I am wondering if there is any consistent policy on how welcome signs are posted in New Jersey. At the state level it seems New Jersey welcomes state route, US route, and Interstate traffic over land borders with New York. The municipality also usually has a welcome sign at such a location. County routes that begin at the land border usually have county line signs with occasional municipality signs. Any smaller road usually has nothing, though random municipality signs exist at some entrances.
Bridges that carry freeways seem to not have welcome signs of any sort (except the NJ Turnpike which welcomes you to New Jersey at all termini). Smaller bridges usually have some sort of welcome sign, though whether it's the state, county, municipality, or some combination seems to be completely random.
Within the state, county lines are only posted on the Garden State Parkway and the Atlantic City Expressway, with occasional exceptions. One I can think of is US 130 SB where there is a fancy "Welcome to Gloucester County" sign.
Municipality lines are indicated on all Interstate, US, and state highways, with the exception of the toll roads. County routes have them too more often than not, while any lesser roads may or may not. The signs themselves usually come in two types. One is a white on green "Entering [municipality type] of [name]". These are the ones posted on Interstates. The other is a logo with some variation of "Welcome to [name]" with a slogan often thrown in. These appear on county and local roads, but also seem to compete with the green signs on state and US routes, sometimes both are posted, sometimes at different points. Some municipalities also install "leaving" (or "cone again" or "thank you for visiting") signs, usually opposite their welcome signs (but obviously facing the other direction). I've only seen this latter practice in central NJ (namely, Woodbridge, Edison, Metuchen, and Clark). The DRPA and the NJ Turnpike Authority also thank the driver for traveling on their bridge or roadway at the termini.
Does NJ has a formal policy for all of this, and do other states do this differently?
Massachusetts has its own distinctive town line signs. At county lines, it occasionally (but very rarely) mentions the county name. These town line signs are on every state route and some other roads, except freeways have a simple green "Entering Lobcester*" sign instead of the distinctive white town line sign. Sometimes on a local road, there will be town line signs that look like street signs.
New Hampshire has poles that display the town name vertically. Unlike in Massachusetts, they're easy to miss.
*Lobcester does not actually exist. It would be pronounced "lobster", similarly to Worcester, Leicester, and Gloucester.
NYSDOT posts county/town line signs religiously. NYSTA doesn't post them (although there are a couple exceptions downstate).
In Vermont, county/town line signs are posted parallel to the road such that they're useless for navigation. https://goo.gl/maps/imQPGFRgdat
Quote from: 1 on December 27, 2016, 12:16:56 PM
Massachusetts has its own distinctive town line signs. At county lines, it occasionally (but very rarely) mentions the county name. These town line signs are on every state route and some other roads, except freeways have a simple green "Entering Lobcester*" sign instead of the distinctive white town line sign. Sometimes on a local road, there will be town line signs that look like street signs.
*Lobcester does not actually exist. It would be pronounced "lobster", similarly to Worcester, Leicester, and Gloucester.
The "Entering..." signs are referred to as the bookleaf design, with a silhouette resembling an open book:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/MA_corporate_limit_sign_Boston.svg)
NJ - the State - is pretty good about signing most crossings into NJ. Here's the Calhoun Street Bridge: https://goo.gl/maps/dcdVgP7FmH42 . Yet, nearby after the Trenton Makes Bridge, I don't think one has ever been posted.. On US 1, a welcome sign was posted just after the DRJTBC jurisdiction. Unfortunately this GSV is from 2013, you'll probably miss it if you weren't looking for it, you're not going to be able to read the whole thing anyway, and I really haven't been over the bridge much lately to see if the sign has been updated.
At least in the southern part of the state, the Freeways/Highways do have Welcome signs, although they don't tend to be at the border probably due to jurisdictional issues with the bridge authorities. In some instances, such as crossing the Walt Whitman Bridge, the Welcome sign isn't going to be seen until you're 2 miles into NJ: https://goo.gl/maps/nS6g5PXK8s62 . Here's one after the Del. Mem. Bridge (sun glaring causing sight issues on the GSV): https://goo.gl/maps/1RCJCmmoXDq .
County welcome signs are more of a crapshoot. You mentioned Gloucester County, which does tend to mark their borders. Here's one of the Gloucester County signs on NJ 45 you can see in the distance https://goo.gl/maps/NoJxoHXDo8A2 . Spin the GSV around, and you'll see Salem County's sign. From Camden County, just south of the Brooklawn Circles the county is posted as well. NJ 47: https://goo.gl/maps/wwFEXVFm78m ; US 130: https://goo.gl/maps/td8xYxjyipx.
To answer your actual question: It appears the only real policy is going to be NJDOT posting municipal lines on their roadways. Everything else is random, and subject to agreements with the county & NJDOT, or county policy.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
At least in the southern part of the state, the Freeways/Highways do have Welcome signs, although they don't tend to be at the border probably due to jurisdictional issues with the bridge authorities. In some instances, such as crossing the Walt Whitman Bridge, the Welcome sign isn't going to be seen until you're 2 miles into NJ: https://goo.gl/maps/nS6g5PXK8s62 . Here's one after the Del. Mem. Bridge (sun glaring causing sight issues on the GSV): https://goo.gl/maps/1RCJCmmoXDq .
Wow, I've never noticed either of those. I do remember taking the Ben Franklin Bridge every weekday for school in the 90s, and if memory doesn't fail me there was a "Welcome to New Jersey" along with "What a difference a State Makes" lights/wipers on sign (back when it was a new law) right past. I think there were other "state Law" signs in quick succession. I can still find one: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9476226,-75.1177928,3a,75y,128.46h,83.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5XCLGUibxXrL-8zXo-vGog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 but no "Welcome to New Jersey" in site. All I can find is two "Camden" signs: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9456562,-75.1126401,3a,75y,97.02h,63.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWgbCDMMO1m7e8UbWo-PSJQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
Quote from: 1 on December 27, 2016, 12:16:56 PM
New Hampshire has poles that display the town name vertically. Unlike in Massachusetts, they're easy to miss.
