Is there a complete list of multi-state routes anywhere? For my purposes, I'm asking about state-level routes that maintain the same route number across
three or more states.
The ones that I'm aware of:
- MSR 5 (Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa)
- MSR 8 (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont)
- MSR 9 (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine)
- MSR 10 (Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire)
- MSR 11 (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine)
- MSR 12 (Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont)
- MSR 16 (North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia)
- MSR 23 (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas)
- MSR 25 (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine)
- MSR 26 (Vermont [barely!], New Hampshire, Maine)
- MSR 28 (South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina)
- MSR 32 (Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire)
- MSR 49 (South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia)
- MSR 71 (Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota)
- MSR 92 (Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois)
- MSR 99 (Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska [and formerly Texas])
- MSR 119 (Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts)
- MSR 121 (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina)
- MSR 138 (Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts)
- MSR 200 (Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota)
- MSR 896 (Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania)
Former MSRs:
- MSR 17 (Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey) Ended when I-86 replaced PA-17.
- MSR 26 (South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia) Eliminated with the creation of US-21 and 521.
- MSR 96 (Colorado, Kansas, Missouri) The creation of US-400 eliminated an eastern segment of KS-96, breaking up the route.
- MSR 120 (Indiana, Michigan, Ohio) Broken up when Michigan eliminated its section of the route.
- MSR 789 (Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana) The designation of 789, largely redundant, was eliminated in every state besides Wyoming.
And one more of dubious existence:
- MSR 80 (Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia) Has a gap across the Mississippi River due to the closure of the ferry. Furthermore, KY-80 may not have ever reached the ferry, with the 0.5 mile route segment between the ferry and KY-80's terminus in Columbus instead being KY-58.
If anyone knows of more and/or a more complete list, please post them here. :) I will update this list as more are posted.
You have MSR 96 (Colorado, Kansas), MSR 5 (Montana, North Dakota), and MSR 150 (Utah, Wyoming) off the top of my head.
EDIT: Just saw the three-state minimum.
Quote from: Rover_0 on March 14, 2019, 01:13:23 AM
You have MSR 96 (Colorado, Kansas), MSR 5 (Montana, North Dakota), and MSR 150 (Utah, Wyoming) off the top of my head.
EDIT: Just saw the three-state minimum.
It's cool. ;-) It's just that there are tons of two-state MSRs and I don't want to get bogged down by those.
Briefly going into fictional territory, the MSR 5 you mention could enter three states if Minnesota renumbered MN-175 to MN-5. But that'll never happen because the real MN-5 is an important Twin Cities metro route.
OK 99 once continued across the Red River as TX 99.
IA/MO/AR 5
KS/OK/TX 23
SD/NE/CO 71
CT/MA/VT 8
CT/MA/NH/VT 12
New England: In addition to those already mentioned,
VT/NH/ME 9
CT/MA/NH 10
VT/NH/ME 11
VT/NH/ME 25
VT/NH/ME 26
CT/MA/NH 32
MA/NH/VT 119
MA/RI/CT 138
SC/GA/NC 28
NC/VA/WV 16
SC/NC/VA 49
DE/MD/PA 896
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 12:55:20 AM
- MSR 80 (Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia [minus the ferry across the Mississippi River that no longer operates])
The ferry notwithstanding, this isn't really the case anymore. KY 80 ends at KY 58, about 3/4ths of a mile from the river. Kentucky official maps no longer sign concurrencies, and the lower number controls, so officially the route from the intersection in "downtown" Columbus to the river is only KY 58. But KY 80 is not signed there, either.
Aww, alright then. I've stricken it from the main list. Any idea when KY-80 was scaled back? I'd assume it was when the ferry closed. Or did it always end there (and thus doesn't belong on any list)?
Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
Does NJ/NY/NJ 440 count?
Quote from: vdeane on March 14, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
Good catch. Added to the second list.
Quote from: bzakharin on March 14, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Does NJ/NY/NJ 440 count?
Not quite. I'm looking for those that enter at least three
different states. If I'm counting only state line crossings, MSR 28 would be listed with five crossings, since it has two separate sections in both SC and GA.
Former: IN/MI/OH 120
Arguable: NH 1A, MA 1A, US 1A in RI
Former and arguable: PA/NY/New England 5
Quote from: 1 on March 14, 2019, 01:11:47 PM
Former: IN/MI/OH 120
Arguable: NH 1A, MA 1A, US 1A in RI
Former and arguable: PA/NY/New England 5
Added the first one to the former list. I'm torn about the other two though. The existence of a RI-1A separate from US-1A muddies things even more–if they were switched it'd be a no-brainer.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 01:40:59 AM
Quote from: Rover_0 on March 14, 2019, 01:13:23 AM
You have MSR 96 (Colorado, Kansas), MSR 5 (Montana, North Dakota), and MSR 150 (Utah, Wyoming) off the top of my head.
