Arkansas Highway 12

[M86]

I'm trying to figure out where this highway designation actually follows... Because the signage in Rogers and Bentonville is ridiculous... on I-540, US 71B, US 62, AR 94... It's just a complete mess.  And they bill this as "Scenic Highway 12" in random places in Rogers, but the signage at 8th & Walnut, along with the AHTD's signage would confuse anyone.

[NE2]

http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps/Counties/County%20RAS/RAS%20Maps%20PDF/mbent_ras.pdf
Any signage showing an overlap is being provided extra by AHTD, and you peons should be grateful.

[bugo]

It's a multi-sectioned state route like so many Arkansas highways. It was once signed along US 71 (Walnut, the E-W section, now US 71B) in the early '80s.  I'm not sure when or why they took the signs down.

[US71]

12 was removed from Walnut St east of 8th when 62B was decommissioned a couple years ago. I'm guessing to keep trucks off it.

Street level signage, seems to indicate it now follows AR 94 (N 8th St) and loops over to N 2nd, then back south to E Locust.

However, signs along I-540 seems to indicate 12 comes in from the west, then follows I-540 to US 62 East, though there are no such signs along 71B at 540.

The "Scenic Highway 12" signs are likely for regular motorists so they don't have to jump around.

But the overall way 12 is posted through Rogers is a clusterf*ck.

[M86]

12 was removed from Walnut St east of 8th when 62B was decommissioned a couple years ago. I'm guessing to keep trucks off it.

Street level signage, seems to indicate it now follows AR 94 (N 8th St) and loops over to N 2nd, then back south to E Locust.

However, signs along I-540 seems to indicate 12 comes in from the west, then follows I-540 to US 62 East, though there are no such signs along 71B at 540.

The "Scenic Highway 12" signs are likely for regular motorists so they don't have to jump around.

But the overall way 12 is posted through Rogers is a clusterf*ck.

Yeah, the signage in Rogers for 12 is very off. 

If AHTD would post multiplexes like a normal state, this wouldn't happen.

I talked to an engineer at AHTD a while back, and he said the reason why concurrencies are not signed in Arkansas is because he was in Dothan, Alabama, and he saw an assembly with a large amount of shields... I think numbering 5 or 6, and he didn't want to recreate that. 

I'm not sure if that person I talked to is responsible for AHTD signage.  It's ridiculous.

[US71]

12 was removed from Walnut St east of 8th when 62B was decommissioned a couple years ago. I'm guessing to keep trucks off it.

Street level signage, seems to indicate it now follows AR 94 (N 8th St) and loops over to N 2nd, then back south to E Locust.

However, signs along I-540 seems to indicate 12 comes in from the west, then follows I-540 to US 62 East, though there are no such signs along 71B at 540.

The "Scenic Highway 12" signs are likely for regular motorists so they don't have to jump around.

But the overall way 12 is posted through Rogers is a clusterf*ck.

Yeah, the signage in Rogers for 12 is very off. 

If AHTD would post multiplexes like a normal state, this wouldn't happen.

I talked to an engineer at AHTD a while back, and he said the reason why concurrencies are not signed in Arkansas is because he was in Dothan, Alabama, and he saw an assembly with a large amount of shields... I think numbering 5 or 6, and he didn't want to recreate that. 

I'm not sure if that person I talked to is responsible for AHTD signage.  It's ridiculous.

AHTD tried to explain it once that they only post the highest priority highway, which sounds like BS to me.

[cjk374]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

[bugo]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

I believe the reason those signs are there (I have pictures of it somewhere before US 63 was extended showing I-530/US 65/US 79/AR 15) is because I-530 is going to be decommissioned from the mega interchange with US 63/65/79/425/63B/65B/AR 190 to the new AR 530 interchange that is under construction and that stretch of road will only be US 63/65/79.

[cjk374]

Those are gonna be some HUGE green signs for that interchange!

[Road Hog]

Arkansas is very hit-or-miss on signing concurrencies. Even on US 67-167, sometimes only 67 is signed and a few times only 167 is used.

[M86]

Arkansas is very hit-or-miss on signing concurrencies. Even on US 67-167, sometimes only 67 is signed and a few times only 167 is used.

Arkansas is very much more on the missed side.  It drives me insane sometimes.

[US71]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

There is an overhead with I-530, US 65, and US 167 just north of where NB 167 merges with 530/65.

[cjk374]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

There is an overhead with I-530, US 65, and US 167 just north of where NB 167 merges with 530/65.

And that is the last time you see any mention of 65 or 167 until you get to the I-30/I-440 interchange. 

[US71]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

There is an overhead with I-530, US 65, and US 167 just north of where NB 167 merges with 530/65.