Does New Hampshire still install the vertical town/county line signs? Maine used to use vertical white town line signs (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7124/8152360386_22d5b9909c_o.jpg) with a tiny black box with white text reading "TOWN LINE" at the top, but now are in favor of the newer green horizontal signs (https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8473/8140254605_86df67772f_o.jpg). More modern versions have the city name in mixed cased B (yes, B) (http://maineanencyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_0347-Copy.jpg), which looks horrendous.
Quote from: _Simon on December 27, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
It bothers me that they spell it Boro not Borough and Twp not Township. I dont understand why the dont add county to munincipal signs where appropriate. NJ unlike New England still has county governments and people identify with counties
When i wad a kid I did not like the tags had N. J. Instead of New Jersey spelled out.. Of course my dad being cheap he woyld not spring for new tags...
From what i understand there is still some sncient tags that jave been tranfered since the 1970s with the N. J.
LGMS428
Quote from: jwolfer on December 28, 2016, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: _Simon on December 27, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
It bothers me that they spell it Boro not Borough and Twp not Township. I dont understand why the dont add county to munincipal signs where appropriate. NJ unlike New England still has county governments and people identify with counties
When i wad a kid I did not like the tags had N. J. Instead of New Jersey spelled out.. Of course my dad being cheap he woyld not spring for new tags...
From what i understand there is still some sncient tags that jave been tranfered since the 1970s with the N. J.
LGMS428
There are a few of the original cream plates still on the road, but they're rapidly dwindling. I think the state may be tightening the rules on transferring plates these days. It would not surprise me at some point if the state mandates that anyone with an embossed plate is forced to get the new screen printed ones.
And to answer the original question, I have found for NJ that it depends vastly on the agency that's signing it. The Turnpike (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.681555,-75.4683472,3a,15.2y,124.6h,91.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm4lk3cRpBV2JBrI4sZTgFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and Parkway (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0662702,-74.0572828,3a,15.1y,158.92h,88.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soVvmDzz9JO8hp-tzUgiD-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) both have their own takes on Welcome to NJ signs. NJDOT has the postcard-style (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1099551,-74.164611,3a,23.5y,228.83h,105.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIX85zvgXkjWfqDL_-syvQQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) signs on roads they maintain. Sometimes they're not close to their actual port of entry, since those roads are maintained by various bi-state authorities (DRJBTA doesn't like to post anything, for instance). Local roads are very hit or miss.
As for county markers in NJ, they're kind of pointless, really, since every square inch of land in this state belongs to one of our nearly 600 municipalities.
Quote from: Ian on December 27, 2016, 07:40:07 PMDoes New Hampshire still install the vertical town/county line signs?
They do indeed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/iccdude/6087165530
Quote from: vdeane on December 27, 2016, 01:25:55 PM
NYSDOT posts county/town line signs religiously. NYSTA doesn't post them (although there are a couple exceptions downstate).
In Vermont, county/town line signs are posted parallel to the road such that they're useless for navigation. https://goo.gl/maps/imQPGFRgdat
Like this?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.840609,-75.0837267,3a,37.5y,141.11h,90.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQWj5TfzEIN-Du5EBl_Cwsw!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
A different series, since it's coming into Brattleboro, VT from Chesterfield, NH...over the Connecticut River on VT/NH Route 9:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FESFGS8i.jpg&hash=4ca0bb23217c5cb42aaae9b529b919c69bd1970f)
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 28, 2016, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: Ian on December 27, 2016, 07:40:07 PMDoes New Hampshire still install the vertical town/county line signs?
They do indeed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/iccdude/6087165530
But that's not brand new (it's in my collection, in fact). I'm curious to see what the latest generation of these signs look like with FHWA's new mixed-case rule, or if NHDOT has started to use more standard signs.
Quote from: Ian on December 29, 2016, 12:47:24 PMI'm curious to see what the latest generation of these signs look like with FHWA's new mixed-case rule, or if NHDOT has started to use more standard signs.
I was in NH within the last few months and saw no evidence of any other type of signage at town lines on state roads (other than interstates). On the interstates, they use a SGS which states:
TOWN LINE
=======
ENTERING
(name of town)
Virginia is very good at posting boundaries between counties, and between counties and [independent] cities, at least on state-maintained primary system highways (even if the state maintenance ends at a city line, as it usually does, except on freeway-class roads).
The Commonwealth is also good at posting corporate limits of towns, at least where a road enters a town (towns in Virginia being municipalities that are part of a county, unlike cities, which are not).
Maryland posts county names pretty well on state-maintained roads as well, but municipalities (where we have them, most of the state is not in a municipality, and there are absolutely no townships and no boroughs).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 29, 2016, 06:13:53 PM
Virginia is very good at posting boundaries between counties, and between counties and [independent] cities, at least on state-maintained primary system highways (even if the state maintenance ends at a city line, as it usually does, except on freeway-class roads).
*Very* good, in that the signs say "Entering [County or City Name]/Leaving [County or City Name]" (unless you are entering the state from outside the Old Dominion, in which the sign just gives the name of the county/city being entered [plus a "Welcome to Virginia" sign).
QuoteMaryland posts county names pretty well on state-maintained roads as well, but municipalities (where we have them, most of the state is not in a municipality, and there are absolutely no townships and no boroughs).
The Seventh State's SHA usually augments its "Welcome to [County Name]" signs with the county seal. Some town/city limits are marked with similar signs bearing the greeting and the town/city seal.
One glaring exception to MD's county line signing policy is Kent County, from whose highway entrances there are absolutely no SHA-style county greeting signs. Kent County itself compensated for this by erecting handsome (IMO) wooden signs where MD 213 enters the county on the north and south sides that say
WELCOME TO
KENT COUNTYMARYLANDA Place to Grow
Years ago when my mother and I would make annual visits to relatives on the Eastern Shore, MD used small white rectangular signs on county lines that read just like Virginia's (showing the counties being entered and exited). I also remember seeing an "Entering Montgomery Co/Leaving Prince George's Co" sign (NOT of freeway size, and maybe dating from 1964?) on I-495's outer loop around 1980 when my stepdad and I were on our way to visit his brother (RIP to both) in NoVa.
