Geographical changes in response to SC church shooting?

[hbelkins]

So then what would you call Wrigley Field?

Mike

The Stadium Above Which a World Series Championship Flag Will Never Again Be Hoisted.

[hobsini2]

The split between Comiskey Park and U.S. Cellular Field is somewhere between.

It's an insult to the sport to refer to a sports venue by its corporate name. Riverfront Stadium is gone now, but never ever EVER refer to it as "Cinergy Field."

Ever.

It would be different for a building that actually houses some part of a corporation.

Or if the ballpark is named after the family business. Wrigley, Miller, Coors and Busch all come to mind. And yes I still call them Comiskey and Jacobs.

[bandit957]

Or if the ballpark is named after the family business. Wrigley, Miller, Coors and Busch all come to mind. And yes I still call them Comiskey and Jacobs.

I think the old Busch Stadium was named after the person. I think the new "Busch Stadium" is named after the company.

[hobsini2]

Either way. Lol I an perfectly fine with last names on ballparks and stadiums vs corporate bullshit names like PNC Park.

[rarnold]

Busch Stadium II was actually called Busch Memorial Stadium until 1981, when it was shortened to Busch Stadium.
Busch Stadium I was what Sportsman's Park was called after 1953.

[empirestate]

Either way. Lol I an perfectly fine with last names on ballparks and stadiums vs corporate bullshit names like PNC Park.

For me, even corporate names are fine if the company has tangible, venerable and beneficial ties to the community. Changing names every few years is a top sign that your corporation doesn't meet this description...


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[US71]

This is not meant to be a political thread, but there is relevance to this community.

As a byproduct of the church shooting in South Carolina and the furor over the Stars & Bars, there's discussion about the future of other commemorations of the Confederacy. For instance, moving the Jefferson Davis statue in the rotunda of Kentucky's capitol is under consideration.

Will there be any fallout from this controversy regarding road names and other geographical/geopolitical matters?

For instance, I live in Lee County, Ky., which is named after Robert E. Lee. Should the county be renamed?

What about Lee Highway, especially in Virginia where US 11 is named Lee Highway for most of its distance? Will there be a demand to change the name of the road named after the Confederate general?

I know of at least three high schools in Kentucky whose teams are nicknamed "Rebels." In the past there has been some outcry for some of those schools to change their mascots (most notably by a now-dead Jesse Jackson wannabe from the Louisville/Shelbyville area). I expect that effort to start back up.

Southside Rebels (Ft Smith) are wanting to change, much to the consternation of the local rednecks.

[ajlynch91]

The split between Comiskey Park and U.S. Cellular Field is somewhere between.

It's an insult to the sport to refer to a sports venue by its corporate name. Riverfront Stadium is gone now, but never ever EVER refer to it as "Cinergy Field."

Ever.

I'm just glad that, as of yet, no major road to my knowledge is named by a corporate sponsor. I'd vomit if I saw some Main St in Anytown to be renamed Google Drive or have the Stevenson renamed the Starbucks Freeway...

[empirestate]

Now that it occurs to me, the street I live on had its name changed at some point from Lee to Grant.


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[Scott5114]

I doubt that we will see many changes. Most of the places that  have this kind of name aren't places that really care about the message the names send.

Although they probably should, in my opinion. Having toponyms  from Confederate leaders in active use makes outsiders connect the area with Confederate values, even if the present-day residents don't actually agree with them so much. You might say that's ignorant, but I wouldn't locate my business in Jefferson Davis County because I don't want to be mistaken for supporting racist values.

[Rick Powell]

There are the beginnings of a debate in IL about changing the name of Calhoun County, a delightfully quirky county that is separated from the rest of the state by the Illinois River and whose main 3 points of access are two state operated ferry boats and one of the two remaining lift bridges on the state highway system.

[Pete from Boston]

There have been grumblings now about the Massachusetts seal, flag, and motto in the wake of the Confederate flag debate, which makes me wonder if the kids in Amherst are again demanding the town shed the name of a British officer who is said to have knowingly given smallpox-infected blankets to eliminate the local natives.

[ET21]

This would be a very interesting topic for social geographers to analyze over the next couple of months

[thephantomcheese]

I'm surprised no one has wanted to take down the Dixie Highway plaque in Asheville, NC, especially since it has Robert E. Lee's picture on it. Then again, it's literally in the shadow of the Zebulon Vance Monument, a 50- foot tall obelisk honoring North Carolina's Civil War-era governor who was from Asheville.

[Purgatory On Wheels]

Wade Hampton no more: Alaska census area honoring Confederate officer is renamed

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis is probably the city's most famous and well-known lake (if you're a football fan, I can guarantee you've seen it during Vikings games when networks shoot commercial bump footage across the lake toward the skyline). There have been pushes to rename it before and not surprisingly another one has come up in the last couple weeks, but they never go anywhere.

