can even hang out in the middle of the road. Leashed dogs are invited. Alcohol should stay at home.
The bypass is designed as a highway and does not have sidewalks or bike lanes, so this is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see the road from a different perspective before it opens this winter to cars and trucks. More details will be available soon on how to access the event and where to park.
Chehalem Park and Recreation District will also be hosting a 5K run earlier that morning. Registration details will be available soon.
This is a casual, fun event. A formal ribbon cutting will be held when the road is complete. For more information about the Newberg-Dundee Bypass project, or if you have questions about the event, contact Kristen Kibler at JLA Public Involvement on behalf of ODOT at (503) 235-5881 x104.
Might be an interesting chance to see some signage etc. up close without cars whizzing by. I'm gonna go down and snap some pics myself.
Caltrans did this same sort of thing in the summer of 2007 immediately prior to opening the CA 210 freeway; they set up booths and tents on the lanes at the Riverside Avenue interchange in Rialto, and kept it open Friday through Sunday on the last weekend in July of that year. Unfortunately (for everyone who wasn't selling beverages!) it was one of the hottest weekends of that year, so having an event spread over 8 lanes of concrete pavement meant that folks showing up wouldn't stay too long (they decided not to add lights and extend the hours into evening). I stayed a couple of hours, enough to yap a bit with District 8 folks -- but the heat eventually got to me and I needed to escape back into my air-conditioned car!
After installing the center K-rail on the "party" spot, they used that same segment for the ribbon-cutting ceremony the following weekend.
^ Nevada DOT has been doing these fun run/walk/bike events a lot as well. Each of the three phases of the Carson City Freeway had a community event about a month before the freeway segments opened. NDOT also did an event for the 8-mile I-580 extension between Reno and Washoe Valley. Great opportunities for the community (and the roadgeek crowd).
Thought this could be of some use those of us who are close by: http://oregonjta.org/region2/?e=402&w=weblog
It notes that the ribbon cutting ceremony is on December 18th but the bypass is opening at a later date? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me as I have always seen ribbon cutting ceremonies on the day of opening right before cars get put in, so this seems a little unusual to me. I have ran this road (on the play on the bypass day) and seen a drone video showing that except for a small section of adding a westbound right shoulder barrier with the ground around it and the signs, it seems ready. Nothing that can't be done in a month or less. According to a KOIN 6 report back in July, the bypass was supposed to open in November so we are already behind schedule.
Drone video:
KOIN 6 study: http://koin.com/2017/07/03/newberg-dundee-bypass-set-to-open-in-november/
Edit: Re-attempt at youtube video postI'm likely to go if my running and school schedule cooperate (I'm on break then) partially to see if they have any excuses for this delay, otherwise to get another good look and to experience my first ribbon cutting ceremony. I may attempt on running it again :bigass:
It's the unpredictability of contractor's schedules vs. the hyper-scheduling of elected officials' schedules. Likeliest scenario:
ODOT asked Governor if she'd like to attend
Governor's office sent 8 dates to ODOT
ODOT picked date that matched contractor's schedule (low activity day, or maybe very close to completion, etc)
And thus, you have a "ribbon cutting" that is near completion but not at completion.
Sometimes the road opens a day later. Sometimes it's a week. Given that it's ODOT we're talking about, we should all count ourselves lucky if the contractor didn't accidentally used the wrong concrete and the bridges don't collapse.
Quote from: Sub-Urbanite on December 04, 2017, 06:53:01 PM
It's the unpredictability of contractor's schedules vs. the hyper-scheduling of elected officials' schedules. Likeliest scenario:
ODOT asked Governor if she'd like to attend
Governor's office sent 8 dates to ODOT
ODOT picked date that matched contractor's schedule (low activity day, or maybe very close to completion, etc)
And thus, you have a "ribbon cutting" that is near completion but not at completion.