As for New Jersey, I always liked that state's "Entering [Municipality Name]" signs, which are also used to sign entrances to unincorporated places like Mays Landing.
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on December 29, 2016, 07:11:21 PM
As for New Jersey, I always liked that state's "Entering [Municipality Name]" signs, which are also used to sign entrances to unincorporated places like Mays Landing.
ixnay
That's another thing. Most unincorporated communities are not posted. Aside from Mays Landing, I only know of West Atlantic City in Egg Harbor Township being posted and that is discontinuous from the rest of the township, but the rest of them, Marlton, Colonia, Princeton Junction, West Berlin, Cedar Knolls, etc., are not. Whippany gets this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8206491,-74.4070805,3a,37.5y,152.36h,79.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sksQOemYGJVSm_DXM_-cquQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
But I hardly think that counts. So why is Mays Landing special?
Quote from: bzakharin on December 29, 2016, 11:00:59 PM
Quote from: ixnay on December 29, 2016, 07:11:21 PM
As for New Jersey, I always liked that state's "Entering [Municipality Name]" signs, which are also used to sign entrances to unincorporated places like Mays Landing.
ixnay
That's another thing. Most unincorporated communities are not posted. Aside from Mays Landing, I only know of West Atlantic City in Egg Harbor Township being posted and that is discontinuous from the rest of the township, but the rest of them, Marlton, Colonia, Princeton Junction, West Berlin, Cedar Knolls, etc., are not. Whippany gets this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8206491,-74.4070805,3a,37.5y,152.36h,79.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sksQOemYGJVSm_DXM_-cquQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
But I hardly think that counts. So why is Mays Landing special?
It's definitely not only Mays Landing, but I couldn't specify offhand which other places get them.
Signing place names seem common in Cape May and Atlantic counties particularly on US-9. You'll get a sign like "Entering Whitesboro section of Middle Twp"
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 30, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Signing place names seem common in Cape May and Atlantic counties particularly on US-9. You'll get a sign like "Entering Whitesboro section of Middle Twp"
Boroughs aren't exempt. EB on U.S. 40 you'll see "Entering Landisville in Buena Boro" (right after entering Atlantic County from Gloucester County).
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on December 30, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 30, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Signing place names seem common in Cape May and Atlantic counties particularly on US-9. You'll get a sign like "Entering Whitesboro section of Middle Twp"
Boroughs aren't exempt. EB on U.S. 40 you'll see "Entering Landisville in Buena Boro" (right after entering Atlantic County from Gloucester County).
ixnay
Usually the boros signed are actual municipalities, not sections of towns.
Quote from: jwolfer on December 28, 2016, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: _Simon on December 27, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
It bothers me that they spell it Boro not Borough and Twp not Township. I dont understand why the dont add county to munincipal signs where appropriate. NJ unlike New England still has county governments and people identify with counties
When i wad a kid I did not like the tags had N. J. Instead of New Jersey spelled out.. Of course my dad being cheap he woyld not spring for new tags...
From what i understand there is still some sncient tags that jave been tranfered since the 1970s with the N. J.
LGMS428
US 9 used to have a sign going SB entering Lakewood from Howell that did also say that you were entering Ocean County as well as Lakewood. However, since NJDOT four laned all of US 9 in Howell back in the mid 1980's, I think the sign was removed. In fact with the 1998 redo of all municipal borders on State Highway I am almost sure its gone now.
I did once see on GSV that on Route 35 at the Manasquan River a sign facing sideways did mention the Monmouth- Ocean line just south of the bridge proper with arrows pointing to each county.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 28, 2016, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: _Simon on December 27, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
It bothers me that they spell it Boro not Borough and Twp not Township. I dont understand why the dont add county to munincipal signs where appropriate. NJ unlike New England still has county governments and people identify with counties
When i wad a kid I did not like the tags had N. J. Instead of New Jersey spelled out.. Of course my dad being cheap he woyld not spring for new tags...
From what i understand there is still some sncient tags that jave been tranfered since the 1970s with the N. J.
LGMS428
US 9 used to have a sign going SB entering Lakewood from Howell that did also say that you were entering Ocean County as well as Lakewood. However, since NJDOT four laned all of US 9 in Howell back in the mid 1980's, I think the sign was removed. In fact with the 1998 redo of all municipal borders on State Highway I am almost sure its gone now.
I did once see on GSV that on Route 35 at the Manasquan River a sign facing sideways did mention the Monmouth- Ocean line just south of the bridge proper with arrows pointing to each county.
I remember the siseways facing sign on route 35. For a long time there was a black and white porcelain one there
LGMS428
Quote from: jwolfer on December 31, 2016, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 28, 2016, 12:49:39 AM
Quote from: _Simon on December 27, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
I remember sometime between 1997 and 1999 NJ started putting the municipal crossing signs on all state maintained roads, before that they had only been adding them to newly designed roads. Since at least 1994, US-22 had a button copy "entering lopatcong township" at roseberry street, which was before they switched to "twp of" phrasing. Nj should also sign counties but they don't because there isn't as big of a demand. Most police and emergency agencies are either municipal or they have self maintained boundaries. I personally wouldn't mind a "welcome to bergan county" VMS that changes to a "closed for worship" sign on Sundays.
SM-G930V
It bothers me that they spell it Boro not Borough and Twp not Township. I dont understand why the dont add county to munincipal signs where appropriate. NJ unlike New England still has county governments and people identify with counties
When i wad a kid I did not like the tags had N. J. Instead of New Jersey spelled out.. Of course my dad being cheap he woyld not spring for new tags...
From what i understand there is still some sncient tags that jave been tranfered since the 1970s with the N. J.
