Interstate 11

[Henry]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

And I-13 too. Nobody in Vegas wants that number anywhere near there. I totally agree on the I-711 thing as well.

[Kniwt]

A very long report (4,500 words plus accompanying video) about I-11 in today's Las Vegas Review-Journal:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/long-road-interstate-11

Nothing new in there that I can see, but it surveys the state of the project and presents interesting voices both for and against the project.

[Thing 342]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

The US 95 Freeway west of I-15 could be I-711.

[Henry]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

The US 95 Freeway west of I-15 could be I-711.

But wouldn't that be the same as I-345 in Dallas? (a 3di that picks up where its parent 2di leaves off)

[Alps]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

The US 95 Freeway west of I-15 could be I-711.

But wouldn't that be the same as I-345 in Dallas? (a 3di that picks up where its parent 2di leaves off)

And is that a problem? 2dis generally have to end at Interstates, or at least at... someone correct me here... primary civil defense network routes? I forget what the exact designation is. 3dis have much more latitude.

[NE2]

And is that a problem? 2dis generally have to end at Interstates, or at least at... someone correct me here... primary civil defense network routes? I forget what the exact designation is. 3dis have much more latitude.

There doesn't seem to be a difference between 2DIs and 3DIs.

The proposed route should connect to the Interstate System at each end, with the exception of Interstate routes that connect with continental routes at an international border, or terminate in a "major highway traffic generator" that is not served by another Interstate route. In the latter case, the terminus of the Interstate route should connect to routes of the National Highway System that will adequately handle the traffic. The proposed route also must be functionally classified as a principal arterial and be a part of the National Highway System system.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/fapg/cfr0470a.htm

So I-26 could have continued to the state line, since US 23 is an NHS route that can handle the traffic.

[ethanhopkin14]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

The US 95 Freeway west of I-15 could be I-711.

But wouldn't that be the same as I-345 in Dallas? (a 3di that picks up where its parent 2di leaves off)

And is that a problem? 2dis generally have to end at Interstates, or at least at... someone correct me here... primary civil defense network routes? I forget what the exact designation is. 3dis have much more latitude.

Both Interstate 37 and 45 end into their southern downtown control cities into city streets.

[TheStranger]

Both Interstate 37 and 45 end into their southern downtown control cities into city streets.

If I'm not mistaken, I-40 and I-15 are the only California 2dis to actually end at another Interstate.  I-8, I-10 both end near the ocean, I-5 of course has a border terminus to the south, and I-80 ends at US 101 in San Francisco.

(I-80 was proposed at one point to end at the originally planned I-280 route along Route 1 in Golden Gate Park, though)

[Alps]

Both Interstate 37 and 45 end into their southern downtown control cities into city streets.

If I'm not mistaken, I-40 and I-15 are the only California 2dis to actually end at another Interstate.  I-8, I-10 both end near the ocean, I-5 of course has a border terminus to the south, and I-80 ends at US 101 in San Francisco.

(I-80 was proposed at one point to end at the originally planned I-280 route along Route 1 in Golden Gate Park, though)

Whee, random thoughts: NJ also has two such (76 and 80) and every other route crosses borders, so we're 100% on ending at another Interstate. (You could also count I-95's twin endings at I-295 and I-276, but those are going away soon.) Is there any other state at 100% with more than two such Interstates?
~ PA: 78, 83, 84 all end at 81, and 79 ends at 90, so it's a question of how you look at 99. Double Breezewood = fail in my book. Once it's extended north to NY, I might reconsider letting the south end slide.
~ OH: I-71 and I-77 end at I-90. I-76 ends at I-71. I-74 ends at I-75.
~ This is getting OT.

[Henry]

Stupid convention anyway. There NEEDS to be an I-711. It's bad enough that we got doofed on I-420 and I-666.

The US 95 Freeway west of I-15 could be I-711.

But wouldn't that be the same as I-345 in Dallas? (a 3di that picks up where its parent 2di leaves off)

And is that a problem? 2dis generally have to end at Interstates, or at least at... someone correct me here... primary civil defense network routes? I forget what the exact designation is. 3dis have much more latitude.

Both Interstate 37 and 45 end into their southern downtown control cities into city streets.

As do I-83 and I-95, among others (although, ironically, the former route was once proposed to terminate at the latter before it got cancelled).

[NE2]

That's not even rain on your wedding day league.

[Scott5114]

That's not even rain on your wedding day league.

However, it may, under certain circumstances, be a traffic jam when you're already late.

[Brandon]

That's not even rain on your wedding day league.

However, it may, under certain circumstances, be a traffic jam when you're already late.

Isn't it ironic, don'tcha think?