EDIT: Just saw the three-state minimum.
It's cool. ;-) It's just that there are tons of two-state MSRs and I don't want to get bogged down by those.
Briefly going into fictional territory, the MSR 5 you mention could enter three states if Minnesota renumbered MN-175 to MN-5. But that'll never happen because the real MN-5 is an important Twin Cities metro route.
Did MSR-96 use to run CO-KS-MO?
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 11:22:07 AM
Aww, alright then. I've stricken it from the main list. Any idea when KY-80 was scaled back? I'd assume it was when the ferry closed. Or did it always end there (and thus doesn't belong on any list)?
No idea. I'd have to research the available older online maps to double-check. It's been this way since at least May 1981, per http://tinyurl.com/y566yuo9. (Or, https://transportation.ky.gov/Planning/State%20Primary%20Road%20System%20Lists/Hickman.pdf, if you're paranoid about shorter links. :bigass: )
FL / GA / SC 121 is likely one of the southernmost MSRs you'll find. (I think it was once proposed as US 121, but it never happened.)
Most other MSRs in the South are going to be concentrated around North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 14, 2019, 01:40:59 AM
Quote from: Rover_0 on March 14, 2019, 01:13:23 AM
You have MSR 96 (Colorado, Kansas), MSR 5 (Montana, North Dakota), and MSR 150 (Utah, Wyoming) off the top of my head.
EDIT: Just saw the three-state minimum.
It's cool. ;-) It's just that there are tons of two-state MSRs and I don't want to get bogged down by those.
Briefly going into fictional territory, the MSR 5 you mention could enter three states if Minnesota renumbered MN-175 to MN-5. But that'll never happen because the real MN-5 is an important Twin Cities metro route.
Did MSR-96 use to run CO-KS-MO?
Yes.
Was MSR 789 ever signed in all three of CO, NM, WY or was it some dumb thing that Wyoming ended up with alone?
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 14, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
Was MSR 789 ever signed in all three of CO, NM, WY or was it some dumb thing that Wyoming ended up with alone?
I believe that it was signed in all three states, including Wyoming and Arizona. I actually have a CO-789 sign myself.
Quote from: Rover_0 on March 14, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 14, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
Was MSR 789 ever signed in all three of CO, NM, WY or was it some dumb thing that Wyoming ended up with alone?
I believe that it was signed in all three states, including Wyoming and Arizona. I actually have a CO-789 sign myself.
The reason it's still around is in Wyoming is that the other states simply threw a redundant 789 concurrency on top of the existing routes, which was later deemed redundant and removed. Wyoming actually renumbered the existing routes.
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 14, 2019, 06:23:05 AM
SC/GA/NC 28
NC/VA/WV 16
SC/NC/VA 49
DE/MD/PA 896
Are those the only ones in VA and PA?
Quote from: Beltway on March 14, 2019, 11:41:50 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 14, 2019, 06:23:05 AM
SC/GA/NC 28
NC/VA/WV 16
SC/NC/VA 49
DE/MD/PA 896
Are those the only ones in VA and PA?
Since many route numbers in PA don't stay the same over state lines it is hard for PA to have many MSRs.
Virginia used to have another one besides MO/KY/VA 80 discussed upthread: SC/NC/VA 26 which existed until 1933...
Also MSR 789 is shown on maps to have also been in Montana.
Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)
1947 Hickman County map shows it still KY 98 - https://catalog.archives.gov/id/12171272
1950 Hickman also still showing as KY 98 - http://www.uky.edu/maps/ghm1950/
1951 TN official shows it as KY 98...
The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map
Updated the list again.
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 12:44:06 PM
Also MSR 789 is shown on maps to have also been in Montana.
Do we know if it was ever signed in Montana? I tentatively put a question mark beside it because I seem to recall reading that it wasn't ever signed.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 15, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map
So the question then is, did that section of KY-58 ever carry 80, too? Or has there always been a gap there, and for some reason Missouri chose the 80 number even though it didn't connect?
Quote from: vdeane on March 14, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
You can make an argument that it still does exist if you count the Waverly dip as the PA portion.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 15, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Updated the list again.
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 12:44:06 PM
Also MSR 789 is shown on maps to have also been in Montana.
Do we know if it was ever signed in Montana? I tentatively put a question mark beside it because I seem to recall reading that it wasn't ever signed.
I have found proof MT 789 was signed...if you click on the full screen button you can zoom in and clearly see it was signed, although differently from MT 200 which is also present with the US 87 posting...
https://mtmemory.org/digital/collection/p103401cmhp/id/3504/rec/166
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 15, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 14, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Former example: PA/NY/NJ 17
You can make an argument that it still does exist if you count the Waverly dip as the PA portion.
Except the Waverly portion is still NY 17. It's maintained by NYSDOT and there are no keystones to be found.
