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Title: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
I was trying to compile a list of transcontinental signage after seeing a distance sign to Boston on US 20 in Newport Oregon recently.

Here is a list if ones I know about:

US 20 in Newport Oregon
US 50 in West Sacramento California
US 6 in Bishop California
US 41 has a distance sign to Miami at its northern terminus
US 1 has distance signs on each end, IIRC

I'm sure I'm missing a lot. Doesn't seem like many north-south highways connecting Canada and Mexico have these type of signs.

Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: roadman on November 09, 2017, 01:01:12 PM
Kenmore Square in Boston MA has a transcontinental distance sign for US 20 west.  Only the sign is not on US 20 itself, it's actually on Beacon Street before the junction with US 20.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 01:04:37 PM
Seems most interstates are without. Trying to think if I 90 I 80 or I 10 have any. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: 1995hoo on November 09, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
US-50 in Ocean City, Maryland: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3317704,-75.0881165,3a,75y,264.64h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKDmxnRLK_QYV91-iebYgoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: index on November 09, 2017, 01:13:58 PM
Interstate 40 in California has a distance sign to Wilmington, North Carolina on its western terminus, and vice versa for its eastern terminus in NC.



(https://twstatic.net/attachments/danjayna_i40-jpg.148349/)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/WilmingtonBarstow.JPG)

These aren't my images.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: kkt on November 09, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 01:04:37 PM
Seems most interstates are without. Trying to think if I 90 I 80 or I 10 have any. :hmmm:

I-90 in Seattle definitely does not.

I-80 in San Francisco does not, unless it's new.  And that would require Caltrans to commit themselves as to where I-80 begins.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Mapmikey on November 09, 2017, 05:57:04 PM
I-70 Baltimore has one:

https://goo.gl/maps/NfLdLspr9QT2
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Throckmorton on November 09, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 09, 2017, 05:57:04 PMI-70 Baltimore has one

Interesting. Someone else has posted a pic of this sign but it looks like they have replaced the truss and relocated the sign in the GSV image.

On further investigation this appears to have occurred between 2007 and 2009.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5217136c2cc0bc06f64c4111b2154aa5&topic=21188.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5217136c2cc0bc06f64c4111b2154aa5&topic=21188.0)

Giving credit where credit is due, this was put up by theroadwayone.

Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: sparker on November 09, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
There used to be a roadside BGS at the beginning of I-10 in Santa Monica labeling that route as the "Christopher Columbus Highway", followed by a separate sign citing the distance to Jacksonville, FL.  Haven't been on that road for 7-8 years; wondering if any SoCal posters know whether either or both are still there.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on November 09, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
One of the ends of I-40 no longer has the signage because it kept getting stolen and the DOT decided it wasn't worth the headaches anymore.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: LM117 on November 09, 2017, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 09, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
One of the ends of I-40 no longer has the signage because it kept getting stolen and the DOT decided it wasn't worth the headaches anymore.

That would be NC. As much as I hate seeing it gone, I don't blame NCDOT for not wanting to keep wasting money on replacing a sign that keeps getting stolen. It's a shame people couldn't keep their paws off of it. :banghead:
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: westerninterloper on November 09, 2017, 07:10:30 PM
Not quite transcontinental, but ODOT recently installed two signs just south of Toledo Ohio with mileage for cities like Atlanta and Tampa. The I-75 terminus at Miami is not included, though.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.mycapture.com%2FTLBL%2FREMOTES%2F19438424E.jpg&hash=93cdd3f982b044d18ff7bad1b5ed686ae464a126)

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/05/New-signs-on-I-75-help-steer-drivers-to-faraway-places.html



Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Jim on November 09, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 09, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
There used to be a roadside BGS at the beginning of I-10 in Santa Monica labeling that route as the "Christopher Columbus Highway", followed by a separate sign citing the distance to Jacksonville, FL.  Haven't been on that road for 7-8 years; wondering if any SoCal posters know whether either or both are still there.