And that is the last time you see any mention of 65 or 167 until you get to the I-30/I-440 interchange. 

You also don't see 65 with I-40 until you get to I-440 (where the control city changes from Little Rock to Memphis), then when you get to I-30.  Then nothing on 30 until I-530.

US 63 isn't posted on I-40 at all. (nor I-55)

[cjk374]

The closest thing I have seen to a complete signage of many multiplexes is in Pine Bluff where I-530 starts at the interchange w/US 79/63/65.  They weren't "interstate sized" signs, but at least all 4 highways were listed until, IIRC, you got past the US 79 SOUTH exit.  Then you lost the US 65 signs until you get to Little Rock.

There is an overhead with I-530, US 65, and US 167 just north of where NB 167 merges with 530/65.

And that is the last time you see any mention of 65 or 167 until you get to the I-30/I-440 interchange. 

You also don't see 65 with I-40 until you get to I-440 (where the control city changes from Little Rock to Memphis), then when you get to I-30.  Then nothing on 30 until I-530.

US 63 isn't posted on I-40 at all. (nor I-55)

I always wondered how US 63 made it's was from I-55 all the way to Pine Bluff.  I don't think they even put it on the maps.

[US71]

I always wondered how US 63 made it's was from I-55 all the way to Pine Bluff.  I don't think they even put it on the maps.

Not until you get to Hazen, then it's posted.

For that matter, US 79 disappears at US 70 and doesn't show up until Memphis.

[Greybear]

US 67 and 70, at one time, were once signed along with I-30 from Exit 111 to Exit 132.  Now they have disappeared.

[US71]

US 67 and 70, at one time, were once signed along with I-30 from Exit 111 to Exit 132.  Now they have disappeared.

Arkansas is bad about this. That about sums it all up.

[M86]

Arkansas is bad about this. That about sums it all up.

What will it take to get it changed?  And it needs to be.
I know I've said this before, but I had a contact to an AHTD engineer... (can't remember specifically, but he was in Little Rock), but he mentioned Dothan, Alabama, and that he had seen signage assemblies with 6 shields, and that it would confuse motorists.  What's the point of even having highway numbers?  If you're following a certain route, and the reassurance marker disappears... AHTD needs a standard.

[formulanone]

AHTD tried to explain it once that they only post the highest priority highway, which sounds like BS to me.

I'm gonna guess that most folks probably don't follow a winding and separated state route for such a significant distance, unless they absolutely have to, or they desire to clinch it for the sake of doing so.

So while the statement makes some sense, it is truly maddening for those who just need to follow a segment here and there, such going to/from the NW Arkansas Regional Airport, because the route you intended to follow is interspersed by a US Route.

That said, the situation in Pine Bluff with two concurrent business routes is confusing - kind of like Dothan.

[bugo]

Major state highways like AR 8 have signed gaps in them.  It's ridiculous that you can follow the highway nearly all the way to the Louisiana border but that it is unsigned through Mena.

[US71]

Arkansas is bad about this. That about sums it all up.

What will it take to get it changed?  And it needs to be.
I know I've said this before, but I had a contact to an AHTD engineer... (can't remember specifically, but he was in Little Rock), but he mentioned Dothan, Alabama, and that he had seen signage assemblies with 6 shields, and that it would confuse motorists.  What's the point of even having highway numbers?  If you're following a certain route, and the reassurance marker disappears... AHTD needs a standard.

Knowing AHTD, they will say it costs too much money.

What I find silly is along AR 7 south of Deer, it's posted as South 7 and TO East 16, which is MORE signs instead of fewer.

The south of Lurton, it's South 7, TO East 16,  TO South 123.

Only thing I can figure is ask the head of AHTD and go from there.

[NE2]

What I find silly is along AR 7 south of Deer, it's posted as South 7 and TO East 16, which is MORE signs instead of fewer.

The south of Lurton, it's South 7, TO East 16,  TO South 123.

Yeah, Florida does this too sometimes. Occasionally it makes sense, but it's usually just silly.

[US71]

What I find silly is along AR 7 south of Deer, it's posted as South 7 and TO East 16, which is MORE signs instead of fewer.

The south of Lurton, it's South 7, TO East 16,  TO South 123.

Yeah, Florida does this too sometimes. Occasionally it makes sense, but it's usually just silly.

Colorado is also bad about co-signing. US 87 doesn't exist along I-25 until you cross into Wyoming.

[NE2]

Colorado is also bad about co-signing. US 87 doesn't exist along I-25 until you cross into Wyoming.

Yes, many states have issues with signing overlaps. Fewer take the loony option of signing with a TO plate.