LGMS428
US 9 used to have a sign going SB entering Lakewood from Howell that did also say that you were entering Ocean County as well as Lakewood. However, since NJDOT four laned all of US 9 in Howell back in the mid 1980's, I think the sign was removed. In fact with the 1998 redo of all municipal borders on State Highway I am almost sure its gone now.
I did once see on GSV that on Route 35 at the Manasquan River a sign facing sideways did mention the Monmouth- Ocean line just south of the bridge proper with arrows pointing to each county.
I remember the siseways facing sign on route 35. For a long time there was a black and white porcelain one there
LGMS428
It was much like this one at the Gloucester/Camden County line: https://goo.gl/maps/ifmqieN3xt32 . That GSV should be from 2009. The few since that are missing the sign. I wouldn't be surprised if the pole simply rusted and the sign fell. I'll have to take a walk out there to check that out.
To update...I took that walk. The post is still there, but no sign of the sign. There's a small, easily accessible embankment on the other side of the fence. I took a walk around there briefly, and while there was plenty of trash, no sign.
That said, you get a good view of the US 130 grated overpass from underneath. At some point in its life it used to be a drawbridge which is very clearly seen, but any functionality of that bridge was removed decades ago.
There's another porcelain county line sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6494175,-74.40655,3a,22.4y,96.78h,86.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKv1tsgnqso1LldnHawHt9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on 22 at the N. Plainfield/Scotch Plains border along the Green Brook.
And for whoever lamented that the county name is not on town line signs, Bergen County posts their own town limit signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8340383,-74.0527934,3a,52.2y,57.92h,87.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7hRz3wrZumRlUqgQ6e9WkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on county (and some local) roads which have the county name on them.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 31, 2016, 01:28:11 PM
To update...I took that walk. The post is still there, but no sign of the sign. There's a small, easily accessible embankment on the other side of the fence. I took a walk around there briefly, and while there was plenty of trash, no sign.
That said, you get a good view of the US 130 grated overpass from underneath. At some point in its life it used to be a drawbridge which is very clearly seen, but any functionality of that bridge was removed decades ago.
The one I posted on page 1 from NJ 41 is still there on GSV as of August 2016
Quote from: storm2k on December 31, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
There's another porcelain county line sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6494175,-74.40655,3a,22.4y,96.78h,86.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKv1tsgnqso1LldnHawHt9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on 22 at the N. Plainfield/Scotch Plains border along the Green Brook.
And for whoever lamented that the county name is not on town line signs, Bergen County posts their own town limit signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8340383,-74.0527934,3a,52.2y,57.92h,87.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7hRz3wrZumRlUqgQ6e9WkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on county (and some local) roads which have the county name on them.
Union County, NJ used to have their own ENTERING UNION COUNTY as well as an ENTERING SOMERSET COUNTY sign on Bonnie Brook Road and the unnamed overpass alignment crossing for Park, Diamond Hill, and Bonnie Burn over US 22 for the same waterway back in the late 80's and into after I left NJ in 90. GSV shows they're all gone now, but it was interesting that Union County signed both their own name and the adjacent county. Similar set up on Lake Avenue at the Clark/ Woodbridge (Colonia) line several miles away on the other side of the county, that is gone too.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: storm2k on December 31, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
There's another porcelain county line sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6494175,-74.40655,3a,22.4y,96.78h,86.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKv1tsgnqso1LldnHawHt9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on 22 at the N. Plainfield/Scotch Plains border along the Green Brook.
And for whoever lamented that the county name is not on town line signs, Bergen County posts their own town limit signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8340383,-74.0527934,3a,52.2y,57.92h,87.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7hRz3wrZumRlUqgQ6e9WkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on county (and some local) roads which have the county name on them.
Union County, NJ used to have their own ENTERING UNION COUNTY as well as an ENTERING SOMERSET COUNTY sign on Bonnie Brook Road and the unnamed overpass alignment crossing for Park, Diamond Hill, and Bonnie Burn over US 22 for the same waterway back in the late 80's and into after I left NJ in 90. GSV shows they're all gone now, but it was interesting that Union County signed both their own name and the adjacent county. Similar set up on Lake Avenue at the Clark/ Woodbridge (Colonia) line several miles away on the other side of the county, that is gone too.
You mean, like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5979779,-74.2596476,3a,25.6y,9.16h,85.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_if3TRRQ9D8e-15OsSp2Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)? This is still standing, on Hart St in Rahway. Badly faded, will probably not be replaced when it falls down.
No it was more like their old green guides from the mid 80's. The ones that stood for ages even on State maintained St. George Avenue at both Lake and Inman Avenues that the county erected along NJ 27 it was like only without arrows and partitions.
Union County used their own green color and small signs that you knew you were in Union County when you saw them just like now you know you are in Union because of their own type of signal mast arms.
Update: I haven't been up there in a while, but just noticed that on both I-287 and the Garden State Parkway they put up "New York State Line" and "New Jersey State Line" signs some time in 2011 or 2012. I wonder who put them up. Is it the Thruway Authority (I believe they own both 287 and GSP on the NY side)? Because they are identical, and they are owned by different agencies on the NJ side. The only other freeway that crosses the land NY/NJ border is the Palisades Parkway and that one has had its own "Entering New Jersey / Entering New York" signs forever. The only other crossing owned by the Thruway, I-90, only has GSV from 2008, so I could not check if something similar was put up there.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2017, 10:17:23 AM
Update: I haven't been up there in a while, but just noticed that on both I-287 and the Garden State Parkway they put up "New York State Line" and "New Jersey State Line" signs some time in 2011 or 2012. I wonder who put them up. Is it the Thruway Authority (I believe they own both 287 and GSP on the NY side)? Because they are identical, and they are owned by different agencies on the NJ side.
