OH 8 -> I-380?

[exit10]

Today's Akron Beacon Journal reported that the local MPO submitted a formal request for ODOT to start the process toward Interstate designation for Ohio Route 8 between I-271 in Macedonia and I-76/77 in Akron.

Of course, this is no surprise to those who frequent Fictional Highways (where I-477 was proposed for this highway, which IMHO is a better number) ...

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery?

[NE2]

the change would make the roadway eligible for federal funds

Nope, not anymore.

Anyway, the number seems reasonable. Its primary function is connecting I-80 to Akron, hence it's a spur of I-80. Yes, it'll continue north to I-271, but that's sort of a link from I-80 to I-271. Though frankly I-880 would fit better with the current number.

PS: woo federal highway

[froggie]

Given the way the existing network and traffic flow is set up, I'd think an even I-x77 would be more appropriate than an I-x80.

[exit322]

I think I-880 is the best name for it, given its current status as Route 8.  I-276 or I-477 would also work, and I-671 (my other end is I-271) would probably be more appropriate than the x80.

[Buck87]

Is 8 already built to interstate standards, or would it require any upgrades?

[briantroutman]

I think it makes more sense as an x77 than an x80. For starters, it's the through movement at the I-77 interchange with I-76 near downtown Akron.

While there may be a small portion of traffic that uses it to connect from I-80 straight to the city of Akron, I think most I-80 corridor traffic would use I-76 if coming from the east and I-77 if coming from the west.

On the map, it appears more to be a I-77 to I-271 shortcut for 77 corridor traffic heading northeast to Erie and upstate New York.

[Brandon]

I think it makes more sense as an x77 than an x80. For starters, it's the through movement at the I-77 interchange with I-76 near downtown Akron.

How about I-777?  It does lead away from I-77 and does not return.

[exit322]

Is 8 already built to interstate standards, or would it require any upgrades?

It's at least really close to interstate standard; maybe a little part thru Cuyahoga Falls.

[exit322]

I think it makes more sense as an x77 than an x80. For starters, it's the through movement at the I-77 interchange with I-76 near downtown Akron.

How about I-777?  It does lead away from I-77 and does not return.

It'll end at I-271, so I think it'd be an even numbered one.  Though the 777 would be fun.

[Brandon]

I think it makes more sense as an x77 than an x80. For starters, it's the through movement at the I-77 interchange with I-76 near downtown Akron.

How about I-777?  It does lead away from I-77 and does not return.

It'll end at I-271, so I think it'd be an even numbered one.  Though the 777 would be fun.

Plenty of interstates have an odd first digit and end at another interstate.

I-196, I-155 (IL), I-355 (IL)

[exit322]

I think it makes more sense as an x77 than an x80. For starters, it's the through movement at the I-77 interchange with I-76 near downtown Akron.

How about I-777?  It does lead away from I-77 and does not return.

It'll end at I-271, so I think it'd be an even numbered one.  Though the 777 would be fun.

Plenty of interstates have an odd first digit and end at another interstate.

I-196, I-155 (IL), I-355 (IL)

Yes, but that doesn't mean that it's the "proper" convention.

[NE2]

Doesn't mean it's not proper either. There's no set standard. I have no idea what the first odd 3DI with both ends at another Interstate was, since these are often longer connections that were suffixed in the initial plan, but there are a bunch.

[triplemultiplex]

More recently though, hasn't AASHTO been pushing for even 3di's for ones that connect to interstates on both ends?  I think of North Carolina and their submission of I-185 for US 52 from I-85 to Winston-Salem that was rejected and later accepted as I-285.  Or also in NC, I-495 for US 64 between I-95 and Raleigh.

As a route that parallels I-77, it seems more natural for OH 8 to be an x77.  477, 677, 877; any of those seems to fit better than any x80.

[exit322]

Doesn't mean it's not proper either. There's no set standard. I have no idea what the first odd 3DI with both ends at another Interstate was, since these are often longer connections that were suffixed in the initial plan, but there are a bunch.