I'm not a SoCal poster and haven't been there at all in 10 years, but here's what I saw the time I drove the westernmost piece of I-10 on February 19, 2007.  I don't recall a distance to Jax being posted, but I am confident that I would have managed a picture if one existed at that time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20070219%2Fi10columbus.jpg&hash=90b802a5ba7a69abfb2d92c2e03d35891b19bb86)
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: sparker on November 09, 2017, 08:33:11 PM
IIRC, the Jax distance sign was about halfway between the Lincoln Blvd. onramp and the 23rd Street offramp; and the info was on one line; the sign was quite wide but just high enough to handle the wording.  It had been there a long time; definitely a button-copy porcelain type.  I wouldn't be surprised if it were gone; it was close enough to the ocean to attract rust and salt-water degradation.  If indeed long gone, too bad -- LA metro's only claim to this type of "fame"!
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
I'd like to see more north-south routes with these.

I-5 needs a mileage sign in Blaine, WA with distance to Tijuana,  for example.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: theroadwayone on November 09, 2017, 09:28:21 PM
Quote from: Throckmorton on November 09, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 09, 2017, 05:57:04 PMI-70 Baltimore has one

Interesting. Someone else has posted a pic of this sign but it looks like they have replaced the truss and relocated the sign in the GSV image.

On further investigation this appears to have occurred between 2007 and 2009.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5217136c2cc0bc06f64c4111b2154aa5&topic=21188.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5217136c2cc0bc06f64c4111b2154aa5&topic=21188.0)

Giving credit where credit is due, this was put up by theroadwayone.
Yeah, I did that.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: formulanone on November 09, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
I'd like to see more north-south routes with these.

Copper Harbor, Michigan has one for Miami, Florida - 1990 miles of US 41.

https://www.usends.com/41.html
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Occidental Tourist on November 10, 2017, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: sparker on November 09, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
There used to be a roadside BGS at the beginning of I-10 in Santa Monica labeling that route as the "Christopher Columbus Highway", followed by a separate sign citing the distance to Jacksonville, FL.  Haven't been on that road for 7-8 years; wondering if any SoCal posters know whether either or both are still there.

There hasn't been a mileage sign for Jacksonville since at least 1997.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 10, 2017, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 09, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
One of the ends of I-40 no longer has the signage because it kept getting stolen and the DOT decided it wasn't worth the headaches anymore.

How in the world does someone get away with stealing a sign as large as that?
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on November 10, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 09, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
US-50 in Ocean City, Maryland: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3317704,-75.0881165,3a,75y,264.64h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKDmxnRLK_QYV91-iebYgoQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I recall they had the numbers transposed on the CA end to "3037" for a time, but was corrected.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: sparker on November 10, 2017, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on November 10, 2017, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 09, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
One of the ends of I-40 no longer has the signage because it kept getting stolen and the DOT decided it wasn't worth the headaches anymore.

How in the world does someone get away with stealing a sign as large as that?

A dark night, a chainsaw and a full-sized cargo van.  I recounted the gist of a similar theft in an earlier post.  It was about 36 years ago during a bachelor party, and the sign was only temporarily useful (one of CA's infamous "Medflies -- don't bring any fruit into this zone" signs).  I think the guy who eventually got the sign (the groom) still has it in his garage!
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: RobbieL2415 on November 11, 2017, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
I was trying to compile a list of transcontinental signage after seeing a distance sign to Boston on US 20 in Newport Oregon recently.

Here is a list if ones I know about:

US 20 in Newport Oregon
US 50 in West Sacramento California
US 6 in Bishop California
US 41 has a distance sign to Miami at its northern terminus
US 1 has distance signs on each end, IIRC

I'm sure I'm missing a lot. Doesn't seem like many north-south highways connecting Canada and Mexico have these type of signs.
There's also signage at the eastern end in Provincetown, MA.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Jmiles32 on November 11, 2017, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on November 09, 2017, 07:10:30 PM
Not quite transcontinental, but ODOT recently installed two signs just south of Toledo Ohio with mileage for cities like Atlanta and Tampa. The I-75 terminus at Miami is not included, though.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.mycapture.com%2FTLBL%2FREMOTES%2F19438424E.jpg&hash=93cdd3f982b044d18ff7bad1b5ed686ae464a126)