The signs at the Garden State Parkway are in Clearview so both are likely NYSTA installs.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2017, 10:17:23 AM
Update: I haven't been up there in a while, but just noticed that on both I-287 and the Garden State Parkway they put up "New York State Line" and "New Jersey State Line" signs some time in 2011 or 2012. I wonder who put them up. Is it the Thruway Authority (I believe they own both 287 and GSP on the NY side)? Because they are identical, and they are owned by different agencies on the NJ side. The only other freeway that crosses the land NY/NJ border is the Palisades Parkway and that one has had its own "Entering New Jersey / Entering New York" signs forever. The only other crossing owned by the Thruway, I-90, only has GSV from 2008, so I could not check if something similar was put up there.
That's a NYSTA thing, NJTA does not do signing like that at all. They have the big Welcome to NJ sign about a half a mile or so past the state line, but that's it. NYSDOT does it also, I know the Palisades Parkway has signs like that.
https://goo.gl/maps/mbGjFcktwxG2
Why doesn't the NJ State Line sign match up with the difference in pavement? Is the GSP paving New York roadway? No wonder why our tolls are so high!!! :D
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 05, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/mbGjFcktwxG2
Why doesn't the NJ State Line sign match up with the difference in pavement? Is the GSP paving New York roadway? No wonder why our tolls are so high!!! :D
The signs are definitely on the "NJ Side". This one [https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1133862,-74.1623492,3a,75y,229.83h,81.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk-KhnALwmrzA9ldZvpjwYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656] is even directly on top of an NJ DOT spec "Entering Twp of Mahwah". Which is why NYSTA was not my first guess.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Union County, NJ used to have their own ENTERING UNION COUNTY as well as an ENTERING SOMERSET COUNTY sign on Bonnie Brook Road and the unnamed overpass alignment crossing for Park, Diamond Hill, and Bonnie Burn over US 22 for the same waterway back in the late 80's and into after I left NJ in 90.
They still exist on that segment of roadway.
https://goo.gl/maps/WGP35FtZtCy
https://goo.gl/maps/pFn267iGWDJ2
https://goo.gl/maps/5jFgvw3rKUE2
Bonnie Burn Rd. and Plainfield Ave. are both in Somerset County at times, yet are maintained by Union County DPW as CR-641.
In Maryland, all Interstates and U.S. routes and upper-tier state routes have a large "Maryland Welcomes You - Enjoy Your Visit" sign with the governor's name (currently Larry Hogan) tacked on below. Lower-tier state routes have smaller signs that do not include the governor's name. County-maintained roads do not acknowledge the state line, and the only way for drivers to know when they enter Maryland is when the pavement changes.
All of Maryland's 23 counties and the independent city of Baltimore have their own standardized green welcome signs that state "Welcome to (county name), accompanied by a small image of the county's seal. This same type of sign is used to indicate entry into many of the state's incorporated municipalities. For some unincorporated communities, mostly those with their own post offices, a small green sign simply stating the name of that locality is placed within a certain radius of that locality's center point.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2017, 10:17:23 AM
Update: I haven't been up there in a while, but just noticed that on both I-287 and the Garden State Parkway they put up "New York State Line" and "New Jersey State Line" signs some time in 2011 or 2012. I wonder who put them up. Is it the Thruway Authority (I believe they own both 287 and GSP on the NY side)? Because they are identical, and they are owned by different agencies on the NJ side. The only other freeway that crosses the land NY/NJ border is the Palisades Parkway and that one has had its own "Entering New Jersey / Entering New York" signs forever. The only other crossing owned by the Thruway, I-90, only has GSV from 2008, so I could not check if something similar was put up there.
:hmmm:
Not the only other crossing. There's I-95 (which does have them on both the NY and CT sides) and the other I-90.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 05, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/mbGjFcktwxG2
Why doesn't the NJ State Line sign match up with the difference in pavement? Is the GSP paving New York roadway? No wonder why our tolls are so high!!! :D
The signs are definitely on the "NJ Side". This one [https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1133862,-74.1623492,3a,75y,229.83h,81.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk-KhnALwmrzA9ldZvpjwYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656] is even directly on top of an NJ DOT spec "Entering Twp of Mahwah". Which is why NYSTA was not my first guess.
Not according to Google Maps...
Does not the one on I-287 entering NJ have it with the Entering Twp. of Mahwah? From the photo I saw, which is from some road geek on Flickr, I saw it was a typical NJDOT entering Mahwah sign, with the State Line above it. So I assume its NJ.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 06, 2017, 10:22:40 AM
Does not the one on I-287 entering NJ have it with the Entering Twp. of Mahwah? From the photo I saw, which is from some road geek on Flickr, I saw it was a typical NJDOT entering Mahwah sign, with the State Line above it. So I assume its NJ.
It's (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1133862,-74.1623492,3a,75y,232.96h,93.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk-KhnALwmrzA9ldZvpjwYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) coupled with the NYSTA-spec'd
New Jersey State Line sign.
This is not exactly what's been asked for, but here is a montage I made of the welcome signs I passed as I traveled through the 48 contiguous states.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F5es4f8.png&hash=c6986953a36e06433012ac7050b84bee83792b82)
As others have mentioned, the signs seem most official on Interstate and US route border crossings, with state routes and regular streets having either local signs or less elaborate state signs.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 08, 2017, 01:59:56 AM
This is not exactly what's been asked for, but here is a montage I made of the welcome signs I passed as I traveled through the 48 contiguous states.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F5es4f8.png&hash=c6986953a36e06433012ac7050b84bee83792b82)
As others have mentioned, the signs seem most official on Interstate and US route border crossings, with state routes and regular streets having either local signs or less elaborate state signs.
You, sir, deserve an Internet for that. Challenge: get one for Alaska. (I'm assuming Hawaii just doesn't have it.)
Only if the State has one leaving the airport like Missouri does leaving Kansas City's Airport.
Quote from: Alps on January 08, 2017, 12:08:52 PM
You, sir, deserve an Internet for that. Challenge: get one for Alaska. (I'm assuming Hawaii just doesn't have it.)