[andy3175]

Another article on the I-11 proposal:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/mar/05/interstate-linking-las-vegas-phoenix-faces-tough-g/

Las Vegas and Phoenix are linked by a road that narrows to two lanes, hits stoplights in a Depression-era town and until recently backed up traffic over the Hoover Dam. Despite being two of the largest cities in the Southwest, they aren't directly connected by an interstate freeway. There have been halting advances toward creating a slick, new highway to cover the 300 miles of desert between Sin City and the Valley of the Sun, but if it's ever going to happen, according to Steve Betts, leader of a coalition of project supporters, "everyone would have to be very creative."

An effort to improve what's now a 4 1/2-hour drive with a more reliable road has heavy-hitting allies, including business leaders and the Republican governor of each state. "Long-term jobs are created by our connectivity," Betts said, noting that the stretch would be the first piece of a new shipping route between Mexico and Canada.

But critics ask whether such a multibillion dollar development would be more than a vanity project that would take resources away from more immediate concerns. The cities already "are connected by U.S. 93. Whether they need an interstate is a question," said transportation historian Earl Swift.

The main talking points now are how the interstate would create more efficient freight flows and boost the regional economy. "It's not a matter of functionality," said Tom Skancke, president and CEO of the Las Vegas Global Economic Alliance.

"Looking from a global competitiveness standpoint, does it compete better globally?" he asked. "Or do we want to bounce along the bottom?"

An interstate could link Los Angeles, Phoenix and Las Vegas as partners in a "megaregion" that competes with other regions, and could open a trade route from Mexico to Pacific Ocean ports and Canada. Arizona and Nevada are currently losing much of that flow and its attendant development to Texas and California, according to Betts, chairman of CAN-DO, an acronym for Connecting Arizona and Nevada-Delivering Opportunities.

Proponents warn about the consequences of doing nothing, pointing to projections that the cities will add a combined 4 million people by 2025.

Arizona is well on its way to widening a 200-mile stretch of two-lane road between Phoenix and the Nevada line. All but 40 of those miles are now four-lane, divided highway, addressing most congestion problems there, said Michael Kies, the Interstate 11 project manager for the Arizona Department of Transportation.

In Nevada, county leaders recently approved a local fuel tax increase to pay for the $300 million Boulder City Bypass, aimed at loosening the most notable bottleneck between Las Vegas and the Arizona border. The 12-mile route will allow drivers to avoid Boulder City's quaint but often congested downtown streets. The bypass is expected to be complete in late 2017.

Also, in a joint Nevada-Arizona project, a bridge went up in late 2010 allowing travelers to bypass tourist traffic on top of the Hoover Dam.

Still, other critics worry that pushing further toward the interstate dream would contribute to urban sprawl and hurt the environment. "The last thing we need is another freeway," said Sandy Bahr, president of the Arizona chapter of the Sierra Club. "We need to look for other transportation modes."

Regards,
Andy

[sdmichael]

What is wrong about an expressway with bypasses around towns... or at least Boulder City and Kingman?

[Brandon]

What is wrong about an expressway with bypasses around towns... or at least Boulder City and Kingman?

Some people are hypnotized by that red/white/blue interstate shield.

Me?  A good road is a good road regardless of the shield.

[Molandfreak]

That's how it should be, but unfortunately a U.S. route suggests nothing to the average driver as it stands. Which is why an intermediate system should be in place.

[mapman1071]

KTVK 3 Phoenix
http://www.azfamily.com/home/Signs-mark-proposed-freeway-linking-Vegas-Phoenix-251474421.html
video of the press conference from Hoover Dam unavailing of both the Future I-11 Corridor and Nevada I-11 Signs.

[swbrotha100]

KTVK 3 Phoenix
http://www.azfamily.com/home/Signs-mark-proposed-freeway-linking-Vegas-Phoenix-251474421.html
video of the press conference from Hoover Dam unavailing of both the Future I-11 Corridor and Nevada I-11 Signs.

Nice. Hope to be able to check them out in person when I do the Phoenix-to-Vegas ride again.

[ethanhopkin14]

KTVK 3 Phoenix
http://www.azfamily.com/home/Signs-mark-proposed-freeway-linking-Vegas-Phoenix-251474421.html
video of the press conference from Hoover Dam unavailing of both the Future I-11 Corridor and Nevada I-11 Signs.

Super Awesome!!  Have to drive out there to see it...............and the Hover Dam. 

[Scott5114]

Something tells me a hovering dam wouldn't be too useful for its intended purpose... 

[myosh_tino]

Something tells me a hovering dam wouldn't be too useful for its intended purpose... 

No, but a hoovering dam would definitely suck! 

[hm insulators]

Something tells me a hovering dam wouldn't be too useful for its intended purpose... 

No, but a hoovering dam would definitely suck! 

[The High Plains Traveler]

Something tells me a hovering dam wouldn't be too useful for its intended purpose... 

And yet you could get to it on a hovercraft.

[ethanhopkin14]

Something tells me a hovering dam wouldn't be too useful for its intended purpose... 

And yet you could get to it on a hovercraft.

Funi guise.