Temporary British toll road is 400 meters long

Started by cpzilliacus, August 04, 2014, 11:26:07 PM

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cpzilliacus

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Joe The Dragon

opened without planning permission??

what if some takes it and does not pay what can they do about it?

vdeane

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on August 06, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
opened without planning permission??

what if some takes it and does not pay what can they do about it?
Probably call the cops to report trespassing.  It's a physical booth though - no vignette, transponder, or bill by mail.
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agentsteel53

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on August 06, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
opened without planning permission??

what if some takes it and does not pay what can they do about it?

same as any other theft of service, like in a restaurant.
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Roadrunner75

Good for this guy.  If it was in NJ it would have been shut down by 14 agencies before they even fired up the bulldozer.


english si

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on August 06, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
opened without planning permission??
yes - to avoid this sort of scenario
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on August 06, 2014, 08:02:41 PMIf it was in NJ it would have been shut down by 14 agencies before they even fired up the bulldozer.

You can get retrospective planning permission. However the road is only going to be there for 5 months, and while BANES Council don't like it (as it shames their 11 month reconstruction program), by the time they go through the process to get a court order to rip it up, the old road will have reopened.

Dr Frankenstein

From Farmers Weekly:
QuoteA Somerset farmer has opened a £1m toll road across his land to provide an alternative route for frustrated commuters.
Now that's what I call poor research. All the other articles differ on the cost of the road and who built and opened it.

english si

The man is a Somerset Farmer (and a Businessman), but £1m is definitely wrong!

1995hoo

#9
The Kelston Toll Road appears on Google Maps, along with the closed segment of the A431 (satellite view does not show it, of course):

https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.395578,-2.416606&spn=0.00561,0.016512&t=m&z=17




Found a YouTube video of someone driving it. Something annoying is vibrating in his car, but you can always mute the sound:

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Brandon

The detour is only 14 miles tops.  I've seen longer ones around here for areas being repaired that are just as long.  Shoot, IDOT makes you take a detour from IL-115 east to I-57 or west to IL-47 (example: US-24 to IL-47 to IL-116 - 33 miles) and back along marked highways for the replacement of a small bridge crossing.  The locals (and me) keep on IL-115 and take a 3 or 5 mile (depending on where the section line roads are) detour along township roads instead.
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Brian556

This is pretty cool. That tollbooth looks pretty fancy for a temporary setup.

The point of closure isn't signed/barricaded very well, at least by our standards. And the fact that it is just around a curve doesn't help, either.


jakeroot

Quote from: Brian556 on August 08, 2014, 12:49:05 AM
The point of closure isn't signed/barricaded very well, at least by our standards. And the fact that it is just around a curve doesn't help, either.

If I know England, early warning isn't something they care much for. Also, visibility does not hold much value. Many of the UK's roads are very Roman and thus are narrow and curvy. Having a random "thing" suddenly appearing around a corner isn't all that uncommon, from my own personal experience.

english si

There ought not to be much traffic coming round that corner (well until the toll road opened) as they would have put signs up where traffic needs to turn to avoid the long term closure. There will be 'ROAD CLOSED AHEAD' red signs at the last useful junction and yellow diversion signs taking you around the closure - you see some of them at the end of the video (some diversion signs and the back of some Road Closed Ahead signs)

Roman roads are straight with tight bends (no curves, just straight lines joining each other) - you mean ancient, which is different - roads following the paths people walked between places in Celtic or Saxon times (depending on when the place came into existence) - which often follow animal trails. There's not a huge number of Roman roads - there's a network, but it only links Roman forts, settlements and locations (the one in my town seeming just serves a small bridge).

Roman roads have hidden dips not being well vertically aligned (probably worse than the more organically created roads), but not hidden dips after bends.

1995hoo

Thread bumped simply to note the Kelston Toll Road closed on November 17 after the local council suddenly found an extra £660,000 to finish the A431 repairs five weeks early. The fellow said he'll either just break even or lose a bit.

Good on him for building it, though. The authorities here would go apeshit if anyone attempted something like that.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

english si

He never set out to make a profit and priced it with the aim of breaking even (setting the toll at a round price creating a small planned profit).

He did his sums magnificently, by the looks of things. Shame that BANES Council are dicks!

lordsutch

Quote from: 1995hoo on December 15, 2014, 09:09:58 PM
Good on him for building it, though. The authorities here would go apeshit if anyone attempted something like that.

You can build a road on your own property in most places in the US, and charge a toll on it, without the authorities having much of a leg to stand on to object. The places where you can't (Florida and Maryland spring to mind), it would be an environmental or stormwater mitigation issue rather than "how dare someone build a toll road on their own property" issue.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Brian556 on August 08, 2014, 12:49:05 AM
...And the fact that it is just around a curve doesn't help, either.

You've never seen a Garden State Parkway toll plaza, have you? LOL



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