Pull up streetview and check, cause that's where some of the images came from :P
Quote from: Alps on January 08, 2017, 12:08:52 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 08, 2017, 01:59:56 AM
This is not exactly what's been asked for, but here is a montage I made of the welcome signs I passed as I traveled through the 48 contiguous states.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F5es4f8.png&hash=c6986953a36e06433012ac7050b84bee83792b82)
As others have mentioned, the signs seem most official on Interstate and US route border crossings, with state routes and regular streets having either local signs or less elaborate state signs.
You, sir, deserve an Internet for that. Challenge: get one for Alaska. (I'm assuming Hawaii just doesn't have it.)
Hawaii actually has a welcome sign at Honolulu International Airport...
Don't believe me? Just do a little Google search on Hawaii welcome sign... :nod: :nod: :nod: :colorful: :colorful: :colorful:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hawaii+welcome+sign&espv=2&biw=1242&bih=602&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipn86dp7PRAhVH_IMKHRkGBX0Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=upS3OrosumoM6M%3A
Quote from: vdeane on January 05, 2017, 09:16:54 PM
:hmmm:
Not the only other crossing. There's I-95 (which does have them on both the NY and CT sides) and the other I-90.
Oh, yeah. Oops. However, I don't see the same kind of signs at the CT Crossing. All I see is https://www.google.com/maps/@40.994241,-73.6595542,3a,15y,75.5h,74.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4NKuw9KTE7al4sb0qEgMRw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
As for the other I-90, the GSV is from 2012 which may be earlier than when the ones with NJ were put up.
They were before one got on the bridge. Judging by the street view, it looks like both were taken down. The NY sign (in CT) is only visible in Sept. 2012, and the CT sign (on the NY side) is only visible from Sept. 2012-Dec. 2015. They were also there when I took photos on 6/30/13.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FNY%2Fi95%2F100_8303-s.JPG&hash=66b139f1ddb44d91fb0c15ed24e2b8025d813512)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nysroads.com%2Fimages%2Fgallery%2FCT%2Fi95%2F100_8299-s.JPG&hash=e726340141c951594d63ffc05df94ebb7ad0eb8d)
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 08, 2017, 01:59:56 AM
This is not exactly what's been asked for, but here is a montage I made of the welcome signs I passed as I traveled through the 48 contiguous states.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F5es4f8.png&hash=c6986953a36e06433012ac7050b84bee83792b82)
As others have mentioned, the signs seem most official on Interstate and US route border crossings, with state routes and regular streets having either local signs or less elaborate state signs.
Florida is in the process of building fancy brand new welcome and see ya signs on the interstates
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170110%2Fa0393e854630855a8d438a970b7330ef.jpg&hash=5a411f9c0217d61f73575c82affac25f9f0bc6e4)
Artist rendering
LGMS428
Quote from: Alps on January 08, 2017, 12:08:52 PM
You, sir, deserve an Internet for that. Challenge: get one for Alaska. (I'm assuming Hawaii just doesn't have it.)
I have just a lowly Honda Civic. It will not be making its way to the great white north. The Alaska Highway does seem like a magnificent drive though. If I were going to do that, I’d try to clinch as many Canadian provinces as possible. So far, I only have one.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 08, 2017, 01:48:01 PM
Pull up streetview and check, cause that's where some of the images came from :P
Most of them, yes. Some come from other places, and a couple are my own. You can see crappy Google pictures in New Jersey, West Virginia, and Delaware, especially. Someone on this message board tried to get me a fresh picture of Delaware, but the sign apparently was not there. (I came in on MD/DE 273 to avoid the tolls on I-95, so that picture is not of the standard Delaware sign, but a sign specifically for New Castle County.)
To contribute a bit more directly, the Illinois welcome signs focus on Lincoln, since he’s one of the very few things that Chicago people and downstate people both appreciate about Illinois. My experience is also that they seem to be a little sparse on the ground, in that the US 52 crossing from Iowa doesn't have one. Given that there's a significant bridge there, I was a bit surprised.
Crossing into Newark, DE along DE Route 279, coming in form Elkton, MD...back in June of 2014. :clap:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqeegcsF.jpg&hash=828147e8331579316128b1ed603bc4ccb181049d)
Vdeane, that New York State Line sign on 95 has nothing on what used to be at the CT end of that bridge...
https://www.cardcow.com/297430/connecticut-turnpike-at-byron-greenwich/
Rumors that Ryan Seacrest wrote that copy have not been confirmed.
ixnay
@ VDEANE: Those I-95 signs on the CT/NY border are still there. They're clearly NY installations, too. The actual state line is about one FOOT north of the MM15 sign on the bridge itself. (MM 15 for the New England section of the NY State Thruway, of course!)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJDL0fh8.jpg&hash=2695221c0734da86ada644534f435cb28e35353b)
I miss Pennsylvania's greeting for I-95 motorists coming out of Delaware that was erected when that part of 95 was first built at the end of the '60s - a basic (smallish) green sign with copy thus...
Welcome to
PENNSYLVANIA
Interstate [I-95 shield] Highway
Please Drive Carefully
In that same era, I-81 coming out of New York had a sign with the same copy at the PA line, only the sign was larger and the text was button copy (plus of course it had an I-81 rather than 95 shield).
When Bob Casey Sr. became governor, that was I believe when PennDOT replaced the existing welcome signs at the interstate highway entry points, with "Pennsylvania: America Starts Here" signs.
The text on the sign in CtrlAltDel's montage looks like it dates from Tom Ridge's administration (it has the font used for the "Pennsylvania: Memories Last a Lifetime" ads).
ixnay
I used to like the original entry to NJ signs on state routes (and US ones too) that listed the state's default speed limits. The last time I was on US 9W in 03, there was one left on the left side just where the pre Palisades Parkway alignment departed the present day one.
US 202 had a larger one back in the 1980's entering the state on its freeway in Lambertville.
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ. There's one near me, but for whatever reason the town (or county) keeps putting an electronic sign up that says
SLOW
SLOW
SLOW
DRIVE
SAFELY
Without a signed limit, it should be 50 mph, so not sure what's with the 'Slow' references. And why they can't get a lower limit placed on the road, I don't know.