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 10:14:02 PM
I have found proof MT 789 was signed...if you click on the full screen button you can zoom in and clearly see it was signed, although differently from MT 200 which is also present with the US 87 posting...
https://mtmemory.org/digital/collection/p103401cmhp/id/3504/rec/166
Well that settles that! Very cool.
Since MT-200 is also present there, it makes me wonder if there's any other places where two MSRs intersect/have intersected in the past.
MSR 16 and MSR 49 intersect in Charlotte NC
Don't know how far back you want to go for former MSRs but there was a SC/NC/VA 26 in the 20s-early 30s (this was usurped by US 521 and US 21)
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 11:41:42 PM
Don't know how far back you want to go for former MSRs but there was a SC/NC/VA 26 in the 20s-early 30s (this was usurped by US 521 and US 21)
Oh shoot, I saw that mentioned the first time but forgot to add it. Fixed.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 15, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Since MT-200 is also present there, it makes me wonder if there's any other places where two MSRs intersect/have intersected in the past.
Plenty in New England. For example, 9, 10, and 12 are all concurrent in Keene, NH.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 15, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 15, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map
So the question then is, did that section of KY-58 ever carry 80, too? Or has there always been a gap there, and for some reason Missouri chose the 80 number even though it didn't connect?
There is a KYDOT report from 1985 (https://books.google.com/books?id=Xps1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=ky+80+columbus+ferry) that states that the road connecting to the Columbus Ferry provides access to KY 58/80, but that the connecting road to the ferry was KY 58.
Contradicting that, though much less formal, is a map of "Old Columbus" (https://virginiajewell.com/2015/05/16/211990-what-was-old-columbus-like/) that shows the road as KY 80. Given that this was in a history magazine, I am not inclined to trust this.
Here is proof that Arizona signed MSR 789 there too. Here is where it ends at the Mexican Border, along with US 89...
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nogales-arizona-k-c-rader-of-nogales-former-arizona-highway-news-photo/162375143
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 16, 2019, 04:51:36 PM
Here is proof that Arizona signed MSR 789 there too. Here is where it ends at the Mexican Border, along with US 89...
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nogales-arizona-k-c-rader-of-nogales-former-arizona-highway-news-photo/162375143
Wow, not only is that a cutout statename US 89 reminscent of a colored Florida US shield (hard to tell, as it's black and white), but that's also a cutout AZ SR shield, and it's a beautiful one at that for a state-outline shield! That photo is how it should be done!
Let's see, if Oregon... California style US highway shields at minimum, if the statename is asking too much, then the cutout eagle reverse spade shields for the Routes, and for the love of roadgeeks, a cutout state outline in the style demonstrated in this photo for the Highways underlying the Routes!
Quote from: SGwithADD on March 16, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 15, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 15, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
Concerning KY 80, the 1937 Hickman County map that's online shows the route to the river and the ferry as KY 58. KY 80 did not even exist on its current route then; that route was what appears to be KY 98 (the map is a scan and the route number is hard to read. A look at the statewide 1939 map confirms it was KY 98.) KY 80 appears in Hickman County by 1953 (the next-newest map that's online)
Quote from: Mapmikey on March 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
The Missouri side starts showing as MO 80 with their 1955 Official map
So the question then is, did that section of KY-58 ever carry 80, too? Or has there always been a gap there, and for some reason Missouri chose the 80 number even though it didn't connect?
There is a KYDOT report from 1985 (https://books.google.com/books?id=Xps1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=ky+80+columbus+ferry) that states that the road connecting to the Columbus Ferry provides access to KY 58/80, but that the connecting road to the ferry was KY 58.
Contradicting that, though much less formal, is a map of "Old Columbus" (https://virginiajewell.com/2015/05/16/211990-what-was-old-columbus-like/) that shows the road as KY 80. Given that this was in a history magazine, I am not inclined to trust this.
Sorry for the thread bump...
Kentucky and Missouri tried to get MO-KY 80 into the US route system in 1960. The application explicitly says KY 80 reaches the MO state line.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AASHO_USRN_1960-06-28.pdf
They did not float a number other than US 80 (which may have been a poorly worded and clunky way of saying they wanted a US route for this highway). They also ended it at the Virginia State line. I could not locate Missouri's application to see if they floated a number.
Also have not run across any correspondence with Virginia to see if they were asked their opinion or not.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but MSR 200. W-E: ID,MT,ND,MN
Quote from: CapeCodder on September 30, 2020, 07:49:01 AM
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but MSR 200. W-E: ID,MT,ND,MN
Read the OP.
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2020, 07:58:53 AM
Quote from: CapeCodder on September 30, 2020, 07:49:01 AM
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but MSR 200. W-E: ID,MT,ND,MN
Read the OP.
Just saw it. Haven't had my coffee yet this morning.