Sometimes the road opens a day later. Sometimes it's a week. Given that it's ODOT we're talking about, we should all count ourselves lucky if the contractor didn't accidentally used the wrong concrete and the bridges don't collapse.
And since that's right around Christmas, everyone will probably disappear for 2-3 weeks with the road just sitting there, ready to use, but the one person whose job is to say "the highway is open" is on an extended holiday vacation.
Maybe it'll be open before Spring Break...
http://portlandtribune.com/nbg/142-news/380512-267976-bypass-ribbon-cutting-ceremony-dec-18
A little bit more information on the ribbon cutting ceremony.
So its not open but its open? I really don't get ODOT. Know in them the roadway will crumble the moment I run on it let alone drive on it. :bigass:
Do you think it is worth it to go to the ribbon cutting ceremony? I've never been to one so I don't know what its like.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 16, 2017, 03:21:59 AM
Do you think it is worth it to go to the ribbon cutting ceremony? I've never been to one so I don't know what its like.
You get to put faces to the names of all the local politicos and functionaries whose names are (rightfully or not) all over the project paperwork. They inevitably get started late (I've been to about a half-dozen in my time), so bring plenty of your own drinks or snacks (agencies generally don't have the budget for an open snack bar these days!). But you do get to see politicians in their adopted habitat -- but be prepared for a good deal of droning on and on by all involved!
Quote from: sparker on December 17, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 16, 2017, 03:21:59 AM
Do you think it is worth it to go to the ribbon cutting ceremony? I've never been to one so I don't know what its like.
You get to put faces to the names of all the local politicos and functionaries whose names are (rightfully or not) all over the project paperwork. They inevitably get started late (I've been to about a half-dozen in my time), so bring plenty of your own drinks or snacks (agencies generally don't have the budget for an open snack bar these days!). But you do get to see politicians in their adopted habitat -- but be prepared for a good deal of droning on and on by all involved!
Can't even make it anyways due to my running schedule (practice at 3), if anyone goes could you fill us in?
Today's update: Opening date is January 6th at 5 am.
Can't find it anymore but I found a video on the ribbon cutting ceremony a few days past and I'll the url if I can find it again. Had some serious parts, humor, and rambling about the transportation package with a little Grande Donde music.
Edit: Not what I originally found but just a special thanks video.:
https://vimeo.com/248066201
Don't know if on time was true considering many sources early on said it would be open in 2016 and ODOT's contract ends on December 31 if I'm being technical.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 24, 2017, 03:41:59 AM
Can't find it anymore but I found a video on the ribbon cutting ceremony a few days past and I'll the url if I can find it again. Had some serious parts, humor, and rambling about the transportation package with a little Grande Donde music.
Curious if it's still kicking around ODOT's public FTP server. I know the photos are. I'll have to dig through it a bit once I'm off work.
http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/long-awaited-newberg-dundee-bypass-opens-saturday/283-505251048
Here is an update.
Quote from: bing101 on January 06, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/long-awaited-newberg-dundee-bypass-opens-saturday/283-505251048
Here is an update.
I traveled on the bypass this afternoon. I took over 1,200 photos on and around the bypass, so I'm still looking through them and seeing which ones are good enough to post. Once I do, I'll post them here and add my commentary. (I also took photos down 99W and 18 near Dayton to see if any portion along that road acknowledges the bypass or 18 cosigned with 99W. Spoiler alert: They don't.)
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 07, 2018, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 06, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/long-awaited-newberg-dundee-bypass-opens-saturday/283-505251048
Here is an update.
I traveled on the bypass this afternoon. I took over 1,200 photos on and around the bypass, so I'm still looking through them and seeing which ones are good enough to post. Once I do, I'll post them here and add my commentary. (I also took photos down 99W and 18 near Dayton to see if any portion along that road acknowledges the bypass or 18 cosigned with 99W. Spoiler alert: They don't.)