Even with the new NJ Turnpike Speed Limit signs, it's not too uncommon to see them turned off. It'll default to 65 due to the state law that specifies what roads are 65 mph, although you'll have to be speeding above some of the top limits in the nation before they'll stop you.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ.
I've seen "End Speed Limit XX" in some places leaving NJ, mostly on the types of roads not important enough for welcome signs. This was almost always followed by a regular Speed Limit sign (sometimes even the same speed) on the NY side. I'm not sure why NJ is compelled to post them, as they have no jurisdiction beyond that point anyway.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 10, 2017, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ.
I've seen "End Speed Limit XX" in some places leaving NJ, mostly on the types of roads not important enough for welcome signs. This was almost always followed by a regular Speed Limit sign (sometimes even the same speed) on the NY side. I'm not sure why NJ is compelled to post them, as they have no jurisdiction beyond that point anyway.
Unless NY posted them.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 10, 2017, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ.
I've seen "End Speed Limit XX" in some places leaving NJ, mostly on the types of roads not important enough for welcome signs. This was almost always followed by a regular Speed Limit sign (sometimes even the same speed) on the NY side. I'm not sure why NJ is compelled to post them, as they have no jurisdiction beyond that point anyway.
Unless NY posted them.
I suppose that's possible, but why would they? Why not just go with regular speed limit signs?
Quote from: bzakharin on January 10, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 10, 2017, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ.
I've seen "End Speed Limit XX" in some places leaving NJ, mostly on the types of roads not important enough for welcome signs. This was almost always followed by a regular Speed Limit sign (sometimes even the same speed) on the NY side. I'm not sure why NJ is compelled to post them, as they have no jurisdiction beyond that point anyway.
Unless NY posted them.
I suppose that's possible, but why would they? Why not just go with regular speed limit signs?
Probably the same reason why they post NJ State Line signs. Why would they?
PA used to post END Speed limit signs along US 1 between Longwood Gardens near Kennett Square and the Media Bypass instead of posting a 55 mph sign. NY was always good on that one too, where the end of the Village Speed Zone of 40 would end it would say END 40 MPH Speed Limit instead of just posting a 55 mph sign.
BTW I believe Michigan has most of their 55 mph 2 lane highways not posted with a speed limit sign as they strongly believe that there are enough roads that are 55 being the state speed limit not needing to waste dollars on signs. At least with US 31 north of US 10 when I was there in 08.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 08, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
I have just a lowly Honda Civic. It will not be making its way to the great white north. The Alaska Highway does seem like a magnificent drive though. If I were going to do that, I'd try to clinch as many Canadian provinces as possible. So far, I only have one.
Just provinces, not territories?
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 09, 2017, 05:51:27 PM
Crossing into Newark, DE along DE Route 279, coming in form Elkton, MD...back in June of 2014. :clap:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqeegcsF.jpg&hash=828147e8331579316128b1ed603bc4ccb181049d)
That style was phased out. Here's what Delaware is posting now:
https://twitter.com/AARoads/status/811228053313638400
Quote from: dgolub on January 11, 2017, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 08, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
I have just a lowly Honda Civic. It will not be making its way to the great white north. The Alaska Highway does seem like a magnificent drive though. If I were going to do that, I'd try to clinch as many Canadian provinces as possible. So far, I only have one.
Just provinces, not territories?
Well, the Yukon would be required. And I could maybe do the Northwest. But I don't think there's any actual roads to Nunavut.
I distinctly remember on Sloatsburg Road crossing the NJ- NY Line that there was a Leave Passaic County sign. Other than that no mentions of the states. Now this was years ago, but to support the point of that local and county roads usually do not get to post state signs and is always been.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 10, 2017, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
It is an extremely rare road that doesn't have a signed speed limit anymore in NJ.
I've seen "End Speed Limit XX" in some places leaving NJ, mostly on the types of roads not important enough for welcome signs. This was almost always followed by a regular Speed Limit sign (sometimes even the same speed) on the NY side. I'm not sure why NJ is compelled to post them, as they have no jurisdiction beyond that point anyway.
It's most likely so cops and other workers know exactly where the jurisdiction ends regardless of what new York may sign, enact, or change.
This is why some states and municipalities erect "leaving" signage, the entering signage for the adjacent entity is outside their control or may not have initially existed.
SM-G930V
Quote from: ixnay on January 10, 2017, 07:45:20 AM
I miss Pennsylvania's greeting for I-95 motorists coming out of Delaware that was erected when that part of 95 was first built at the end of the '60s - a basic (smallish) green sign with copy thus...
Welcome to
PENNSYLVANIA
Interstate [I-95 shield] Highway
Please Drive Carefully
In that same era, I-81 coming out of New York had a sign with the same copy at the PA line, only the sign was larger and the text was button copy (plus of course it had an I-81 rather than 95 shield).
ixnay
I don't have an I-95 or I-81, but here is an I-80 version for your trip down memory lane. Please drive safely!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi703.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww34%2Fslorydn1%2FRoad%2520Photos%2F2015-03-19%252019.59.42_zpsja8bduwj.jpg&hash=c97fccc5799485571aead2389717fe17680361fd)
This is the sign that resides at that spot now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9871642,-75.1389226,3a,44.9y,19.5h,84.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssdeGWpnN-2wJbtVZJ5sTyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9871642,-75.1389226,3a,44.9y,19.5h,84.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssdeGWpnN-2wJbtVZJ5sTyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
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Judging by the dash; that's a '77-'84 Chevy Caprice.
Come to think of it, slorydn, BION I remember that I-80 greeting also, from about 30 years ago when I lived in Cape May County and went up to the Poconos on a ski trip via the GSP, 287, 202, and 80.
I wonder if 80 out of Ohio, 81 out of MD, 70, and 90 had that same sign at the PA entrances. As for 95 off of the Scudders Falls into PA, which I've crossed *only* a couple of times, that entrance only had IIRC a gold on blue all caps "Welcome to Pennsylvania/Please Drive Safely" sign.
ixnay
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 26, 2017, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
Judging by the dash; that's a '77-'84 Chevy Caprice.