A fair point.  Also worth considering that Ohio's three other highways that have relatively close to the same type of system (albeit much older) are all even-numbered (as are all of Ohio's) - I'm talking 280, 680, and 670 - the first is a better example given it's always ended at interstates from different route trees (when 680 was considered/planned/thought about being built, its south end would've been I-80S, not I-76).  Though nothing would preclude it from getting an odd number, I don't expect one here.

[hbelkins]

Is anyone else having visions of this:

Also: OH 8 = I-380?

Appropriate, since this is relatively near US 224.

[NE2]

O-8 you philistine.

[exit322]

Is anyone else having visions of this:

Also: OH 8 = I-380?

Appropriate, since this is relatively near US 224.

Yeah, I'm wondering if it'll be dually signed as 224 is, though 224 does share paint with both I-76 and I-277.

[froggie]

That's not what HB was referring to.  It's an old "Tom From Ohio" gag from misc.transport.road.

[Henry]

I always took the odd 3di's to have one end at their parent 2di's, and the other at something other than an Interstate (after all, they are spurs off their parent 2di's). At least until I-355 threw that convention right out the window.

As for the 777 thing, I realize this is off-topic, but is gambling even legal in OH (or any of the other four states that I-77 goes through, for that matter)?

[exit322]

I always took the odd 3di's to have one end at their parent 2di's, and the other at something other than an Interstate (after all, they are spurs off their parent 2di's). At least until I-355 threw that convention right out the window.

As for the 777 thing, I realize this is off-topic, but is gambling even legal in OH (or any of the other four states that I-77 goes through, for that matter)?

It is now, yes.  And the hypothetical 777 would end near one of the new "racinos" (racetrack casinos) that just opened.

[TheStranger]

I always took the odd 3di's to have one end at their parent 2di's, and the other at something other than an Interstate (after all, they are spurs off their parent 2di's). At least until I-355 threw that convention right out the window.

I've interpreted it for years to be simply "only one end at parent interstate," at least based on California using I-505 and the original I-580 routings to replace I-5W (with all ends at interstates), though 580 now has a western terminus at a non-Interstate.

Obviously I-520 is the biggest exception to that otherwise general idea.

[hbelkins]

I always took the odd 3di's to have one end at their parent 2di's, and the other at something other than an Interstate (after all, they are spurs off their parent 2di's). At least until I-355 threw that convention right out the window.

As for the 777 thing, I realize this is off-topic, but is gambling even legal in OH (or any of the other four states that I-77 goes through, for that matter)?

It is now, yes.  And the hypothetical 777 would end near one of the new "racinos" (racetrack casinos) that just opened.

West Virginia, too. There's a racino on I-64 at Cross Lanes, west of Charleston.

[english si]

I've interpreted it for years to be simply "only one end at parent interstate," at least based on California using I-505 and the original I-580 routings to replace I-5W (with all ends at interstates), though 580 now has a western terminus at a non-Interstate.

Yes - that's something that varies from state to state. And even within states.

And even within cities: I-380 and I-476 in Scranton...

Ends at two different 2dis:
Odd: I-505 (CA), I-135 (KS), I-155 (IL), I-169 (MI), I-595 (VA), I-376 (PA), I-380 (PA), I-395 (CT/MA)

Even: I-210 (CA), I-215 (UT) (meets I-15 twice), I-225 (CO), I-270 (CO), I-240 (OK), I-235 (OK), I-635 (KS), I-470 (MO) (2nd 2di came later), I-480 (NE), I-430 (AR), I-440 (AR), I-220 (MS), I-440 (TN), I-275 (MI), I-696 (MI), I-271 (OH), I-280 (OH), I-490 (OH), I-675 (OH), I-680 (OH), I-295 (VA), I-276 (PA), I-476 (PA), I-287 (NY/NJ) (both ends at I-95), I-280 (NJ), I-684 (NY/CT), I-291 (CT), I-691 (CT), Fut-285 (NC), Fut-495 (NC)

I've ignored incomplete loops where there's obvious incomplete gaps. And ones that link to a 3di.

[NE2]

Routes that were extended after their original creation should be ignored. such as I-520 GA and I-476 PA. (But I-376 still counts - it originally went from I-279 to I-76.)

[bugo]

It is now, yes.  And the hypothetical 777 would end near one of the new "racinos" (racetrack casinos) that just opened.

I thought the Indian casinos were "racinos".