I'm looking forward to see the pictures.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 07, 2018, 02:15:54 AM
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 07, 2018, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 06, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/long-awaited-newberg-dundee-bypass-opens-saturday/283-505251048
Here is an update.
I traveled on the bypass this afternoon. I took over 1,200 photos on and around the bypass, so I'm still looking through them and seeing which ones are good enough to post. Once I do, I'll post them here and add my commentary. (I also took photos down 99W and 18 near Dayton to see if any portion along that road acknowledges the bypass or 18 cosigned with 99W. Spoiler alert: They don't.)
I'm looking forward to see the pictures.
Thanks! I'm almost done selecting them, but I'm up to 58 and counting -- there was a lot to cover! Debating whether I should start a new thread like I did with the Play on the Bypass photos or spam this one.
Maybe @Bickendan can make a suggestion on what to do. Edit: Never mind, I have a solution. More to come.
So I've heard some people complain about how people go to slow (A few are saying 45mph), get into the wrong lane, and won't let you merge or don't pay attention when they use the bypass. As I have never driven on this before (despite me probably living the closest, stupid school), can anyone confirm or deny this?
Also, here is the ribbon cutting ceremony video that I mentioned a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1wMTfSuY5M&t=5s
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 08, 2018, 11:55:48 AM
So I've heard some people complain about how people go to slow (A few are saying 45mph), get into the wrong lane, and won't let you merge or don't pay attention when they use the bypass. As I have never driven on this before (despite me probably living the closest, stupid school), can anyone confirm or deny this?
I drove the bypass on opening day. So far, everything seemed to be going smoothly. Didn't have any issues.
I think those people like to complain. So what if they're going 45 in a 55 zone. I'd much rather go a consistent 45 through rural farmland than go 35 through the outskirts of Newberg, 25 in downtown, and 30 just past downtown to get to the 50 zone just outside town -- only to hit the merge just outside of Dundee and wait 20-30 more minutes. Plus, you'd have to go through at least 10 more stoplights along the old way vs. the new way, further increasing time distance.
Also, I have no idea why people are complaining about "getting into the wrong lane" or "not letting people merge" since the bypass is only one lane each way for pretty much its entire length.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 08, 2018, 11:58:41 AM
Also, here is the ribbon cutting ceremony video that I mentioned a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1wMTfSuY5M&t=5s
Guy on the lower right sure looks like he's enjoying himself! :angry: Maybe he's just listening to the speaker prattle on & on about something......or nothing!
Okay, so instead of posting the 80 or so photos I decided best showed off the new bypass and made a blog post about it. Check it out at http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/2018/01/07/newberg-dundee-bypass-opening-day/. Here's a preview of the westbound photos:
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A new sign gantry over 99W just north of the Springbrook Rd. intersection, put up sometime in 2017. The sign implies that OR-18 follows Springbrook and a slight portion of OR-219 before turning onto the bypass. Also, 99W still goes through Dundee, but ODOT omits it from the 99W southbound sign to encourage use of the bypass.
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Another overhead gantry on OR-219 south for the upcoming turn onto the bypass proper.
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Yet another overhead gantry stating the distance until the end of the bypass, 4 miles. Also, the bypass features ODOT's famous "SPEED" signs.
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A reassurance shield for OR-18 near MP 59. This is the first ground-mounted reassurance marker for OR-18 I've seen – not even temporary markers are placed along the other streets, save for the overhead signs.
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Approaching the viaduct portion of the bypass. A landing for the future eastbound lanes can be seen on the left.
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The Chehalem Creek Bridge. Compare to how it looked in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1678.jpg).
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Just past the Chehalem Creek bridge, near where the East Dundee Interchange will be. According to the December 2014 project update newsletter, the lighter pavement is the Dundee portion of the contract fulfilled by Hamilton Construction of Springfield, Oregon. The darker half is the Newberg portion, paved by Wildish Standard Paving of Eugene. Compare to how it looked in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1690.jpg), including a close-up of the pavement change (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1922.jpg).