[sandiaman]

 We are going down a slippery slope  when  we  start sugar coating history  to fit the passing mores  of the decade.  Thanks to Ben Affleck and his  long ago ancestors  who were slave owners,  we no longer have a great show about ancestry on PBS.  History is history, good or bad, you can't change it or make it disappear.

[tidecat]

Wade Hampton no more: Alaska census area honoring Confederate officer is renamed

Honestly if Alaska hadn't done this, most Americans wouldn't know who Wade Hampton was.

[Scott5114]

We are going down a slippery slope  when  we  start sugar coating history  to fit the passing mores  of the decade.  Thanks to Ben Affleck and his  long ago ancestors  who were slave owners,  we no longer have a great show about ancestry on PBS.  History is history, good or bad, you can't change it or make it disappear.

History's still there in the books if you want it. That doesn't mean we have to keep names honoring people we no longer see as honorable any more.

Same thing for the $20 bill discussion going on in off-topic. Jackson is a part of US history, yes, and at the time he was placed on the $20 bill he was considered worth honoring. But the US is not the same country it was in 1928, and now we find some of his actions to be less than honorable, so some people want to have him replaced with someone who better fits what 2015 America stands for. That's not sugarcoating history, that's growing and evolving.

[Pete from Boston]

That's not sugarcoating history, that's growing and evolving.

Well put.

[mgk920]

We are going down a slippery slope  when  we  start sugar coating history  to fit the passing mores  of the decade.  Thanks to Ben Affleck and his  long ago ancestors  who were slave owners,  we no longer have a great show about ancestry on PBS.  History is history, good or bad, you can't change it or make it disappear.

History's still there in the books if you want it. That doesn't mean we have to keep names honoring people we no longer see as honorable any more.

Same thing for the $20 bill discussion going on in off-topic. Jackson is a part of US history, yes, and at the time he was placed on the $20 bill he was considered worth honoring. But the US is not the same country it was in 1928, and now we find some of his actions to be less than honorable, so some people want to have him replaced with someone who better fits what 2015 America stands for. That's not sugarcoating history, that's growing and evolving.

FWIAO, Jackson was used because he was a hero of the War of 1812.

Mike

[noelbotevera]

I was born and raised in Robeson County, North Carolina. [url]http://ncvisitorcenter.com/Col.html/url] <------------- That article right there could rename the county I was born in.

[Rothman]

There have been grumblings now about the Massachusetts seal, flag, and motto in the wake of the Confederate flag debate, which makes me wonder if the kids in Amherst are again demanding the town shed the name of a British officer who is said to have knowingly given smallpox-infected blankets to eliminate the local natives.

As a former "kid in Amherst," I have to say that I'm actually saddened that Amherst has been steadily losing its liberal edge.  It's not half as hippie as it used to be when I lived there.

I don't think they ever got around to re-naming "Squaw Peak" north of Pittsfield.  That was another controversial place name.

[WashuOtaku]

Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis is probably the city's most famous and well-known lake (if you're a football fan, I can guarantee you've seen it during Vikings games when networks shoot commercial bump footage across the lake toward the skyline). There have been pushes to rename it before and not surprisingly another one has come up in the last couple weeks, but they never go anywhere.

Assuming it was named in honor of John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, who was U.S. Vice President and died 11 years before the Civil War.   

[Scott5114]

We are going down a slippery slope  when  we  start sugar coating history  to fit the passing mores  of the decade.  Thanks to Ben Affleck and his  long ago ancestors  who were slave owners,  we no longer have a great show about ancestry on PBS.  History is history, good or bad, you can't change it or make it disappear.

History's still there in the books if you want it. That doesn't mean we have to keep names honoring people we no longer see as honorable any more.

Same thing for the $20 bill discussion going on in off-topic. Jackson is a part of US history, yes, and at the time he was placed on the $20 bill he was considered worth honoring. But the US is not the same country it was in 1928, and now we find some of his actions to be less than honorable, so some people want to have him replaced with someone who better fits what 2015 America stands for. That's not sugarcoating history, that's growing and evolving.

FWIAO, Jackson was used because he was a hero of the War of 1812.

Mike

And that's fine. Nobody says that Jackson was all bad, but in 1928 we had a much less negative view of his impact on the Native Americans than we do today. Back then, we treated the Native Americans like they were barely human. Now they have a real seat at the table in American society, and so we no longer see Jackson the same way. We've grown to see him differently than we did.

And I think the same thing may happen with the Confederacy, its flag, and its leaders.