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/05/New-signs-on-I-75-help-steer-drivers-to-faraway-places.html
Really like this idea and could totally see something similar in the vicinity of the I-85/I-95 interchange in Petersburg, VA considering its infamous history of using Atlanta and Miami as control cities.
For example on
I-85 southbound:
Durham NC- 128 miles
Charlotte NC- 268 miles
Atlanta- 507 miles

I-95 southbound:
Rocky Mount NC- 103 miles
Savannah- 444 miles
Miami- 921 miles

And I-95 northbound because why not:
Richmond- 24 miles
Washington D.C- 132 miles
Philidelphia- 270 miles
New York- 356 miles
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: roadman65 on November 11, 2017, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 09, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on November 09, 2017, 01:04:37 PM
Seems most interstates are without. Trying to think if I 90 I 80 or I 10 have any. :hmmm:

I-90 in Seattle definitely does not.

I-80 in San Francisco does not, unless it's new.  And that would require Caltrans to commit themselves as to where I-80 begins.

NJ does not nor does it have one for US 30 being that one is the only real coast to coast highway as it ends close to both oceans.

I-10 I do not think has one in CA and in FL for sure and that should as its an interesting route.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: oscar on November 11, 2017, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 09, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
I-90 in Seattle definitely does not.

Nor is there one in Boston, AFAIK. Too bad, as one or both such signs could brag about I-90 being the longest Interstate, or perhaps the world's longest freeway (if you don't nitpick about the toll roads between the Chicago and Cleveland regions).
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: shadyjay on November 11, 2017, 05:22:16 PM
I-90 (east end), no
I-80 (east end), I don't believe so
I-95 (north end), no

As far as the New England-based interstates (I-84, I-89, I-91, I-93), no
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Bickendan on November 11, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
For I-5, what would/should be used?
Blaine/San Ysidro (San Diego)
Vancouver/Tijuana
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on November 11, 2017, 10:04:33 PM
If we did I-70 style signs on I-35 I would go with:

NB:
Dallas/Ft. Worth
Kansas City
Twin Cities
Duluth

SB:
Des Moines
Kansas City
Dallas/Ft. Worth
Laredo

Sorry, OKC.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: roadman on November 11, 2017, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: shadyjay on November 11, 2017, 05:22:16 PM
As far as the New England-based interstates (I-84, I-89, I-91, I-93), no

It's logical that those Interstates don't have signs, as none of them are transcontinental.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: US 89 on November 12, 2017, 12:47:03 AM
It's too bad Utah doesn't do this, since they have two great opportunities: I-70 for Baltimore (2151 mi) and US 40 for Atlantic City NJ (2285 mi). There is a distance sign at the western terminus of US 40, but the farthest distance is Denver (464 mi, IIRC).
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: kkt on November 12, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on November 11, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
For I-5, what would/should be used?
Blaine/San Ysidro (San Diego)
Vancouver/Tijuana

I-5 is only in the U.S., so I'd use the last U.S. city on each end.  San Ysidro is a district, not a city.  So,
Blaine WA/San Diego CA.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: sparker on November 12, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on November 11, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
For I-5, what would/should be used?
Blaine/San Ysidro (San Diego)
Vancouver/Tijuana

I-5 is only in the U.S., so I'd use the last U.S. city on each end.  San Ysidro is a district, not a city.  So,
Blaine WA/San Diego CA.

Since central San Diego is about 15 miles north of the border, I'd add a line on each sign indicating "I-5, the only Border-to-Border Interstate Highway", then cite the total mileage of the route itself with the aforementioned San Diego and Blaine as the reference locations. 
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: ilpt4u on November 12, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
If/when I-69 is actually complete from Border to Border, in anyone's lifetime...

Port Huron having mileage posted to Brownsville, McAllen, and Laredo...

And in those 3 Texas cities, mileage to Port Huron

Would be a nice touch
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: vdeane on November 12, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
I-69 doesn't reach the border.  Mile 0 is at the I-69E/W split.  I-69C will never reach the border, I-69E is unlikely to (would require removing an at-grade), and I'm not sure what's going on with I-69W (Wikipedia says it reaches the border, but TravelMapping has it stopping short; I sincerely hope TM is right on this, because it's otherwise unclinchable due to the bridge being trucks-only).