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A close-up of the SE 8th St. overpass, which also passes over right-of-way set aside for the future eastbound lanes. Compare to how it looked in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1704.jpg).
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A close-up of the "Expressway Ends" sign.
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Nearing the SE Parks Dr. overpass, also known as "Fulquartz Loading Road" . A police turnout is on the left. As with the 8th St. overpass, right-of-way has been set aside for future widening to 4 lanes. Compare to how it looked in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1776.jpg).
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Curving towards the temporary end of the expressway over a couple of Hess Creek tributaries. When finished, the bypass will instead curve leftward towards the existing McMinnville Bypass portion of OR-18. Compare to how it looked in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1783.jpg).
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The [OR-99W and railroad overpass] has had the finishing touches put on it, compared to a photo at this same spot in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1819.jpg). It's real purdy now.
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Signs on the mounted gantry in Dundee. The rightmost sign is the only indication that OR-18 is cosigned with 99W. See it here in September (http://www.beaverstateroads.net/assets/aaroads/newberg-dundee/20170923-IMG_1831.jpg) when it was empty.
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The end of the bypass. Two right turn lanes head south on OR-99W, merging shortly after the turn.
Springbrook road is listed as hwy 39 in ODOT's 2016 TVT tables. No signage though.
Hwy 39 is SR 18 by the common tongue.
JasonOfORoads, I loved your photos and the blog you posted. I especially loved the photo of the cyclist riding on the shoulder. When the weather gets nicer, I want to ride down to McMinnville and on the new bypass.
From your photos it looks like you can only turn right at the southern end of the bypass onto OR 99W south. I figured that would've been a full interchange so people could still use the bypass southbound to get to Dundee, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Also, any idea what that light-up sign between the right turn signals says when lit? I figure it displays a "No Turn on Red" if pedestrians are crossing, but that's just a guess.
Quote from: Ace10 on January 11, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
JasonOfORoads, I loved your photos and the blog you posted. I especially loved the photo of the cyclist riding on the shoulder. When the weather gets nicer, I want to ride down to McMinnville and on the new bypass.
From your photos it looks like you can only turn right at the southern end of the bypass onto OR 99W south. I figured that would've been a full interchange so people could still use the bypass southbound to get to Dundee, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Also, any idea what that light-up sign between the right turn signals says when lit? I figure it displays a "No Turn on Red" if pedestrians are crossing, but that's just a guess.
You can turn left (north) there as there is a 99W North picture Jason posted with Dundee as the control city. The light up signage I can't answer for you.
Also, Jason how often are you going to post to your blog because I'm excited to see future photos of yours?
Quote from: Ace10 on January 11, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
JasonOfORoads, I loved your photos and the blog you posted. I especially loved the photo of the cyclist riding on the shoulder. When the weather gets nicer, I want to ride down to McMinnville and on the new bypass.
From your photos it looks like you can only turn right at the southern end of the bypass onto OR 99W south. I figured that would've been a full interchange so people could still use the bypass southbound to get to Dundee, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Also, any idea what that light-up sign between the right turn signals says when lit? I figure it displays a "No Turn on Red" if pedestrians are crossing, but that's just a guess.
Thanks for the compliment! Rex answered the question about the turn lane, but here's evidence that I could turn onto 99W North (http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180106-IMG_5206.jpg). Also, I brightened up the light-up sign in Photoshop to see if I could make out any text inside:
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It does indeed read "No Turn on Red". It would make sense if it was illuminated when pedestrians crossed. I don't remember it being on when I was stopped at the light, but I also wasn't paying attention.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 11, 2018, 08:28:38 PM
You can turn left (north) there as there is a 99W North picture Jason posted with Dundee as the control city. The light up signage I can't answer for you.
Also, Jason how often are you going to post to your blog because I'm excited to see future photos of yours?