Close. It was a 1986 Caprice Classic. It was all black with the grey interior. It was my dad's company car, he called it the Mafia Staff Car, lol. I shot that picture from the back seat using my moms Vivitar 110.
Quote from: ixnay on January 26, 2017, 07:47:19 PM
Come to think of it, slorydn, BION I remember that I-80 greeting also, from about 30 years ago when I lived in Cape May County and went up to the Poconos on a ski trip via the GSP, 287, 202, and 80.
I wonder if 80 out of Ohio, 81 out of MD, 70, and 90 had that same sign at the PA entrances. As for 95 off of the Scudders Falls into PA, which I've crossed *only* a couple of times, that entrance only had IIRC a gold on blue all caps "Welcome to Pennsylvania/Please Drive Safely" sign.
ixnay
We used to drive from Grand Rapids or Chicago to New York and back twice a year to visit family from the early 70's until I left the Midwest for good in 1991.
Yes there was a similar sign heading eastbound out of Ohio on I-80, too. I can't speak to the other routes, though. I was way to young to remember much about the trips the only time I entered PA via I-70 or I-76, and I have never entered the state from the other routes.
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 11:59:14 PM
Quote from: ixnay on January 26, 2017, 07:47:19 PM
Come to think of it, slorydn, BION I remember that I-80 greeting also, from about 30 years ago when I lived in Cape May County and went up to the Poconos on a ski trip via the GSP, 287, 202, and 80.
I wonder if 80 out of Ohio, 81 out of MD, 70, and 90 had that same sign at the PA entrances. As for 95 off of the Scudders Falls into PA, which I've crossed *only* a couple of times, that entrance only had IIRC a gold on blue all caps "Welcome to Pennsylvania/Please Drive Safely" sign.
ixnay
We used to drive from Grand Rapids or Chicago to New York and back twice a year to visit family from the early 70's until I left the Midwest for good in 1991.
Yes there was a similar sign heading eastbound out of Ohio on I-80, too. I can't speak to the other routes, though. I was way to young to remember much about the trips the only time I entered PA via I-70 or I-76, and I have never entered the state from the other routes.
I think I-84 had that sign too coming into Matamoras (PA's easternmost town) from NYS.
ixnay
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 26, 2017, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
Judging by the dash; that's a '77-'84 Chevy Caprice.
Close. It was a 1986 Caprice Classic. It was all black with the grey interior. It was my dad's company car, he called it the Mafia Staff Car, lol. I shot that picture from the back seat using my moms Vivitar 110.
I didn't realize that an analogue-face clock was still available from '85 onward (that was the year the dash got refurbished & all the available radios featured a digital clock display). I owned an '89 Caprice Classic for 4 years (tu-tone black/grey w/a grey interior) and the where the analogue clock was on older models just featured the Caprice crest/logo.
Interior shot of an '85 Caprice Classic. Later vintages replaced the silver trim for woodgrain trim. Note: where the clock is:
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Quote from: PHLBOS on January 27, 2017, 09:17:40 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 26, 2017, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 26, 2017, 02:33:12 AM
Judging by the dash; that's a '77-'84 Chevy Caprice.
Close. It was a 1986 Caprice Classic. It was all black with the grey interior. It was my dad's company car, he called it the Mafia Staff Car, lol. I shot that picture from the back seat using my moms Vivitar 110.
I didn't realize that an analogue-face clock was still available from '85 onward (that was the year the dash got refurbished & all the available radios featured a digital clock display). I owned an '89 Caprice Classic for 4 years (tu-tone black/grey w/a grey interior) and the where the analogue clock was on older models just featured the Caprice crest/logo.
I can attest to that. My dad's final company car was a 1990 Caprice Classic Brougham, and it didn't have the analogue clock, it had the digital clock integrated into the radio face, and it had the crest where the clock was in that picture.
I think 86 was the last year for the clock, as well as the old style 4 bulb square headlights. Starting 87 they had the flush composite headlights like your 89 and I remember that my neighbors 87 Caprice patrol car (he was an Illinois State Trooper) didn't have the analogue clock.
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 27, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
The dash changed for '85 (as shown above), silver tones replaced woodgrain tones and the clock (digital-only) was moved into the radio display that same year.
For '86, the exterior got a facelift and the Impala badge went into what would be a 15-year hiatus (8-year hiatus if one includes the '94-'96 Impala SS sedan). Woodgrain tones started reappearing on the dash that year (except for the radio & climate controls). The upright hood-ornament was replaced with one mounted just above the grille.
For '87, composite headlights would appear upfront (as you mentioned), up-right hood ornament returns, and woodgrain tones appear on the radio & climate controls again.
For '89, rear-outboard seatbelts get shoulder straps (replacing the lap-belts of earlier vintages).
For '90, the outboard front seatbelt anchors are moved from the B-pillar to the front doors; such turned out to be a very controversial move (how secure was someone should the door fly open?) and showed up on other GM models.
If your dad's '86 had an analogue clock above the climate controls; it may have been a dealer or aftermarket retro-fit.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 27, 2017, 09:49:37 AM
If your dad's '86 had an analogue clock above the climate controls; it may have been a dealer or aftermarket retro-fit.
It may have been a dealer thing, but definitely not aftermarket. It was a leased vehicle. The company my dad worked for provided him with a company car every 2 years or 50K miles, whichever came first.
The company actually pressured the employees to reach the 50K mile mark as quickly as possible, they authorized all of the employees to use the vehicles for personal use as well. If it was taken on a trip for personal use my dad had to pay for the gas, otherwise the company paid for that as well. Spouses were allowed to drive them as well, as long as the employee had them insured on their personal policy and not the company's policy.
That's why we were where we were for me to snap that picture of a welcome sign in that vehicle, 650 miles from home. <
my extremely weak attempt at driving this back to the topic of the thread>
Welp...the Vermont welcome sign on I-91 North is back to some extent! :clap:
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