As for I-5, I'd use Vancouver/Tijuana.  It ends at the Tijuana city line and the freeway (at-grade and crosswalk aside) continues to Vancouver even if it's BC 99.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: oscar on November 12, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2017, 07:55:00 PM
I-69 doesn't reach the border.  Mile 0 is at the I-69E/W split.  I-69C will never reach the border, I-69E is unlikely to (would require removing an at-grade), and I'm not sure what's going on with I-69W (Wikipedia says it reaches the border, but TravelMapping has it stopping short; I sincerely hope TM is right on this, because it's otherwise unclinchable due to the bridge being trucks-only).

Discussed in detail in the "I-69 in TX" thread on Mid-South. The AASHTO application for I-69W specifies that it stops short of the border, at the turnaround point before traffic reaches the toll booths on the U.S. side of the bridge. That's where TM placed the endpoint. Ditto for US 59, though that route does reach the Canadian border (at a user-friendly border crossing in Minnesota).

Aside from the truck-only restriction, the bridge is closed in off-peak hours, like on the Sunday afternoon when I drove to the closure gate at the turnaround point.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: kkt on November 12, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 12, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on November 11, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
For I-5, what would/should be used?
Blaine/San Ysidro (San Diego)
Vancouver/Tijuana
I-5 is only in the U.S., so I'd use the last U.S. city on each end.  San Ysidro is a district, not a city.  So,
Blaine WA/San Diego CA.
Since central San Diego is about 15 miles north of the border, I'd add a line on each sign indicating "I-5, the only Border-to-Border Interstate Highway", then cite the total mileage of the route itself with the aforementioned San Diego and Blaine as the reference locations. 

San Ysidro is inside San Diego City Limits, so calling it San Diego is reasonable.
But I suppose the sign could say "Begin I-5 south/Mexico Border 1381 miles"
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: Bickendan on November 12, 2017, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 12, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on November 11, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
For I-5, what would/should be used?
Blaine/San Ysidro (San Diego)
Vancouver/Tijuana
I-5 is only in the U.S., so I'd use the last U.S. city on each end.  San Ysidro is a district, not a city.  So,
Blaine WA/San Diego CA.
Since central San Diego is about 15 miles north of the border, I'd add a line on each sign indicating "I-5, the only Border-to-Border Interstate Highway", then cite the total mileage of the route itself with the aforementioned San Diego and Blaine as the reference locations. 

San Ysidro is inside San Diego City Limits, so calling it San Diego is reasonable.
But I suppose the sign could say "Begin I-5 south/Mexico Border 1381 miles"
But National City and Chula Vista are between San Diego proper and San Ysidro.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: oscar on November 12, 2017, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on November 12, 2017, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
San Ysidro is inside San Diego City Limits, so calling it San Diego is reasonable.
But I suppose the sign could say "Begin I-5 south/Mexico Border 1381 miles"

But National City and Chula Vista are between San Diego proper and San Ysidro.

San Diego's tentacles extend a long way from the city center. One of them reaches through the bay to San Ysidro, bypassing National City and Chula Vista, as well as Coronado and Imperial Beach.
Title: Re: Transcontinental Distance Signs
Post by: theroadwayone on November 13, 2017, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: Jim on November 09, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: sparker on November 09, 2017, 06:44:16 PM
There used to be a roadside BGS at the beginning of I-10 in Santa Monica labeling that route as the "Christopher Columbus Highway", followed by a separate sign citing the distance to Jacksonville, FL.  Haven't been on that road for 7-8 years; wondering if any SoCal posters know whether either or both are still there.

I'm not a SoCal poster and haven't been there at all in 10 years, but here's what I saw the time I drove the westernmost piece of I-10 on February 19, 2007.  I don't recall a distance to Jax being posted, but I am confident that I would have managed a picture if one existed at that time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teresco.org%2Fpics%2Fsigns%2F20070219%2Fi10columbus.jpg&hash=90b802a5ba7a69abfb2d92c2e03d35891b19bb86)
I'm sure that that should include something that says "Jacksonville FL 2,460 Miles" and something showing that same distance to LA in JAX.