Thank you very much! I'll post as I'm able to -- life does get in the way, and I tend to get bogged down in research, but I do have a lot of photos in my archive that I could put up. For example, I took a little drive along US-26 from Gresham to Rhododendron back in October to find old highway alignments, which could easily get turned into a blog post. I've also been writing a post about the history of the Newberg-Dundee Bypass itself. There's just a lot of info to wade through. When I post something, I'll announce it in an appropriate thread or create a new one.
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 11, 2018, 08:28:38 PM
You can turn left (north) there as there is a 99W North picture Jason posted with Dundee as the control city. The light up signage I can't answer for you.
Ah, sweet! If I had just looked one more picture up... Thanks for pointing that out. I would have hoped ODOT wouldn't have forced people to not use the bypass if they wanted to access Dundee from the north (without having to make a U-turn).
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 12, 2018, 12:13:06 AM
Thanks for the compliment! Rex answered the question about the turn lane, but here's evidence that I could turn onto 99W North (http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180106-IMG_5206.jpg). Also, I brightened up the light-up sign in Photoshop to see if I could make out any text inside:
It does indeed read "No Turn on Red". It would make sense if it was illuminated when pedestrians crossed. I don't remember it being on when I was stopped at the light, but I also wasn't paying attention.
Cool, that's what I figured. I don't imagine pedestrians would be on this stretch of highway too often, but it's good ODOT took them into consideration and gave them extra protection when crossing--if that's indeed when the sign illuminates.
Quote from: mrsman on January 12, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
I wouldn't think so. All the BGS's in the photos referring to the bypass read "TO OR 99W" which means the bypass carries traffic to 99W but doesn't carry 99W itself. Bypass 99W would be neat, but the separate route number (18) seems to serve that purpose already while also continuing west/south of McMinnville to the coast. It makes sense for through traffic to the coast to follow one route number (18) and if 18 is cosigned with 99W between the two bypass segments between Dundee and Dayton that would be awesome. I'm actually kind of surprised there's not a control city for Lincoln City or Oregon Coast at the north end of the bypass, considering there's one (for Seaside) at the north end of OR 217 for traffic heading onto US 26 westbound.
Quote from: mrsman on January 12, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
Google maps says it's OR 99W but actually OR 18 is signed on the route (see jason's pictures). There are to 99W signs along it at the east end.
LG-TP260
Quote from: mrsman on January 12, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
No, the bypass is not a bannered 99W, or even signed as 99W. 99W
does appear on the BGSs, but only as part of "W
EST OR-18
TO OR-99W", and only westbound (southerly). Eastbound, the BGS turning onto the bypass reads "E
AST OR-18
TO OR-219" and the one on the bypass only shows OR-219. The bypass itself is signed as OR-18, as evidenced by the solitary OR-18 reassurance marker each (http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180106-IMG_5062.jpg) way (http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180106-IMG_5904.jpg).
The long term plans (http://oregonjta.org/region2/files/highway99w/maps/ndbypassfull_11x17.pdf)* call for the southernmost part of the full bypass to connect directly with OR-18 just north of Dayton, hence the bypass being called OR-18. There will be an interchange that connects to 99W via a connector road, but the two highways won't directly connect until Rex Hill, just NE of Newberg on the county line -- and even then, full movements won't be allowed due to the angle of intersection.. 99W will stay on the old highway, probably because it will still serve a purpose as a historical local feeder for the "LaMcDunberg" area.
I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall during that discussion, though. Curious what proposals were floated.
* You may need to rotate the map 90° clockwise to view it properly. #@%$! ODOT...
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 12, 2018, 01:37:16 AM
Quote from: mrsman on January 12, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
Google maps says it's OR 99W but actually OR 18 is signed on the route (see jason's pictures). There are to 99W signs along it at the east end.
LG-TP260
Google Maps is wrong? This is my surprised face: :-|
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 12, 2018, 02:06:40 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 12, 2018, 01:37:16 AM
Quote from: mrsman on January 12, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
So both Pacific Hwy and the bypass are signed as 99W? This seems highly confusing. Do they intend to take 99W off Pacific Hwy or to somehow introduce a banner route like Biz. 99W or Bypass 99W on one of the routes?
Google maps says it's OR 99W but actually OR 18 is signed on the route (see jason's pictures). There are to 99W signs along it at the east end.
LG-TP260
Google Maps is wrong? This is my surprised face: :-|
I can relate to that. It also doesn't have traffic levels yet on the route despite being a primary route. Earth to Google: :pan:
Quote from: Ace10 on January 12, 2018, 01:35:47 AM
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on January 12, 2018, 12:13:06 AM
Thanks for the compliment! Rex answered the question about the turn lane, but here's evidence that I could turn onto 99W North (http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180106-IMG_5206.jpg). Also, I brightened up the light-up sign in Photoshop to see if I could make out any text inside:
It does indeed read "No Turn on Red". It would make sense if it was illuminated when pedestrians crossed. I don't remember it being on when I was stopped at the light, but I also wasn't paying attention.
Cool, that's what I figured. I don't imagine pedestrians would be on this stretch of highway too often, but it's good ODOT took them into consideration and gave them extra protection when crossing--if that's indeed when the sign illuminates.
The bypass actually pops out just south of what would be considered the "main stretch" of downtown. There are office buildings, coffee shops, vineyard shops, brewpubs, and even a dispensary down there. One recurring theme I've read about in the bypass' planning documents is that Newberg, Dundee etc. want to makeover their downtown core. In fact, the Yamhill County Parkway Committee was formed in 1988 with the intent of advocating turning 99W and OR-18 into a "parkway", which would allow traffic and pedestrians to co-mingle more effectively. Given Yamhill County's wine tourism boom, I would not be surprised if this started soon.
Quote from: Ace10 on January 12, 2018, 01:35:47 AM
I'm actually kind of surprised there's not a control city for Lincoln City or Oregon Coast at the north end of the bypass, considering there's one (for Seaside) at the north end of OR 217 for traffic heading onto US 26 westbound.
I think there are just too many closer destinations going south/west. I think we'll probably see some sort of supplemental sign that says "Oregon Coast / Keep Left" once Phase 2 is built and opens near Rex Hill, but the primary control cities for the bypass will be Dundee and McMinnville.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 08, 2018, 11:55:48 AM
So I've heard some people complain about how people go to slow (A few are saying 45mph), get into the wrong lane, and won't let you merge or don't pay attention when they use the bypass. As I have never driven on this before (despite me probably living the closest, stupid school), can anyone confirm or deny this?
I drove the bypass both directions on Sunday, and the only potential I see for getting in the wrong lane is heading eastbound where it meets 219 - there's no "To 99W" or anything else indicating you need to bear left to stay on the bypass (the left turn lane sign only lists Newberg, not Sherwood/Portland).
The bypass should be 99W and the original route Business 99W. That is too simple and logical for ODOT to comprehend apparently. Never confuse the driver! It is bad enough that we have so many nuts behind the wheel who are easily distracted without adding "Guess Where This Road Goes!" into the mix.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on January 12, 2018, 10:58:13 PM
The bypass should be 99W and the original route Business 99W. That is too simple and logical for ODOT to comprehend apparently. Never confuse the driver! It is bad enough that we have so many nuts behind the wheel who are easily distracted without adding "Guess Where This Road Goes!" into the mix.
Rick
Agreed until it has a direct connection with OR 18. In that case it would be wierd to call it OR 99W so they are planning ahead (for once). Knowing them, it will be 30 years before that happens. At least phase 2 is in design.
Also a too Portland/I-5 sign would help.
Considering 18 already served as a bypass of McMinnville long before work on the N-D bypass even began, it makes sense to sign it on the new bypass segments as well.
Quote from: nexus73 on January 12, 2018, 10:58:13 PMThe bypass should be 99W and the original route Business 99W. That is too simple and logical for ODOT to comprehend apparently. Never confuse the driver!
I have to wonder if it is ODOT's long-term intent to decommission 99W and 99E altogether, and assign new route numbers to whatever section that has to remain. If Oregon 18 continues east, why not have it continue all the way to I-5 at the Portland-Tigard city line - that would eliminate 99W east of Newberg and potentially east of McDougall's Corner. Extend Highway 47 south and you don't need 99W at all.
If you look at 99E, it's already been eliminated in downtown Salem, and on the Jefferson Highway segment between Ankeny Hill and Millersburg. It's being slowly erased in Portland (north of Powell Boulevard/U.S. 26), and I'm sure ODOT would love to get rid of the McLoughlin Boulevard segment, leaving just Oregon City-North Salem, and Albany-Junction City. Albany-Junction City has so little traffic, it might make sense to relinquish it to Linn and Lane Counties; relinquish the Jefferson Highway...and that leaves just one remaining segment from I-5 to I-205.
Bumping this thread to promote the first of my multipart Newberg-Dundee Bypass blog entries. Part 1 deals with its precursors, the Dayton and McMinnville Bypasses, the first one built 1957-59 and the second built 1963-64.
http://blog.beaverstateroads.net/2018/02/13/newberg-dundee-bypass-part-1/
Finally got down there for a drive yesterday. First thought: I think I spent more time getting *to* the bypass from 99W than I did *on* the bypass itself.
Second thought: Holy engineering, Batman! A lengthy viaduct, a high bridge over Chehalem Creek... just generally a lot going on there.
I'm usually the first to criticize ODOT for their big project screw-ups (Eddyville, LaPine, 217 ramp, etc) but this is impressive.
Finally: Looks like there are some Phase 2 choices to be made. It'd be great if Highway 18 could plug into I-5 directly somewhere, and that was prioritized over duplexing the bypass. Then again, it'd be great if Oregon could commit the $1 billion-or-so you'd need to duplex 18 from 101 to I-5... but now I'm getting carried away.
Quote from: Sub-Urbanite on March 05, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Finally got down there for a drive yesterday. First thought: I think I spent more time getting *to* the bypass from 99W than I did *on* the bypass itself.
Second thought: Holy engineering, Batman! A lengthy viaduct, a high bridge over Chehalem Creek... just generally a lot going on there.
I'm usually the first to criticize ODOT for their big project screw-ups (Eddyville, LaPine, 217 ramp, etc) but this is impressive.
Finally: Looks like there are some Phase 2 choices to be made. It'd be great if Highway 18 could plug into I-5 directly somewhere, and that was prioritized over duplexing the bypass. Then again, it'd be great if Oregon could commit the $1 billion-or-so you'd need to duplex 18 from 101 to I-5... but now I'm getting carried away.
I also got my first drive on it yesterday. 1st good ODOT project in a long time (on a large scale). Main criticism is the merge going eastbound cutting out halfway through the curve. Phase 2 will help with the entrance of the east side thankfully.
LG-TP260
Quote from: Sub-Urbanite on March 05, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Finally: Looks like there are some Phase 2 choices to be made. It'd be great if Highway 18 could plug into I-5 directly somewhere, and that was prioritized over duplexing the bypass.
Right now, it would be quite possible by extending Oregon 18 south, multiplexed with Oregon 219, and then east on (Marion County) McKay/Yergen/Ehlen Roads to I-5, and possibly even further east to Aurora, connecting with both Oregon 551 and Oregon 99E in the process.
Then it would just be a matter of realigning the intersections to prioritize this route (especially at the Highway 219/McKay Road intersection), and probably rebuild the I-5/Ehlen Road interchange (which needs to be done anyways).